Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
We'll all look forward to monitoring your forward-looking projections for the Pats this year, and comparing them to Yudkin's. It should be an interesting educational exercise.Adebisi said:
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Maroney confident he will break out in 2009 (1 Viewer)
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Adebisi
Footballguy
Why wait for this year? Why not compare his past preseason projections for Patriots players against those who don't claim to have inside information? Someone with historical FBG data could do this right now. Maybe there's even another staff member who follows the Patriots closely who you could compare his projections to. No need to delay your educational exercise if you think there's something to be gained by it.
-baller
Footballguy
ok, so here's my game by game breakdown:
I'll look at 2007 --- only his second year in the league, and from my very vague memory, I think he was coming in a little short off shoulder surgery, but I welcome corrections.
I don't think he was 100%.
week 1 38-14 (jets)
maroney 20/72/0
morris 11/54/0
and this is in the prototypical blowout game --- 20 carries out of new england's 30+.
before I go farther, let me just throw in the mention that new england had just replaced it's entire wr corps.
this has significance because in order to get better as a team, it makes all kinds of sense to throw the ball, using games as 'live ammo' practice --- brady said as much in one of his 'eei spots.
so, I really can't say how predictive these '07 regular season games will be for '09.
week 2 38-14 (chargers)
maroney 15/77/0
morris 10/51/1 (td scored w/3 min to play in 4th - garbage time)
week 3 38-7 (buffalo)
maroney 19/103/0
morris 12/46/1 (td scored w/3 min to play in third putting ne up 31-7)
week 4 34-13 (cincy)
morris 21/117/1
pats backs total up 29 rush attempts
after only 3 weeks the torch has now been passed.......for a couple games, anyway.
morris fills in again in week 5, only to get knocked out in week 6.
which one of these guys was supposed to be injury prone, again?
or is fred taylor going to be the last man standing?
you've got a couple weeks of no #1 rb, and maroney starts limping back in week 8 w/14 (of 28) carries for 75 yards.
I doubt he's been 100% a game all year, which could be considered a knock, I guess.
week 9 24-20 (indy)
maroney gets 15 (of 23) carries for only 59 yards (still no td's)
my recollection is that they abandoned the run in the second half and started chucking the ball to moss.
week 10 bye
week 11 56-10 (buffalo)
lol
I think this is one of those maroney mystery games, as I think the diaper incident was right around here, and he got taken out after only 6 carries (and a td!) and held out the second half in a huge blowout.
supposedly as insurance for some mystery foot injury.
week 12 31-28 (philly)
maroney gets 10 carries and a td, but I think this was all second half production.
I can't recall, but they might not have even rushed the ball once in the first half, opting to go entirely no huddle shotgun chucking the ball on every down.
you can say this is commentary on maroney, but belichick claimed it was just scheme circumstance --- philly was crowding the line, blitzing a lot of bodies, and belichick preferred to throw into thinner coverage rather than run into traffic.
week 13 hmmm...getting closer to the end of this -- thank god
only 13 of a paltry 21 carries against baltimore, who generally plays very tough against the run, although injuries killed their stats that year.
week 14 34-13 (pitt)
only 8 attempts, accounting for all of new england's total.
again, I don't know how much of this is on maroney and how much is scheme against a traditionally tough pittsburgh run defense.
up to this point, maroney hasn't produced much while coming off shoulder surgery and sustaining a couple other injuries.
I think it's safe to say he HAS gotten the majority of carries while on the field
week 15 was that slip n slide game in the rain vs jets
maroney gets 26 of 30 carries for 104 yds + 1 td
week 16
14 (of 21) for 156 and 1 vs 'phins
this would be the game people like to claim brady was determined to chuck it to moss to get him those td's.
week 17
19 (of 22)/46/2 vs giants
playoffs vs jax
22 (of 26)/122/1
vs sd
25/122/1
the second half of the year starts slow due to that mystery foot injury and scheme, but a healthy(?) maroney puts up round one production towards the end.
yeah, morris isn't there to vulture touches, but can you make the claim that he would've gotten his 10 carries in some of those close games?
faulk was still there, and I notice you listed him off as one of the 'rbbc' members.
who will be prevailing over the injury riddled maroney --- morris or taylor?
and this is coming from a sammy fan.
I'll look at 2007 --- only his second year in the league, and from my very vague memory, I think he was coming in a little short off shoulder surgery, but I welcome corrections.
I don't think he was 100%.
week 1 38-14 (jets)
maroney 20/72/0
morris 11/54/0
and this is in the prototypical blowout game --- 20 carries out of new england's 30+.
before I go farther, let me just throw in the mention that new england had just replaced it's entire wr corps.
this has significance because in order to get better as a team, it makes all kinds of sense to throw the ball, using games as 'live ammo' practice --- brady said as much in one of his 'eei spots.
so, I really can't say how predictive these '07 regular season games will be for '09.
week 2 38-14 (chargers)
maroney 15/77/0
morris 10/51/1 (td scored w/3 min to play in 4th - garbage time)
week 3 38-7 (buffalo)
maroney 19/103/0
morris 12/46/1 (td scored w/3 min to play in third putting ne up 31-7)
week 4 34-13 (cincy)
morris 21/117/1
pats backs total up 29 rush attempts
after only 3 weeks the torch has now been passed.......for a couple games, anyway.
morris fills in again in week 5, only to get knocked out in week 6.
which one of these guys was supposed to be injury prone, again?
or is fred taylor going to be the last man standing?
you've got a couple weeks of no #1 rb, and maroney starts limping back in week 8 w/14 (of 28) carries for 75 yards.
I doubt he's been 100% a game all year, which could be considered a knock, I guess.
week 9 24-20 (indy)
maroney gets 15 (of 23) carries for only 59 yards (still no td's)
my recollection is that they abandoned the run in the second half and started chucking the ball to moss.
week 10 bye
week 11 56-10 (buffalo)
lol
I think this is one of those maroney mystery games, as I think the diaper incident was right around here, and he got taken out after only 6 carries (and a td!) and held out the second half in a huge blowout.
supposedly as insurance for some mystery foot injury.
week 12 31-28 (philly)
maroney gets 10 carries and a td, but I think this was all second half production.
I can't recall, but they might not have even rushed the ball once in the first half, opting to go entirely no huddle shotgun chucking the ball on every down.
you can say this is commentary on maroney, but belichick claimed it was just scheme circumstance --- philly was crowding the line, blitzing a lot of bodies, and belichick preferred to throw into thinner coverage rather than run into traffic.
week 13 hmmm...getting closer to the end of this -- thank god
only 13 of a paltry 21 carries against baltimore, who generally plays very tough against the run, although injuries killed their stats that year.
week 14 34-13 (pitt)
only 8 attempts, accounting for all of new england's total.
again, I don't know how much of this is on maroney and how much is scheme against a traditionally tough pittsburgh run defense.
up to this point, maroney hasn't produced much while coming off shoulder surgery and sustaining a couple other injuries.
I think it's safe to say he HAS gotten the majority of carries while on the field
week 15 was that slip n slide game in the rain vs jets
maroney gets 26 of 30 carries for 104 yds + 1 td
week 16
14 (of 21) for 156 and 1 vs 'phins
this would be the game people like to claim brady was determined to chuck it to moss to get him those td's.
week 17
19 (of 22)/46/2 vs giants
playoffs vs jax
22 (of 26)/122/1
vs sd
25/122/1
the second half of the year starts slow due to that mystery foot injury and scheme, but a healthy(?) maroney puts up round one production towards the end.
yeah, morris isn't there to vulture touches, but can you make the claim that he would've gotten his 10 carries in some of those close games?
faulk was still there, and I notice you listed him off as one of the 'rbbc' members.
who will be prevailing over the injury riddled maroney --- morris or taylor?
and this is coming from a sammy fan.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Well, I'd also need to compare his projections to your widely publicized rankings. For some reason, I haven't been able to find those anywhere.Why wait for this year? Why not compare his past preseason projections for Patriots players against those who don't claim to have inside information? Someone with historical FBG data could do this right now. Maybe there's even another staff member who follows the Patriots closely who you could compare his projections to. No need to delay your educational exercise if you think there's something to be gained by it.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Interesting. I didn't remember his 2007 in detail, but those seem like pretty good overall numbers. The guy just hasn't stayed healthy....
-baller
Footballguy
haha...as I mentioned, I passed on him a couple times in 'o7, and only became a 'maroney owner' in the technical sense at the end of the year, after he had been cut.I can't remember what happened to him in our draft last year.
-baller
Footballguy
I would just like to add a little something for illustration, since I'm on the stat roll ---- people like to claim that new england has no interest in running the ball, or simply can't do it effectively, but while you can pick a few of those '07 games to support this, that's mostly circumstantial scheme.
there are plenty of other games from that season where they ran the ball plenty, and ran it effectively, probably the most memorable of which was the playoff game vs san diego where they pounded it down san diego's throat about 20x in the second half alone, culminating in a game killing 9 min drive.
turn the clock back to '06 and you can find them throwing the ball 43x to the likes of reche caldwell and doug gabriel, while running only 13x to beat the 'immovable' minny defense 31-7.
and who got 8 of those 13 carries in his rookie year.....?
the pats adapt to game circumstance and do whatever they happen to feel is best to win games.
there are plenty of other games from that season where they ran the ball plenty, and ran it effectively, probably the most memorable of which was the playoff game vs san diego where they pounded it down san diego's throat about 20x in the second half alone, culminating in a game killing 9 min drive.
turn the clock back to '06 and you can find them throwing the ball 43x to the likes of reche caldwell and doug gabriel, while running only 13x to beat the 'immovable' minny defense 31-7.
and who got 8 of those 13 carries in his rookie year.....?
the pats adapt to game circumstance and do whatever they happen to feel is best to win games.
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Adebisi
Footballguy
For the purposes of comparing DY's Patriots projections to the projections of someone who doesn't claim to have any insider access? Why, exactly? There is plenty of historical data available in the FBG database, from what I understand. If this is the valuable educational exercise that you seem to think it may be, why don't you just compare DY's Patriots projections against those of other FBG staff memebers? Surely, there must be quite a few staff members who don't claim to be Patriots insiders.Well, I'd also need to compare his projections to your widely publicized rankings. For some reason, I haven't been able to find those anywhere.Why wait for this year? Why not compare his past preseason projections for Patriots players against those who don't claim to have inside information? Someone with historical FBG data could do this right now. Maybe there's even another staff member who follows the Patriots closely who you could compare his projections to. No need to delay your educational exercise if you think there's something to be gained by it.
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Adebisi
Footballguy
Baller, before I respond, I need to ask you (in all sincerity; I think you're a good poster and you know your stuff, and I'm not trying to sound like a jerk when I ask this), what is the point that you are driving at here? Are you arguing that Maroney has a shot to be "the guy" in New England? Or just that he's capable of being that guy? Or that he's never been given a fair shot to carry the load?
I need to know where you're coming from and what you're driving at before I respond.
For the record, I don't think he will be given the chance to carry the load in NE this year [barring injury], I don't think he's capable of being productive in that role over a full season [unless maybe if it was his free agent year], and I do believe he has had ample opportunity to carry the load in New England. But before I get into any sort of detail on any of these points, I'd like to know where you're coming from and where you stand with that well thought out and detailed post that you put up.
I need to know where you're coming from and what you're driving at before I respond.
For the record, I don't think he will be given the chance to carry the load in NE this year [barring injury], I don't think he's capable of being productive in that role over a full season [unless maybe if it was his free agent year], and I do believe he has had ample opportunity to carry the load in New England. But before I get into any sort of detail on any of these points, I'd like to know where you're coming from and where you stand with that well thought out and detailed post that you put up.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
So here is what I don't get. If NE hates him so much why isnt he cut? NE is not shy about canning guys.With 2 years left any chance they get him some production and then ship him out for pocket change if someone wants him?-baller said:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
In his three years in the league, here are the ypcs for NEs primary backs in that time . . .
Kevin Faulk 170-895-4-5.26
Sammy Morris 241-1111-10-4.61
LaMont Jordan 80-363-4-4.54
Laurence Maroney 388-1673-12-4.31
Corey Dillon 199-812-13-4.08
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 74-275-5-3.72
Heath Evans 72-261-3-3.62
Maroney has averaged a shade over 12 carries a game over his career. I would contend that New England discovered early on that Maroney was not the guy they thought they drafted and they found he was softer than expected. Thus the job share with Dillon to start his career. I would also suggest that the reason he did as well as he did at the end of the 2007 was based more out of necessity than anything else . . . the Pats didn't have many other options as Morris was on IR.
If NE really wanted to make Maroney "the man" after his strong finish to 2007, they had an odd way of showing it by signing Jordan and drafting BJGE. This year, they went out and added Taylor.
At this point, I see Maroney as a between the 20s type of runner that gets pulled on short yardage, goal line, third down, and passing plays. I suggest he could still get 10-15 carries but not many receptions or TD. I believe NE will begin the game with a planned rotation of backs until they see who is being productive and then may go with the most productive back for some extra carries later in the game. For the most part, fantasy owners will have to live with 50-60 total yards and very few scores or passing yards on days they don't forgo the run. The caveat, of course, IF HE'S HEALTHY.
Kevin Faulk 170-895-4-5.26
Sammy Morris 241-1111-10-4.61
LaMont Jordan 80-363-4-4.54
Laurence Maroney 388-1673-12-4.31
Corey Dillon 199-812-13-4.08
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 74-275-5-3.72
Heath Evans 72-261-3-3.62
Maroney has averaged a shade over 12 carries a game over his career. I would contend that New England discovered early on that Maroney was not the guy they thought they drafted and they found he was softer than expected. Thus the job share with Dillon to start his career. I would also suggest that the reason he did as well as he did at the end of the 2007 was based more out of necessity than anything else . . . the Pats didn't have many other options as Morris was on IR.
If NE really wanted to make Maroney "the man" after his strong finish to 2007, they had an odd way of showing it by signing Jordan and drafting BJGE. This year, they went out and added Taylor.
At this point, I see Maroney as a between the 20s type of runner that gets pulled on short yardage, goal line, third down, and passing plays. I suggest he could still get 10-15 carries but not many receptions or TD. I believe NE will begin the game with a planned rotation of backs until they see who is being productive and then may go with the most productive back for some extra carries later in the game. For the most part, fantasy owners will have to live with 50-60 total yards and very few scores or passing yards on days they don't forgo the run. The caveat, of course, IF HE'S HEALTHY.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Maroney's contract is very reasonable cost wise especially the way salaries have escalated. To replace him with someone else that's proven would cost more money, which is essentially what happened in adding Taylor. At this point, they haven't traded him because being out for almost a year has left his trade value pretty low. And we all know that RBs in real football are not valued the same as in fantasy. Until he can prove he can stay healthy and productive, teams will not offer much for him. They could release him outright, but they would lose $900K as a cap hit and would not save anything (he only has a $600,000 salary this year).
Adebisi
Footballguy
Agreed on all counts.
T Bell
Footballguy
Alien abductions?He's been imprisoned in Guantanamo?
He's committed for 36 weeks in the lead role for Hello Dolly?
. . . or is this just their way of saying he's "soft"?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Right, and if that is the case, props to NE for not just trying to cut and run with this guy and allowing him to stay within the organization and I assume he has or is getting treatment. People in the real world are crazy as anything, lots of them, seems pretty normal that once in awhile a 1st round player drafted in the NFL might have some serious psyche problems. Bonus question...Who was also in the backfield with Maroney in college?
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
If people don't know this, they shouldn't be in the Shark Pool.
Phlash
Footballguy
This is going to come off as extremely rumory but the year Maroney got drafted by the league, I had friends who went to a party with him, and he apparently was toking a bit of the happy herb with them. I'm not sure if that's related to what David is talking about, however.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
No one has rushed to the podium quite yet but I know you know so let some others do the research. I don't know exactly why but I find it very ironic.My personal opinion on Maroney is he showed some very flashy and nice moves as well as some awful nice power when he first came out of the box his rookie season but then it all tunr ed bad and he has had injuries and obviously other things happen. Maybe a change of scenery would do him good and he could resurrect his career. The fact the Pats keep him instead of cutting him means to me that they still believe he can get it done. Pats are not stupid.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
That makes one of us!
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I've mentioned many times that the best thing for Maroney is to get on to another team. But since that has not happened as of yet, I would say either of the following needs to happen for him to get on the right track in New England.1) Maroney changes his running style and becomes more of a power back and less of a finesse back. Many times he is tenative and indecisive in the backfield, almost like he doesn't know where to go or what to do. And that's at the start of plays. Certainly he needs to learn to finish off runs, and last year both Morris and Jordan showed the ability to take a no gain into 3 or 4 yard gains by lowering their shoulders and moving the pile. I remember plays where Maroney was half a yard from a first down and stepped out of bounds rather than hit a defender to get the first down.2) The Pats realize that Maroney as constituted is more of a finesse back that does well in space but not so well in traffic. They amend their blocking and running schemes to more sweeps, pitch plays, and cut backs than straight ahead move the pile plays. I am really dumbfounded why they don't throw to him more, as he at times has been lethal in the flat or on screen plays. If I were New England, I would run a play where Moss and Welker were lined up on the same side and have them run downfield and then have Maroney run a route right into the space those two had vacated just past the LOS. That would be very difficult to defend.Given that I don't see either of those happening, I would expect more of what we have seen . . . Maroney the square peg trying to get fitted into a round hole. I also think that Taylor's game is similar to Maroney's, and I wonder how Taylor will fit in and what impact he will have on Maroney's touches.
-baller
Footballguy
haha...you don't sound like a jerk.I just basically want to get the facts out there because I see so much hyperbole, exaggeration, and misinformation on my beloved pats.
I suppose it happens on all teams, but I'm just a lot more familiar w/the pats.
not to pick on yudkin, but stuff like this compels me to post:
"If NE really wanted to make Maroney "the man" after his strong finish to 2007, they had an odd way of showing it by signing Jordan and drafting BJGE. This year, they went out and added Taylor."
dude.......
I think you really put your nutsack on the chopping block on that one.
maybe reign it in a little?
by the way, I should probably emphasize how much all of this really depends on value and your individual league settings.
there's always all these arguments on here when really so much of it is league specific.
we can start 3 rb in my 12 man idp league, and draft 20+ rounds.
I wouldn't touch maroney in the second, like where a lot off fantasy gurus had him pegged in '07, but in a later round I think he could be a good gamble.
if you play in an 8 man start 2 rb league, and only get 3 bench, I probably wouldn't be as excited about drafting him.
despite what yudkin would like to believe, with all his nonsense, the facts are that in '07 they were giving maroney the rock 2x for every carry morris got, and the other backs were irrelevant.
he was then IR'd almost the entire '08 season, which is a legit concern, but do a couple previous injuries mean he'll never be healthy?
what I'd actually be more concerned about, and what I never see anybody talk about when maroney comes up, is what exactly was the nature of his injury last year, and why did he hit IR so quickly.
maybe yudkin can pass on the hyperbole and give us some good inside info on that one.
was it the same shoulder he had the surgery on prior to '07?
did it require further surgery?
-baller
Footballguy
oh yeah --- I forgot about this.gary russell.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
xOK OK you're technically right but there was another back who is much more widely known who shared the backfield with Maroney before that. Since you pulled Gary Russell out of your hat, I assume you know the other.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I have mentioned about three dozen times over the past couple years and even this off season that fantasy wise Maroney is a RB3 in a 12-team league with likely a couple of big weeks and a decent injury or bye week fill-in. I, too, play in larger leagues including 16-team start 4-5 RB leagues, so clearly he has a fair amount of value in those style leagues. His fantasy value gets a big hit because of his injury history, and not playing for several weeks makes him a liability.
In their three games together in 2007, Maroney had 54 carries. Morris had 33. And 18 of Maroney's carries were in the 4th quarter with New England up by 3 TD or more in all three games. Will NE be that far ahead consistently this year? Even if they are, the fact is this year they do have a lot of RB depth, and I'm not sure Maroney would keep up a pace of 100 fourth quarter carries over a full season.
I'm not sure you can teach health, but the issue for Maroney has been he plays soft AND he gets hurt a lot. Certainly teammate Fred Taylor has shown that a RB can be hurt frequently and go on to mostly stay in the lineup. But Taylor had a vote of confidence from coaching staff and they did not get squeamish about trotting him out there. Maroney appears to have gotten into the doghouse, most likely for not finishing off plays and getting trapped behind the line too many times.
I agree that much of this is where the mystery arises, as it does seem that the Pats were even less talkative about Maroney than they normally are. From asking around, it appears to me that there were alternative forces at work that contributed to him going on I.R., and even Maroney alluded to them in interviews last year. All I could find out was that his placement on injured reserve was a combination of football and not football related issues, and I could never get a confirmation or a majority on what that meant or what that issue (or issues) was/were.I had heard whispers of a lot of things . . . AIDS, depression, drugs, etc. but the more I asked the more I began to wear out my welcome and no explanation was ever given to me.So IMO, Maroney needs to be healthy AND have resolved whatever off-field issues he had . . . making his outlook that much more challenging to predict.
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Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Maroney confident he will break out in 2009?
Is he expecting acne?
Is he expecting a diaper rash?
I'd say those are more likely than him becoming relevant as an NFL RB.
Is he expecting acne?
Is he expecting a diaper rash?
I'd say those are more likely than him becoming relevant as an NFL RB.
-baller
Footballguy
hahaha....
anyway, I did some investigative journalism...
He said the problem was with the same shoulder he had surgery on prior to last season, but said the injury is in a different area.
http://patriotsblog.net/2008/09/26/laurenc...g-a-lot-better/
anyway, I did some investigative journalism...
He said the problem was with the same shoulder he had surgery on prior to last season, but said the injury is in a different area.
http://patriotsblog.net/2008/09/26/laurenc...g-a-lot-better/
-baller
Footballguy
yes.
-baller
Footballguy
I'll reach back a little farther in order to present the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.....
2006 offseason
Maroney had off-season shoulder surgery that revealed "fairly significant damage," according to a league source, though the long-term impact is unclear. Maroney felt shoulder pain down the stretch and in the playoffs that limited his ability to absorb contact. He underwent exploratory surgery that revealed more damage than anticipated, and corrective surgery was performed. Team spokesman Stacey James could not confirm last night if Maroney is taking part in the team’s offseason conditioning program. Reported by the Boston Herald
Diehards Line:
The exact nature of his injury is unclear, though it was enough to land Maroney in a sling. The surgery is just the latest physical setback for the running back, who also suffered torn rib cartilage and a minor knee sprain during the season. ...
http://www.footballdiehards.com/fantasy-fo...Views-5664.html
2006 rookie Season
Finished second in the NFL with a 28.0-yard kickoff return avg
Led the team is rushing yards seven times in 2006 (vs. BUF, vs. DEN, at CIN, vs. IND, at GB, at JAX, at TEN)
Recorded his first career NFL touchdown with a 1-yard run in the Patriots' 24-17 win over the N.Y. Jets (9/17/06)
Buffalo (9/10): Played in a reserve role at running back ... Led the team with 17 carries and 86 rushing yards in the Patriots' 19-17 victory over the Bills
at N.Y. Jets (9/17): Played in a reserve role at running back and collected 65 rushing yards on 16 carries and a touchdown in the Patriots' 24-17 win over the N.Y. Jets .
at Cincinnati (10/1): Played in a reserve role at running back ... Named FedEx Ground Player of the Week and Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Week after carrying the ball 15 times for 125 yards and two touchdowns in the Patriots' commanding 38-13 victory over the Bengals
Miami (10/8): Played in a reserve role at running back and collected 38 rushing yards on 18 carries in the Patriots' 20-10 win over the Dolphins
at Green Bay (11/19): Led the team with 82 rushing yards on 19 carries in the Patriots' 35-0 road victory over the Packers ... Grabbed four passes for 34 yards and touchdown in the win .
at Miami (12/10): Inactive. Houston (12/17): Inactive.
Houston (12/17): Inactive.
at Tennessee (12/31): Played in a reserve role at running back ... Led the team with 73 rushing yards on 13 carries and a touchdown in the Patriots' 40-23 victory over the Titans ... Snared two reception in the win ... Kept a Patriots' scoring drive alive with a 2-yard run on third-and-one on the final play of the first quarter .
2005 • JUNIOR SEASON: 2005 • JUNIOR SEASON:
finished third on the school’s single-season rushing attempts list with 281 despite suffering an injury against Indiana that forced him to miss the Michigan State game (11/12) and most of the Iowa game(11/19).
carried the ball a career-high 46 times for 217 yards rushing against Purdue (9/24)
carried 36 times for 129 yards and a touchdown against Michigan (10/8)
ran for a career high 258 yards on 43 carries and a touchdown against Wisconsin (10/15)
2004 • SOPHOMORE SEASON:
became only the third player in school history to rush for at least 1,000 yards in consecutive seasons and led the team in rushing with 1,348 yards on 217 attempts
ran for 105 yards on a career-high 29 carries in the Gophers’ Music City Bowl victory over Alabama
participated in 457 plays
2003 • FRESHMAN SEASON:
appeared in 13 games with two starts - at Penn State (9/27) and vs. Oregon (12/31) • carried the ball 162 times for 1,121 yards and 10 touchdowns • his 1,121 yards rushing were the most of any freshman in the nation
became the 60th freshman in NCAA history to rush for 1,000 yards
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?SPS...o&bio=32009
http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.db...p;Q_SEASON=2005
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hey, I found this nugget from an expert on short yardage and maroney.....
(I meant a football expert)
But can Maroney handle the short-yardage duties?
Last year, Maroney was not an effective goal-line rusher, converting only 3 of 8 (38%) attempts. That compares to Dillon's conversion of 9 of 14 attempts (64%). But we're talking about a small sample size so it's best not to get too overwhelmed by Maroney's numbers. In college, at the University of Minnesota, Maroney was a beast in short yardage; and his low center of gravity and strong leg push point to someone that's ideally suited to handle short yardage carries at the NFL level. And while his goal line numbers weren't stellar, he proved himself adequate in short yardage, converting 60% (21 of 35) of his short yardage rushed (3 yards or shorter) into first downs.
A BEAST!
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/0...ht-MaroLa00.php
2006 offseason
Maroney had off-season shoulder surgery that revealed "fairly significant damage," according to a league source, though the long-term impact is unclear. Maroney felt shoulder pain down the stretch and in the playoffs that limited his ability to absorb contact. He underwent exploratory surgery that revealed more damage than anticipated, and corrective surgery was performed. Team spokesman Stacey James could not confirm last night if Maroney is taking part in the team’s offseason conditioning program. Reported by the Boston Herald
Diehards Line:
The exact nature of his injury is unclear, though it was enough to land Maroney in a sling. The surgery is just the latest physical setback for the running back, who also suffered torn rib cartilage and a minor knee sprain during the season. ...
http://www.footballdiehards.com/fantasy-fo...Views-5664.html
2006 rookie Season
Finished second in the NFL with a 28.0-yard kickoff return avg
Led the team is rushing yards seven times in 2006 (vs. BUF, vs. DEN, at CIN, vs. IND, at GB, at JAX, at TEN)
Recorded his first career NFL touchdown with a 1-yard run in the Patriots' 24-17 win over the N.Y. Jets (9/17/06)
Buffalo (9/10): Played in a reserve role at running back ... Led the team with 17 carries and 86 rushing yards in the Patriots' 19-17 victory over the Bills
at N.Y. Jets (9/17): Played in a reserve role at running back and collected 65 rushing yards on 16 carries and a touchdown in the Patriots' 24-17 win over the N.Y. Jets .
at Cincinnati (10/1): Played in a reserve role at running back ... Named FedEx Ground Player of the Week and Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Week after carrying the ball 15 times for 125 yards and two touchdowns in the Patriots' commanding 38-13 victory over the Bengals
Miami (10/8): Played in a reserve role at running back and collected 38 rushing yards on 18 carries in the Patriots' 20-10 win over the Dolphins
at Green Bay (11/19): Led the team with 82 rushing yards on 19 carries in the Patriots' 35-0 road victory over the Packers ... Grabbed four passes for 34 yards and touchdown in the win .
at Miami (12/10): Inactive. Houston (12/17): Inactive.
Houston (12/17): Inactive.
at Tennessee (12/31): Played in a reserve role at running back ... Led the team with 73 rushing yards on 13 carries and a touchdown in the Patriots' 40-23 victory over the Titans ... Snared two reception in the win ... Kept a Patriots' scoring drive alive with a 2-yard run on third-and-one on the final play of the first quarter .
2005 • JUNIOR SEASON: 2005 • JUNIOR SEASON:
finished third on the school’s single-season rushing attempts list with 281 despite suffering an injury against Indiana that forced him to miss the Michigan State game (11/12) and most of the Iowa game(11/19).
carried the ball a career-high 46 times for 217 yards rushing against Purdue (9/24)
carried 36 times for 129 yards and a touchdown against Michigan (10/8)
ran for a career high 258 yards on 43 carries and a touchdown against Wisconsin (10/15)
2004 • SOPHOMORE SEASON:
became only the third player in school history to rush for at least 1,000 yards in consecutive seasons and led the team in rushing with 1,348 yards on 217 attempts
ran for 105 yards on a career-high 29 carries in the Gophers’ Music City Bowl victory over Alabama
participated in 457 plays
2003 • FRESHMAN SEASON:
appeared in 13 games with two starts - at Penn State (9/27) and vs. Oregon (12/31) • carried the ball 162 times for 1,121 yards and 10 touchdowns • his 1,121 yards rushing were the most of any freshman in the nation
became the 60th freshman in NCAA history to rush for 1,000 yards
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?SPS...o&bio=32009
http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.db...p;Q_SEASON=2005
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hey, I found this nugget from an expert on short yardage and maroney.....
(I meant a football expert)
But can Maroney handle the short-yardage duties?
Last year, Maroney was not an effective goal-line rusher, converting only 3 of 8 (38%) attempts. That compares to Dillon's conversion of 9 of 14 attempts (64%). But we're talking about a small sample size so it's best not to get too overwhelmed by Maroney's numbers. In college, at the University of Minnesota, Maroney was a beast in short yardage; and his low center of gravity and strong leg push point to someone that's ideally suited to handle short yardage carries at the NFL level. And while his goal line numbers weren't stellar, he proved himself adequate in short yardage, converting 60% (21 of 35) of his short yardage rushed (3 yards or shorter) into first downs.
A BEAST!
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/0...ht-MaroLa00.php
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T Bell
Footballguy
Bob Hope?
anakin
Footballguy
Nope close though..Larry Boy shared a backfield with Marion Barber so we should reason that neither are capable of being full time starters because neither one every did in college?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Actually, both Maroney and Barber saw a very big worlkload at the University of Minnesota.Maroney averaged 25.5 carries a game his final season and Barber 21 carrie a game his final year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Correctomundo, however I don't totally agree with youon the workload part.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
It is all about value with him. Yes, he has upside, but you simply can't draft him (or trade for him) with the expectation that he fulfills most of that upside. You have to get him for little to make it worthwhile. So if people think he is a 10th round pick (just using an example as I haven't checked his ADP) then it is OK to get him in the 9th because of the upside potential, but it would be folly to draft him 3 rounds early.VALUE
munchkin
Footballguy
Patriots fans who are dumbfounded by Maroney's inconsistencies sooth themselves with the hard nosed runner who took the ball inside on a very big and physical defense and moved the pile and flog themselves with images of the ballerina dancing aimlessly away from contact looking for a soft landing.
I am not a psychologist or a doctor so I don't know what is up with this guy but my GUESS would be that he does not play well when he is dinged up (which is too often to be productive).
I am not a psychologist or a doctor so I don't know what is up with this guy but my GUESS would be that he does not play well when he is dinged up (which is too often to be productive).
Crabs?
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
So the question is - as of right now what number back is he on your redraft roster? I am saying 3rd.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Caddy is consistently good when not injured. Maroney is not consistently good, ever.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
His comments read like someone trying to make progress with a sports psychologist on positive outlook / confidence issues....
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Serious question: Could he be gay and is having trouble dealing with it/dealing with the team in the locker room, etc? No idea, but that would an off field issue that you don't see anything about or that no one will talk about, unlike having kids or a dying mother or something like that.
switz
Footballguy
For goodness sakes, it was Marion Barber. What took so long for people to respond... must be the Barber love that makes people refuse to admit he's a part time back and always has been.
Avery
Footballguy
Serious out of left field guess there... but anything is possible, I guess.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
yeah, not trying to cause a stir or anything. Just thinking of something that would be off the field, make it difficult to concentrate on football, but not be a "human interest story" on some Boston paper.Serious out of left field guess there... but anything is possible, I guess.
-baller
Footballguy
ok, I thought I'd try to get a rough guesstimate of lomo's adp for the sake of conversation.
http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.p...s=12&pos=rb
12 teamer - he goes bottom 11th, sandwiched right between sammy and taylor.
http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.p...s=12&pos=rb
12 teamer - he goes bottom 11th, sandwiched right between sammy and taylor.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Anybody else notice the age of the other Patriot RBs? Not exactly spring chickens.
Fred Taylor - 33
Sammy Morris - 32
Kevin Faulk - 33 (in a few weeks)
And Maroney, Green-Ellis are basically the same age.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis - 23 (will be 24 when training camp starts)
Maroney - 24 (only 5 months older than Green-Ellis)
Fred Taylor - 33
Sammy Morris - 32
Kevin Faulk - 33 (in a few weeks)
And Maroney, Green-Ellis are basically the same age.
BenJarvus Green-Ellis - 23 (will be 24 when training camp starts)
Maroney - 24 (only 5 months older than Green-Ellis)
