Darryl Talley
Footballguy
For God's sake...
This entire thread is going to be a burning mass of disappointment in about 48 hours for the rest of the year
Nice trickery. Hope they lose making these stupid decisions. I own Ingram, but at least have THomas in there if not Ingram. Sheesh.3rd and 1 and they rush Sproles up the middle for -1. Brilliant.
cause Ingram would have gotten -3?3rd and 1 and they rush Sproles up the middle for -1. Brilliant.
Stat lines mean everything, don't they?He's almost at 3YPC today. STUD.
2 of his 4 carries were at the goal there ace.So many people ITT rush to say, see I was right at the first chance. With the play calling who knows when we will figure out exactly what Ingram is and what he is not.He's almost at 3YPC today. STUD.
This was supposed to be his game. Carolina give's it up on the ground - instead we saw what the Saints want to do and that is use Ingram has a short yardage and complimentary back.He's not the bread and butter of this offence as many claimed he would be.I'm pretty bitter and I am highly invested in Ingram as well.he has a really easy schedule coming up and with my bye weeks coming up he still has value to me. that being said i gonna see if i can sell high and package with a good wr for a rb upgrade
Ingram looked good today, showed great power and lowered his pads. Made yardage where there was none. I was impressed.Having said that, he's not a great fantasy player right now. Too many mouths to feed on this team.So, only 9 of the Saints' 28 carries went to Ingram today. He got the TD to salvage his fantasy day, but they looked to a lot of other guys in the red zone and at the goal line and really seemed focused on forcing the ball to Sproles. Ingram looked okay on his carries, but averaged just 3.6 yards per rush, so that's not exactly going to force Payton's hand to expand his role.Worst of all, the game script seemed to set up well for a heavy dose of Ingram. The Saints led most of the way, but never by that much. On the road, it was the perfect scenario to grind it out with your workhorse. Instead, they kept trying to get Sproles into space.I can't complain about the final FF points, but it's hard to have much confidence starting Ingram going forward. The Saints just seem to see him as a complimentary player in the offense.
and as a bye week fill in id take the 10 pts he got today. im not saying he has any more value than thatThis was supposed to be his game. Carolina give's it up on the ground - instead we saw what the Saints want to do and that is use Ingram has a short yardage and complimentary back.He's not the bread and butter of this offence as many claimed he would be.I'm pretty bitter and I am highly invested in Ingram as well.he has a really easy schedule coming up and with my bye weeks coming up he still has value to me. that being said i gonna see if i can sell high and package with a good wr for a rb upgrade
I watched the game today. My impression was that the Saints seem to be going away from their usual MO, which is to take what the defense gives them and spread the ball around. I saw Brees forcing a lot of balls to Graham and a concerted effort to get the ball into Sproles' hands as often as possible, especially when they needed a big play. From what I saw, Payton wants those two guys (other than Brees, of course) to be the engine of the offense. Ingram is a supporting player, essentially on par with Pierre Thomas.Like many expected, Payton is gearing the offense to his new RB toy--it's just that that toy is Sproles, not Ingram.Ingram looked good today, showed great power and lowered his pads. Made yardage where there was none. I was impressed.Having said that, he's not a great fantasy player right now. Too many mouths to feed on this team.So, only 9 of the Saints' 28 carries went to Ingram today. He got the TD to salvage his fantasy day, but they looked to a lot of other guys in the red zone and at the goal line and really seemed focused on forcing the ball to Sproles. Ingram looked okay on his carries, but averaged just 3.6 yards per rush, so that's not exactly going to force Payton's hand to expand his role.Worst of all, the game script seemed to set up well for a heavy dose of Ingram. The Saints led most of the way, but never by that much. On the road, it was the perfect scenario to grind it out with your workhorse. Instead, they kept trying to get Sproles into space.I can't complain about the final FF points, but it's hard to have much confidence starting Ingram going forward. The Saints just seem to see him as a complimentary player in the offense.
The Saints have historically had problems getting short yardage. Drafting Ingram was a way to address that concern. Did they give up too much to get him? probably. What they should have done was keep Mike Bell instead of letting him walk away two years ago.There is nothing that Ingram has done in 5 weeks that PT/Sproles (Payton thinks) couldn't do.
Yes, and not running as much and forcing balls to Graham and Sproles almost cost them the game today (that wouldve gone to OT if not for the CAR calling a TO at the end of the first half which allowed NO to have a FG attempt). If they were smart, they wouldve ran the ball with whichever RB to kill the clock and keep the ball out of Newton's hands. Hopefully Payton realizes this and starts to run more, which will help Ingram even if PT and Sproles are taking carries from him.I watched the game today. My impression was that the Saints seem to be going away from their usual MO, which is to take what the defense gives them and spread the ball around. I saw Brees forcing a lot of balls to Graham and a concerted effort to get the ball into Sproles' hands as often as possible, especially when they needed a big play. From what I saw, Payton wants those two guys (other than Brees, of course) to be the engine of the offense. Ingram is a supporting player, essentially on par with Pierre Thomas.Like many expected, Payton is gearing the offense to his new RB toy--it's just that that toy is Sproles, not Ingram.Ingram looked good today, showed great power and lowered his pads. Made yardage where there was none. I was impressed.Having said that, he's not a great fantasy player right now. Too many mouths to feed on this team.So, only 9 of the Saints' 28 carries went to Ingram today. He got the TD to salvage his fantasy day, but they looked to a lot of other guys in the red zone and at the goal line and really seemed focused on forcing the ball to Sproles. Ingram looked okay on his carries, but averaged just 3.6 yards per rush, so that's not exactly going to force Payton's hand to expand his role.
Worst of all, the game script seemed to set up well for a heavy dose of Ingram. The Saints led most of the way, but never by that much. On the road, it was the perfect scenario to grind it out with your workhorse. Instead, they kept trying to get Sproles into space.
I can't complain about the final FF points, but it's hard to have much confidence starting Ingram going forward. The Saints just seem to see him as a complimentary player in the offense.
very just in Ingram still sucksWhy did Payton draft him? It seems so odd that he'd give up so much to draft a guy that is so replaceable in that offense. There is nothing that Ingram has done in 5 weeks that PT/Sproles (Payton thinks) couldn't do.
Every week starter he is not, unstartable, also, he is not.Until someone gets hurt (Thomas), Ingram is unstartable. Ingram would pair well with Sproles, but Thomas keeps cutting into Ingram's touches. And from what I've seen, I'm not even convinced Ingram is better than Thomas.On the plus side, Sproles is a lock for 90-100 total yards a week.
lol wut? cant they just sign bell now if they wanted to?The Saints have historically had problems getting short yardage. Drafting Ingram was a way to address that concern. Did they give up too much to get him? probably. What they should have done was keep Mike Bell instead of letting him walk away two years ago.There is nothing that Ingram has done in 5 weeks that PT/Sproles (Payton thinks) couldn't do.
I know Bell is not a great back (obviously) but he fit their system perfectly as the short yardage guy.lol wut? cant they just sign bell now if they wanted to?
and hes on the street somewhere so if he fit so perfectly they wouldve signed himI know Bell is not a great back (obviously) but he fit their system perfectly as the short yardage guy.lol wut? cant they just sign bell now if they wanted to?
Did you follow the Saints RB injuries last year? Ingram is a capable back and shores up a position that can be crushed by injuries. Payton is winning real games in the NFL and doesnt care about your fantasy team. Strange that so many players dont get that.Why did Payton draft him? It seems so odd that he'd give up so much to draft a guy that is so replaceable in that offense. There is nothing that Ingram has done in 5 weeks that PT/Sproles (Payton thinks) couldn't do.
Obviously, the time has passed. That wasn't the point. I'm saying that's what they should've done two years ago.and hes on the street somewhere so if he fit so perfectly they wouldve signed himI know Bell is not a great back (obviously) but he fit their system perfectly as the short yardage guy.lol wut? cant they just sign bell now if they wanted to?
Ingram was drafted to be the future of the Saints running game. He is a rookie playing in the backfield with two other talented veteran backs. He is going to have to earn his reps. Thats how Sean Payton does things. Sorry you thought he was going to just walk in and take the load. He also needs to make more of his opportunities when he does get a shot. So far this competition has been all Sproles. I am shocked at how good Sproles is. The Chargers really under utilized him.Why did you draft the damn guy... @ Saints FO
Eh, it's not so much that. How does anyone explain last week against the Jags... They get the ball with 7 minutes left in the game, up by 13. The throw it every play, then punt, running little time off the clock. They get the ball back with 3 minutes left, up by 13 and continue to throw it. Brees took a sack and was hit other times. My question is why do you risk your franchise player when you don't have to? If Brees goes down, so does the season. To me it seems like he's getting to cute and taking unneeded risks.'ChromeWeasel said:Payton is winning real games in the NFL and doesnt care about your fantasy team. Strange that so many players dont get that.'AmosMoses said:Why did Payton draft him? It seems so odd that he'd give up so much to draft a guy that is so replaceable in that offense. There is nothing that Ingram has done in 5 weeks that PT/Sproles (Payton thinks) couldn't do.
Payton's game plan damn near lost the game for him yet again. He's stubborn. Even the announcers were questioning his strategy. He's just too cute.'ChromeWeasel said:Did you follow the Saints RB injuries last year? Ingram is a capable back and shores up a position that can be crushed by injuries. Payton is winning real games in the NFL and doesnt care about your fantasy team. Strange that so many players dont get that.'AmosMoses said:Why did Payton draft him? It seems so odd that he'd give up so much to draft a guy that is so replaceable in that offense. There is nothing that Ingram has done in 5 weeks that PT/Sproles (Payton thinks) couldn't do.