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dickey moe
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His consistency was his best trait this year. Could almost always rely on him for about 18 to 20 pts/week.
Right, this week you have no idea who to trust. Next week they face Detroit, which is a really tough match-up for RBs. So realistically, you may not feel comfortable starting either of them until Championship Week.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Mark Ingram - RB - Saints
Mark Ingram (injured reserve) will have surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff in his left shoulder Thursday.
Ingram originally suffered an AC sprain Week 10 against the Redskins, but he injured the same shoulder further last week against the Panthers and was placed on injured reserve Wednesday. He should be fully healthy for the start of OTAs. Tim Hightower and C.J. Spiller will form a low-value committee with Ingram sidelined.
Mark Ingram (injured reserve) will have surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff in his left shoulder Thursday.
Ingram originally suffered an AC sprain Week 10 against the Redskins, but he injured the same shoulder further last week against the Panthers and was placed on injured reserve Wednesday. He should be fully healthy for the start of OTAs. Tim Hightower and C.J. Spiller will form a low-value committee with Ingram sidelined.
Put me in the Hightower camp. They don't trust spiller in pass pro so he's simply not going to be on the field enough to make an impact. Hightower is the runner who is most like Ingram.
He can run bw the tackles, pass pro, and is very good in the passing game. He was on his way to a breakout season in wasn't on before he went down. He's got a lot to prove.
He had 11 carries for 40+ yards when Ingram sat briefly during the week 12 game I believe. It was Hightower not spiller who got more play when Ingram was out. Couple that with brees' comments and if I'm a betting man all the evidence points to starting Hightower
I'm unlucky to have lost Ingram in BOTH of my leagues. But I'm very lucky that I have the #1 playoff seed in both leagues and a bye week to watch this shake out without having it affect my playoff hopes.
That said, if I had to choose one of these guys to start in week 14 I'd start Hightower.
I WISH that the Asita would commit to spiller BC in that offense if you give him 18 carries and 7-8 targets in the passing game he would probably lift up the entire league. At least until he gets hurt lol
He can run bw the tackles, pass pro, and is very good in the passing game. He was on his way to a breakout season in wasn't on before he went down. He's got a lot to prove.
He had 11 carries for 40+ yards when Ingram sat briefly during the week 12 game I believe. It was Hightower not spiller who got more play when Ingram was out. Couple that with brees' comments and if I'm a betting man all the evidence points to starting Hightower
I'm unlucky to have lost Ingram in BOTH of my leagues. But I'm very lucky that I have the #1 playoff seed in both leagues and a bye week to watch this shake out without having it affect my playoff hopes.
That said, if I had to choose one of these guys to start in week 14 I'd start Hightower.
I WISH that the Asita would commit to spiller BC in that offense if you give him 18 carries and 7-8 targets in the passing game he would probably lift up the entire league. At least until he gets hurt lol
I remember hearing back when Hightower was with the Cardinals that he was great at every single skill a RB needed ... except running the football.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Ranked 14th in carries but 4th in FF scoring at the time of his injury.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
5th in receiving yards and 4th in receptions among RBs.Synthesizer said:
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ahartig
Footballguy
I can swallow the trust part, but not like? Is there an article or beat writer that may have alluded to this? Or is that just pure speculation?
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
"New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton said they're trying to figure out how to get running back C.J. Spiller more involved in the offense after he had only five snaps last week"
Usually, when a head coach has to "figure out" how to get a guy more involved, it's code for "someone in upper management wants to see him play, but I don't think he's that good".
MattFancy
Footballguy
I love that in Week 14, they're still "trying to get him more involved". If it hasn't happened to this point, it just isn't going to happen.
psychobillies
Footballguy
I had Ingram on 2 teams. I picked up Hightower before I read that article. I won't start him this week, but I think Hightower will end up being the volume guy. Maybe next week he's a good play.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
He says the injury in training camp put him behind and that its all about the confidence and explosion on that knee. Spiller says there is
nothing wrong with his knee and he has all the confidence and explosion he's ever had. Something doesn't compute there.
Most telling for me is he says "hopefully down the stretch we can get him enough touches to see". Really? You've lost your 2 top running backs and
you're down to the guy you're paying big money to and a guy you picked up off the couch and you're hoping to get Spiller the touches?
This is the story with Spiller. Every year he is inexplicably ignored in the offense. This is the 3rd different coaching staff that has treated him
this way. Pass protection, doesn't run decisively, not tough enough, whatever it is, they don't like depending on him.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
I loved it to the tune of a week16 win! Thanks for being worthless C.J. Spiller. Hightower owners thank you.
Hightower Wk14-16:
14 @TB 28 85 1
15 DET 13 54 0
16 JAX 27 122 2
68 carries 261 rushing yards 3 rushing TDs 7/88 receiving. How does Hightower's performance affect the future for Ingram/Spiller going forward if any?
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Jed
Footballguy
Spiller will be gone, and it has zero effect on Ingram. Hightower probably won't make a roster next year.
mnmplayer
Footballguy
That is what I expect as well. I have to declare keeper status next August. I don't think Hightower can perform much better than he has, but even if this last game is another great one from him I don't think his prospects look good, but that might be my bias. If anyone has found out that he earned his way into a larger role be sure to post.
Not any is how it will impact Ingram/Spiller.
Don't over estimate fresh backs who get on a few week run late in the season.
Zero confusion for me regarding Spiller. Was obvious to me all year he was not healthy and with regards to heath of a player one of the first rules is never trust the player. His explosion, most especially his rare lateral ability, was basically gone this season. As long as the Saints think he can regain it he's not going anywhere, does not even make much sense in terms of cap savings.
imjackdupp
Footballguy
Nothing new in the last couple of weeks but he was on the rich eisen show last month and said he was right on schedule so he should be full speed for training camp.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He is a very safe and steady play. He caught 50 balls in 12 games last year so where one might have thought of him as a standard only guy, he is actually a PPR beast now. He gets GL work on a high scoring offense. Only knock is there seems to be a good chance he will get hurt at some point.
For standard, over the last 2 years, Ingram has posted <RB2 numbers 36% of the weeks. The only RBs that have been more consistently startable and aren't on a new team, suspended or retired are Peterson, Gurley, and Charles. For standard, last 2 years, he has posted RB1 numbers on 60% of his weeks. There are only 2 RBs not suspended or on a new team that had a better %: Gurley and Charles. Ingram doesn't have many major blow-up games. In standard, he's only broken 20 points in 3 of his last 25 weeks. However, he's a very consistent scorer with a high weekly floor. He has only scored below 9 points in 4 of this last 25 weeks.
need2know
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Call me crazy, but what is the difference between David Johnson and Mark Ingram in terms of fantasy outlook? Ingram is more proven, but has the injury history. Ingram is going at a cheaper price. Last year Ingram's 16 game projection was 67 receptions, 1560 yards and 8 TDs. He has room for an even higher TD ceiling as Khiry and Hightower ran for 8.
The Cards and Saints scored the most standard fantasy points at the RB position last year. Card RBs had 2500 yards and 19 TDs. Saints had 2500 yards and 18 TDs. The nice part is the Saints beong one of the highest scoring backfields for fantasy isn't new. 2014 was 2500 and 18. 2013 was 2600 (4th best) and 13 (8th best).
The Cards and Saints scored the most standard fantasy points at the RB position last year. Card RBs had 2500 yards and 19 TDs. Saints had 2500 yards and 18 TDs. The nice part is the Saints beong one of the highest scoring backfields for fantasy isn't new. 2014 was 2500 and 18. 2013 was 2600 (4th best) and 13 (8th best).
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
He's definitely a heck of a lot cheaper than DJ but for some reason, might be perception, he doesn't seem as "shiny" which is stupid really. As you pointed out, he could score very closely to DJ, so if you combine him with Brown from the 1 and maybe add Allen or Marshall, thats a strong start to a draft.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If you have a top 5 pick and are able to land something like Julio/Ingram/Allen or OBJ/Ingram/Sammy, you are off to a heck of a start. Just need to hope Ingram can stay healthy and make sure you own Hightower in case he can't.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Hightower should be a relatively cheap handcuff too. How do you compare Ingram to the other RB's close to his ADP like Martin and McCoy? Do you feel it's just preference on how to rank them or does one stand out more to you? I like McCoy quite a bit, think he has at least one more big year in him in an offense that might be ready to really take a leap.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think McCoy and Ingram are close but it's likely Ingram gets a lot more GL touches as he is the GL back, McCoy might not be. Also the Saints are going to be a more high scoring team so I see more TD opps available for Ingram. I am a little more down on Doug because he didn't score TDs or catch a lot of passes last year, but those do seem to be the 3 RBs with the best proven production vs price ration in the draft.
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LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Just looked it up, you're right, Martin only caught 33 passes while Ingram had 50 and only played 12 games. You figure another 10 or so if he had played the 16 games, 60 catches aint too shabby, doesn't help in standard but that's PPR gold.
I think Martin/Ingram/McCoy are maybe the last of the RB1s that are typically available at the 2/3 turn. After that, you start looking at guys like CJA, Matt Jones, Forte, L.Murray and it doesn't look as rosy. It's like your last chance to really grab an RB1 before they disappear.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
He just doesn't ever make it through a whole season due to injuries. Also, he rarely has those blow up games. He only broke 100 yds rushing once last year, and only broke 80 twice. he gets overlooked bc he never has monstrous games.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right now FFCal has Martin and Ingram going as the 24th and 25th picks in standard. In almost any other year, I think they would be top 15 picks. PPR, Late round QB, and zero RB has gained so much steam that it has really reshaped drafts. If people were doing this draft with a 2013-14 mindset, I think ADP could be more like: 1. Gurley 2. Peterson 3. DJ 4. Miller 5. Cam 6. Brown 7. Zeke 8. Julio 9. OBJ 10. McCoy 11. Ingram 12. Martin . So if you get the 1st pick in standard and are open to the idea of investing heavy in RBs still, you can start with Brown, Ingram and Martin which is 3 players that one can argue deserve first 1st round grades. It's the best WR in the league and 2 RB1s. I am not inclined to invest in 2 RBs that early, but it is tempting.
need2know
Footballguy
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
To piggy-back on your idea of starting with WR/RB/RB as an a;ternative to WR/WR/WR or WR/WR/RB, I quite like the idea of going:
Brown, Ingram+McCoy then maybe M.Floyd+E.Decker at the 4/5 turn.
Not sure that the WR's at the 2/3 turn or early third are that "can't miss". You'd probably feel better with Evans, DT or Keenan Allen rather than Decker or Floyd but to counter that, the RB's at the 4/5 turn make me queasy as compared with Ingram and McCoy. Not fully up on those 2 players specific ADP (Floyd and Decker) but they seem likely to be available there and good value if they are. As a comparison:
Brown/Ingram/McCoy/Floyd/Decker
vs
Brown/Ingram/Evans/Floyd/Duke Johnson
I prefer option 1 for sure.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Also I would include Maclin in that group of 4th/5th round WR target. My only issue is if you miss on those guys, I start to sour on WR quickly. If I start WR/WR/WR, I'm riding it out and still targeting Mac/Deck/Floyd/Moncrief in the 4th and 5th.
grateful zed
Footballguy
ffi has him ranked #5
