Manning (Eli) - out for possibly a month (1 Viewer)

[[scooter]]

Nothing on the first 2 pages, so............

Giants | Manning really out for one month?Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:23:49 -0700Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) was told by team physician Dr. Russell Warren that he has a second-degree separation of his right shoulder and his estimated recovery time is three to four weeks, according to a NFL source. The source said Dr. James Andrews agreed with the results.

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

As a giants fan this is terrible news.

 

[Wadsworth]

Tom Coughlin many times in Jacksonville basically lied about player injuries to get an "advantage" over the opponent. He'd call the player questionable every week even if he knew there was no way the player could play. He did this with Fred Taylor many times and this in some way added to the "Fragile Fred" nickname. So even if Coughlin says he could play, grain of salt.

 

[Chaka]

Nothing on the first 2 pages, so............

Giants | Manning really out for one month?Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:23:49 -0700Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) was told by team physician Dr. Russell Warren that he has a second-degree separation of his right shoulder and his estimated recovery time is three to four weeks, according to a NFL source. The source said Dr. James Andrews agreed with the results.

September 12, 2007, 15:17 ESPN: Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Ala, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings

This doesn't sound like an agreement that Manning will miss a month.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I saw this coming a week ago, and I'm really sorry to see it happen.

It's a tough start to what could have been a really good season for him; maybe it still can be. Even in the loss he was looking good on the road against Dallas.

 

[[scooter]]

September 12, 2007, 15:17 ESPN: Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Ala, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings

This doesn't sound like an agreement that Manning will miss a month.

There are also conflicting reports about whether Manning participated in the Giants' practice today:

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning took some snaps, made a few handoffs and tossed lightly to test his bruised right shoulder on Wednesday.

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EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker) -- New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Wednesday that he is encouraged by the progress that quarterback Eli Manning was making from a shoulder injury.

Manning did not practice Wednesday. However, Coughlin remained optimistic that his starting quarterback would be able to play Sunday against the Green Bay Packers.

link

 

[cstu]

Nothing on the first 2 pages, so............

Giants | Manning really out for one month?Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:23:49 -0700Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) was told by team physician Dr. Russell Warren that he has a second-degree separation of his right shoulder and his estimated recovery time is three to four weeks, according to a NFL source. The source said Dr. James Andrews agreed with the results.

September 12, 2007, 15:17 ESPN: Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Ala, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings

This doesn't sound like an agreement that Manning will miss a month.

"week-to-week" can easily turn into 4 weeks so I don't see them as incongruent.

 

[Chaka]

September 12, 2007, 15:17 ESPN: Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Ala, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings

This doesn't sound like an agreement that Manning will miss a month.

There are also conflicting reports about whether Manning participated in the Giants' practice today:

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning took some snaps, made a few handoffs and tossed lightly to test his bruised right shoulder on Wednesday.

link

EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker) -- New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Wednesday that he is encouraged by the progress that quarterback Eli Manning was making from a shoulder injury.

Manning did not practice Wednesday. However, Coughlin remained optimistic that his starting quarterback would be able to play Sunday against the Green Bay Packers.

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Yup, there sure are. So why only post the one item speculating about Manning's shoulder? Particularly if the one you posted doesn't gel with all the data.I think he is week-to-week and there is no concrete evidence that indicates otherwise.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Tom Coughlin many times in Jacksonville basically lied about player injuries to get an "advantage" over the opponent. He'd call the player questionable every week even if he knew there was no way the player could play. He did this with Fred Taylor many times and this in some way added to the "Fragile Fred" nickname. So even if Coughlin says he could play, grain of salt.

You do know that this is an obvious ployto motivate Tatum Bell.

 

[Wadsworth]

Tom Coughlin many times in Jacksonville basically lied about player injuries to get an "advantage" over the opponent. He'd call the player questionable every week even if he knew there was no way the player could play. He did this with Fred Taylor many times and this in some way added to the "Fragile Fred" nickname. So even if Coughlin says he could play, grain of salt.

You do know that this is an obvious ployto motivate Tatum Bell.

"Fans grew especially frustrated with Taylor in 2001 after his season ended in week 2 with a torn groin muscle. Despite knowing that Taylor's season was over, former Jaguars coach Tom Coughlin listed him on the injury report as "questionable" every game for the remainder of the season, adding credence in the minds of fans to their doubts about Taylor's toughness."LINK

 

[Joe Bryant]

Nothing on the first 2 pages, so............

Giants | Manning really out for one month?

Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:23:49 -0700

Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) was told by team physician Dr. Russell Warren that he has a second-degree separation of his right shoulder and his estimated recovery time is three to four weeks, according to a NFL source. The source said Dr. James Andrews agreed with the results.

Interesting. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ay.html?print=1From Vacchiano yesterday.

Second opinion says Eli Manning can play with pain

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BY RALPH VACCHIANO

DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

A second opinion on Eli Manning's shoulder confirmed the initial diagnosis: If he can take the pain, he can play.

Dr. James Andrews, the noted orthopedic surgeon from Birmingham, Ala., concurred with the Giants' doctors yesterday that the quarterback has nothing more than a sprained AC joint in his right shoulder. He reviewed Manning's MRI results yesterday and confirmed no structural damage.

All the doctors seem to agree that Manning will not risk further damage by playing, even as early as this Sunday against the Packers. The only remaining issues are how much it hurts and how much pain he can take.

And if Manning's performance Sunday night in Dallas after he injured his shoulder is any indication, his pain tolerance is high. Manning said he hurt the shoulder on a failed two-point conversion with 7:20 left in the Giants' 45-35 loss when he was thrown to the ground by Cowboys rookie linebacker Anthony Spencer.

Two plays later, Giants safety Gibril Wilson intercepted a pass, and Manning trotted right back on the field. Despite being in obvious pain, Manning completed four straight passes for 20 yards, including a 10-yard touchdown to Plaxico Burress.

"He's tough, man," said backup quarterback Jared Lorenzen, who would start if Manning can't play against Green Bay. "After what he did the other day, right after we got that turnover he went right back in and threw a touchdown? That's pretty impressive."

Of course, that touchdown was Manning's final pass of the game and he admitted his shoulder pain got worse as the night went on. It was still tight Monday morning, and he was scheduled to be at the stadium for several treatment sessions yesterday in the hopes that he might be able to practice today.

Manning has said he will try to practice or at least do some throwing, although according to various team sources, the Giants are likely to keep him on a tight leash. Their plan, which could change depending on how he feels this morning, is to keep him to throwing on the side today and tomorrow while Lorenzen takes all the first-team reps. Then on Friday, if Manning is feeling OK, he'll practice.

The Giants remain hopeful that Manning will play on Sunday. If he can't, they are confident that his absence will be a short one and that he'll be ready to face the Redskins in a road game the following week.

Either way, they are not likely to clear up Manning's status until just before Sunday's game.

"He'll probably be out there and play every snap on Sunday just like everything is hunky-dory," Lorenzen said. "He said he feels fine. It's sore, obviously, but it's just a sprain. That's a very good thing with what it could have been. That's a very, very good thing."

Losing Manning would obviously be a huge blow to the Giants' chances. He followed up an outstanding preseason (35-for-51, 345 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions) with an even better opening night, when he completed 28 of 41 passes against the Cowboys for 312 yards, four touchdowns and one interception.

And the one interception was hardly his fault since his receiver, Burress, slipped.

"We felt in rhythm," Manning said. "It seems like we were making good calls. The offensive line did a terrific job. So it was good. We just have to keep that rhythm and that level of play."

Of course, the only way to keep that rhythm is to keep their starting quarterback in the lineup. The Giants will have a better idea if they can do that after practice today.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He'll miss 2 weeks tops.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Tom Coughlin many times in Jacksonville basically lied about player injuries to get an "advantage" over the opponent. He'd call the player questionable every week even if he knew there was no way the player could play. He did this with Fred Taylor many times and this in some way added to the "Fragile Fred" nickname. So even if Coughlin says he could play, grain of salt.

I can't speak for what Coughlin did in Jacksonville. However I can tell you that in 2005 as coach of the Giants, Coughlin only listed 7 offensive fantasy players (QB, RB, WR, TE, PK) on the injury list all season, 4 Probable and 3 Questionable. All 7 of those players ended up playing, making the Giants the only team in the league in which every offensive fantasy position player who was listed on the injury report ended up playing. So I'm not sure if 2005 was an anomaly or if Coughlin changed his tactics in New York.

 

[[scooter]]

So why only post the one item speculating about Manning's shoulder? Particularly if the one you posted doesn't gel with all the data.

Because no one had posted it yet and I thought it deserved mentioning.

 

[The Duff Man]

If I am the Giants I am dragging this out as long as possible. There is a big difference between preparing for Manning and preparing for Hefty.

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

If I am the Giants I am dragging this out as long as possible. There is a big difference between preparing for Manning and preparing for Hefty.

Is there?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Pretty good article on Lorenzen's strength's/weaknesses

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=An2k...n&type=lgns

 

[Wadsworth]

Tom Coughlin many times in Jacksonville basically lied about player injuries to get an "advantage" over the opponent. He'd call the player questionable every week even if he knew there was no way the player could play. He did this with Fred Taylor many times and this in some way added to the "Fragile Fred" nickname. So even if Coughlin says he could play, grain of salt.

I can't speak for what Coughlin did in Jacksonville. However I can tell you that in 2005 as coach of the Giants, Coughlin only listed 7 offensive fantasy players (QB, RB, WR, TE, PK) on the injury list all season, 4 Probable and 3 Questionable. All 7 of those players ended up playing, making the Giants the only team in the league in which every offensive fantasy position player who was listed on the injury report ended up playing. So I'm not sure if 2005 was an anomaly or if Coughlin changed his tactics in New York.

Well that's not really the same situation if they all played. What I was talking about that he did in Jacksonville envolved players that were too injured to play. He'd say things to the press and leak information that they might play so the other team had to spend time preparing for that player when there was no way the guy was going to play. Later is was discovered that Fred Taylor had a torn groin muscle, you don't come back from that in a few weeks. But Tom had called it a pull or a strain all season and weekly said he might start. Anyone who owned Fred in fantasy that season can tell you, it was a nightmare.

 

[noneother]

I saw this coming a week ago, and I'm really sorry to see it happen.

It's a tough start to what could have been a really good season for him; maybe it still can be. Even in the loss he was looking good on the road against Dallas.

Awesome. Care to share tomorrow's Big Game numbers with us?

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

September 13, 2007, 15:40

Giants :: QB

Giants QB Manning Works On The Side Again

Mike Garafolo, Newark Star-Ledger - [Full Article]

New York Giants QB Eli Manning did not practice today, but threw on the side to test his injured shoulder. It's unclear at this point if he'll practice tomorrow. If he doesn't and plays on Sunday, he will have had no prep time for the Packers. For his part, Manning says he would be ready. "I know the offense, I know what we're doing. I do through the mental reps. I'll definitely be ready to play," Manning said, adding that he feels better than he did on Monday and Tuesday. He qualified that he still has "work to do" to get physically ready.

http://blog.nj.com/ledgergiants/2007/09/ma...d_straight.html

 

[GDogg]

September 12, 2007, 15:17 ESPN: Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic specialist in Birmingham, Ala, studied an MRI of Manning's shoulder and informed the team that he believed Manning was "week-to-week" based on his findings

This doesn't sound like an agreement that Manning will miss a month.

There are also conflicting reports about whether Manning participated in the Giants' practice today:

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -- New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning took some snaps, made a few handoffs and tossed lightly to test his bruised right shoulder on Wednesday.

link

EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker) -- New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Wednesday that he is encouraged by the progress that quarterback Eli Manning was making from a shoulder injury.

Manning did not practice Wednesday. However, Coughlin remained optimistic that his starting quarterback would be able to play Sunday against the Green Bay Packers.

link

Those two reports aren't conflicting. Taking a few snaps, making a few handoffs, and tossing lightly on the side is not practicing.

 

[Gr00vus]

in 2005 as coach of the Giants, Coughlin only listed 7 offensive fantasy players (QB, RB, WR, TE, PK) on the injury list all season, 4 Probable and 3 Questionable. All 7 of those players ended up playing...

What he did in Jacksonville envolved players that were too injured to play. He'd say things to the press and leak information that they might play so the other team had to spend time preparing for that player when there was no way the guy was going to play.

It seems to me like they're variations on the same theme. He's manipulating the injury report to cloud the information available to his competition. In one case making players seem like they wouldn't play when they actually did, in another making it seem like a player might play when he actually couldn't.

 

[thecardiackid]

Paraphrased quote from Amani Toomer on NFLN's Point After:

RE: JLo potentially replacing Eli this week

"well as you know, he's a young, hungry player"

also, didn't have any G2 about Eli's status for the week... sorry.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

in 2005 as coach of the Giants, Coughlin only listed 7 offensive fantasy players (QB, RB, WR, TE, PK) on the injury list all season, 4 Probable and 3 Questionable. All 7 of those players ended up playing...

What he did in Jacksonville envolved players that were too injured to play. He'd say things to the press and leak information that they might play so the other team had to spend time preparing for that player when there was no way the guy was going to play.

It seems to me like they're variations on the same theme. He's manipulating the injury report to cloud the information available to his competition. In one case making players seem like they wouldn't play when they actually did, in another making it seem like a player might play when he actually couldn't.

Excellent point. I was more interested in how few players were listed, 7 all season. I figured it was because he was a hard ###.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Giants | Manning soft tosses during practice Thursday

Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:24:46 -0700

New York Giants QB Eli Manning (shoulder) threw the ball softly in pads during practice Thursday, Sept. 13. Manning said he knows how his body feels and what he can do physically. Manning will try to convince the coaches to play him Week 2, but he will probably be inactive or be kept as a backup during the game.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

While the rest of the media is focusing on the semantics of Eli Manning's injury, I'm going to put this one in terms that Vince Lombardi would have loved: The only thing that counts is what Manning can do on the field. He likely did separate his shoulder, but if the associated damage was minor or doesn't affect his play, does anyone really care besides Manning himself? An MRI showed some inflammation, but no evidence of significant structural damage, including a thumbs-up from Dr. James Andrews (who only saw the film, not Manning himself.) Now, an MRI is not going to show everything and that's the concern. Manning had something happen in his shoulder and if there's tearing or fraying of the labrum or ligaments that were sprained, that could show up down the line. Labrum injuries aren't as serious for QBs as they are for pitchers, as Drew Brees has shown over the past couple of seasons. I'm not ready to say that Manning is "healthy," something that's on a broad continuum anyway, but it looks as if he'll be able to play quickly and effectively. Watch for him practicing, and once he gets back on the field, watch to see that his throwing mechanics stay consistent. If the shoulder is hurting, he'll likely drop down a bit.

 

[pantherclub]

On a totally seperate note: This Dr James Andrews must live in a house made of gold. It seems every injury in the NFL seems tied to him. All the biggest stars go to him. Must be a gazillionaire.

 

[maxwell1295]

All I know is Eli had better watch his back with J-Lo around. If he wants your job, he will go righ through you to get it!

He's done it before

 

[BustedKnuckles]

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) - New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning took some snaps, made a few handoffs and tossed lightly to test his bruised right shoulder on Wednesday.

Manning did not practice and coach Tom Coughlin gave no indication whether he would play Sunday against the Green Bay Packers.

"I am encouraged by his progress," Coughlin said. "He is less sore than he was the day before, that kind of thing. The swelling is way down. So I'm encouraged by that."

Manning was not available for comment in the locker room after practice.

Backup QB Jared Lorenzen took snaps with the first team, and would make his first career start Sunday if Manning can't play.

"If I were a betting man I would say he would play," Lorenzen said of Manning, who returned and threw a touchdown pass after he was hurt in the fourth quarter of Sunday's 45-35 loss to Dallas. "He's a tough guy. He showed a lot of grit out there last week."

Manning has started the last 42 regular season and playoff games for New York. Coughlin said Manning's status is day to day.

"We'll take everything into consideration, realize that he wants to play and is extremely competitive, and at the right time, we'll make the proper call," Coughlin said.

Coughlin refused to set a deadline for Manning, who completed 28 of 41 passes for 312 yards and four touchdowns in last week's loss.

"We'll give him every opportunity," Coughlin said.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I think he'll be okay at some point this season but there's no way I'll be starting Eli this weekend. VY gets the call this weekend.

Of course, it's not as though Coughlin has a history of making a serious injury seem like no big deal...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The question about quarterback Eli Manning's health and ability to play this Sunday in the home opener against Green Bay has raised, obviously, many questions.

Are the Giants loathe to sit him on the bench because they are insecure about their backup situation (Jared Lorenzen will purportedly start, and Anthony Wright is the third-stringer)?

Are they managing news so as not to give the Packers a firm idea as to which quarterback they might actually see taking snaps?

Is Manning's shoulder really hurt? Is it separated? Is it dislocated? Or is it, as the team insists, merely a contusion (a bruise) on the top of the right shoulder at the A/C joint?

The bottom line is that the team is upset with the ESPN network, as well as a few others, for coming out with unsupported news Monday afternoon, after the team's 45-35 loss to Dallas on Sunday night, that Manning was going to miss four to six weeks and, possibly, the entire season.

Other employees of major news outlets and network television stations confirm that the most annoying aspect of their jobs these days is, as one man put it, "to continue to disprove the ESPN allegations. It makes our day seem longer and a lot more annoying."

It is a bitter business, continuing to vie for the breaking story, and those outlets and individuals with integrity are offended by the rush to the headlines style of reporting utilized by others.

In truth, no head coach is going to come out on Monday or Tuesday or even later in the week with definitive news about his quarterback. That falls under the heading of unnecessary information, and gives the next-game opponent a huge advantage.

If the Packers knew for certain that it wasn't going to be Manning (who had a monster game vs. the Cowboys) but Lorenzen, who has yet to start an NFL game, they would send a thank-you note to head coach Tom Coughlin.

So they're getting nothing in the way of information, just innuendo and possibilities. Manning did work out — well, sort of — with the team on Wednesday. "He did some soft tossing on the sidelines," said Coughlin. "He was with his group. But he did not take any snaps. I am encouraged by his progress."

Encouraged by his progress? "He is less sore than he was the day before," Coughlin said, "that kind of thing. The swelling is way down. So I am encouraged by that. Whether or not he practices, takes some snaps, depends on how he feels. The same kind of progress each day, it ends up becoming a day-to-day thing. The doctors will come to me, tell me how he feels. Then we talk it over, and then we'll see what his status will be."

Suffice to say that Coughlin didn't exactly sound like a man who is going to have to do without his star quarterback for any appreciable time. "Well, he threw a touchdown pass the other night after he was injured," he noted. "He reminded me of that when he came to the sideline — when I held him (out) the next time. We will take everything into consideration, realizing that he wants to play and that he is extremely competitive. At the proper time, we'll make the right call."

With or without the help of ESPN, one assumes.

 

[Koya]

This is the year Eli becomes a man. Not sure if he will play this week or not - but he will play this year with pain, play focused (mostly) and come of age.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I saw this coming a week ago, and I'm really sorry to see it happen.

It's a tough start to what could have been a really good season for him; maybe it still can be. Even in the loss he was looking good on the road against Dallas.

Awesome. Care to share tomorrow's Big Game numbers with us?

If the dreams worked that way I'd definitely get those numbers and treat everyone on this board to lifetime FBG subscriptions. But it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't happen very often at all, and almost never with something trivial like fantasy football. But when it does happen, it's *almost* always correct. Sometimes I have trouble remembering everything, of course.To be fair, I did share the information with my FBG brethren. It's on page one of "Call Your Shot" from Sept. 5.

"E. Manning will get injured Sunday night and be out for a few weeks at least. I'm seeing a shoulder or something."

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...339317&st=0

I would have been very happy to have been wrong. I think he was going to make great strides, and maybe he still will. I don't even own Manning in any leagues, nor was I playing him in any. That didn't help me at all. But if I could tap into some winning numbers, I'd happily lose all my leagues and congratulate the champion(s).

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

All I know is Eli had better watch his back with J-Lo around. If he wants your job, he will go righ through you to get it!

He's done it before

 

[Death Breath]

Eli and Osi return to practice at least the part open to reporters