Manny / Hermida / Jason Bay trade (1 Viewer)

[Sammy3469]

Deal isn't going down. I just got a phone call.

Just posturing, the deal is going down, who's bluff gets called is the only question here.They already got Manny to sign off on it, there is absolutely no way he is back in Boston.

You're wrong. I know people. There's other things going on I don't have the liberty of discussing. May post an update in my blog later.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Manny's stats against the Yankees and in the post season are going to be tough to replace.

Yankee fans have taken to the streets - cars going up and down the street with horns honking here in NY. Feels like New Years Eve.

While somewhat true - Listening to talk radio at lunch it sounded like Mets fans were the loudest and worrying the most.....

Funny how the hosts and Mets fans seem to think Manny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bay

Not even a question. I'm sure they know Bay a lot more than Sox or Yankee fans.

IMO throw all the stats out - Manny is INSANE at crunch time. In many people's opinion the most INSANE clutch hitter ever.

For once we agree on something.

I've seen him bash the Yankees silly over the years - I do not want that happening to my Mets.

Edit to add because it needs to be said again - Bay ain't no Manny - not even close - i don't care how you compare their numbers this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...p;type=batting3Look at the close/late stats.

They suck.

It hasn't been Close OR Late yet.

Talk to me in October.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtmlHe's a career .269/.376/.513 hitter in the postseason.

In the regular season, he's .312/.409./.590.

Care to take another shot at it?

 

[Finless]

Can the numbers nerds relax for a few minutes This deal is off the shelf. Manny is being a clown.

 

[Kraft...]

Can the numbers nerds relax for a few minutes This deal is off the shelf. Manny is being a clown.

Manny wouldn't waiv the no trade huh?

 

[Reaper]

Manny's stats against the Yankees and in the post season are going to be tough to replace.

Yankee fans have taken to the streets - cars going up and down the street with horns honking here in NY. Feels like New Years Eve.

While somewhat true - Listening to talk radio at lunch it sounded like Mets fans were the loudest and worrying the most.....

Funny how the hosts and Mets fans seem to think Manny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bay

Not even a question. I'm sure they know Bay a lot more than Sox or Yankee fans.

IMO throw all the stats out - Manny is INSANE at crunch time. In many people's opinion the most INSANE clutch hitter ever.

For once we agree on something.

I've seen him bash the Yankees silly over the years - I do not want that happening to my Mets.

Edit to add because it needs to be said again - Bay ain't no Manny - not even close - i don't care how you compare their numbers this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...p;type=batting3Look at the close/late stats.

They suck.

It hasn't been Close OR Late yet.

Talk to me in October.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtmlHe's a career .269/.376/.513 hitter in the postseason.

In the regular season, he's .312/.409./.590.

Care to take another shot at it?

Can you whip me up the CLOSE/LATE stats for the postseason Vs the one's you posted here?

How about Close/Late postseason stats Vs Yankees Vs anyone else?

I could be wrong here.. Yay Jason Bay!!!!!

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Ramirez also denied that he had approved a trade to Florida

If this didn't happen, I will believe the trade is dead. My whole thesis was based on this one fact.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Manny's stats against the Yankees and in the post season are going to be tough to replace.

Yankee fans have taken to the streets - cars going up and down the street with horns honking here in NY. Feels like New Years Eve.

While somewhat true - Listening to talk radio at lunch it sounded like Mets fans were the loudest and worrying the most.....

Funny how the hosts and Mets fans seem to think Manny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bay

Not even a question. I'm sure they know Bay a lot more than Sox or Yankee fans.

IMO throw all the stats out - Manny is INSANE at crunch time. In many people's opinion the most INSANE clutch hitter ever.

For once we agree on something.

I've seen him bash the Yankees silly over the years - I do not want that happening to my Mets.

Edit to add because it needs to be said again - Bay ain't no Manny - not even close - i don't care how you compare their numbers this year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...p;type=batting3Look at the close/late stats.

They suck.

It hasn't been Close OR Late yet.

Talk to me in October.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramirma02.shtmlHe's a career .269/.376/.513 hitter in the postseason.

In the regular season, he's .312/.409./.590.

Care to take another shot at it?

Can you whip me up the CLOSE/LATE stats for the postseason Vs the one's you posted here?

How about Close/Late postseason stats Vs Yankees Vs anyone else?

Can't drill down that far anywhere that I can see.I think for each, it would only be a handful of at-bats, so they'd be severely subject to sample-size error, either way.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

From the Globe's Gordon Edes (2:19 p.m.): Less than 2 hours before the trading deadline, the Red Sox were still trying to make this 3-way deal with the Pirates and Marlins work, but as one source said, "They're not going to be stupid about it." At the moment, the deal would require the Red Sox to include prospects as well as Manny Ramirez and the $7 million remaining on his 2008 salary, a price the Sox appear unwilling tto pay at this time. Another industry source said within the last 10 minutes that he thinks talks will go down to the 4 p.m. deadline.

Translation- Trade is not dead. All talks about the trade being dead is posturing. The Red Sox are intent on moving this guy.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

From Jon Heyman at SI.com (2:26 p.m.): The Dodgers have re-entered the picture in the Manny Ramirez Sweepstakes. A deal with the Marlins isn't dead yet, but there is a chance Ramirez could wind up in Los Angeles. The embattled superstar has approved a trade to any team, which is contingent upon the club that would receive the Boston slugger waiving the two $20 million club options for the 2009 and '10 seasons, SI.com has learned. One major hurdle has been cleared by Ramirez accepting the deal ahead of time, according to people familiar with the negotiations.

The bolded part is the sticking point for me. They already got him to okay a move, he is not coming back. It will happen.

 

[Alias]

SoSH has reached capacity, things are heating up...

 

[Alias]

FBG could use some mods like this:

Guys, if I see you post hysterical, finger vomit in this thread, you will lose the ability to post for the rest of the day.I'm tried of cleaning up horse#### just people people can't use their ####### brains to think.

 

[Alias]

Yet another official with one of these three teams says the Manny-Bay deal is dead. In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren't too happy with either of them.

 

[Alias]

T-minus-1-hour

 

[Mr. Yuk]

Manny's wife

1-10?

 

[Tom Servo]

Manny to LA?

Just because that three-way deal between the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates has reportedly died doesn't mean Manny Ramirez can't still switch homes with the deadline still more than an hour from expiring.

The Boston Globe and SI.com have both reported that the Red Sox are now talking to the Dodgers about Ramirez, where he could be reunited with former teammates Derek Lowe and Nomar Garciaparra. The Red Sox like outfielder Matt Kemp but the Dodgers, according to the SI.com report, would prefer to deal Andre Ethier. Ramirez's 10-5 rights don't seem to be any kind of issue.

From SI.com: "Ramirez has approved a trade to go to Florida, Philadelphia, Los Angels or anywhere else, SI.com has learned."

The 23-year-old Kemp is hitting .295 with 12 homers and 57 RBIs. The Dodgers have been very reluctant to include him in any deal in the past. Ethier is 26, and is hitting .271 with 11 homers and 46 RBIs. The 36-year-old Ramirez, having a par year by his standards, is hitting .299 with 20 homers and 68 RBIs.

Do stay tuned.

Ian Browne

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 2:43 PM

 

[Tom Servo]

From the MLB trade blog:

With the three-way deal between the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins falling through, an MLB.com source says that the Rays are going to acquire right-handed hitting outfielder Jason Bay for Minor League prospects including shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann. The Rays have not confirmed the deal.

--Bill Chastain

Posted on July 31, 2008 at 2:57 PM

 

[Alias]

Rosenthal saying that the Bay-Manny trade talks are back on.

 

[Kraft...]

saying on radio that Gordon Edes is reporting that "A Manny deal has gone down", no details yet though

Saying deal is to Dodgers, Pirates might still be involved. . .

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I just heard Dodgers, also( on WFAN); source John Heyman. He'll be on in a few minutes.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Matt Kemp would be a nice haul for the Pirates.

 

[blackjack23]

If the Sox got Kemp instead of Bay then they got a player with better potential down the road but thats even worse for them this year. In other words, better long term move than Bay worse short term.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Deal isn't going down. I just got a phone call.

Just posturing, the deal is going down, who's bluff gets called is the only question here.They already got Manny to sign off on it, there is absolutely no way he is back in Boston.

You're wrong. I know people. There's other things going on I don't have the liberty of discussing. May post an update in my blog later.

Just don't quit your day job, your shtick is no good.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Bay to Boston

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/base...ex.html?eref=T1

 

[gump]

Bay to Boston

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/base...ex.html?eref=T1

#### it. A Rocco comeback is a better story anyway.

 

[Alias]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/

 

[guru_007]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/

new thread about the new trade

 

[Finless]

Deal isn't going down. I just got a phone call.

Just posturing, the deal is going down, who's bluff gets called is the only question here.They already got Manny to sign off on it, there is absolutely no way he is back in Boston.

You're wrong. I know people. There's other things going on I don't have the liberty of discussing. May post an update in my blog later.

Just don't quit your day job, your shtick is no good.

Shtick?Where's Manny?

 

[Raider Nation]

Manny's stats against the Yankees and in the post season are going to be tough to replace.Yankee fans have taken to the streets - cars going up and down the street with horns honking here in NY. Feels like New Years Eve.

That team is gonna have a WHOLE different feel without Manny in the lineup.I'm sure Bay will be a nice player for Boston. He won't strike fear into anyone at the plate the way MR did.

Lot of humble pie to be dished out in this thread. I'll step up and have my serving now. Bay is a straight killa.