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DesmondBishop
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I remember when people were predicting 250/1200/12 and some such, if they had said in 3 years... they would have been close. He is too slow to be a stud in today's NFL, I remember the Emmitt comparisons, and that is probably close, however, Emmitt had a beast O line and back then he was as fast or faster than most lb'ers... unlike Ingram.
No offense to those that made a big deal about it, but remember how it was his "short area quickness" that was going to be the difference maker. I think if he wasn't a first round pick, he may not be on the team at all, he is probable the 4th or 5th best RB on the team.
*Note* I have made COUNTLESS bad calls just like this, so I am not making fun of anyone and who knows maybe Ingram turns out to be good at some point. I remember when I thought this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_Smith was going to be the next Ravens stud RB and I can safely say it didn't happen. lol He does look like LL Cool J though.
No offense to those that made a big deal about it, but remember how it was his "short area quickness" that was going to be the difference maker. I think if he wasn't a first round pick, he may not be on the team at all, he is probable the 4th or 5th best RB on the team.
*Note* I have made COUNTLESS bad calls just like this, so I am not making fun of anyone and who knows maybe Ingram turns out to be good at some point. I remember when I thought this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_Smith was going to be the next Ravens stud RB and I can safely say it didn't happen. lol He does look like LL Cool J though.
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GROMS
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I traded up in our Dynasty league to get him. He's just been sitting on my bench ever since. It's that weird scenario where I don't want to cut him loose for fear that he finally decides to wake up on someone elses roster but deep down I don't think he will. Like to hear what other Dynasty owners who drafted Ingram are doing.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
probably silently weeping
Fantasy Bum
Footballguy
Take him out of New Orleans and put him on a team that is willing to utilize his talents by giving him 20 touches a game and you will think differently of him. I don't think he stinks, he is a victim of circumstance. Drafted to an organization that is basically an abyss for running backs. 6 carries a game is pathetic for someone of his immense skill set coming out of college. Heck, I will take him on the Jets in a heartbeat and kick Shonn Greene to the curb.
Ministry of Pain
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Reggie Bush stunk until he got to a team that could utilize him.
Pierre Thomas likely would have been a stud on any other team, dude has a great yard-per-touch avg.
Mark Ingram has looked pretty bad but I think there is a Cedric Benson type role awaiting him on whatever team he ends up on next. He just needs a team that is committed to the run which unfortunately these days is a dying breed in the NFL. I think it is unfortunate he was selected by New Orleans but eventually he will have a chance on a different team.
Pierre Thomas likely would have been a stud on any other team, dude has a great yard-per-touch avg.
Mark Ingram has looked pretty bad but I think there is a Cedric Benson type role awaiting him on whatever team he ends up on next. He just needs a team that is committed to the run which unfortunately these days is a dying breed in the NFL. I think it is unfortunate he was selected by New Orleans but eventually he will have a chance on a different team.
DocHolliday
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I think he is too slow for the NFL. I would not waste my time keeping him on your roster.
IIRC Bush was pretty good his first couple of years; not as a between-the-tackles RB, but was a terrific receiver and big play threat. He didn't live up to his draft pick as an every down back, but he did have explosiveness in space - weren't his first couple of seasons marred by injuries? I could swear there was a year where he was a top 3 fantasy RB in my ppr leagues until he got hurt. Or maybe I'm crazy. As for Ingram, I really don't know what to think of him. He should be doing more with limited opportunities. Maybe he's the kind of guy who thrives on a large number of touches, but it doesn't bode well that he can't seem to crack more than a few touches a game even if he doesn't fit their offense (and they traded up to get him, suggesting they would try and fit him into the offense somehow, but that hasn't seemed to work at all).
daveR
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Concept Coop
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Cato
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What? What's this? A draft pick may have busted? (Where the average success rate is close to 50%-60% for 1st round RBs.)
What? What's this? A RB who may bloom later? Ala Reggie Bush, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson.
If you bought him at initial price you overpaid, at least per results returned so far.
If you can buy him, at a discount price now, you may still reap a reward down the road. It just looks like it might be on his second team.
Fantasy football is projecting, and if anybody here is 100% in their projections, well congratulations on owning a time machine.
The trick I guess, is trying to have a high batting average, but I highly doubt there is anyone without a few strikeouts, as we're all trying to hit home runs.
Not sure why that's a big deal.
What? What's this? A RB who may bloom later? Ala Reggie Bush, Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson.
If you bought him at initial price you overpaid, at least per results returned so far.
If you can buy him, at a discount price now, you may still reap a reward down the road. It just looks like it might be on his second team.
Fantasy football is projecting, and if anybody here is 100% in their projections, well congratulations on owning a time machine.
The trick I guess, is trying to have a high batting average, but I highly doubt there is anyone without a few strikeouts, as we're all trying to hit home runs.
Not sure why that's a big deal.
oukurt
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WIll they ever just give him a game to tote the rock 25 times and say "show us your stuff". I am shocked we haven't seen this yet. Seems like every stat line I see is 10 carries for 44 yards and a catch or 2. Is he just not that good? He sure seemed like he was NFL ready at Bama.
Buffaloes
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The Saints had an entire role named after him. Sproles has thrived in that role ever since Bush left. As far as bell-cow type RBs, yeah, New Orleans doesn't really utilize them. But they used Bush plenty. He was just injured or generally ineffective most of his time in NO.
DesmondBishop
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Ingram has, 37 carries for 107 yards 2.9 YPC, has not averaged anywhere near 4YPC in any game this year, had a season high of 16 carries for 53 yards vs Carolina.
Thomas also has 37 carries but for 182 yards, but really got that in 1 game, 9 carries for 110 yards vs Carolina, outside of that he has only averaged 4YPC in 1 other game and that was a 4 carry game.
I said a long time ago (When they drafted Ingram) I think Ivory is the best RB on the team (Took quite a bit of flack for having that opinion), I still think that is the case, he is faster and more powerful than Ingram and runs very hard. It surprises me that on a team like this, that has struggled so much to run the ball, they haven't given him or even Cadet a chance to run the ball, cause clearly they could not do worse than Thomas and Ingram. Ivory in his 2 seasons had 137/716/5.2 and 79/374/4.7 the o line has not really changed that much, and clearly he was pretty good behind that line and in that offense.
I just wonder how long do you keep trying that 1st round pick over the walk-on FA, before you finally concede you f-d up.
Thomas also has 37 carries but for 182 yards, but really got that in 1 game, 9 carries for 110 yards vs Carolina, outside of that he has only averaged 4YPC in 1 other game and that was a 4 carry game.
I said a long time ago (When they drafted Ingram) I think Ivory is the best RB on the team (Took quite a bit of flack for having that opinion), I still think that is the case, he is faster and more powerful than Ingram and runs very hard. It surprises me that on a team like this, that has struggled so much to run the ball, they haven't given him or even Cadet a chance to run the ball, cause clearly they could not do worse than Thomas and Ingram. Ivory in his 2 seasons had 137/716/5.2 and 79/374/4.7 the o line has not really changed that much, and clearly he was pretty good behind that line and in that offense.
I just wonder how long do you keep trying that 1st round pick over the walk-on FA, before you finally concede you f-d up.
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ConnSKINS26
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DesmondBishop, it's obvious that you've just been watching the box scores, and not the games, if you're downplaying Pierre Thomas' performances like that.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I actually like Thomas quite a bit, he is a great receiver, but he is just an average runner, and I still think that Ivory is the best pure RB on the team. It is probably his lack of receiving skills and walk-on status that limits his opportunity. I have watched all but the Carolina game, and I know Thomas is a good player and hard runner, and I definitely think he is quite a bit better than Ingram. However, this wasn't a Thomas thread, it was an Ingram thread, I was simply pointing out the numbers they both have compiled thus far running the ball, and those are in fact correct.
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Concept Coop
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He's a short-yardage back this year; ignore YPC.
What's everyone's opinion on him going into 2013?
He's played 14 games this year and he's got an interesting split going:
Games 1-7
47 carries for 134 yards 1 TD (2.85 ypc) 1 rec for -1 yd
Games 8-14
78 carries for 376 yds 3 TDs (4.82 ypc) 4 rec for 23 yds
He's gotten double digit carries in 5 of the last 6 games (including 10 against a tough SF def, only 6 against Atl where he appeared to have been demoted to short yardage duties again). Overall, he's looked much better in the second half of the season. The coach has called him elite. What do you feel his chances are of 200 carries next year?
His last 7 games would project to 178 carries for 858 yards and 7 TDs. Nothing too exciting, but with a slightly heavier workload he could finally earn his keep.
To put things in perspective, some seem to like LeShoure but he's got 60 more carries than Ingram and Ingram has four 20+ yard runs to LeShoure's zero.
He's played 14 games this year and he's got an interesting split going:
Games 1-7
47 carries for 134 yards 1 TD (2.85 ypc) 1 rec for -1 yd
Games 8-14
78 carries for 376 yds 3 TDs (4.82 ypc) 4 rec for 23 yds
He's gotten double digit carries in 5 of the last 6 games (including 10 against a tough SF def, only 6 against Atl where he appeared to have been demoted to short yardage duties again). Overall, he's looked much better in the second half of the season. The coach has called him elite. What do you feel his chances are of 200 carries next year?
His last 7 games would project to 178 carries for 858 yards and 7 TDs. Nothing too exciting, but with a slightly heavier workload he could finally earn his keep.
To put things in perspective, some seem to like LeShoure but he's got 60 more carries than Ingram and Ingram has four 20+ yard runs to LeShoure's zero.
I believe his 2013 outlook is not much different than his 2012 outlook. He is stuck in too miserable of a situation and would need either a Brees injury, a coaching change (meaning Sean Peyton doesn't return), or possibly even a combination of both to carve out sustainable value next season.That said, since he has gotten healthy this year and is finally at least being used as a true starting running back, even if his touches are still maddeningly inconsistent and not nearly enough to truly balance this offense, he has shown he has plenty of talent to succeed.For dynasty leagues, he is an absolute "buy" in my opinion, even as his price continues to rise towards the end of this season, as I do not believe his value has come close to catching up to the performance he will provide once his situation changes.In redraft leagues, I can't see him as anything more than a high end RB3 next year...MAYBE a very low end RB2... simply because I do not feel at all comfortable about his usage on that team and in that situation.'FF Ninja said:
He could be a sleeper this week. Ivory is still limited in practice and Thomas showed up on the injury report today. Vitt seems to be committed to Ingram and the Cowboys are vunerable to the run. I could definitely see a line like 15 carries for 70 yards and a TD
That's a steep price but if you believe that hell pan out like I do. Then it's definitely worth it MJD doesn't share a load like Ingram though.
