Mario Manningham.......... (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

First I will say that I think Manningham is still in line for a quality year even with the slow start.

I would suggest that the Giants would be best served to use Manningham similar to how Steven Smith was used prior to his injury last year. But even if they don't, Manningham is still the 2nd best WR on that team by quite a bit. And the 2nd WR in that offense is still extremely valuable.

Steven Smith lined up as the starter opposite Nicks last year, but in 3 wr sets Smith was moved into the slot as he is one of the best slot WR's in the game.

I know Manningham and Smith are different players but Manningham in the slot > Cruz in the slot. Manningham outside > Cruz outside. Therefore they should use him like they did Smith a year ago. Manningham does not run nearly the crisp and clean routes like Smith did and he is not as sure handed, but he is an upgrade to Cruz in that role.

The problem with the Giants offense right now is the lack of consistency out of the slot and TE stuff. Losing Boss and Smith in the off season hurt a lot and not having a full training camp to find that rhythm and schemes with their personal has left them struggling through the first few weeks. Eli is a very good QB but he does struggle with inconsistencies and that won't change.

I think they will find a way to make it work as I actually think Gilbride is a pretty good play caller and finds ways to put his players in positions that they will succeed.

Don't jump off the Manningham bandwagon yet. I watch every Giants game and was extemely high on Steven Smith prior to his breakout season in 2009 and took a lot of flack for suggesting how good he actually was.

Remember Manningham is 25 and still is learning his position and he has a lot of upside. Run away at your own risk.

 

[hooter311]

I don't understand the logic in selling low or dropping this guy. He is still a top 20 WR going forward. He is one bad drop away from haing 8 receptions from having 165 yards and a TD in 6 quarters of football.

 

[netnalp]

People are being too quick to blame the troubles of the passing game all on Eli. He gets some of the blame for sure, but the line isn't playing as a cohesive unit. According to PFF LT Beatty has struggled, Diehl has surprisingly been worse at LG than he was at LT. Baas, while making blocks, has had issues with blocking the wrong guy. And with the rest of the linemen not playing well, they haven't been quick to change who they block when Baas takes on the wrong defender. As the line gets more playing time together, the expectation is that they will become better as a whole.

 

[FF Ninja]

Bad hands and bad routes do not a good slot receiver make.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Inspiration for my "Don't give up on DHB" thread, coming soon.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Inspiration for my "Don't give up on DHB" thread, coming soon.

Haha DHB is one player that has showed me so little that it would be tough to convince me that he will be anything more than a run as fast as you can down the field type player and hope to stretch the defense some every once and a while.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

 

[Sabertooth]

First I will say that I think Manningham is still in line for a quality year even with the slow start.



I would suggest that the Giants would be best served to use Manningham similar to how Steven Smith was used prior to his injury last year. But even if they don't, Manningham is still the 2nd best WR on that team by quite a bit. And the 2nd WR in that offense is still extremely valuable.

Steven Smith lined up as the starter opposite Nicks last year, but in 3 wr sets Smith was moved into the slot as he is one of the best slot WR's in the game.

I know Manningham and Smith are different players but Manningham in the slot > Cruz in the slot. Manningham outside > Cruz outside. Therefore they should use him like they did Smith a year ago. Manningham does not run nearly the crisp and clean routes like Smith did and he is not as sure handed, but he is an upgrade to Cruz in that role.

The problem with the Giants offense right now is the lack of consistency out of the slot and TE stuff. Losing Boss and Smith in the off season hurt a lot and not having a full training camp to find that rhythm and schemes with their personal has left them struggling through the first few weeks. Eli is a very good QB but he does struggle with inconsistencies and that won't change.

I think they will find a way to make it work as I actually think Gilbride is a pretty good play caller and finds ways to put his players in positions that they will succeed.

Don't jump off the Manningham bandwagon yet. I watch every Giants game and was extemely high on Steven Smith prior to his breakout season in 2009 and took a lot of flack for suggesting how good he actually was.

Remember Manningham is 25 and still is learning his position and he has a lot of upside. Run away at your own risk.

Just email this to coughlin@giants.com and I'm sure they'll agree.

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

Well, it happened. It's right there on tape. Not sure what to tell you about that.

 

[travdogg]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

A poor man's Desean Jackson sounds about right.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

A poor man's Desean Jackson sounds about right.

Thought you knew...DeSean Jackson is a poor man's DeSean Jackson. I'd bet he and Manningham finish within 8 spots of each other this year.

 

[Lester Long]

I have never been real impressed with Manningham all the way back to his Michigan days. he has horrible hands and his route running is suspect. but he does find a way to get open along the outside. I personally do not think he is much better ( if at all ) than Cruz.

 

[Lester Long]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

A poor man's Desean Jackson sounds about right.

That is a insult to Jackson IMO.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

A poor man's Desean Jackson sounds about right.

Thought you knew...DeSean Jackson is a poor man's DeSean Jackson. I'd bet he and Manningham finish within 8 spots of each other this year.

WHich guy do you have higher?

 

[todisco1]

I have never been real impressed with Manningham all the way back to his Michigan days. he has horrible hands and his route running is suspect. but he does find a way to get open along the outside. I personally do not think he is much better ( if at all ) than Cruz.

He is MUCH better than Cruz.... but that's just right now. Cruz is still developing, while Manningham may be leveling out. Manningham can't be used like Steve Smith because he's nothing like Steve Smith. He doesn't have the precise route-running skills or the great hands Smith displayed. The Giants sorely miss Smith, though I do think Manningham will have a decent year stat-wise.

 

[todisco1]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

Well, it happened. It's right there on tape. Not sure what to tell you about that.

Does this mean Jamaal Charles gave himself a torn ACL?

 

[FantasyTrader]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

A poor man's Desean Jackson sounds about right.

Thought you knew...DeSean Jackson is a poor man's DeSean Jackson. I'd bet he and Manningham finish within 8 spots of each other this year.

WHich guy do you have higher?

DeSean.

 

[Lester Long]

I have never been real impressed with Manningham all the way back to his Michigan days. he has horrible hands and his route running is suspect. but he does find a way to get open along the outside. I personally do not think he is much better ( if at all ) than Cruz.

He is MUCH better than Cruz.... but that's just right now. Cruz is still developing, while Manningham may be leveling out. Manningham can't be used like Steve Smith because he's nothing like Steve Smith. He doesn't have the precise route-running skills or the great hands Smith displayed. The Giants sorely miss Smith, though I do think Manningham will have a decent year stat-wise.

Statwise I also think he has a solid year. but that is more because of Manning and how he loves throwing to his WR's than it will be his talent.

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

Well, it happened. It's right there on tape. Not sure what to tell you about that.

Does this mean Jamaal Charles gave himself a torn ACL?

No.

 

[todisco1]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

Well, it happened. It's right there on tape. Not sure what to tell you about that.

Does this mean Jamaal Charles gave himself a torn ACL?

No.

Lol. I think you're pretty cuckoo with this "gave himself a concussion" stuff, but that's just me.

 

[The Doctor]

bad hands. already concussed. no thanks

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

Well, it happened. It's right there on tape. Not sure what to tell you about that.

Does this mean Jamaal Charles gave himself a torn ACL?

No.

Lol. I think you're pretty cuckoo with this "gave himself a concussion" stuff, but that's just me.

Did you actually watch the play? That is what happened. He flubbed the catch, lost his balance and concussed himself while hauling in the ball. Whether or not it is indicative of his value is a different discussion. However he most certainly concussed himself on that play.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

I agree. I think the whole angle of "The freaking guy gave himself a concussion trying to catch a football" is just so funny/sad/absurd that now Manningham is kinda being viewed as a bumbling idiot.

Which may be true but it doesn't make him any less talented with any less opportunity. He's still in one of most #2 WR friendly offenses in the entire league. He's still a bubble top 20 candidate in my mind.

Well, it happened. It's right there on tape. Not sure what to tell you about that.

Does this mean Jamaal Charles gave himself a torn ACL?

No.

Lol. I think you're pretty cuckoo with this "gave himself a concussion" stuff, but that's just me.

Did you actually watch the play? That is what happened. He flubbed the catch, lost his balance and concussed himself while hauling in the ball. Whether or not it is indicative of his value is a different discussion. However he most certainly concussed himself on that play.

Well, I guess concussing yourself is better than shooting yourslef in the leg....Count me in as someone who thinks Manningham retains his value through the year. Yes, this was a sloppy "catch" and the Giants in general were off to a slow start. But Fantast Starter naile this -- I don't think Manningham's talent -- clearly displayed over the last seasons -- has gotten any worse, and his opportunity may have even gotten better given that the Giants lost Boss and Smith.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Manningham was good enough to help push Steve Smith out of town injury or not so I would assume they are going to give him every pop to prove himself. He has a great WR lined up across from him and despite Cruz benefitting from poor tackling last week I don't think Cruz will be the WR2, and even if he was Manningham destroyed teams form the slot last year.

MM owners need to breathe and not listen to Cruz WW owners who think they just hit the lotto. Let it play out, things should settle down a bit. Giants are 2-1 despite some bad football to this point so I don't see major wholesale changes coming on what they wanted to do preseason/off season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He's still in FBG's top25 in the 250 going forward.

 

[Casting Couch]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Manningham blew up for 140 yards and 2 TD's against the Cards this week. However, I could also see a 3-40 stat line. At the end of the year I see a top-20ish WR, but I'm not expecting consistency at all.

A poor man's Desean Jackson sounds about right.

That is a insult to Jackson IMO.

A homeless, destitute, lying in the gutter face first DeSean Jackson ?

 

[Dez]

He better get it going is all I have to say I traded Wes Welker in the offseason for this guy and that is making me pretty

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Manningham was good enough to help push Steve Smith out of town injury or not so I would assume they are going to give him every pop to prove himself. He has a great WR lined up across from him and despite Cruz benefitting from poor tackling last week I don't think Cruz will be the WR2, and even if he was Manningham destroyed teams form the slot last year.MM owners need to breathe and not listen to Cruz WW owners who think they just hit the lotto. Let it play out, things should settle down a bit. Giants are 2-1 despite some bad football to this point so I don't see major wholesale changes coming on what they wanted to do preseason/off season.

 

[todisco1]

Manningham was good enough to help push Steve Smith out of town injury or not so I would assume they are going to give him every pop to prove himself. He has a great WR lined up across from him and despite Cruz benefitting from poor tackling last week I don't think Cruz will be the WR2, and even if he was Manningham destroyed teams form the slot last year.MM owners need to breathe and not listen to Cruz WW owners who think they just hit the lotto. Let it play out, things should settle down a bit. Giants are 2-1 despite some bad football to this point so I don't see major wholesale changes coming on what they wanted to do preseason/off season.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's back up a second here. Manningham did not "push" Steve Smith out of town. That's simply not true at all. Steve Smith had a major injury and the Giants weren't sure he would be back to full strength. The Giants made Steve Smith an offer - it's not like they kicked him to the curb. It was a low offer because of the injury and he went elsewhere. To say that Manningham would have made Smith irrelevant even if he wasn't injured is dead wrong IMO. I like Manningham a lot but not for one second do I doubt the Giants coaching staff misses the hell out of Steve Smith.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Eli made two poor throws to Manningham in Week 2 that could have been TDs.

Manningham did screw up the wide open pass, but oh well.

Eli looked much better this week and hopefully that will continue.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Manningham was good enough to help push Steve Smith out of town injury or not so I would assume they are going to give him every pop to prove himself. He has a great WR lined up across from him and despite Cruz benefitting from poor tackling last week I don't think Cruz will be the WR2, and even if he was Manningham destroyed teams form the slot last year.MM owners need to breathe and not listen to Cruz WW owners who think they just hit the lotto. Let it play out, things should settle down a bit. Giants are 2-1 despite some bad football to this point so I don't see major wholesale changes coming on what they wanted to do preseason/off season.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's back up a second here. Manningham did not "push" Steve Smith out of town. That's simply not true at all. Steve Smith had a major injury and the Giants weren't sure he would be back to full strength. The Giants made Steve Smith an offer - it's not like they kicked him to the curb. It was a low offer because of the injury and he went elsewhere. To say that Manningham would have made Smith irrelevant even if he wasn't injured is dead wrong IMO. I like Manningham a lot but not for one second do I doubt the Giants coaching staff misses the hell out of Steve Smith.

Pretend Manningham doesn't exist on the NY Giants, think they would have watched Smith walk for a few million? To think it had no impact, you're entitled to your opinion but I think to most they would say it had a pretty big impact.

 

[todisco1]

Manningham was good enough to help push Steve Smith out of town injury or not so I would assume they are going to give him every pop to prove himself. He has a great WR lined up across from him and despite Cruz benefitting from poor tackling last week I don't think Cruz will be the WR2, and even if he was Manningham destroyed teams form the slot last year.MM owners need to breathe and not listen to Cruz WW owners who think they just hit the lotto. Let it play out, things should settle down a bit. Giants are 2-1 despite some bad football to this point so I don't see major wholesale changes coming on what they wanted to do preseason/off season.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's back up a second here. Manningham did not "push" Steve Smith out of town. That's simply not true at all. Steve Smith had a major injury and the Giants weren't sure he would be back to full strength. The Giants made Steve Smith an offer - it's not like they kicked him to the curb. It was a low offer because of the injury and he went elsewhere. To say that Manningham would have made Smith irrelevant even if he wasn't injured is dead wrong IMO. I like Manningham a lot but not for one second do I doubt the Giants coaching staff misses the hell out of Steve Smith.

Pretend Manningham doesn't exist on the NY Giants, think they would have watched Smith walk for a few million? To think it had no impact, you're entitled to your opinion but I think to most they would say it had a pretty big impact.

I didn't say it had no impact - you said "Manningham pushed Steve Smith out of town injury or not." You're not saying Manningham's play had an impact, you're saying he made Smith useless to the Giants, that they had zero interest in retaining him, and that isn't true. Manningham's play probably had some impact, but the injury was much important IMO. And again, they have different skill sets - Smith does things well that Manningham is still inconsistent at. Smith has better hands, runs more precise routes, is a terrific outlet on 3rd downs. Just my .02, but I disagree big time with your assertion that Smith was rendered useless by Manningham's play.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

[i didn't say it had no impact - you said "Manningham pushed Steve Smith out of town injury or not." You're not saying Manningham's play had an impact, you're saying he made Smith useless to the Giants, that they had zero interest in retaining him, and that isn't true. Manningham's play probably had some impact, but the injury was much important IMO. And again, they have different skill sets - Smith does things well that Manningham is still inconsistent at. Smith has better hands, runs more precise routes, is a terrific outlet on 3rd downs. Just my .02, but I disagree big time with your assertion that Smith was rendered useless by Manningham's play.

6 of 1 half dozen of another. You say tomayto I say tomato.

 

[The Big Donkey]

Manningham was good enough to help push Steve Smith out of town injury or not so I would assume they are going to give him every pop to prove himself. He has a great WR lined up across from him and despite Cruz benefitting from poor tackling last week I don't think Cruz will be the WR2, and even if he was Manningham destroyed teams form the slot last year.MM owners need to breathe and not listen to Cruz WW owners who think they just hit the lotto. Let it play out, things should settle down a bit. Giants are 2-1 despite some bad football to this point so I don't see major wholesale changes coming on what they wanted to do preseason/off season.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's back up a second here. Manningham did not "push" Steve Smith out of town. That's simply not true at all. Steve Smith had a major injury and the Giants weren't sure he would be back to full strength. The Giants made Steve Smith an offer - it's not like they kicked him to the curb. It was a low offer because of the injury and he went elsewhere. To say that Manningham would have made Smith irrelevant even if he wasn't injured is dead wrong IMO. I like Manningham a lot but not for one second do I doubt the Giants coaching staff misses the hell out of Steve Smith.

pre-injury smith yeah.

 

[todisco1]

[i didn't say it had no impact - you said "Manningham pushed Steve Smith out of town injury or not." You're not saying Manningham's play had an impact, you're saying he made Smith useless to the Giants, that they had zero interest in retaining him, and that isn't true. Manningham's play probably had some impact, but the injury was much important IMO. And again, they have different skill sets - Smith does things well that Manningham is still inconsistent at. Smith has better hands, runs more precise routes, is a terrific outlet on 3rd downs. Just my .02, but I disagree big time with your assertion that Smith was rendered useless by Manningham's play.

6 of 1 half dozen of another. You say tomayto I say tomato.

I dunno. You say Manningham alone made Steve Smith irrelevant, I say that's not true. Agree to disagree.

 

[solorca]

So, who is willing to roll him out this week? i am deciding between him or Percy Harvin as my WR3 this week, but right now I'm leaning toward Harvin.

 

[E_Smith]

Deciding between Manningham and Lance Moore. FBG gives the edge to Manningham.

 

[Sabertooth]

I reboarded. I dropped him for David Nelson in an auction league last week. This week I dropped Nelson back for him. One thing I did notice with Manningham is his schedule.

 

[Hoosier16]

I don't understand the logic in selling low or dropping this guy. He is still a top 20 WR going forward. He is one bad drop away from haing 8 receptions from having 165 yards and a TD in 6 quarters of football.

This is funny. We always see the sentence that starts out "If you take away his one long catch . . .". It even appears in the WW thread when discussing Cruz. But, I don't think I've ever seen it in reverse. "If we add one catch for 60 yards and a TD, . . .". You even make a dropped pass seem like a positive.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I don't understand the logic in selling low or dropping this guy. He is still a top 20 WR going forward. He is one bad drop away from haing 8 receptions from having 165 yards and a TD in 6 quarters of football.

This is funny. We always see the sentence that starts out "If you take away his one long catch . . .". It even appears in the WW thread when discussing Cruz. But, I don't think I've ever seen it in reverse. "If we add one catch for 60 yards and a TD, . . .". You even make a dropped pass seem like a positive.

Actually, if ya want to get technical there are positives to a dropped pass. 1) The guy was open 2) He was targeted 3) The QB got it there. I think there's actually more positives to a dropped pass than the majority of routes a WR will run on any given Sunday. More than one way to look at it, but ultimately I agree with what you're saying.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I reboarded. I dropped him for David Nelson in an auction league last week. This week I dropped Nelson back for him. One thing I did notice with Manningham is his schedule.

I think you made the right call.

 

[jimbodan]

Manningham did not push Steve Smith out. Tom Coughlin was actually quite pissed off that Steve Smith took the Eagles offer without letting the Giants make a counter offer.

 

[loose circuits]

I don't think Manningham would be suited for the slot. Why don't understand is why they don't try Hakeem Nicks in that role? Many WR1's move inside like San Diego doing that with Vincent Jackson.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

First I will say that I think Manningham is still in line for a quality year even with the slow start.

I would suggest that the Giants would be best served to use Manningham similar to how Steven Smith was used prior to his injury last year. But even if they don't, Manningham is still the 2nd best WR on that team by quite a bit. And the 2nd WR in that offense is still extremely valuable.

Steven Smith lined up as the starter opposite Nicks last year, but in 3 wr sets Smith was moved into the slot as he is one of the best slot WR's in the game.

I know Manningham and Smith are different players but Manningham in the slot > Cruz in the slot. Manningham outside > Cruz outside. Therefore they should use him like they did Smith a year ago. Manningham does not run nearly the crisp and clean routes like Smith did and he is not as sure handed, but he is an upgrade to Cruz in that role.

The problem with the Giants offense right now is the lack of consistency out of the slot and TE stuff. Losing Boss and Smith in the off season hurt a lot and not having a full training camp to find that rhythm and schemes with their personal has left them struggling through the first few weeks. Eli is a very good QB but he does struggle with inconsistencies and that won't change.

I think they will find a way to make it work as I actually think Gilbride is a pretty good play caller and finds ways to put his players in positions that they will succeed.

Don't jump off the Manningham bandwagon yet. I watch every Giants game and was extemely high on Steven Smith prior to his breakout season in 2009 and took a lot of flack for suggesting how good he actually was.Remember Manningham is 25 and still is learning his position and he has a lot of upside. Run away at your own risk.

I was one of your biggest supporters in that thread and I completely agree with you now. Cruz had a big game (aided by some real shoddy tackling by the Eagles), but Manningham is the better player.If Manning didn't throw up a duck that was intercepted when Manningham was running wide open for a TD during the Monday Night game (and if Manninghma didn't get hurt in the first half) there'd be no discussion as to his value.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Inspiration for my "Don't give up on DHB" thread, coming soon.

When DHB has a 960 yard and 9 TD season, let us know.

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

First I will say that I think Manningham is still in line for a quality year even with the slow start.I would suggest that the Giants would be best served to use Manningham similar to how Steven Smith was used prior to his injury last year. But even if they don't, Manningham is still the 2nd best WR on that team by quite a bit. And the 2nd WR in that offense is still extremely valuable.Steven Smith lined up as the starter opposite Nicks last year, but in 3 wr sets Smith was moved into the slot as he is one of the best slot WR's in the game.I know Manningham and Smith are different players but Manningham in the slot > Cruz in the slot. Manningham outside > Cruz outside. Therefore they should use him like they did Smith a year ago. Manningham does not run nearly the crisp and clean routes like Smith did and he is not as sure handed, but he is an upgrade to Cruz in that role. The problem with the Giants offense right now is the lack of consistency out of the slot and TE stuff. Losing Boss and Smith in the off season hurt a lot and not having a full training camp to find that rhythm and schemes with their personal has left them struggling through the first few weeks. Eli is a very good QB but he does struggle with inconsistencies and that won't change. I think they will find a way to make it work as I actually think Gilbride is a pretty good play caller and finds ways to put his players in positions that they will succeed. Don't jump off the Manningham bandwagon yet. I watch every Giants game and was extemely high on Steven Smith prior to his breakout season in 2009 and took a lot of flack for suggesting how good he actually was.Remember Manningham is 25 and still is learning his position and he has a lot of upside. Run away at your own risk.

You watch every Giant game? Certainly then you realize Steve Smith and Mario Manningham have a completely different WR skill set. I like Maningham, a lot. But he's not exactly sure-handed or a precision route runner. While we're at it, the Giants need some CB help, maybe we can turn Jacobs into a DB?

 

[netnalp]

Manningham did not push Steve Smith out. Tom Coughlin was actually quite pissed off that Steve Smith took the Eagles offer without letting the Giants make a counter offer.

During camp, there was talk about Manningham going to the slot in 3WR sets, it seems that has been scrapped. It is speculated that Manningham was struggling too much with learning the reads for the slot position.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

First I will say that I think Manningham is still in line for a quality year even with the slow start.

I would suggest that the Giants would be best served to use Manningham similar to how Steven Smith was used prior to his injury last year. But even if they don't, Manningham is still the 2nd best WR on that team by quite a bit. And the 2nd WR in that offense is still extremely valuable.

Steven Smith lined up as the starter opposite Nicks last year, but in 3 wr sets Smith was moved into the slot as he is one of the best slot WR's in the game.

I know Manningham and Smith are different players but Manningham in the slot > Cruz in the slot. Manningham outside > Cruz outside. Therefore they should use him like they did Smith a year ago. Manningham does not run nearly the crisp and clean routes like Smith did and he is not as sure handed, but he is an upgrade to Cruz in that role.

The problem with the Giants offense right now is the lack of consistency out of the slot and TE stuff. Losing Boss and Smith in the off season hurt a lot and not having a full training camp to find that rhythm and schemes with their personal has left them struggling through the first few weeks. Eli is a very good QB but he does struggle with inconsistencies and that won't change.

I think they will find a way to make it work as I actually think Gilbride is a pretty good play caller and finds ways to put his players in positions that they will succeed.

Don't jump off the Manningham bandwagon yet. I watch every Giants game and was extemely high on Steven Smith prior to his breakout season in 2009 and took a lot of flack for suggesting how good he actually was.

Remember Manningham is 25 and still is learning his position and he has a lot of upside. Run away at your own risk.

You watch every Giant game? Certainly then you realize Steve Smith and Mario Manningham have a completely different WR skill set. I like Maningham, a lot. But he's not exactly sure-handed or a precision route runner.

While we're at it, the Giants need some CB help, maybe we can turn Jacobs into a DB?

Maybe you should go back and read my original post again! I know Manningham and Smith have different skill sets, but with who they do have on their roster now, he would be best suited to be used in a smilar role to how Smith was a year ago as he is the 2nd best WR on that team both outside and since they won't move Nicks inside he would be their best bet in the slot as well.

 

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Back to back practices for Manningham.

Full practice today. Let's get this train rolling Mario!