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Mark Ingram (1 Viewer)

I'm not sure why Ingram owners are disappointed that he's staying in NO. He performed very well there in 2014 and the fact that they got this deal done, when they were so cap strapped, shows they are committed to him as their feature back going forward. The guy was vital to their offense in 2014.

Pierre Thomas is now gone. I know in the not so distant past, the staff didn't utilize Ingram to the full extent of his abilities, but that seemed to change last season and with only Robinson and Cadet behind him now, it seems pretty clear that Ingram will be the feature back seeing 15-22 carries a game, with maybe 1-3 receptions a week. He's also the clear goal-line back in a high scoring offense.

What's not to like?

 
I'm not sure why Ingram owners are disappointed that he's staying in NO. He performed very well there in 2014 and the fact that they got this deal done, when they were so cap strapped, shows they are committed to him as their feature back going forward. The guy was vital to their offense in 2014.

Pierre Thomas is now gone. I know in the not so distant past, the staff didn't utilize Ingram to the full extent of his abilities, but that seemed to change last season and with only Robinson and Cadet behind him now, it seems pretty clear that Ingram will be the feature back seeing 15-22 carries a game, with maybe 1-3 receptions a week. He's also the clear goal-line back in a high scoring offense.

What's not to like?
I think deep down, I don't trust Payton.
 
I'm not sure why Ingram owners are disappointed that he's staying in NO. He performed very well there in 2014 and the fact that they got this deal done, when they were so cap strapped, shows they are committed to him as their feature back going forward. The guy was vital to their offense in 2014.

Pierre Thomas is now gone. I know in the not so distant past, the staff didn't utilize Ingram to the full extent of his abilities, but that seemed to change last season and with only Robinson and Cadet behind him now, it seems pretty clear that Ingram will be the feature back seeing 15-22 carries a game, with maybe 1-3 receptions a week. He's also the clear goal-line back in a high scoring offense.

What's not to like?
I think deep down, I don't trust Payton.
I get that, but Payton seemed to change his mindset on Ingram last season - and I don't see how this commitment (and the timing of it) doesn't scream out in support of featuring Ingram in the running game going forward. The team has very limited cap space available and sunk it into Ingram. They must see him as a vital part of the offense, or otherwise this would be an extremely foolish signing.

 
I'm not sure why Ingram owners are disappointed that he's staying in NO. He performed very well there in 2014 and the fact that they got this deal done, when they were so cap strapped, shows they are committed to him as their feature back going forward. The guy was vital to their offense in 2014.

Pierre Thomas is now gone. I know in the not so distant past, the staff didn't utilize Ingram to the full extent of his abilities, but that seemed to change last season and with only Robinson and Cadet behind him now, it seems pretty clear that Ingram will be the feature back seeing 15-22 carries a game, with maybe 1-3 receptions a week. He's also the clear goal-line back in a high scoring offense.

What's not to like?
I think deep down, I don't trust Payton.
I get that, but Payton seemed to change his mindset on Ingram last season - and I don't see how this commitment (and the timing of it) doesn't scream out in support of featuring Ingram in the running game going forward. The team has very limited cap space available and sunk it into Ingram. They must see him as a vital part of the offense, or otherwise this would be an extremely foolish signing.
Trading up to select him in the 1st round of the draft screamed in support of featuring him in the running game as well, and we all know how that turned out.

There is certainly a chance that they have "seen the light", but you can't blame people for being skeptical. Time will tell.

 
RBM said:
A bit disappointing. I really thought he hated it there.
He did, but things change. Saints writers confirm that in 2013 he absolutely asked for a trade. But what he always wanted he got last year, which was more of a feature role. Granted injuries played a part in that but I think the Saints liked how it worked out.

I still don't think he's going to be a consistent 20 carry bell cow type back but I think something closer to 15 carries and 2-3 catches a game. As someone mentioned earlier his ceiling is not real high but that I feel good that should provide rock solid high end RB2 stats.

It's not like landing with Dallas but it's not Arizona either. I'm ok with it.

 
Weird, seems like Gore got a better contract than Ingram did.
Won't know until we see guarantees and structure of Ingram's deal but I've been wondering the same thing. Quite possible that Ingram and his agent jumped the gun, especially if Philly was interested. That or Ingram felt he might actually have a better shot at being more of a full time type RB in NO than Philly.

 
Weird, seems like Gore got a better contract than Ingram did.
Won't know until we see guarantees and structure of Ingram's deal but I've been wondering the same thing. Quite possible that Ingram and his agent jumped the gun, especially if Philly was interested. That or Ingram felt he might actually have a better shot at being more of a full time type RB in NO than Philly.
Or Ingram got very little interest.

 
Weird, seems like Gore got a better contract than Ingram did.
Won't know until we see guarantees and structure of Ingram's deal but I've been wondering the same thing. Quite possible that Ingram and his agent jumped the gun, especially if Philly was interested. That or Ingram felt he might actually have a better shot at being more of a full time type RB in NO than Philly.
Or Ingram got very little interest.
I rather have Gore this yr if I was an nfl team

 
Rather have Gore this year? Come on, did you see how good Ingram looked? Gore is probably the next SJax/MJD. This is great for the Saints and good for Ingram too. As an Ingram owner I like it more and more. Kiry is what makes me nervous. He's a pretty good looking back. Cadet is on the rise too.

 
Rather have Gore this year? Come on, did you see how good Ingram looked? Gore is probably the next SJax/MJD. This is great for the Saints and good for Ingram too. As an Ingram owner I like it more and more. Kiry is what makes me nervous. He's a pretty good looking back. Cadet is on the rise too.
Khiry is a solid looking back but he's not Curtis Martin and he does not make me nervous at all. But when both backs are healthy he'll get some and limit Ingram in the process but I've no concerns about Ingram being the lead back.

Cadet is a FA. I don't see anyone beating down his door so imagine he'll be there for the Saints if/when they want him but if not him they'll have another passing down back on the roster.

Biggest two things for Ingram's value is continuing to get majority of goal line looks and getting to the point in the passing game that it's not automatic to pull him out in ALL of those situations. Both of those items showed a lot of promise last season.

 
Color me surprised.

How many guys get their option turned down, have a career year, and then get re-signed?

Perhaps b/c Ingram was in the last big $$$ draft?

 
Color me surprised.

How many guys get their option turned down, have a career year, and then get re-signed?

Perhaps b/c Ingram was in the last big $$$ draft?
Nope- Ingram only made ~$7.4M on his first contract. He either found a soft market in the legal tampering period, was sold a bill of goods that he'd have a major role, or he jumped the gun- probably a combination.

 
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Rather have Gore this year? Come on, did you see how good Ingram looked? Gore is probably the next SJax/MJD. This is great for the Saints and good for Ingram too. As an Ingram owner I like it more and more. Kiry is what makes me nervous. He's a pretty good looking back. Cadet is on the rise too.
I would take Gore with less money and yrs, Ingram finally looked good but still got banged up while Gore has looked every bit as good or better for yrs and been injury free for a while now.

 
Color me surprised.

How many guys get their option turned down, have a career year, and then get re-signed?

Perhaps b/c Ingram was in the last big $$$ draft?
Nope- Ingram only made ~$7.4M on his first contract. He either found a soft market in the legal tampering period, was sold a bill of goods that he'd have a major role, or he jumped the gun- probably a combination.
Yeah, probably...a very interesting signing to say the least. I havent seen numbers yet.

 
Tango said:
humpback said:
Tango said:
Color me surprised.

How many guys get their option turned down, have a career year, and then get re-signed?

Perhaps b/c Ingram was in the last big $$$ draft?
Nope- Ingram only made ~$7.4M on his first contract. He either found a soft market in the legal tampering period, was sold a bill of goods that he'd have a major role, or he jumped the gun- probably a combination.
Yeah, probably...a very interesting signing to say the least. I havent seen numbers yet.
I think it was 4 years for $16M or at least that's what I saw.

 
KellysHeroes said:
ratbast said:
Rather have Gore this year? Come on, did you see how good Ingram looked? Gore is probably the next SJax/MJD. This is great for the Saints and good for Ingram too. As an Ingram owner I like it more and more. Kiry is what makes me nervous. He's a pretty good looking back. Cadet is on the rise too.
I would take Gore with less money and yrs, Ingram finally looked good but still got banged up while Gore has looked every bit as good or better for yrs and been injury free for a while now.
Gore will be 32 in May. The number of NFL RB's who do anything after 32 is very, very small. That being said, with modern medicine <cough> Steroids and HGH <Cough> we saw ADP come within a whisker of breaking the season rushing record. So he might be able to stay on the field longer than some if he's juicing, but if he's not, then the guy will not likely finish the season and will probably be out of football in 2016. I can't guarantee this, but the statistics are on my side.

 
Tango said:
humpback said:
Tango said:
Color me surprised.

How many guys get their option turned down, have a career year, and then get re-signed?

Perhaps b/c Ingram was in the last big $$$ draft?
Nope- Ingram only made ~$7.4M on his first contract. He either found a soft market in the legal tampering period, was sold a bill of goods that he'd have a major role, or he jumped the gun- probably a combination.
Yeah, probably...a very interesting signing to say the least. I havent seen numbers yet.
I think it was 4 years for $16M or at least that's what I saw.
That doesn't mean much without knowing the guaranteed numbers. If it's $2 mill guarantee it;s one thing, but $10 million guaranteed is another...

 
RBM said:
Most important thing for us Ingram owners now is to just hope they somehow improve the D.
I agree that's the key. They need to get up on people quick and let Ingram close out games. When your defense stinks and you are relying on Brees for comebacks, Ingram won't get used as much.

Still, it's not a bad thing for Ingram. I think he'll do fine for the next 2-3 years. Solid NFL rb.

 
cstu said:
menobrown said:
PatsWillWin said:
Weird, seems like Gore got a better contract than Ingram did.
Won't know until we see guarantees and structure of Ingram's deal but I've been wondering the same thing. Quite possible that Ingram and his agent jumped the gun, especially if Philly was interested. That or Ingram felt he might actually have a better shot at being more of a full time type RB in NO than Philly.
Or Ingram got very little interest.
So with the numbers out he got guarantees of $7.6 million, which I think was in Gore range of guarantees but longer. The contract was also structured to pay him all 4 season if he's still productive, not a large cap number at the end of his deal- and of course close to half his contract is already guaranteed.

 
cstu said:
menobrown said:
PatsWillWin said:
Weird, seems like Gore got a better contract than Ingram did.
Won't know until we see guarantees and structure of Ingram's deal but I've been wondering the same thing. Quite possible that Ingram and his agent jumped the gun, especially if Philly was interested. That or Ingram felt he might actually have a better shot at being more of a full time type RB in NO than Philly.
Or Ingram got very little interest.
So with the numbers out he got guarantees of $7.6 million, which I think was in Gore range of guarantees but longer. The contract was also structured to pay him all 4 season if he's still productive, not a large cap number at the end of his deal- and of course close to half his contract is already guaranteed.
Here's my breakdown:

2 years/$7.6M (includes $1.8M cap hit if he's cut in 2017) - average of $3.8M a year.

3 years/$11.4M (includes $900k cap hit if he's cut in 2018) - $3.6M in salary/bonuses for 2017.

4th year (2018) his salary/bonuses is $4.6M but the Saints only take $900k cap hit if he's cut.

Looks like a two year guaranteed deal with some relatively cheap team options ($3.6M and $4.6M).

 
Hard to believe Gore got more money than Ingram.
It is and it isn't. I like Ingram but he has one year where he was pretty so so (mostly based on NO not on him) but still...

Gore has been pretty consistent. Downside of his career for sure but I'm not overtly suprirsed

 
Hard to believe Gore got more money than Ingram.
It is and it isn't. I like Ingram but he has one year where he was pretty so so (mostly based on NO not on him) but still...

Gore has been pretty consistent. Downside of his career for sure but I'm not overtly suprirsed
And of course you have Chip Kelly pretending he knows what he's doing at GM on top of coach. Signing a guy who will be 32 in May to that much money is pretty ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet that the next closest team (if there was one) was a small fraction of what Chip offered.

 
Hard to believe Gore got more money than Ingram.
It is and it isn't. I like Ingram but he has one year where he was pretty so so (mostly based on NO not on him) but still...

Gore has been pretty consistent. Downside of his career for sure but I'm not overtly suprirsed
And of course you have Chip Kelly pretending he knows what he's doing at GM on top of coach. Signing a guy who will be 32 in May to that much money is pretty ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet that the next closest team (if there was one) was a small fraction of what Chip offered.
I completely agree but there is always one coach in the crowd that thinks he knows better than everyone else and makes stupid decision after stupid decision.

 
So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...

Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.

 
So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...

Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
well its looking good for him now. no graham and adding unger bodes well for ingram

 
So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...

Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
well its looking good for him now. no graham and adding unger bodes well for ingram
Agree with the bolded and part about the Graham trade being a win for him. They might resign Bush but that's not going to dampen my mood because I've always been about 100% sure they'd resign Cadet or add more of a pure third down back.

 
ldizzle said:
So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...

Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
well its looking good for him now. no graham and adding unger bodes well for ingram
No Graham is HUGE for Ingram.

 
So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...

Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
well its looking good for him now. no graham and adding unger bodes well for ingram
No Graham is HUGE for Ingram.
I agree with you both - the Seattle trade was huge for him. I'm not sure the team signing CJ Spiller would be, and he's in NO today. Spiller's beyond a 3rd down back... and Payton's never been able to control himself in playing with a new passing-game toy. As an Ingram dynasty owner, I'm praying Spiller goes elsewhere.

The Saints will host free agent C.J. Spiller on Thursday.


This is an exciting potential pairing; Spiller's explosive lateral agility and straight-line speed would be fun to watch at the Superdome. Spiller has roots down south, having played college football at Clemson. The Saints are transitioning to a balanced-to-run-heavy offense, having re-signed Mark Ingram, traded for C Max Unger, and dealt Jimmy Graham. Spiller would be the 1B to Ingram's 1A, likely seeing around 8-14 touches per game in New Orleans.
 

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