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Bankerguy
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BARBER, ‘BOYS DO A DEAL
Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 3:48 p.m.
A league source tells us that the Dallas Cowboys and running back Marion Barber have reached agreement on a long-term contract.
Per the source, it’s a seven-year deal worth a total of $45 million. The package includes $16 million in guaranteed bonuses, and will pay out $21 million over the first three years.
The better news for Barber is that he’ll have every opportunity to earn all of that money, since the Cowboys remain committed to using a two-back approach, which will help to extend Barber’s career well into the next decade by limiting the physical punishment that he takes.
Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 3:48 p.m.
A league source tells us that the Dallas Cowboys and running back Marion Barber have reached agreement on a long-term contract.
Per the source, it’s a seven-year deal worth a total of $45 million. The package includes $16 million in guaranteed bonuses, and will pay out $21 million over the first three years.
The better news for Barber is that he’ll have every opportunity to earn all of that money, since the Cowboys remain committed to using a two-back approach, which will help to extend Barber’s career well into the next decade by limiting the physical punishment that he takes.
mozzy84
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6 years 35 mill
Surprised it took this long to get done. Too bad for Choice, watch him get traded to another team for a 6th in two years a la Fasano and then do well.
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Andy Dufresne
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...and the Felix Jones owners all commisserate.
Hopefully they factored this in when they took him, hopefully no higher than 7th or 8th...
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Jerry Jones was just waiting for this CBA vote to go thru.He got right on it, signing both Barber and Newman.I'm sure Ken Hamlin and DeMarcus Ware are soon to follow.
massraider
Footballguy
Sure, but I am sitting at 1.8 in Zealots, and I was thinking if Barber couldn't get a deal done, that in a year or so, Felix may be the 1A in a RBBC, rather than 1B. The uncertainty of Barber's future made Felix a bit more attractive. I am glad this got done before I had to decide, it at least keep me from daydreaming about stealing the 2009 Dallas feature back late in the first round of my rook draft.I am also surprised that this took a bit of time, Barber is a tough son of a gun, and Dallas did well to lock him up.
Makes a lot of sense. thanks for the heads up - hopefully we'll get to see the later years of this deal. Im getting an ominous feeling from the labor situation.
massraider
Footballguy
I'd like to know why the owners opting out of the CBA affects a move like this.I truly don't know the ramifications.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
I think it's too far off to worry about now.For one thing, the NFL is the model to which all other sports try to follow. I can't see them dropping the ball here.For another, Gene Upshaw will probably be replaced before 2010 gets here, and the newcomer will see to it that there are no bumps in the road.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Until a different agreement is reached, as it stands 2011 will be an uncapped year, freeing up alot of money for the markets/teams that have it.
buck naked
Footballguy
We all should enjoy the next two years of undisturbed fantasy football fun, because very soon we could have a really ****ed up season with work stoppage.
massraider
Footballguy
Not that it matters, but I have heard conflicting reports, I have heard 2010 as well.I also wonder how an uncapped year affects a long term deal. If Barber is signed, unless Dallas has a big roster bonus in that year, will it really affect it?It seems to me, if there is an uncapped year, the way that NFL teams could use it to their advantage is to move a bunch of money into bonuses that count in 2010. Is there another advantage?
switz
Footballguy
No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
jurb26
Footballguy
Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Good to hear. This guy is going to be our horse for a long time. Just want to throw out a good stat I found really interesting.
Rushes per Down (2007):
1st & 2nd - 175 (4.65 YPC)
3rd & 4th - 29 (5.62 YPC)
Nothing like a RB that can consistently put your team in second/third down and less than 5 yards for a first.
switz
Footballguy
MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Andy
jurb26
Footballguy
While there is not doubt what you say bout MJD is true, MJD is a pretty rare exception. Not only that, but I would also say that MJD is more talented than Jones. Sure, Jones was drafted higher, but MJD has now proven to be an excellent RB in the NFL for 2 years in a row now. It's obvious he was undervalued in the draft and overlooked by scouts. Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there. I'd say its a dangerous proposition to hitch the Jones wagon to the MJD one.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
humphrp
Footballguy
You've got it right. By opting out of the CBA the current CBA will extend to 2011. However the last year of the CBA is an uncapped year, so that would make 2010 an uncapped year. If something is going to get done it will need to be before the 2010 uncapped year. The current NFLPA regime as made it well known that if they get to an uncapped year, they will not agree to a cap again. I think that is just a strong arm tactic.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
2010 is the uncapped year - the last year of the current CBA. 2011 is the potential lockout year if they can't get a deal done (which is unlikely but possible, especially if the cap goes away).ETA: beaten to it
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TheFanatic
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Honestly, if we had a work stoppage I would probably cry like a little girl....
Andy Herron
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Big Daddy Kane
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hitmenssharpshooters
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I would say he has had more NFL experience but there is no way you can say he is more talented. How many ypc did Felix average in college? What pick overall did JJ take Felix even with Mendenhall still on the board?MJD ypc and Td's dropped while his carries did not.While there is not doubt what you say bout MJD is true, MJD is a pretty rare exception. Not only that, but I would also say that MJD is more talented than Jones. Sure, Jones was drafted higher, but MJD has now proven to be an excellent RB in the NFL for 2 years in a row now. It's obvious he was undervalued in the draft and overlooked by scouts. Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there. I'd say its a dangerous proposition to hitch the Jones wagon to the MJD one.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Too early to say.
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jurb26
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Why would you respond to a post you clearly only read the 1st 2 sentences of?I would say he has had more NFL experience but there is no way you can say he is more talented. How many ypc did Felix average in college? What pick overall did JJ take Felix even with Mendenhall still on the board?MJD ypc and Td's dropped while his carries did not.While there is not doubt what you say bout MJD is true, MJD is a pretty rare exception. Not only that, but I would also say that MJD is more talented than Jones. Sure, Jones was drafted higher, but MJD has now proven to be an excellent RB in the NFL for 2 years in a row now. It's obvious he was undervalued in the draft and overlooked by scouts. Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there. I'd say its a dangerous proposition to hitch the Jones wagon to the MJD one.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Too early to say.
hitmenssharpshooters
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Because what you said after that sounds like you are circlin' the wagons to what the first 2 sentences say. But if I am wrong please clarify as it sounds like you are saying MJD is way more talented. It's way to early to tell.As far as MJD having 2 good seasons, I would only say he had 1 good one. Last year wasn't anything special. Now Fred Taylor, he had a good year last year (I should know as he was on my team).Why would you respond to a post you clearly only read the 1st 2 sentences of?I would say he has had more NFL experience but there is no way you can say he is more talented. How many ypc did Felix average in college? What pick overall did JJ take Felix even with Mendenhall still on the board?MJD ypc and Td's dropped while his carries did not.While there is not doubt what you say bout MJD is true, MJD is a pretty rare exception. Not only that, but I would also say that MJD is more talented than Jones. Sure, Jones was drafted higher, but MJD has now proven to be an excellent RB in the NFL for 2 years in a row now. It's obvious he was undervalued in the draft and overlooked by scouts. Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there. I'd say its a dangerous proposition to hitch the Jones wagon to the MJD one.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Too early to say.
jurb26
Footballguy
Umm, did miss this part "Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there." In what world is 1175 total yds, a 4.6 YPA and 9 TDs not a good season? In case you forgot, MJD also scored more fantasy points than Taylor last year.Because what you said after that sounds like you are circlin' the wagons to what the first 2 sentences say. But if I am wrong please clarify as it sounds like you are saying MJD is way more talented. It's way to early to tell.As far as MJD having 2 good seasons, I would only say he had 1 good one. Last year wasn't anything special. Now Fred Taylor, he had a good year last year (I should know as he was on my team).Why would you respond to a post you clearly only read the 1st 2 sentences of?I would say he has had more NFL experience but there is no way you can say he is more talented. How many ypc did Felix average in college? What pick overall did JJ take Felix even with Mendenhall still on the board?MJD ypc and Td's dropped while his carries did not.While there is not doubt what you say bout MJD is true, MJD is a pretty rare exception. Not only that, but I would also say that MJD is more talented than Jones. Sure, Jones was drafted higher, but MJD has now proven to be an excellent RB in the NFL for 2 years in a row now. It's obvious he was undervalued in the draft and overlooked by scouts. Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there. I'd say its a dangerous proposition to hitch the Jones wagon to the MJD one.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Too early to say.
hitmenssharpshooters
Footballguy
In a PPR he had a very good year, in my league non-ppr he was only 1 pt/game better and that was due to rec yards. MJD really only had 4 maybe 5 gd NFL standard weeks last year from a RB standpoint. Not great.I think it is easy to say it's too early to tell,again. I would say that Felix had a better final year of college than MJD and he was a backup. MJD had more opportunities for receptions.Umm, did miss this part "Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there." In what world is 1175 total yds, a 4.6 YPA and 9 TDs not a good season? In case you forgot, MJD also scored more fantasy points than Taylor last year.Because what you said after that sounds like you are circlin' the wagons to what the first 2 sentences say. But if I am wrong please clarify as it sounds like you are saying MJD is way more talented. It's way to early to tell.As far as MJD having 2 good seasons, I would only say he had 1 good one. Last year wasn't anything special. Now Fred Taylor, he had a good year last year (I should know as he was on my team).Why would you respond to a post you clearly only read the 1st 2 sentences of?I would say he has had more NFL experience but there is no way you can say he is more talented. How many ypc did Felix average in college? What pick overall did JJ take Felix even with Mendenhall still on the board?MJD ypc and Td's dropped while his carries did not.While there is not doubt what you say bout MJD is true, MJD is a pretty rare exception. Not only that, but I would also say that MJD is more talented than Jones. Sure, Jones was drafted higher, but MJD has now proven to be an excellent RB in the NFL for 2 years in a row now. It's obvious he was undervalued in the draft and overlooked by scouts. Jones is still in question as far as NFL ability just like any other rookie out there. I'd say its a dangerous proposition to hitch the Jones wagon to the MJD one.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Too early to say.
Felix 134 1160 11 8.7 16 176 11
MJD 186 914 13 4.9 31 453 4
I guess to each his own.
BigJim®
Footballguy
No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Riiiiiiiight.Almas_4th_Child
Footballguy
Great signing for Dallas.
It didn't appear that they overpaid at all. Let the Barber time start.
It didn't appear that they overpaid at all. Let the Barber time start.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
This is just massive denial.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
gianmarco
Footballguy
This is just massive denial.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
Tyrion
Footballguy
The key here, as I understand it, is that, due to the vote, today was the last day that a team could sign a player and pro-rate the deal over 6 years. I have not seen the contract so I don't know if there is a jump on the uncapped year but spreading a signing bonus over 6 years instead of 5 is pretty big.Oh I forgot to add that this is an excellent deal for both the player and Dallas. I don't see where it lowers Felix's value since Barber was going to get signed all along unless someone was under the mistaken belief that Dallas was going to let Barber go.massraider said:
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Yeap.. Felix's Value takes a huge hit... I know most people taking him had a hope that JJones was going to let Barber walk after this yr. That Never had a chance.
Tyrion
Footballguy
Hmm those people don't know J. Jones very well then. It's been a long time since Jerry has let a big time FA leave Dallas. This isn't Cincy where players are looking for an excuse to leave.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Just to break it down a little further.Here's why it made a difference:** The Cowboys can prorate the signing bonuses Newman and Barber received over six years instead of five had a contract not been worked out.** The 30 percent rule, which states a player's cap number cannot increase by more than 30 percent each year. By doing it now, the 30 percent rule does not apply until 2011. Had they waited a day, then the rule would hit in 2009. Therefore, it's a safe bet Newman and Barber will carry big numbers in 2010.**There's also a not-likely-to-be-earned incentive change under the new rules, but these contracts do not feature such incentives.I can't say I'm a cap wizard on this stuff by any stretch, but just because 2010 is scheduled to be an un-capped year, does not mean the NFL will turn into a Wild West in which teams can spend whatever they want on whoever they want. There are rules in place that actually could limit how teams can add free agents.
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switz
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How so? It was expected that Jones would be part of a platoon regardless of whether Barber signed or not. They drafted Choice to play the tough runner part if Barber didn't sign.If anything, Jones proved he could be an effective, high scoring RB, while playing second fiddle in college. There's no reason to think he won't be able to in the NFL. If you look at how DAL has used their RBs the last few seasons, then every indication is that Jones will still get plenty of opportunity in the RBBC role.The only people in denial are those that think that Jones is not going to cut into Barber's workload. If Julius Jones did, then Felix Jones will for sure. Anyone expecting Barber to have over 300 carries, or to get the majority of 3rd down work (I think someone posted earlier he only had 29 carries between 3rd and 4th down last season) is in denial. Not me.Michael J Fox said:This is just massive denial.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
switz
Footballguy
I don't think anyone thought Jerry would just let Barber walk. I know a few felt that if Barber was unwilling to budge on his $50 million demands that Jones may let him play this season on the tender and then negotiate a long term deal after. That's a double edged sword though.This year deal is basically a three year deal from what I saw of it, which is smart for the Cowboys. Barber runs really tough, and RBs have short shelf lives. IF Barber wears down, the Cowboys won't be hurt by letting him walk after three years. On the other hand, if Barber takes the same pills Emmitt did, then they have him signed for the long term. IT was a very smart play by JJ.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Given his physical style of play, and the fact that he has never gotten a lot of touches (when compared to other featured backs in the NFL), I will be SHOCKED if Barber makes it through half of that contract without getting hurt or seeing his productivity drop off drastically.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Based on reading the tea leaves, don't expect Barber's workload to go up a whole lot. EVERYBODY knows his physical style is not conducive to long term health.
Why would Dallas put him in situations where they know that he will wear down and be ineffective? You've got a 1st round pick to help make sure Barber's workload doesnt have to be too much.
The only way that I see Barber's load going up a ton is if Felix and/or Choice are found to be useless as pass blockers. Now all rookies struggle some here, but from what I've read, those 2 guys are at least adequate in that skill.
I'd expect Barber to be the nominal starter. But Felix to get much of the work during the first 3 quarters, much like Julius did last year. Then Barber still be the "Closer" in the 4th quarter. This would seem to be the best use of available talent in both the medium and long terms.
Why would Dallas put him in situations where they know that he will wear down and be ineffective? You've got a 1st round pick to help make sure Barber's workload doesnt have to be too much.
The only way that I see Barber's load going up a ton is if Felix and/or Choice are found to be useless as pass blockers. Now all rookies struggle some here, but from what I've read, those 2 guys are at least adequate in that skill.
I'd expect Barber to be the nominal starter. But Felix to get much of the work during the first 3 quarters, much like Julius did last year. Then Barber still be the "Closer" in the 4th quarter. This would seem to be the best use of available talent in both the medium and long terms.
JKL
Footballguy
The only things in life that are for sure: Felix Jones cutting into Barber's workload, death and taxes.Barber actually "only" had 28 carries on 3rd and 4th down last year. Of course, that "only" ranked him as tied for fourth in the league in that category, behind Jones-Drew (43), Fargas (36), and ADP (32), and tied at 28 with Lynch, Addai, MoMo, and Najeh. He actually was the primary 3rd down back for the Cowboys, Barber (28 rushes, 12 pass targets on 3rd/4th) versus Jones (12 rushes, 5 targets). Barber is a good pass blocker, and from what I saw last year, is in on most third downs (which the numbers bear out).How so? It was expected that Jones would be part of a platoon regardless of whether Barber signed or not. They drafted Choice to play the tough runner part if Barber didn't sign.If anything, Jones proved he could be an effective, high scoring RB, while playing second fiddle in college. There's no reason to think he won't be able to in the NFL. If you look at how DAL has used their RBs the last few seasons, then every indication is that Jones will still get plenty of opportunity in the RBBC role.Michael J Fox said:This is just massive denial.MJD didn't need a ton of touches to make his FF owners happy his rookie season, neither will Jones. And they plan on using Jones more than JAX planned on using MJD. Think Reggie Bush type opportunity.Better for Jones, yes. Better for Jones owners, no.No issues here. Better for Jones, he will be used in more run friendly situations, be kept fresh and explosive
The only people in denial are those that think that Jones is not going to cut into Barber's workload. If Julius Jones did, then Felix Jones will for sure. Anyone expecting Barber to have over 300 carries, or to get the majority of 3rd down work (I think someone posted earlier he only had 29 carries between 3rd and 4th down last season) is in denial. Not me.
Now, is a rookie who played in an offense that used another running back at the quarterback alot of the time going to be ready to step in on third down right away and change that? My money is on No.
