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Mark Ingram (3 Viewers)

Mark Ingram is running like he's mad at the world right now.

I won't have the snap data until Wednesday, but has he even played 50% of the snaps? This feels like a "Sell High" performance if there ever was.

 
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Pulled off a trade last night to land Demarco Murray n one league I owned INgram...and that let me bench him today. While I wish he were still in my lineup, this useage give me no confidance for the future

 
renesauz said:
Pulled off a trade last night to land Demarco Murray n one league I owned INgram...and that let me bench him today. While I wish he were still in my lineup, this useage give me no confidance for the future
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I will sit him next week because I can, and see how this thing plays out.

 
As an Ingram owner this week is not a good sign.... He is clearly better then Hightower yet Payton keeps matching Hightower out there to take more varied then Ingram... They won't play a def like 48ers every week 

 
Yep. Trade deadline in my league is this week, gonna fish hard for RBs who are RB2 or low end RB1s if possible. Maybe i can get Gurley from a disgruntled owner or something, dunno.

What i do know is he ain't getting a TD reception/40+ yard TD run every week. He wasn't the starter and Payton still didn't feature him as runner inside the 10.

 
Hightower: 3.8 yards per carry. It's very possible they look at the film this week, and realize what everyone else does, that Ingram should be getting 18-20 touches per week.

The coach still looks good in this scenario as this has brought out what probably amounts to Ingram's best game on the ground of his career.

 
Or Payton can continue to mess with Ingram. If you think there's something to the Payton/Ingram drama, you sell. The alternative is that he really believes Hightower is better... I'll take the larger sample size.

 
The Frankman said:
This feels like a "Sell High" performance if there ever was.
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The problem is that after the circus this season has been you (and every other owner) is thinking "sell high!  :excited: " 

.....and everyone who doesn't own him is thinking "buy low!  :excited: "

They played the Niners tissue paper run D in a blowout with Hightower having a significant role,and a TD. 

 No one's paying top dollar for Ingram right now 

All told I'm standing pat.  If you want to sell you're gonna have to let Ingram prove it over the next couple weeks. 

One guy's opinion.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
The problem is that after the circus this season has been you (and every other owner) is thinking "sell high!  :excited: " 

.....and everyone who doesn't own him is thinking "buy low!  :excited: "

They played the Niners tissue paper run D in a blowout with Hightower having a significant role,and a TD. 

 No one's paying top dollar for Ingram right now 

All told I'm standing pat.  If you want to sell you're gonna have to let Ingram prove it over the next couple weeks. 

One guy's opinion.
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Of course you can't, you hope you can nab a Gurley (another RB1 who's an RB2 right now) or luck into a RB who has disappointed his owner also.

The other alternative depends if you drafted him as your RB1 IHMO (if he's your 2nd RB you can probably survive): strengthen your other positions so you can offset the damage if he puts up a 3-5 point performance.

 
He's too good talent wise to take a backseat to Hightower for long. They aren't in the same ballpark. The Saints staff is sending him a message, however, and I think he is going to respond in a huge way. I'm trying to acquire him cheap while I can. 

I don't think it's a huge limb to expect him to be in the RB1 to 10 range ROS, I'll be kind of shocked if he isn't. 

 
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The Frankman said:
The other alternative depends if you drafted him as your RB1 IHMO (if he's your 2nd RB you can probably survive): strengthen your other positions so you can offset the damage if he puts up a 3-5 point performance.
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Great point. As my RB2 behind DJohnson I can afford to be more patient.

 
it sucks to be so worried about him ROS after a performance like this. but facts are facts. hightower did have more carries, hopefully this was because they were up and it's the backup running more. not as worried that hightower started the game since ingram fumbled in the last game. ingram did more with his carries including one monster run for td, which we can't count on most weeks. payton is still payton. i'm glad i ended up sticking with him in my starting lineup, but it really doesn't make me feel any better about his situation. all of you naysayers seem to be correct for a change.  :)

 
Pigskin Fanatic said:
it sucks to be so worried about him ROS after a performance like this. but facts are facts. hightower did have more carries, hopefully this was because they were up and it's the backup running more. not as worried that hightower started the game since ingram fumbled in the last game. ingram did more with his carries including one monster run for td, which we can't count on most weeks. payton is still payton. i'm glad i ended up sticking with him in my starting lineup, but it really doesn't make me feel any better about his situation. all of you naysayers seem to be correct for a change.  :)
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Didn't watch the game huh?

Hightower started and was doing well (as was the Saints offense) and he had many more carries then Ingram. On 3rd series Ingram entered got 1 carry.

Next drive (4th by NO) they split carries. End result is 21-3 Saints lead with both backs having 1 TD. 11-3 edge to Tim in the 2nd quarter.

Then the "hiccup" occurred ... Mark Ingram rips off a 75 yard TD with 5 minutes left in the half. He hadn't gone past 17 yards in a run all season, until he did from the back-up position.

From that point on it was an almost even split.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Didn't watch the game huh?

Hightower started and was doing well (as was the Saints offense) and he had many more carries then Ingram. On 3rd series Ingram entered got 1 carry.

Next drive (4th by NO) they split carries. End result is 21-3 Saints lead with both backs having 1 TD. 11-3 edge to Tim in the 2nd quarter.

Then the "hiccup" occurred ... Mark Ingram rips off a 75 yard TD with 5 minutes left in the half. He hadn't gone past 17 yards in a run all season, until he did from the back-up position.

From that point on it was an almost even split.
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Great post.  Totally unbiased.

 
Im with all you guys being frustrated about Ingram.  I drafted him as my 1rb in a 16 team league, grabbed AJ Green 1st, but I firmly believe that there is something wrong with the relationship between him and Payton because I just can't grasp the concept behind Payton's actions here.  I stated before, Ingram averaged approximately 1 fumble per 170 carries where Hightower is 1 fumble per 63 carries.   Ingram is obviously the better talent, and if you don't see that your blind or just in denial. I know it was the 49ers but Ingram was averaging 10 yards a carry.  

Maybe he needed a fire lite under his a$$ but my god, if you don't want him on your team Payton trade him.  

 
Bottom line is that Ingram still touched the ball within 2 of his average normal touches week to week. He's always been in a committee. It's just that now Hightower seems to be dominating what is usually spread around quite a bit. Also, Brees attempted less passes than normal, and those snaps also went to Hightower. If Ingram keeps getting his normal touches, I guess I won't complain, especially if Hightower is tenderizing the defense with this hard fought sub 4 yards per carry.

 
tricky92 said:
Bottom line is that Ingram still touched the ball within 2 of his average normal touches week to week. He's always been in a committee. It's just that now Hightower seems to be dominating what is usually spread around quite a bit. Also, Brees attempted less passes than normal, and those snaps also went to Hightower. If Ingram keeps getting his normal touches, I guess I won't complain, especially if Hightower is tenderizing the defense with this hard fought sub 4 yards per carry.
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The problem is, NO doesn't play the SF run D every week.

The total rushing attempt pie will shrink against tougher run Ds and lousier game scripts.

We'll be right back to where we have been with Ingram.

This is probably the best sell high moment in fantasy history.

 
kyoun1e said:
The problem is, NO doesn't play the SF run D every week.

The total rushing attempt pie will shrink against tougher run Ds and lousier game scripts.

We'll be right back to where we have been with Ingram.

This is probably the best sell high moment in fantasy history.
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:goodposting:   Definitely the highest you can sell Ingram this season.  i dished him last week  on one team and im going to do my best to get rid of him on my other team this week.

 
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kyoun1e said:
The problem is, NO doesn't play the SF run D every week.

The total rushing attempt pie will shrink against tougher run Ds and lousier game scripts.

We'll be right back to where we have been with Ingram.

This is probably the best sell high moment in fantasy history.
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Yes, I'm expecting to be right back where we were with Ingram this season, and that's a solid RB2 who has some really nice weeks and some middling weeks. It is what it is, but I don't think it's the disaster that people are making it out to be. Good luck trying to sell high, though.

 
tricky92 said:
Yes, I'm expecting to be right back where we were with Ingram this season, and that's a solid RB2 who has some really nice weeks and some middling weeks. It is what it is, but I don't think it's the disaster that people are making it out to be. Good luck trying to sell high, though.
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Exactly. The concept of "buy low" (under-performing stud) or "sell high" doesn't exist in most leagues i'm in. People tend to pay attention to why a player is available, I doubt there's ever been a more suspicious demographic than FF players when it comes to trades.

 
I'm all for trying to sell Ingram now, but for what?

I've seen Gurley's name mentioned, but does the Gurley owner move him straight up for Ingram? And are we even sure Gurley is any better at this point?

The only guys I would for sure take over Ingram are: Elliott, Johnson, Gordon, Demarco Murray, Bell, Gore, Forte, Miller, Ajayi, and Ware. After that, they all have their issues just like Ingram.

 
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