Mark Ingram vs. Trent Richardson (1 Viewer)

[offdee]

It's pretty clear to me that these are the top two NFL RB prospects in the nation.

This can't happen as Richardson isn't eligible this coming Draft, but hypothetially... who would be the first RB chosen if their body of college work ended today and both were in the same upcoming draft class?

Would it be a Ronnie Brown/Cadillac Williams scenario where both go very close and very high in the draft (both top 10 picks)? If so, who would be the more coveted back by majority of teams?

Or, would it be a Darren McFadden/Felix Jones scenario where one goes very high 1st and one late 1st?

 

[Arizona Ron]

Whats your scale for ranking RBs 1-10?

 

[coltsnut]

I like Richardson. He seems like a more complete RB to me and is great at making guys miss and getting the extra yard after contact. Ingram is more of a straight ahead runner with a nose for the endzone.

If I had to choose, I'd take Richardson over Ingram.

 

[Concept Coop]

I like Richardson. He seems like a more complete RB to me and is great at making guys miss and getting the extra yard after contact. Ingram is more of a straight ahead runner with a nose for the endzone. If I had to choose, I'd take Richardson over Ingram.

I think you're way off, or have them confused. Richardson is the athletic freak, who is still a bit raw. Ingram does everything well, and uses his amazing vision and balance to cut on a dime, finding extra yards. Ingram is closer to a Ray Rice, Emmitt Smith type back. Richardson reminds me of Jonathan Stewart. Both would go 1st round. I like Ingram, if the draft was today. But I think when Richardson is drafted, after carrying the full load, he could very well go higher, and be a better prospect than Ingram this year.

 

[Blackjacks]

I like Richardson alot but I think Ingram has a chance to be very special in the NFL. Like the above posted stated, he reminds me so much of Emmitt. The way he runs, his vision and his balance. When I watch Richardson I see Ahmad Bradshaw. He runs alittle upright and seems he is going to get hurt every play cause of how physical he runs.

I agree do to there college stats that they will both be 1st round pick and I do think Ingram comes out this year sue to Richardson starting to draw attention away from him.

 

[offdee]

My opinion:

Both are going to be very high picks.

You know exactly what you are getting with Ingram....a very instinctual runner with an overall terrific skill-set. He has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Richardson. I have no doubt he'll be a productive NFL starting RB.

With Richardson it's more about getting a freak of nature with a limitless upside. Right now he doesn't have the same level of vision or shiftiness that Ingram has, but there will be many GM's that think with maturation this can be taught. His power, size and speed combo combined with above average receiving skills is something that doesn't come around often. (note: his speed isn't off the charts, but paired with his strength/size is more than adequate).

GM's always get enamored with measureables and "upside" and with that feel that Richardson would be the first RB chosen in the draft between the two.

 

[Concept Coop]

My opinion:Both are going to be very high picks. You know exactly what you are getting with Ingram....a very instinctual runner with an overall terrific skill-set. He has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Richardson. I have no doubt he'll be a productive NFL starting RB.With Richardson it's more about getting a freak of nature with a limitless upside. Right now he doesn't have the same level of vision or shiftiness that Ingram has, but there will be many GM's that think with maturation this can be taught. His power, size and speed combo combined with above average receiving skills is something that doesn't come around often. (note: his speed isn't off the charts, but paired with his strength/size is more than adequate). GM's always get enamored with measureables and "upside" and with that feel that Richardson would be the first RB chosen in the draft between the two.

I have no idea what his 40 time will look like. But he looks blazing fast on TV. 4.45? REALLY fast for a man his size.

 

[offdee]

I have no idea what his 40 time will look like. But he looks blazing fast on TV. 4.45? REALLY fast for a man his size.

I'd venture to guess that both Ingram and Richardson will probably time out in the speed department relatively close. I think 4.45 range is probably fair guess for both. Niether are true burners, but both have above average game speed.Where Richardson is going to shine is in the strength testing. He's off the charts in the weight room.

 

[Clifford]

As someone who has watched both of them play every snap at Bama, I find this thread a little amusing. I think both have top 5 NFL potential.

Not to be overlooked is both have been coached exclusively by Saban. Do not take your eyes off either one in fantasy drafts.

 

[moderated]

Richardson.

Ingram is very good but Richardson can be AD like.

 

[offdee]

As someone who has watched both of them play every snap at Bama, I find this thread a little amusing. I think both have top 5 NFL potential.

That's kind of the point of the thread.Both are special, but which one is more special? The Dolphins had to somehow prioritize Ronnie Brown over Cadillac Williams in 2005. If YOU were an NFL GM starting a franchise from scratch and had both of these RB's on the board, which one would you choose?

 

[jurb26]

I like both RBs a TON and really you can't loose no matter who you end up with IMO. Both guys are destined to be great NFL RBs. The fantasy aspect of things will probably only depend on luck of the draw, who ends up in a better situation once in the NFL. With that said, I like Ingram more right now. We've seen a much more robust body of work from him and seen him handle a full load for a duration of the season. I think he has better vision and is more agile in his cuts. Both guys break tackles like they are playing the 1993 version of Madden and you are controlling Barry Sanders. It's simply ridiculous watching either of these guys trying to be tackled by college players. Even the guys in the SEC. Richardson could develop into the better prospect and he surely has the talent to become better than Ingram. As it stands now however that is all based on potential and not actual results. There is no guarantee that Richardson will develop enough to pass Ingram up and even if he does pass him it would be by a marginal amount because Ingram is so good himself.

 

[Clifford]

As someone who has watched both of them play every snap at Bama, I find this thread a little amusing. I think both have top 5 NFL potential.

That's kind of the point of the thread.Both are special, but which one is more special? The Dolphins had to somehow prioritize Ronnie Brown over Cadillac Williams in 2005. If YOU were an NFL GM starting a franchise from scratch and had both of these RB's on the board, which one would you choose?

Bottom line it's a really tough call. Here is the main difference between the two:Ingram is tailor made for a one-cut-and-go system. If I was running a system like that I would probably take Ingram. He's powerful, fast, great at breaking tackles, has a killer stiff arm, and basically has about as complete skillset as you could ask for for that type system. Ingram is better than Richardson at finishing runs and getting more yards after contact, and is great at breaking tackles too.The main difference between Ingram and Richardson is cutting ability. Though much has been made of Richardson's workout routines, I wouldn't say he's any more powerful a runner than Ingram, nor would I say he's significantly less powerful. The difference in their ability and playing styles all comes down to quick cuts and redirection.Richardson kills Ingram when it comes to cuts and change of direction. He has skills in this area that Ingram simply doesn't possess. Despite being 225 and an extremely powerful runner, Richardson can move as well as some of his 200-pound colleagues. That is not to say he has the breakaway speed of Jahvid Best or Chris Johnson, but in traffic I have seen him lay down some sick, ankle breaking cuts that have made good defenders look silly.Now before everyone takes that as a home-run for Richardson, having that quick cutting ability has made Richardson less decisive than Ingram at times, and has led him to some runs for loss that Ingram would have made a gain simply because he knows he can't dance. I don't see it being a major problem as he knows he can lower the shoulder as well, I'm just trying to point out that both have a different style to them, which in some cases makes Ingram the better back and in some cases makes Richardson better.So if I was an owner and didn't know which type system I wanted to run, I'd pick Richardson. The first time I saw him run as a freshman I turned to everyone in the room and said that's a hall of fame running back right there. His combination of strength, size, and cutting ability is rare enough that he really could be compared to some names I won't mention here. However, I do have some gnawing doubt that tells me that for some reason I can't really put my finger on, Richardson has higher bust potential.I wouldn't hesitate to spend a 1st overall on either in dynasty.

 

[Mistabishi]

this is off-season talk when nobody has anything to talk about. enjoy the football season while its here cuz it will be gone before you know it

 

[gary mexico]

It's pretty clear to me that these are the top two NFL RB prospects in the nation.

This can't happen as Richardson isn't eligible this coming Draft, but hypothetially... who would be the first RB chosen if their body of college work ended today and both were in the same upcoming draft class?

Would it be a Ronnie Brown/Cadillac Williams scenario where both go very close and very high in the draft (both top 10 picks)? If so, who would be the more coveted back by majority of teams?

Or, would it be a Darren McFadden/Felix Jones scenario where one goes very high 1st and one late 1st?

I have both in a dynasty league.

 

[offdee]

Just turned 19 yrs old a couple months ago. Good lord.

http://footballnetwork.files.wordpress.com.../12/f563934.jpg

 

[Clifford]

He's a monster no doubt.

 

[Vision6]

T Rich is going to be an uberstud

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I wish they were coming out at the same time because Richardson gets too much love and I'd have a better chance of getting Ingram.

 

[Max Power]

My opinion:Both are going to be very high picks. You know exactly what you are getting with Ingram....a very instinctual runner with an overall terrific skill-set. He has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Richardson. I have no doubt he'll be a productive NFL starting RB.With Richardson it's more about getting a freak of nature with a limitless upside. Right now he doesn't have the same level of vision or shiftiness that Ingram has, but there will be many GM's that think with maturation this can be taught. His power, size and speed combo combined with above average receiving skills is something that doesn't come around often. (note: his speed isn't off the charts, but paired with his strength/size is more than adequate). GM's always get enamored with measureables and "upside" and with that feel that Richardson would be the first RB chosen in the draft between the two.

excellent post... Richardson has the gift, But Ingram is by far the better runningback of the two right now. Ingram has better vision and knows how to set up and read his blockers. Vision is just one of those things that I dont think you can teach a player. For that reason, you HAVE TO rank Ingram ahead of TRich.

 

[Clifford]

My opinion:Both are going to be very high picks. You know exactly what you are getting with Ingram....a very instinctual runner with an overall terrific skill-set. He has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Richardson. I have no doubt he'll be a productive NFL starting RB.With Richardson it's more about getting a freak of nature with a limitless upside. Right now he doesn't have the same level of vision or shiftiness that Ingram has, but there will be many GM's that think with maturation this can be taught. His power, size and speed combo combined with above average receiving skills is something that doesn't come around often. (note: his speed isn't off the charts, but paired with his strength/size is more than adequate). GM's always get enamored with measureables and "upside" and with that feel that Richardson would be the first RB chosen in the draft between the two.

excellent post... Richardson has the gift, But Ingram is by far the better runningback of the two right now. Ingram has better vision and knows how to set up and read his blockers. Vision is just one of those things that I dont think you can teach a player. For that reason, you HAVE TO rank Ingram ahead of TRich.

I don't agree with this.

 

[Max Power]

My opinion:Both are going to be very high picks. You know exactly what you are getting with Ingram....a very instinctual runner with an overall terrific skill-set. He has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Richardson. I have no doubt he'll be a productive NFL starting RB.With Richardson it's more about getting a freak of nature with a limitless upside. Right now he doesn't have the same level of vision or shiftiness that Ingram has, but there will be many GM's that think with maturation this can be taught. His power, size and speed combo combined with above average receiving skills is something that doesn't come around often. (note: his speed isn't off the charts, but paired with his strength/size is more than adequate). GM's always get enamored with measureables and "upside" and with that feel that Richardson would be the first RB chosen in the draft between the two.

excellent post... Richardson has the gift, But Ingram is by far the better runningback of the two right now. Ingram has better vision and knows how to set up and read his blockers. Vision is just one of those things that I dont think you can teach a player. For that reason, you HAVE TO rank Ingram ahead of TRich.

I don't agree with this.

If I had to pick one back today, it would be Ingram. That doesn't mean that TRich cant be far superior, but I need to see more before I start talking TRich and HOF in the same sentence.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'd have to go with Richardson, as his ceiling is higher IMO.

 

[jbz]

ESPNs take:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5580058

 

[offdee]

ESPNs take:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5580058

Summary:- McShay: Right now Ingram is the better pure-running prospect.

- Kiper Jr: Avoided the question with ramblings that both are great.

 

[ttea]

Gotta admit, I haven't seen many Bama games. But I've seen tons of highlights, if I had to choose one now it would have to be Ingram. Richardson's style and ability right now reminds of an Eddie George type, not slow, but not shifty either and makes a lot of contact with defenders, he doesn't seem to make very good cuts side ways.

Ingram seems like he can do it it all. Shifty, quick makes great cuts and can truck defenders if he needs to. And better break away speed. Ingram seems to have much better vision too. He seems to anticipate where defenders will be. Richardson runs straight into defenders and sometimes his on blockers it seems like.

Still an unfair comparison at this point, Richardson may very well be the better back. But as of right now, give me Ingram.

 

[Clifford]

My opinion:Both are going to be very high picks. You know exactly what you are getting with Ingram....a very instinctual runner with an overall terrific skill-set. He has a lower ceiling, but higher floor than Richardson. I have no doubt he'll be a productive NFL starting RB.With Richardson it's more about getting a freak of nature with a limitless upside. Right now he doesn't have the same level of vision or shiftiness that Ingram has, but there will be many GM's that think with maturation this can be taught. His power, size and speed combo combined with above average receiving skills is something that doesn't come around often. (note: his speed isn't off the charts, but paired with his strength/size is more than adequate). GM's always get enamored with measureables and "upside" and with that feel that Richardson would be the first RB chosen in the draft between the two.

excellent post... Richardson has the gift, But Ingram is by far the better runningback of the two right now. Ingram has better vision and knows how to set up and read his blockers. Vision is just one of those things that I dont think you can teach a player. For that reason, you HAVE TO rank Ingram ahead of TRich.

I don't agree with this.

If I had to pick one back today, it would be Ingram. That doesn't mean that TRich cant be far superior, but I need to see more before I start talking TRich and HOF in the same sentence.

I don't disagree with taking Ingram first, but I think both have excellent vision. Just manifests in different ways given the difference in their running styles.

 

[Clifford]

Gotta admit, I haven't seen many Bama games. But I've seen tons of highlights, if I had to choose one now it would have to be Ingram. Richardson's style and ability right now reminds of an Eddie George type, not slow, but not shifty either and makes a lot of contact with defenders, he doesn't seem to make very good cuts side ways. Ingram seems like he can do it it all. Shifty, quick makes great cuts and can truck defenders if he needs to. And better break away speed. Ingram seems to have much better vision too. He seems to anticipate where defenders will be. Richardson runs straight into defenders and sometimes his on blockers it seems like.Still an unfair comparison at this point, Richardson may very well be the better back. But as of right now, give me Ingram.

I think you're getting them mixed up. Richardson is much shiftier and nimble than Ingram. Richardson makes excellent cuts.

 

[ttea]

Gotta admit, I haven't seen many Bama games. But I've seen tons of highlights, if I had to choose one now it would have to be Ingram. Richardson's style and ability right now reminds of an Eddie George type, not slow, but not shifty either and makes a lot of contact with defenders, he doesn't seem to make very good cuts side ways. Ingram seems like he can do it it all. Shifty, quick makes great cuts and can truck defenders if he needs to. And better break away speed. Ingram seems to have much better vision too. He seems to anticipate where defenders will be. Richardson runs straight into defenders and sometimes his on blockers it seems like.Still an unfair comparison at this point, Richardson may very well be the better back. But as of right now, give me Ingram.

I think you're getting them mixed up. Richardson is much shiftier and nimble than Ingram. Richardson makes excellent cuts.

Like I said, I'm basing this on highlights really, I don't see many Bama games, and it sure doesn't look that way.

 

[coolnerd]

Think this is ultimate 9.5 redhead with the great bottom versus the 9.5 blonde with the great rack argument, where the one I choose is not exactly lacking the "weaker" area.

For me, I think that Ingram has better pure football skill and he would be my choice, but it is not like I would think that I am settling with Richardson.

 

[Balco]

Both are going to be great pros, but I vote Ingram. Just amazing, he has the perfect build for a back. Low to the ground with an extremely powerful lower body. If defenders don't square up he just runs right through the tackle attempts.

 

[Phlash]

Think this is ultimate 9.5 redhead with the great bottom versus the 9.5 blonde with the great rack argument, where the one I choose is not exactly lacking the "weaker" area. For me, I think that Ingram has better pure football skill and he would be my choice, but it is not like I would think that I am settling with Richardson.

Can we agree that the redhead at least has a "good" rack and the blonde has a "good" bottom?

 

[coolnerd]

Think this is ultimate 9.5 redhead with the great bottom versus the 9.5 blonde with the great rack argument, where the one I choose is not exactly lacking the "weaker" area. For me, I think that Ingram has better pure football skill and he would be my choice, but it is not like I would think that I am settling with Richardson.

Can we agree that the redhead at least has a "good" rack and the blonde has a "good" bottom?

I thought we already had, but I agree.

 

[MAC_32]

Richardson's a freak with limitless upside, but right now Ingram is the better running back. Right now I'd take Ingram, in 3 years? Depends how Richardson develops, but since Ingram's at worst going to be very good I'll go unconventional (for me anyway) and take the safe route with Ingram.

Richardson's a very close 2nd, and I'm much happier having nabbed him at pick 5 in a college taxi squad draft this past summer because it got me Andrew Luck in round 2.

 

[Max Power]

I only saw the last 10 mins of this game, but the stats were ugly. What happened? So.Car came to play huh?

 

[jurb26]

I only saw the last 10 mins of this game, but the stats were ugly. What happened? So.Car came to play huh?

S. Carolina came to play, no doubt. I watched the entire game and Alabama wasn't able to have success running the ball early and when S. Carolina took the lead and momentum of the game they seemed to abandon the run. I haven't looked at the stats but I don't think Ingram and Richardson had 20 carries between the 2 of them. To me that is a travesty in a game like yesterdays. I think it was a combination of 2 things: 1. S. Carolina came to play and they have a great/talented D. 2. Alabama didn't stick with the run and probably regrets how they handled the play calling today.

 

[de Tocqueville]

Mark Ingram -- a much better pass protector.

 

[Max Power]

I only saw the last 10 mins of this game, but the stats were ugly. What happened? So.Car came to play huh?

S. Carolina came to play, no doubt. I watched the entire game and Alabama wasn't able to have success running the ball early and when S. Carolina took the lead and momentum of the game they seemed to abandon the run. I haven't looked at the stats but I don't think Ingram and Richardson had 20 carries between the 2 of them. To me that is a travesty in a game like yesterdays. I think it was a combination of 2 things: 1. S. Carolina came to play and they have a great/talented D. 2. Alabama didn't stick with the run and probably regrets how they handled the play calling today.

RushingM. Ingram 11 41 3.7 0 T. Richardson 6 23 3.8 0 ReceivingM. Ingram 4 16 4.0 0 T. Richardson 2 12 6.0 0

 

[offdee]

Mark Ingram -- a much better pass protector.

I don't agree with this. I'm sure you're basing this statement off of his one whiff of a S. Carolina Dback yesterday which wasn't good for sure. But, usually Richardson is stoning guys on pass protection.

 

[CaptainHook]

ingram is a great, complete rb. mid to late first round.

richardson is a spectacular, incomplete rb. top 10 pick.

 

[Routilla]

Both got dominated yesterday. Adjust your rankings accordingly.

 

[Duke1948]

2. Alabama didn't stick with the run and probably regrets how they handled the play calling today.

while i think bama would rethink how they called the game, not sure i go along with the abondoning the run....1st Q bama had 7 rush--9 pass....6 plays in the first drive were pass, what USC's D was giving them.2nd Q bama had 10 rush--12 passthey had 37 yds rush in 1st half....got to remember sacks are taken off rush total and USC has 8 for the game.on the side...what do you think of Alshon Jeffery and Marcus Lattimore?

 

[Routilla]

2. Alabama didn't stick with the run and probably regrets how they handled the play calling today.

while i think bama would rethink how they called the game, not sure i go along with the abondoning the run....1st Q bama had 7 rush--9 pass....6 plays in the first drive were pass, what USC's D was giving them.

2nd Q bama had 10 rush--12 pass

they had 37 yds rush in 1st half....got to remember sacks are taken off rush total and USC has 8 for the game.

on the side...what do you think of Alshon Jeffery and Marcus Lattimore?

The question is when does he enter the draft? Gotta like this kid though.

 

[FantasyCommish]

Both are great backs. Yesterday was an off day for the Tide. No regular season SEC losses in 2 years? They were due and Spurrier had an extra week to game plan. No excuses, they got beat. The O-Line looked horrible.

Back to Richardson and Ingram- I would take Ingram. Great vision, great power, GREAT balance, and solid leadership. BUT- as someone stated before, he needs to go to a 1 cut and go system.

Richardson is no slouch. He squats 600+ pounds. When he gets more carries (after Ingram leaves), he very well could be a monster. My concern with him is that at his weight and as violent as he runs, when he does become an every down back, can his knees take it. 220+ pounds with his running style makes for a short career, even though he has not had injury trouble to date. He just runs violently. Great to watch, but it will eventually take it's toll.

The difference between the two, to this Bama fan, is that Ingram has a certain patience about him, the way he sets his blocks up, that is just special.

My two pennies, FWIW.

 

[el-gato-grande]

Thank god they are not coming out together so we won't have to chose.

 

[Desert_Power]

I only saw the last 10 mins of this game, but the stats were ugly. What happened? So.Car came to play huh?

USC made Spiller worthless at the end of last year too. Ellis Johnson seems good at shutting down things the second time he sees them, I wouldn't put too much stock in yesterday's performance for these two great prospects.

 

[TitusIII]

Ingram has all the things you can't teach, to go along with the talent to be a workhorse NFL back, Richardson has elite talent as well, but is a bit raw. For now, I think 95% of NFL GM's take Ingram and don't think twice, as he could come in and start for half of the league today, imo...Richardson isn't ready, time will tell...

Bama's QB is pretty much a poor man's Trent Dilfer, and probably wont get a sniff from the Arena League, if they had a guy who could utilize all the of talents of the Bama WR's, nobody in the NCAA would come within 3 TD's of this team, imo...but no team is perfect, and USC deserves a ton of praise for pulling the upset.

 

[moderated]

To all those who picked Ingram, it's time to turn in your shark/hawk/hippo cards.

 

[shnikies]

To all those who picked Ingram, it's time to turn in your shark/hawk/hippo cards.

To all those that judge a player's career on 85 carries should rethink how they judge.

 

[moderated]

To all those who picked Ingram, it's time to turn in your shark/hawk/hippo cards.

To all those that judge a player's career on 85 carries should rethink how they judge.

Ingram might have a decent career, but he has never been on the same talent level as Richardson.One is an elite talent, the other is an above average talent, in the NFL that makes a world of difference.It was clear when this post was made and it's even more clear now to anyone with an ounce of talent evaluation ability.