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Marion Barber signs, 7 years (1 Viewer)

Yeap.. Felix's Value takes a huge hit... I know most people taking him had a hope that JJones was going to let Barber walk after this yr. That Never had a chance.
I dont think it takes a big hit at all. I think Felix gets a lot of touches between the 20s like Julius Jones did. Most people who drafted him were counting on a time share with Barber so I dont think the news really changes anything. I see Felix being a productive RB3/flex option with upside, especially in ppr leagues
 
The only people in denial are those that think that Jones is not going to cut into Barber's workload.
:rolleyes: ... says the guy who one short month ago was openly speculating that Barber would lose significant carries by week 8 and be fazed out entirely by rookie getting the 'lion's share' of carries by year-end, at which point Barber would ride off into the sunset leaving the job to a rookie.
I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
But now Barber being signed to a more lucrative long-term contract than McGahee and M.Turner is a positive development for Felix Jones, and everyone else is in denial. MmmmmK. :hifive: You're a very fortunate guy Switz. Some people only get to be right when they're, you know, actually right about things.
 
The only people in denial are those that think that Jones is not going to cut into Barber's workload.
:rolleyes: ... says the guy who one short month ago was openly speculating that Barber would lose significant carries by week 8 and be fazed out entirely by rookie getting the 'lion's share' of carries by year-end, at which point Barber would ride off into the sunset leaving the job to a rookie.
I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
But now Barber being signed to a more lucrative long-term contract than McGahee and M.Turner is a positive development for Felix Jones, and everyone else is in denial. MmmmmK. :lmao: You're a very fortunate guy Switz. Some people only get to be right when they're, you know, actually right about things.
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me.
 
The only people in denial are those that think that Jones is not going to cut into Barber's workload.
:shrug: ... says the guy who one short month ago was openly speculating that Barber would lose significant carries by week 8 and be fazed out entirely by rookie getting the 'lion's share' of carries by year-end, at which point Barber would ride off into the sunset leaving the job to a rookie.

I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
But now Barber being signed to a more lucrative long-term contract than McGahee and M.Turner is a positive development for Felix Jones, and everyone else is in denial. MmmmmK. :lmao:

You're a very fortunate guy Switz. Some people only get to be right when they're, you know, actually right about things.
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me .
Yeah, it's so strange that I [a Barber owner], keep running into you [a non-Barber owner], in threads about Barber. I'm such a stalker. Get over yourself guy.

 
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me .
Yeah, it's so strange that I [a Barber owner], keep running into you [a non-Barber owner], in threads about Barber. I'm such a stalker. Get over yourself guy.
:yes: Well, at least that explains your delusional and aggressive behavior. :goodposting:

 
Well, at least that explains your delusional and aggressive behavior. :rolleyes:
Pot. Kettle. Look, none of us -- not even, you switz -- knows how this will shake out. To *insist* (as opposed to speculate) otherwise is always going to cause flammable reactions because you're insisting on something that's pure speculation. Speculation is extremely valuable, but treating your pet theories like they're obvious facts when you write about them will only alienate people.As for my speculation, Jones will probably need to be a darn good pass blocker before he lines up as a 3rd down RB. He's more likely to wind up in the slot on third down early, I'd say. Does Jones have the talent to make an impact with 200 or fewer touches? Yeah, but any back with that few touches needs a little luck to get some big games going. Barber's toughness, new contract, and proven reliability aren't to be ignored. Even if you think ignoring them is easier than tweaking your opinion a bit. ;)
 
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me .
Yeah, it's so strange that I [a Barber owner], keep running into you [a non-Barber owner], in threads about Barber. I'm such a stalker. Get over yourself guy.
:X Well, at least that explains your delusional and aggressive behavior. :confused:
Delusional? Care to elaborate? I promise to be nice if you fairly quote my 'delusions.' Seems to me my delusions consist of projecting some increase in Barber production vs. 2007, predicting the drafting of a 1st round RB to complement Barber, and general pooh-poohing of the notion that some speedback is going to supplant Barber as a primary ball carrier. Fire away.
 
I doubt the overall run/pass ratio for Dallas changes much versus last year.

I'd expect the split of carries to be something like Barber 60%, Felix 30% to 35%, Choice 5% to 10%.

Choice's carries will depend on whether he can play special teams. If he can, he'll be active on game day and maybe get a series per half. If he isnt on special teams, he won't be active on game day. Give his carries to Felix in that instance.

I don't think Dallas will over work Barber.

 
The only people in denial are those that think that Jones is not going to cut into Barber's workload.
:mellow: ... says the guy who one short month ago was openly speculating that Barber would lose significant carries by week 8 and be fazed out entirely by rookie getting the 'lion's share' of carries by year-end, at which point Barber would ride off into the sunset leaving the job to a rookie.
I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
But now Barber being signed to a more lucrative long-term contract than McGahee and M.Turner is a positive development for Felix Jones, and everyone else is in denial. MmmmmK. :lmao: You're a very fortunate guy Switz. Some people only get to be right when they're, you know, actually right about things.
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me.
Sort of like your rookie rankings pre draft? "I like Mendenhall #1"..."Steelers?! Mendenhall is clearly overrated. Dude just isn't very good."You change your mind every week. After the rookie draft debacle its clear you have no convictions, and you're just tossing stuff out hoping some of it sticks. So given your track record, I'm not sure why you act so appalled when people call you out. You're basically LHUCKS without the Pac-10 blasts.
 
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me .
Yeah, it's so strange that I [a Barber owner], keep running into you [a non-Barber owner], in threads about Barber. I'm such a stalker. Get over yourself guy.
:lmao: Well, at least that explains your delusional and aggressive behavior. :excited:
Delusional? Care to elaborate? I promise to be nice if you fairly quote my 'delusions.' Seems to me my delusions consist of projecting some increase in Barber production vs. 2007, predicting the drafting of a 1st round RB to complement Barber, and general pooh-poohing of the notion that some speedback is going to supplant Barber as a primary ball carrier. Fire away.
Well, there's a start. I don't think anyone said a speed back would supplant Barber as the starter. So, you're thinking anyone is making that argument is delusional in itself.As for projecting some increase. I myself am on record stating he could see 250 carries or so. But my argument is that he won't see 300+ carries.

However, by delusional, I was mainly referencing your attacking me for things I didn't say, for instance:

They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.

Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
You pulled the last sentence out of that to frame my words out of context. When the scenario I mentioned was clearly in regards to Barber being an FA after the season possibly, and if so the Cowboys drafting a replacement if he wouldn't sign.You seem to pick phrases out of my posts to argue against what you think they are saying, instead of the whole quote. Because of that you argue against things I actually didn't state - since the meaning is ambiguous pulled out of context.

 
Sort of like your rookie rankings pre draft?

"I like Mendenhall #1"

...

"Steelers?! Mendenhall is clearly overrated. Dude just isn't very good."

You change your mind every week. After the rookie draft debacle its clear you have no convictions, and you're just tossing stuff out hoping some of it sticks. So given your track record, I'm not sure why you act so appalled when people call you out. You're basically LHUCKS without the Pac-10 blasts.
:lmao: :lmao:Prior to doing my rankings, and looking at much film, I asked for board opinion on Mendenhall, as a few reports I read had him ranked very highly, and I considered him suspect based on where he played.

After doing research I ranked him as the #1 prospect.

After the draft, this is what I had to say:

Mendenhall arguably could win this in a landslide. I tihnk he's a better RB than Stewart, and he lands in a good situation for the future. In three years he could be the #1 guy there (probably will be) and will be in a good offense than will use him well.
I've argued that he's probably not as good as I thought he was, due to the fact he fell so far in the draft. And I've argued that his situation is probably not the best for immediate impact. But I've never said he was a bad RB.If you are referring to this:

Mendenhall is overrated, the NFL does not think much of him apparently. I liked him before the draft, but his slide does worry me.
The overrated was in reference to him being the #1 dynasty RB, not whether he is a good RB or not. As I stated like three posts later:
I don't think he stinks, he was #1 on my list before the draft. But why did teams pass on him? Chicago, Detroit, Arizona, Carolina, all needed RBs, opted for a different one OR passed altogether on him.

I just wonder why - he's just not my #1 RB as the guys on the mp3 said - which is what my "overrated" comment was in respect to. He's overrated at #1 in a draft at this point.
Everything I say is in harmony, when taken in context.
 
Of course, that was all in the context of IF Barber only signed the tender. You still need to work on your reading comprehension... and stop stalking me .
Yeah, it's so strange that I [a Barber owner], keep running into you [a non-Barber owner], in threads about Barber. I'm such a stalker. Get over yourself guy.
:lmao: Well, at least that explains your delusional and aggressive behavior. :cry:
Delusional? Care to elaborate? I promise to be nice if you fairly quote my 'delusions.' Seems to me my delusions consist of projecting some increase in Barber production vs. 2007, predicting the drafting of a 1st round RB to complement Barber, and general pooh-poohing of the notion that some speedback is going to supplant Barber as a primary ball carrier. Fire away.
Well, there's a start. I don't think anyone said a speed back would supplant Barber as the starter. So, you're thinking anyone is making that argument is delusional in itself.As for projecting some increase. I myself am on record stating he could see 250 carries or so. But my argument is that he won't see 300+ carries.

However, by delusional, I was mainly referencing your attacking me for things I didn't say, for instance:

They will definitely draft an RB in the first round.

Does anyone know the status on Barber's contract? He is still slotted to be an FA after this season, isn't he? I can see a scenario where he gets the lion's share early on as they work in the rookie, but the rookie gets the Lion's share after week 8.
You pulled the last sentence out of that to frame my words out of context. When the scenario I mentioned was clearly in regards to Barber being an FA after the season possibly, and if so the Cowboys drafting a replacement if he wouldn't sign.You seem to pick phrases out of my posts to argue against what you think they are saying, instead of the whole quote. Because of that you argue against things I actually didn't state - since the meaning is ambiguous pulled out of context.
:lmao: Is that all you have on my delusions? Switz, I'll try to be as courteous as possible in this response.

You've flat out claimed the Cowboys have repeatedly said they don't view Barber as a starter, which they haven't done and you never provided support for the claim. I'd say his recieving a contract similar to McGahee/Turner pretty much settles that fact/opinion as wrong. Sure he needs a supplementing RB. Well, alert the media, Barber was their only RB heading into the NFL draft. Regardless, Barber is being paid like a starter, and he will be, for the foreseeable future.

You did in fact suggest the scenario that Barber would be phased out completely by a rookie as soon as week 8 of this season, and you've consistently argued that rookie would be none other than Felix Jones, even predraft. That one quote I dug up was far from your only gloom/doom prediction for Barber. In fact, when some poor schlep had the audacity to question the talent of Felix Jones, you retorted "Be prepared for a let down then. Jones could very well be the best back in this draft, and Barber could very well find himself on another team next season." That looks like a prediction to me, not some contextual ambiguity. Obviously you would not make that same statement today, but in fact you believed and attempted to peddle that Barber had one foot out the door, and that Felix Jones had a realistic shot at being a primary ballcarrier.

You pooh-poohed the reports that Barber would get a $40-$60 million dollar deal. Your words: "Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money." Your words: "The Cowboys will do everything to sign him, but they won't give him big money." You throw out that you'd heard it would be some 8-year/$30 million laugher of a contract... again, which you could not support, aside from suggesting you are the only one in the world who heard that ESPN radio report. Well, $19 million guaranteed is big money. Again, none of this was contextual ambiguity.

Even today, you have the gall to suggest this longterm contract actually helps Felix Jones. You then call me a stalker, when all I do is call you on some of the comedy you throw out there. IMHO, that's the lazy-mans defense when he doesn't want to back up his statements.

Anyway, I'm happy to place my delusion up against yours. I've never claimed 350-400 carries. I never even considered that amount. Even at 204 carries Barber has provided excellent production.

 
You've flat out claimed the Cowboys have repeatedly said they don't view Barber as a starter, which they haven't done and you never provided support for the claim. I'd say his recieving a contract similar to McGahee/Turner pretty much settles that fact/opinion as wrong. Sure he needs a supplementing RB. Well, alert the media, Barber was their only RB heading into the NFL draft. Regardless, Barber is being paid like a starter, and he will be, for the foreseeable future.
First, I did provide a link, which was to an expired article, but still the synopsis was in line with what I had stated. However, it was Parcells that said Barber was better used in a committee, not Phillips. Obviously Phillips changed his mind after Parcells left.
While fans -- and Fantasy owners have been clamoring for him to start, Herrin believes Barber remains suited to being arguably the best backup in the league. Barber leads in the NFC in rushing touchdowns with 13 (15 total) and gets the carries over Jones when it matters most in the game.

Parcells calls Barber his "closer," similar to Ottis "O.J." Anderson, who pounded opponents for the New York Giants. Barber has become the Cowboys' more effective runner, even in a season in which Jones reached 1,000 yards for the first time in his career.

"I think it's good to have a closer," Parcells said. "Whenever I've had good teams I've had a closer. ... I think Marion's in a good role. He's productive in that role pretty consistently. I think I'm going to keep it the way it is."
That was obviously when Parcells was coaching, which was a couple years ago now. When Phillips kept their roles the same, Jones starting, Barber closing, it seemed apparent that Phillips felt the same way. But I was wrong about that.
You did in fact suggest the scenario that Barber would be phased out completely by a rookie as soon as week 8 of this season, and you've consistently argued that rookie would be none other than Felix Jones, even predraft. That one quote I dug up was far from your only gloom/doom prediction for Barber. In fact, when some poor schlep had the audacity to question the talent of Felix Jones, you retorted "Be prepared for a let down then. Jones could very well be the best back in this draft, and Barber could very well find himself on another team next season." That looks like a prediction to me, not some contextual ambiguity. Obviously you would not make that same statement today, but in fact you believed and attempted to peddle that Barber had one foot out the door, and that Felix Jones had a realistic shot at being a primary ballcarrier.
And that was true, until Barber signed. I still agree that Jones may still be the best back in the draft. And if Barber had signed only the tender, we don't know what may have happened after this season.But you acknowledge I wouldn't make the claim today, because you KNOW the situation is different now. Barber is resigned now. But prior to his being resigned, especially with the stand he was reportedly taking, and the distance between parties in the negotiation, it was reasonable to project that he may enter the season on a one year tender, and if outperformed lose the starting job. Just because he signed that doesn't change what might have happened if he didn't.

You pooh-poohed the reports that Barber would get a $40-$60 million dollar deal. Your words: "Barber is an idiot if he thinks he's worth big money." Your words: "The Cowboys will do everything to sign him, but they won't give him big money." You throw out that you'd heard it would be some 8-year/$30 million laugher of a contract... again, which you could not support, aside from suggesting you are the only one in the world who heard that ESPN radio report. Well, $19 million guaranteed is big money. Again, none of this was contextual ambiguity.
Yes, and I still think he is being overpaid. But I'm not alone in that, and I'm the only one you seem to single out in regards to it. And as for the ESPN TV report, what I reported is exactly what I heard. What do you mean I "could not support" it? It was even in line with what the Dallas Morning News reported.
Even today, you have the gall to suggest this longterm contract actually helps Felix Jones.
It does, just as Barber being used in better run situations helped him. Just like MJD being used sparingly helped him. Just like DeAngelo Williams had a high YPC because he was used in better situations to run in. And I had prior to Barber signing stated that I expected Felix to be in some sort of committee regardless.
You then call me a stalker, when all I do is call you on some of the comedy you throw out there. IMHO, that's the lazy-mans defense when he doesn't want to back up his statements.
No, I call you a stalker because you came in here and singled out my post, out of all the ones negative toward Barber, to reply to.
Anyway, I'm happy to place my delusion up against yours. I've never claimed 350-400 carries. I never even considered that amount. Even at 204 carries Barber has provided excellent production.
I never argued that Barber was not productive in a limited role either.Why don't you state your prediction for Barber this year. Take a stand on something, instead of just criticizing others.

 
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