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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not sure why Ingram owners are disappointed that he's staying in NO. He performed very well there in 2014 and the fact that they got this deal done, when they were so cap strapped, shows they are committed to him as their feature back going forward. The guy was vital to their offense in 2014.
Pierre Thomas is now gone. I know in the not so distant past, the staff didn't utilize Ingram to the full extent of his abilities, but that seemed to change last season and with only Robinson and Cadet behind him now, it seems pretty clear that Ingram will be the feature back seeing 15-22 carries a game, with maybe 1-3 receptions a week. He's also the clear goal-line back in a high scoring offense.
What's not to like?
Pierre Thomas is now gone. I know in the not so distant past, the staff didn't utilize Ingram to the full extent of his abilities, but that seemed to change last season and with only Robinson and Cadet behind him now, it seems pretty clear that Ingram will be the feature back seeing 15-22 carries a game, with maybe 1-3 receptions a week. He's also the clear goal-line back in a high scoring offense.
What's not to like?
Andrew74
Footballguy
I think deep down, I don't trust Payton.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I get that, but Payton seemed to change his mindset on Ingram last season - and I don't see how this commitment (and the timing of it) doesn't scream out in support of featuring Ingram in the running game going forward. The team has very limited cap space available and sunk it into Ingram. They must see him as a vital part of the offense, or otherwise this would be an extremely foolish signing.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
they did some cuts and re-structures , I dont know the exact date team need to be cap compliantTool said:
Start of the league year is what I've read (i.e., next week).
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Home is where the heart is
Trading up to select him in the 1st round of the draft screamed in support of featuring him in the running game as well, and we all know how that turned out.
There is certainly a chance that they have "seen the light", but you can't blame people for being skeptical. Time will tell.
12punch
Footballguy
He did, but things change. Saints writers confirm that in 2013 he absolutely asked for a trade. But what he always wanted he got last year, which was more of a feature role. Granted injuries played a part in that but I think the Saints liked how it worked out.RBM said:
I still don't think he's going to be a consistent 20 carry bell cow type back but I think something closer to 15 carries and 2-3 catches a game. As someone mentioned earlier his ceiling is not real high but that I feel good that should provide rock solid high end RB2 stats.
It's not like landing with Dallas but it's not Arizona either. I'm ok with it.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
He counted $2.4mil against the cap last season. If it's anything like most N.O. contracts it will be super cheap this season and turn awful in the near future.Tool said:
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
well i can cross him off my list of potential keepers
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Weird, seems like Gore got a better contract than Ingram did.
Won't know until we see guarantees and structure of Ingram's deal but I've been wondering the same thing. Quite possible that Ingram and his agent jumped the gun, especially if Philly was interested. That or Ingram felt he might actually have a better shot at being more of a full time type RB in NO than Philly.
cstu
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
ratbast
Footballguy
Rather have Gore this year? Come on, did you see how good Ingram looked? Gore is probably the next SJax/MJD. This is great for the Saints and good for Ingram too. As an Ingram owner I like it more and more. Kiry is what makes me nervous. He's a pretty good looking back. Cadet is on the rise too.
Khiry is a solid looking back but he's not Curtis Martin and he does not make me nervous at all. But when both backs are healthy he'll get some and limit Ingram in the process but I've no concerns about Ingram being the lead back.
Cadet is a FA. I don't see anyone beating down his door so imagine he'll be there for the Saints if/when they want him but if not him they'll have another passing down back on the roster.
Biggest two things for Ingram's value is continuing to get majority of goal line looks and getting to the point in the passing game that it's not automatic to pull him out in ALL of those situations. Both of those items showed a lot of promise last season.
Nope- Ingram only made ~$7.4M on his first contract. He either found a soft market in the legal tampering period, was sold a bill of goods that he'd have a major role, or he jumped the gun- probably a combination.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I would take Gore with less money and yrs, Ingram finally looked good but still got banged up while Gore has looked every bit as good or better for yrs and been injury free for a while now.
Yeah, probably...a very interesting signing to say the least. I havent seen numbers yet.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I think it was 4 years for $16M or at least that's what I saw.Tango said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Gore will be 32 in May. The number of NFL RB's who do anything after 32 is very, very small. That being said, with modern medicine <cough> Steroids and HGH <Cough> we saw ADP come within a whisker of breaking the season rushing record. So he might be able to stay on the field longer than some if he's juicing, but if he's not, then the guy will not likely finish the season and will probably be out of football in 2016. I can't guarantee this, but the statistics are on my side.KellysHeroes said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
That doesn't mean much without knowing the guaranteed numbers. If it's $2 mill guarantee it;s one thing, but $10 million guaranteed is another...
shader
Footballguy
I agree that's the key. They need to get up on people quick and let Ingram close out games. When your defense stinks and you are relying on Brees for comebacks, Ingram won't get used as much.RBM said:
Still, it's not a bad thing for Ingram. I think he'll do fine for the next 2-3 years. Solid NFL rb.
So with the numbers out he got guarantees of $7.6 million, which I think was in Gore range of guarantees but longer. The contract was also structured to pay him all 4 season if he's still productive, not a large cap number at the end of his deal- and of course close to half his contract is already guaranteed.cstu said:
cstu
Footballguy
Here's my breakdown:
2 years/$7.6M (includes $1.8M cap hit if he's cut in 2017) - average of $3.8M a year.
3 years/$11.4M (includes $900k cap hit if he's cut in 2018) - $3.6M in salary/bonuses for 2017.
4th year (2018) his salary/bonuses is $4.6M but the Saints only take $900k cap hit if he's cut.
Looks like a two year guaranteed deal with some relatively cheap team options ($3.6M and $4.6M).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
It is and it isn't. I like Ingram but he has one year where he was pretty so so (mostly based on NO not on him) but still...
Gore has been pretty consistent. Downside of his career for sure but I'm not overtly suprirsed
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And of course you have Chip Kelly pretending he knows what he's doing at GM on top of coach. Signing a guy who will be 32 in May to that much money is pretty ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet that the next closest team (if there was one) was a small fraction of what Chip offered.
I completely agree but there is always one coach in the crowd that thinks he knows better than everyone else and makes stupid decision after stupid decision.
JFS171
Footballguy
So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...
Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
Agree with the bolded and part about the Graham trade being a win for him. They might resign Bush but that's not going to dampen my mood because I've always been about 100% sure they'd resign Cadet or add more of a pure third down back.
Faust
MVP
Mark Ingram: Saints can be running team
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/fantasy-football-today/25101687/mark-ingram-saints-can-be-running-team
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/fantasy-football-today/25101687/mark-ingram-saints-can-be-running-team
TheFanatic
Footballguy
No Graham is HUGE for Ingram.ldizzle said:
JFS171
Footballguy
I agree with you both - the Seattle trade was huge for him. I'm not sure the team signing CJ Spiller would be, and he's in NO today. Spiller's beyond a 3rd down back... and Payton's never been able to control himself in playing with a new passing-game toy. As an Ingram dynasty owner, I'm praying Spiller goes elsewhere.
