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Marion Barber to have a reduced role in 2010? (1 Viewer)

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Marion Barber to see reduced role in 2010?

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones indicated that money won't be a factor in Marion Barber returning for the 2010 season, but injury concerns could cause a change in his usage pattern.

MBIII's injuries have been of the nagging variety, but the Cowboys still haven't been able to rely on him down the stretch for two straight years. Felix Jones has earned a greater share of the early-down carries, and Tashard Choice is expected to see more time on passing downs. ESPNDallas.com's Calvin Watkins shot down a "hot rumor" that the Cowboys are shopping Barber, who is due $4M bonus on top of his $3.8M salary in 2010. Jan. 26 - 2:28 pm et

Source: Dallas Morning News

 
As a Felix owner I want Barber gone.

If I was a cowboys fan I would want him around but would want his role reduced to any other NFL team that gives the not as good RB average back up touches. He does not need to get sympathy starts and touches no longer.

Felix should get 15-20 total touches every game and if the flow of the game is one where Barber sees 1 or 2 touches due to limited series by Dallas on offense then so be it. He is a great insurance policy, as he could fill in and play well as a starter if Felix was to get injured, but I think most people can see the type of back Felix can be in a more featured role.

 
Can't see the Cowboys shelling out 7.8 million for him.
Dallas doesn't have any glaring needs this offseason, and have enough cap to sign one player over 5 million I believe I saw somewhere. Wade got his extension, Dallas plans to roll out next season with the same exact cast as this one (plus a few rookies, and maybe a FA or 2) and make a SB run. Now, if Dallas fails to make playoffs or make it only to be exitted in the 1st round...then I could see Wade and Barber both gone after next season. But for now, they have a solid 3 RB attack that helped their offense tremendously this season. They won't break that if they are not forced to, and they are cap-strapped. Barber will be a Cowboy in 2010, his role remains to be seen however. I'd expect a similar role to the Julius Jones / Marion Barber era. Felix gets most the "big play" plays, and Barber gets the goaline and short-yardage carries.
 
A lot of folks actually expected that to happen this past year. But it didnt materialize until late in the season. There are so many things that could change between now and Week 1, its almost useless to speculate right now.

 
I'd expect a similar role to the Julius Jones / Marion Barber era. Felix gets most the "big play" plays, and Barber gets the goaline and short-yardage carries.
I could see this, though Felix is light years ahead of Julius in overall talent IMO - I could seeing him put up some pretty good numbers even if he doesn't get 20+ touches a game.
 
Can't see the Cowboys shelling out 7.8 million for him.
Dallas doesn't have any glaring needs this offseason, and have enough cap to sign one player over 5 million I believe I saw somewhere. Wade got his extension, Dallas plans to roll out next season with the same exact cast as this one (plus a few rookies, and maybe a FA or 2) and make a SB run. Now, if Dallas fails to make playoffs or make it only to be exitted in the 1st round...then I could see Wade and Barber both gone after next season. But for now, they have a solid 3 RB attack that helped their offense tremendously this season. They won't break that if they are not forced to, and they are cap-strapped. Barber will be a Cowboy in 2010, his role remains to be seen however. I'd expect a similar role to the Julius Jones / Marion Barber era. Felix gets most the "big play" plays, and Barber gets the goaline and short-yardage carries.
There is no cap next year.
 
Can't see the Cowboys shelling out 7.8 million for him.
Dallas doesn't have any glaring needs this offseason, and have enough cap to sign one player over 5 million I believe I saw somewhere. Wade got his extension, Dallas plans to roll out next season with the same exact cast as this one (plus a few rookies, and maybe a FA or 2) and make a SB run. Now, if Dallas fails to make playoffs or make it only to be exitted in the 1st round...then I could see Wade and Barber both gone after next season. But for now, they have a solid 3 RB attack that helped their offense tremendously this season. They won't break that if they are not forced to, and they are cap-strapped. Barber will be a Cowboy in 2010, his role remains to be seen however. I'd expect a similar role to the Julius Jones / Marion Barber era. Felix gets most the "big play" plays, and Barber gets the goaline and short-yardage carries.
There is no cap next year.
Is that a 100% accurate statement?
 
Can't see the Cowboys shelling out 7.8 million for him.
Dallas doesn't have any glaring needs this offseason, and have enough cap to sign one player over 5 million I believe I saw somewhere. Wade got his extension, Dallas plans to roll out next season with the same exact cast as this one (plus a few rookies, and maybe a FA or 2) and make a SB run. Now, if Dallas fails to make playoffs or make it only to be exitted in the 1st round...then I could see Wade and Barber both gone after next season. But for now, they have a solid 3 RB attack that helped their offense tremendously this season. They won't break that if they are not forced to, and they are cap-strapped. Barber will be a Cowboy in 2010, his role remains to be seen however. I'd expect a similar role to the Julius Jones / Marion Barber era. Felix gets most the "big play" plays, and Barber gets the goaline and short-yardage carries.
There is no cap next year.
Is that a 100% accurate statement?
As of March it will be.I don't see anything getting done before then to change things.

As for Barber, I'm sure the Cowboys will be exploring their options.

Felix Jones will be the starter this coming season. There is no question in my mind. He's ready.

How they plan to back him up in regards to Barber and Choice remains to be seen.

 
I can't see them trading him. Who wants to pay that kind of money for Barber plus give up a pick? Good luck with that. My bet is if he isn't on the Cowboys next year it's because he was cut, not because he was traded.

btw - I was looking up his stats for something else and I was really surprised that after 5 years he still hasn't rushed for 1000 yds in a single season.

 
MB3 is a great runner who has hurt his rep by playing hurt when he should have sat out to get healthy. I was pushing for them to trade him last season and now his value is down on the trade market. I see all 3 back as RB's tend to get hurt so unless they get a great offer he'll return to what may be a ride the hot hand system next year.

 
As an owner, I'd like to see him go back to the role he played when Julius Jones was there. The closing/goalline role presented great FF value. If not, I'd definitely like to see him with another team. He's a great RB, but the Felix hype overshadows him.

 
As an owner, I'd like to see him go back to the role he played when Julius Jones was there. The closing/goalline role presented great FF value. If not, I'd definitely like to see him with another team. He's a great RB, but the Felix hype overshadows him.
I respectfully disagree. There is nothing about Barber that says great to me. If you changed that to great role player than perhaps you may have me. He could never be featured in an NFL offense as far as RB's are concerened. He was always just a good RB that ran hard and broke some tackles and his high number of TD's allowed him to cash in on a big pay day when in hindsight it was a bad signing for the Cowboys. At the time not so bad, but as of right now he is an over paid RB.
 
As an owner, I'd like to see him go back to the role he played when Julius Jones was there. The closing/goalline role presented great FF value. If not, I'd definitely like to see him with another team. He's a great RB, but the Felix hype overshadows him.
So would I...had his best year in that role.
 
Marion Barber to see reduced role in 2010?

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones indicated that money won't be a factor in Marion Barber returning for the 2010 season, but injury concerns could cause a change in his usage pattern.

MBIII's injuries have been of the nagging variety, but the Cowboys still haven't been able to rely on him down the stretch for two straight years. Felix Jones has earned a greater share of the early-down carries, and Tashard Choice is expected to see more time on passing downs. ESPNDallas.com's Calvin Watkins shot down a "hot rumor" that the Cowboys are shopping Barber, who is due $4M bonus on top of his $3.8M salary in 2010. Jan. 26 - 2:28 pm et

Source: Dallas Morning News
Hasn't Felix Jones had a whole heap of nagging injuries himself? I'm a Jones owner in a dynasty league and if I'm the Cowboys and I can afford to keep both (as well as Choice), I think that's the best call to make as they make up a great rotation. Both Jones and Barber seem to have a tendency to get nicked up. It only makes sense to keep a stable of backs, if they can afford it, to mitigate these risks.

 
MB3 is a great runner
He's a great RB, but the Felix hype overshadows him.
How FF clouds the minds of people. Barber isn't a GREAT RB by any stretch. He's a tough runner, plays hard, punishes people, but he's not very talented. He needs to play his heart out to make up for his lack of talent. Problem is, playing that way leads to injury. In order for Barber to be successful, he needs to be used sparingly. He's not feature back material, he's 3rd down and GL material. Terribly overrated due to a few seasons ago when he scored 14 TDs...
Hasn't Felix Jones had a whole heap of nagging injuries himself?
Jones has had two injuries in his NFL career, the first knocked him out 10 games, the second two games. Barber has had injury after injury after injury, including the quad, the toe, the ribs, etc. all of which allowed him to play, albeit terribly.I don't think Jones is injury prone, what he is, is young. Even after this season he's younger than most RBs are when they enter the NFL. Next season he'll be 23, and he'll be starting, and he'll tear it up, and Barber SHOULD be limited to 3rd down and GL work IF he's still with Dallas.

 
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switz said:
MB3 is a great runner
He's a great RB, but the Felix hype overshadows him.
How FF clouds the minds of people. Barber isn't a GREAT RB by any stretch. He's a tough runner, plays hard, punishes people, but he's not very talented. He needs to play his heart out to make up for his lack of talent. Problem is, playing that way leads to injury. In order for Barber to be successful, he needs to be used sparingly. He's not feature back material, he's 3rd down and GL material. Terribly overrated due to a few seasons ago when he scored 14 TDs...
Sack-Religious said:
Hasn't Felix Jones had a whole heap of nagging injuries himself?
Jones has had two injuries in his NFL career, the first knocked him out 10 games, the second two games. Barber has had injury after injury after injury, including the quad, the toe, the ribs, etc. all of which allowed him to play, albeit terribly.I don't think Jones is injury prone, what he is, is young. Even after this season he's younger than most RBs are when they enter the NFL. Next season he'll be 23, and he'll be starting, and he'll tear it up, and Barber SHOULD be limited to 3rd down and GL work IF he's still with Dallas.
I'm really not interested if you think Barber is great or not. IMO, he is. Anyone who visits these boards knows your extreme man-love for Felix, so this makes you extremely biased. It doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
 
A couple years ago he ran harder than anyone else in the league.

Doesn't even look like the same guy when I watch him nowadays.

 
MB3 is a great runner
He's a great RB, but the Felix hype overshadows him.
How FF clouds the minds of people. Barber isn't a GREAT RB by any stretch. He's a tough runner, plays hard, punishes people, but he's not very talented. He needs to play his heart out to make up for his lack of talent. Problem is, playing that way leads to injury. In order for Barber to be successful, he needs to be used sparingly. He's not feature back material, he's 3rd down and GL material. Terribly overrated due to a few seasons ago when he scored 14 TDs...
Hasn't Felix Jones had a whole heap of nagging injuries himself?
Jones has had two injuries in his NFL career, the first knocked him out 10 games, the second two games. Barber has had injury after injury after injury, including the quad, the toe, the ribs, etc. all of which allowed him to play, albeit terribly.I don't think Jones is injury prone, what he is, is young. Even after this season he's younger than most RBs are when they enter the NFL. Next season he'll be 23, and he'll be starting, and he'll tear it up, and Barber SHOULD be limited to 3rd down and GL work IF he's still with Dallas.
I'm really not interested if you think Barber is great or not. IMO, he is. Anyone who visits these boards knows your extreme man-love for Felix, so this makes you extremely biased. It doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
Although I don't think he Barber is a great RB, and you may be right that Switz has a huge man crush on Felix. Switz at least gives analysis, statistics and such to help prove his point. I would be curious to know why anyone would view Barber as great.
 
How FF clouds the minds of people. Barber isn't a GREAT RB by any stretch. He's a tough runner, plays hard, punishes people, but he's not very talented. He needs to play his heart out to make up for his lack of talent. Problem is, playing that way leads to injury. In order for Barber to be successful, he needs to be used sparingly. He's not feature back material, he's 3rd down and GL material. Terribly overrated due to a few seasons ago when he scored 14 TDs...
You always come back to this "talent" argument as if the only thing which leads to success in the NFL is how much "talent" someone has. Why is playing hard, running ferociously, and running his heart out not a talent?"Talent" is this buzz word you use to always describe Felix Jones, because he hasn't had much success yet. I don't care how much "talent" someone has or doesn't have or if you think a RB's effort is not considered "talent", it all comes down to results. Felix Jones may be talented as heck but if it doesn't translate into results, then who cares how much "talent" he has?
 
A lot of folks actually expected that to happen this past year. But it didnt materialize until late in the season. There are so many things that could change between now and Week 1, its almost useless to speculate right now.
Lot's could change...you are right.I was not one of the people who expected him gone year due to his signing bonus and affect on the cap. However, I did say that he would be gone in a year or two. The time has come. Choice is as good as Barber and a tenth of the cost. Dallas will likely see if the can get a pick for Barber. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a 4th or 5th rounder.I say he is gone.
 
How FF clouds the minds of people. Barber isn't a GREAT RB by any stretch. He's a tough runner, plays hard, punishes people, but he's not very talented. He needs to play his heart out to make up for his lack of talent. Problem is, playing that way leads to injury. In order for Barber to be successful, he needs to be used sparingly. He's not feature back material, he's 3rd down and GL material. Terribly overrated due to a few seasons ago when he scored 14 TDs...
You always come back to this "talent" argument as if the only thing which leads to success in the NFL is how much "talent" someone has. Why is playing hard, running ferociously, and running his heart out not a talent?"Talent" is this buzz word you use to always describe Felix Jones, because he hasn't had much success yet.

I don't care how much "talent" someone has or doesn't have or if you think a RB's effort is not considered "talent", it all comes down to results. Felix Jones may be talented as heck but if it doesn't translate into results, then who cares how much "talent" he has?
Looks like it's translating on the field to me :D I believe Jones is showing us that he's a future stud as soon as 2010.
 
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Anyone who visits these boards knows your extreme man-love for Felix, so this makes you extremely biased. It doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
It also doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.FYI - my opinion on Barber far precedes Felix being drafted or even being available for the draft.

 
"Talent" is this buzz word you use to always describe Felix Jones, because he hasn't had much success yet.

I don't care how much "talent" someone has or doesn't have or if you think a RB's effort is not considered "talent", it all comes down to results. Felix Jones may be talented as heck but if it doesn't translate into results, then who cares how much "talent" he has?
I'm guessing you think 140+ yards in a playoff game isn't "success", or averaging 5.9 YPC isn't "success"...As for "talent" - I'm not the only one who uses talent to describe Felix. Talent is a differentiator in the NFL. If you can see talent, then you can spot players that are going to rise above the average RB mold.

And if you want to talk "success" - how many times has Barber rushed for 1,000 yards? Never. Felix hasn't either, I concur, but he's had far fewer opportunities to do so, and looks much more likely to do so than Barber. :lol:

 
Let me rephrase my statement then, Barber is a great RB when used in the proper role, but that goes with any RB that is used correctly to his strengths. I'm not enamored with Barber, but I've owned both he and Jones. Barber has produced much more than Jones. I know that Jones has been in the league only 2 years, but the only thing he's shown in that time is that he can get hurt and he can come in at the end of the year with fresh legs and produce. I drafted him in both of my redrafts this year as my rb4. I wouldn't draft him any higher going into this next year regardless if he starts or not. His value will be too high, and I'll let someone else draft him. From what I've seen he looks electrifying, but what does that matter if he's hurt. He's very reminiscent of Kevin Jones. Jones had a world of talent, but freak injuries have limited him. Felix looks to be in the same boat. Both just don't seem to be very conditioned athletes.

 
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The playoffs was the start of the ride with Felix Jones.

It's up to him to train hard this off-season and get ready for 15-20 carries and inside running added in with the usual outside speed game.

What impressed me was the hands Felix showed in the pass game. He looked very natural catching the ball after some questions in that area.

He also runs inside hard and usually falls forward.

He also consistently gets to the 2nd level, so I expect a pile of long runs that could turn into TD's very easily.

Can't wait to see Felix in 2010.

 
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