Your Thoughts - League Agrees To Social Justice Plan (1 Viewer)

[Stealthycat]

All of the evidence is that U.S. companies do hire based on skin color. Whites are more likely to get call-backs, more likely to get interviews, more likely to be hired, and more likely to be promoted than equally-qualified blacks.

nobody is equally qualified and no - US companies do not do that, they have entire Human Resources groups that intentionally look into things like that PLUS affirmative action initiatives and quota's etc

And blacks are more likely to be stopped by police, more likely to arrested when stopped, more likely to be charged when arrested, more likely to be convicted when charged, and more likely to be injured or die in custody, than equally-criminal whites.

no way

to say that, you are saying the entire police force across the nation has it in for black people - I call BS on that too. Both the above 40 years ago yes, it was much more true. Today ?  not

This 100 million will do absolutely nothing - nothing at all. 

 

[CalBear]

nobody is equally qualified and no - US companies do not do that, they have entire Human Resources groups that intentionally look into things like that PLUS affirmative action initiatives and quota's etc

no way

OK, so you're denying the problem; at least we're clear on that now. 

So you're denying that two resumes which are identical except for the name (Emily Walsh or Greg Baker, vs. Lakisha Washington or Jamal Jones) would receive different call-back rates. That the human resources groups employed by U.S. companies couldn't possibly be inferring anything about the candidate based on the white-sounding or black-sounding name on the resume.

This study is easy to do and has been repeated multiple times. And the unfortunate conclusion is, if your name sounds black, you are significantly less likely (30-50%) to get a call back.

See Bertrand and Mullainathan (2003), Kang et al. (2016), or Quillian et al. (2017). Quillian looks longitudinally and finds that the gap in call-back rates for blacks has not improved over the past 25 years.

So, you can deny that this effect exists, if you like, but all of the research is against you on it.

 

[Stealthycat]

Breast cancer awareness is a PR thing for the league, but most NFL players have personal experiences of racial injustice.

oh wow, seriously ?

About 1 in 8 U.S. women (about 12%) will develop invasive breast cancer over the course of her lifetime. In 2017, an estimated 252,710 new cases of invasive breast cancer are expected to be diagnosed in women in the U.S., along with 63,410 new cases of non-invasive (in situ) breast cancer

that you would see its a PR thing tells a great deal IMO

OK, so you're denying the problem; at least we're clear on that now. 

I'm saying ALL colors of skin have problems and making laws and rules and allocating funds and focusing only on one skin color is detrimental, is a negative, its racist and should be 100% unacceptable in today's world . Do you know what % of NFL and NBA are black? Is that because of racism or that they're better for the positions ?

You and I both know the answer. 

Again I say to you, being racist in the name of fighting racism is still racist. If there is a problem with people using skin color in determining job positions etc, passing laws to use skin color in determining job positions is NOT also the answer. 

Doing away with ALL use of racism is the answer. 

 

[Stealthycat]

maybe the answer is employers and colleges etc NEVER get applications with personal info - and never ever a face to face

no names, no ages, no sexes, no races listed ever - only accomplishments and accolades

there would never be any hiring of anyone based on any way they might be, or look, etc , no scholarships given for height, weight, color of skin, sex, religion, ages etc

 

[RBM]

This league has a mess on it’s hands. These pics are amazing. 

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/12/10/weak-14-nfl-stadiums-continue-ghost-towns-attendance-crisis-cintinues/

 

[RBM]

   On 12/7/2017 at 0:21 PM,  CalBear said: 

Breast cancer awareness is a PR thing for the league, but most NFL players have personal experiences of racial injustice.

Jesus 

 

[zftcg]

maybe the answer is employers and colleges etc NEVER get applications with personal info - and never ever a face to face

no names, no ages, no sexes, no races listed ever - only accomplishments and accolades

there would never be any hiring of anyone based on any way they might be, or look, etc , no scholarships given for height, weight, color of skin, sex, religion, ages etc

There is an industry where this happens: Most symphony orchestras conduct blind auditions, where the first time a musician performs the hiring committee cannot see their gender or ethnicity. It has been shown that such practices increase the numbers of women and minorities who get hired, even if the committee learns the musician's identity after the initial audition. In other words, bias has its largest effect upon your first impression of someone; once you are able to get past that, hiring decisions are less likely to be affected.

Of course, that also suggests that there are implicit biases at work in hiring, and we should not assume that if affirmative action were eliminated we would have a pure meritocracy.

 

[Stealthycat]

Most symphony orchestras conduct blind auditions,

odd I hadn't thought about that

my daughter is an accomplished flutist ..... and her all region and all-state and college auditions are behind a screen you're right ......... gender, race, appearance .... all of that is masked, the only thing is what they hear

affirmative action IS hiring bias - its the very definition of racism in the work place (or sexism)