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Curious to see what happens with the Spiller visit in NO as well. If Spiller signs, that could really hurt Ingram.
Khiry is the one that this visit is about. Yes, it would hurt Ingram but they could cut Robinson easily and save almost $600k.Curious to see what happens with the Spiller visit in NO as well. If Spiller signs, that could really hurt Ingram.
It wouldn't make much sense to cut Khiry, but that doesn't really matter here- he would only be a back-up to Ingram while Spiller would really cut into his touches.Khiry is the one that this visit is about. Yes, it would hurt Ingram but they could cut Robinson easily and save almost $600k.Curious to see what happens with the Spiller visit in NO as well. If Spiller signs, that could really hurt Ingram.
If Spiller signs I'll feel this way. Can't help but Ingram will feel this way as well.This is a disaster for Ingram if it happens. Why this guy didn't test the market is beyond me.
I agree. Spiller signing would be terrible. Ingram looked good when he got some extra receptions, but Spiller has shown what he can do before, so he could really eat into the playing time if he plays well. Given Spiller's 2014 and meh 2013. In 2013, his game logs look mediocre except for 3 long runs and the rest were just 3.6 ypc. I know, you can't remove them in the end, but his other 199 rushes really looked a lot more like 2014. I don't know if Spiller has lost a step or something, but 2012 was great, 2013 was almost a transition where he broke only 3 long ones and then turned into 2014.This is a disaster for Ingram if it happens. Why this guy didn't test the market is beyond me.
How would they save money? Spiller is going to cost more than $600k, so their cap number goes up if they swap them.Khiry is the one that this visit is about. Yes, it would hurt Ingram but they could cut Robinson easily and save almost $600k.Curious to see what happens with the Spiller visit in NO as well. If Spiller signs, that could really hurt Ingram.
Khiry owner here in 3 leagues, very disappointed but hoping he stays healthy and has a good year since he's a free agent next year.If Spiller signs with the Saints I'm not certain who is going to be more crushed over the events of the past week, Ingram owners or Khiry owners. Ingram still has value but he's locked up for likely at least two seasons. Khiry would have no value other than an injury but at least he might get out next season but this time last week most thought he'd be the Saints main back or heavy part of RBBC.
Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
It's more the idea than the actual player- Ingram would likely go back to getting very few looks in the passing game, running almost elusively during obvious running downs, etc.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
Agreed, although Bush would likely be more of a straight backup than someone I would worry about grabbing more touches by outperforming. Without Spiller, I think I would expect Ingram to get more like 40+ receptions (he had 29 last year even with missing a couple games). I would think he would have more 2 reception games rather than 0 or 1 reception games to build up his FF floor in PPR (all my leagues are PPR).Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
And now that Murray is out of Dallas and Schefty reports they're calling other FA RBs... floors me that Ingram signed with NO so quickly.So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...
Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
Spiller in Dallas is a much bigger win for owners than in NO.Ingram fans better pray Dallas signs Spiller now....or he's coming to NO for sure IMO. And for Spiller owners that's a win win
I think both would lower Ingram's ceiling, Spiller would lower his floor more.Agreed, although Bush would likely be more of a straight backup than someone I would worry about grabbing more touches by outperforming. Without Spiller, I think I would expect Ingram to get more like 40+ receptions (he had 29 last year even with missing a couple games). I would think he would have more 2 reception games rather than 0 or 1 reception games to build up his FF floor in PPR (all my leagues are PPR).Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
Or he could have waited like Mathews.And now that Murray is out of Dallas and Schefty reports they're calling other FA RBs... floors me that Ingram signed with NO so quickly.So now that Gore isn't going to Philly, wondering if Ingram did, in fact, jump the gun here...
Philly's two rumored guys were Gore and Ingram. Maybe he feels NO will commit to him on the ground more in a featured role than Philly would, but man it sure seems like Philly is a situation ripe for a North/South RB to explode.
Bush concerns me zero, and I like Reggie. But the Saints will 100% bring in more of a pure third down back. I'm ok with it being an older back who has had lot of nagging injuries, mainly to his knee.I think both would lower Ingram's ceiling, Spiller would lower his floor more.Agreed, although Bush would likely be more of a straight backup than someone I would worry about grabbing more touches by outperforming. Without Spiller, I think I would expect Ingram to get more like 40+ receptions (he had 29 last year even with missing a couple games). I would think he would have more 2 reception games rather than 0 or 1 reception games to build up his FF floor in PPR (all my leagues are PPR).Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
I'm sure you agree the Saints will bring in more of a pure passing down back. So they have to pay someone. Granted nothing is as cheap as mid round draft pick but I don't see Reggie getting paid much. And if he goes back to the Saints he will get used plenty, it's just that I think it will primarily be obvious passing downs which I don't see Ingram playing anyway unless injuries forced the Saints hand.Agree to disagree. They aren't going to pay another RB if they don't plan on using him all that much.
I expected them to have a RB who was a pure passing down back, but not necessarily one who played every passing down. Basically Cadet is what I'm using as the baseline. He was zero risk to take carries away and only had a few more receptions than Ingram last season. I'm assuming Bush would make more money than Cadet, and they'd almost certainly use him more as well so it would be a hit IMO.I'm sure you agree the Saints will bring in more of a pure passing down back. So they have to pay someone. Granted nothing is as cheap as mid round draft pick but I don't see Reggie getting paid much. And if he goes back to the Saints he will get used plenty, it's just that I think it will primarily be obvious passing downs which I don't see Ingram playing anyway unless injuries forced the Saints hand.Agree to disagree. They aren't going to pay another RB if they don't plan on using him all that much.
I think Spiller has the potential to lower his ceiling a lot more. Bush looked just about done last year. If they both play like last year, then I think neither has much of an impact on Ingram, but I think Spillerat 2.5 years younger has the potential to get back to his 2012 year and if he does, then Ingram takes a huge hit. I don't think Bush at 30 has that potential anymore based on last year.I think both would lower Ingram's ceiling, Spiller would lower his floor more.Agreed, although Bush would likely be more of a straight backup than someone I would worry about grabbing more touches by outperforming. Without Spiller, I think I would expect Ingram to get more like 40+ receptions (he had 29 last year even with missing a couple games). I would think he would have more 2 reception games rather than 0 or 1 reception games to build up his FF floor in PPR (all my leagues are PPR).Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
I agree that Spiller is more likely to damage his overall value than Bush, but I look at that more as his floor.stbugs said:I think Spiller has the potential to lower his ceiling a lot more. Bush looked just about done last year. If they both play like last year, then I think neither has much of an impact on Ingram, but I think Spillerat 2.5 years younger has the potential to get back to his 2012 year and if he does, then Ingram takes a huge hit. I don't think Bush at 30 has that potential anymore based on last year.I think both would lower Ingram's ceiling, Spiller would lower his floor more.Agreed, although Bush would likely be more of a straight backup than someone I would worry about grabbing more touches by outperforming. Without Spiller, I think I would expect Ingram to get more like 40+ receptions (he had 29 last year even with missing a couple games). I would think he would have more 2 reception games rather than 0 or 1 reception games to build up his FF floor in PPR (all my leagues are PPR).Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
Bush is the one actually interested in coming back. I'm sure they'd consider it on the cheap if a deal isn't reached with Spiller.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
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Got it. I think we are actually thinking the same thing, i.e. that Spiller has the potential to do more damage to Ingram's FF points in 2015.I agree that Spiller is more likely to damage his overall value than Bush, but I look at that more as his floor.stbugs said:I think Spiller has the potential to lower his ceiling a lot more. Bush looked just about done last year. If they both play like last year, then I think neither has much of an impact on Ingram, but I think Spillerat 2.5 years younger has the potential to get back to his 2012 year and if he does, then Ingram takes a huge hit. I don't think Bush at 30 has that potential anymore based on last year.I think both would lower Ingram's ceiling, Spiller would lower his floor more.Agreed, although Bush would likely be more of a straight backup than someone I would worry about grabbing more touches by outperforming. Without Spiller, I think I would expect Ingram to get more like 40+ receptions (he had 29 last year even with missing a couple games). I would think he would have more 2 reception games rather than 0 or 1 reception games to build up his FF floor in PPR (all my leagues are PPR).Payton will continue to show his hand to defenses. Ingram in Run, Spiller/Bush in Pass.Spiller would scare me, Bush not so much. He looked out of gas last year in Detroit for the most part. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I'm not expecting Ingram to see more than 1-3 receptions a game anyway.They're supposedly interested in Reggie Bush as well. Looks like Peyton is going to screw Ingram owners yet again.
Right now I'd say his ceiling is very high because he has little competition. If they add either of those guys, he's likely to lose most of his receptions and a few carries per game which would immediately drop his ceiling some, but he'll still have a floor of say ~15 carries per game (plus goal line work). If the guy they bring in does really well and carves out a larger role, then his floor drops to say ~8-10 carries per game.
Over a 33% cut in possible carries? And almost a 20% cut at minimum?Ingram is going to get 12-15 carries a game and GL (which he's terrible at) but the problem is he will get yanked when they are behind and have to get into a hurry up offense. That's the problem. That's a very low floor gentlemen.
Your lack of self-awareness is frightening.Spiller signed.
LolIngram is going to get 12-15 carries a game and GL (which he's terrible at) but the problem is he will get yanked when they are behind and have to get into a hurry up offense. That's the problem. That's a very low floor gentlemen.
Yours is astounding. Keep tootin' that toot, dynasty boot.Your lack of self-awareness is frightening.Spiller signed.
I see 2012 all over again.FBG standard scoring M Ingram finished at RB15 and missed 3 games. P Thomas(11 games)
and T Cadet combined caught 83 passes. I don't think the sky is falling here.
Give CJ Spiller 100 carries -the 60 from PT and TC, the other 40 from K Robinson and those
83 rec's. Bring him in to replace those two guys and M Ingram's workload stays the same-a
little over 17 carries a game. He stays fresh, plays all 16 games and finishes at RB12. The K
Robinson owners are the ones out of luck, Ingram's career just got extended. The Saints
have always used RBBC and it's usually pretty good fantasy wise.
If the Saints offense gets back on track or a shift in philosophy with J Graham gone Spillers
carries could go up to 150-160 and Ingram could still be RB12,
PPR scoring M Ingram was RB14.
Gotta think he is mumbling the above statement to himself right now. Looks like you screwed me again CostanzaI can't for the life of me understand why Ingram chose NO
no it's not. spiller couldn't take that job outright from fred jackson. spiller imo will be a better version of PT and used in the same way in Payton's system.Holy Schneikes said:The question isn't "How much will Spiller dip into Ingram's touches?". The first question is "Which back will be the primary ball carrier?".