Maroney confident he will break out in 2009 (1 Viewer)

[-baller]

yeah, I noticed.

I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

 

[Bill]

i am a life long patriots fan and i have to laugh at maroney's statement. he's confident he will break out-yeah right. thats like me every saturday night-i am confident that i will hit megabucks. and guess what? its only wishful thinking!

i actually hope the pats trade him or just plain drop him. its time for the pats to move on.

 

[Gopher State]

So here is what I don't get. If NE hates him so much why isnt he cut? NE is not shy about canning guys.With 2 years left any chance they get him some production and then ship him out for pocket change if someone wants him?

Maroney's contract is very reasonable cost wise especially the way salaries have escalated. To replace him with someone else that's proven would cost more money, which is essentially what happened in adding Taylor. At this point, they haven't traded him because being out for almost a year has left his trade value pretty low. And we all know that RBs in real football are not valued the same as in fantasy. Until he can prove he can stay healthy and productive, teams will not offer much for him. They could release him outright, but they would lose $900K as a cap hit and would not save anything (he only has a $600,000 salary this year).

100 percent on the money here, very

 

[T Bell]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

Fred Taylor has averaged 12.7 games played and 220 carries over 11 seasons, which includes one season with only 2 games played before a season-ending injury. There are a LOT of RB's who would envy being made of such "glass" . . . including Laurence Maroney who has averaged but 10 games per season in his career and whose career best season attempts total is 185. Maroney doesn't belong in the same sentence as Taylor when it comes to durability.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

Fred Taylor has averaged 12.7 games played and 220 carries over 11 seasons, which includes one season with only 2 games played before a season-ending injury. There are a LOT of RB's who would envy being made of such "glass" . . . including Laurence Maroney who has averaged but 10 games per season in his career and whose career best season attempts total is 185. Maroney doesn't belong in the same sentence as Taylor when it comes to durability.

TBell - given Fred's history in his early years, hopefully you see the humor in your statement above.

 

[T Bell]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

Fred Taylor has averaged 12.7 games played and 220 carries over 11 seasons, which includes one season with only 2 games played before a season-ending injury. There are a LOT of RB's who would envy being made of such "glass" . . . including Laurence Maroney who has averaged but 10 games per season in his career and whose career best season attempts total is 185. Maroney doesn't belong in the same sentence as Taylor when it comes to durability.

TBell - given Fred's history in his early years, hopefully you see the humor in your statement above.

What's there to be humorous about? Why should I presume that Maroney will become a workhorse franchise RB over the course of more than a decade like Fred Taylor did when he's shown so little at this point? Even restricting the analysis to each guy's first three years puts Taylor easily ahead of Maroney. Again, where's the laughs here?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

Fred Taylor has averaged 12.7 games played and 220 carries over 11 seasons, which includes one season with only 2 games played before a season-ending injury. There are a LOT of RB's who would envy being made of such "glass" . . . including Laurence Maroney who has averaged but 10 games per season in his career and whose career best season attempts total is 185. Maroney doesn't belong in the same sentence as Taylor when it comes to durability.

TBell - given Fred's history in his early years, hopefully you see the humor in your statement above.

What's there to be humorous about? Why should I presume that Maroney will become a workhorse franchise RB over the course of more than a decade like Fred Taylor did when he's shown so little at this point? Even restricting the analysis to each guy's first three years puts Taylor easily ahead of Maroney. Again, where's the laughs here?

Nobody is saying Maroney is going to match Fred Taylor's career.The point is that all the running backs on the Pats' roster have injury concerns. Taylor was gimpy last year and has a history of missing time. Morris has missed 3, 10, and 4 games the last 3 years. Faulk has missed time several times. Going forward, none of them are expected to play 16 games.The biggest common denominator of those three RBs is that they are old (for RBs). Is it less likely or more likely for an older Rb to get hurt, on average? How long are these RBs going to remain viable NFL-caliber RBs? The NFL is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. It only takes one good, injury-free season for a young RB to get back on track. Maroney is only 24 years old. He played in 14 and 13 games in 06-07, and was fantasy relevant in both years. He was a disapoointment, but still a RB3. Last year was a lost year for him.It seems clear that the Pats are going to be a RBBC this year, so none of the RBs have much fantasy value.... but Faulk is only a 3rd down back, and the other three Rbs are all unlikely to play 16 games, so one of them may have worth over a several game span. If Maroney shows a little something, he may be in line for fantasy relevance in 2010 or 2011, with an outside shot as early as this year. He has not been a scrub-level bust, he just hasn't reached expectations. He averaged 4.5 and 4.3 ypc in his first two seasons, he's shown NFL-level physical talent... he just needs to stay healthy and get in a better situation, fantasy-wise.He's being drafted as RB52... there is no downside there.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

What's there to be humorous about? Why should I presume that Maroney will become a workhorse franchise RB over the course of more than a decade like Fred Taylor did when he's shown so little at this point? Even restricting the analysis to each guy's first three years puts Taylor easily ahead of Maroney. Again, where's the laughs here?

Nobody is saying Maroney is going to match Fred Taylor's career.The point is that all the running backs on the Pats' roster have injury concerns. Taylor was gimpy last year and has a history of missing time. Morris has missed 3, 10, and 4 games the last 3 years. Faulk has missed time several times. Going forward, none of them are expected to play 16 games.The biggest common denominator of those three RBs is that they are old (for RBs). Is it less likely or more likely for an older Rb to get hurt, on average? How long are these RBs going to remain viable NFL-caliber RBs? The NFL is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. It only takes one good, injury-free season for a young RB to get back on track. Maroney is only 24 years old. He played in 14 and 13 games in 06-07, and was fantasy relevant in both years. He was a disapoointment, but still a RB3. Last year was a lost year for him.It seems clear that the Pats are going to be a RBBC this year, so none of the RBs have much fantasy value.... but Faulk is only a 3rd down back, and the other three Rbs are all unlikely to play 16 games, so one of them may have worth over a several game span. If Maroney shows a little something, he may be in line for fantasy relevance in 2010 or 2011, with an outside shot as early as this year. He has not been a scrub-level bust, he just hasn't reached expectations. He averaged 4.5 and 4.3 ypc in his first two seasons, he's shown NFL-level physical talent... he just needs to stay healthy and get in a better situation, fantasy-wise.He's being drafted as RB52... there is no downside there.

Exactly, not to mention that Taylor, Morris and Faulk will be on average ~33 years old when the season starts. It's not like we're talking about a bunch of young dudes, we're talking about guys who are a couple years older than Shaun Alexander.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

An interesting point, to me at least:

In other threads about general strategy and player values, there is a trend towards WRs carrying more of a premium than RBs. The proposed reason for this is that Rs get hurt more, thus you can find starters on the waiver wire. I don't fully prescribe to this theory, but more than a few do.

Maroney is in a situation that might allow him to "come out of nowhere". Except it wouldn't be out of nowhere, we already know he can play.

Yet some are all but writing him off, a la Cedric Benson. Now Benson is a viable starter, but Maroney, who had outplayed Benson before last year, has no value and is a bust?

Shortsighted, imo, especially when we are talking about a 24 year old.

 

[T Bell]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

Fred Taylor has averaged 12.7 games played and 220 carries over 11 seasons, which includes one season with only 2 games played before a season-ending injury. There are a LOT of RB's who would envy being made of such "glass" . . . including Laurence Maroney who has averaged but 10 games per season in his career and whose career best season attempts total is 185. Maroney doesn't belong in the same sentence as Taylor when it comes to durability.

TBell - given Fred's history in his early years, hopefully you see the humor in your statement above.

What's there to be humorous about? Why should I presume that Maroney will become a workhorse franchise RB over the course of more than a decade like Fred Taylor did when he's shown so little at this point? Even restricting the analysis to each guy's first three years puts Taylor easily ahead of Maroney. Again, where's the laughs here?

Nobody is saying Maroney is going to match Fred Taylor's career.The point is that all the running backs on the Pats' roster have injury concerns. Taylor was gimpy last year and has a history of missing time. Morris has missed 3, 10, and 4 games the last 3 years. Faulk has missed time several times. Going forward, none of them are expected to play 16 games.The biggest common denominator of those three RBs is that they are old (for RBs). Is it less likely or more likely for an older Rb to get hurt, on average? How long are these RBs going to remain viable NFL-caliber RBs? The NFL is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. It only takes one good, injury-free season for a young RB to get back on track. Maroney is only 24 years old. He played in 14 and 13 games in 06-07, and was fantasy relevant in both years. He was a disapoointment, but still a RB3. Last year was a lost year for him.It seems clear that the Pats are going to be a RBBC this year, so none of the RBs have much fantasy value.... but Faulk is only a 3rd down back, and the other three Rbs are all unlikely to play 16 games, so one of them may have worth over a several game span. If Maroney shows a little something, he may be in line for fantasy relevance in 2010 or 2011, with an outside shot as early as this year. He has not been a scrub-level bust, he just hasn't reached expectations. He averaged 4.5 and 4.3 ypc in his first two seasons, he's shown NFL-level physical talent... he just needs to stay healthy and get in a better situation, fantasy-wise.He's being drafted as RB52... there is no downside there.

You're damning him with faint praise, and while I acknowledge you didn't write the post that I responded to, I still see nothing about my first post that's remotely humorous. Oh, and as to your question about RB's being more likely to be injured when older, I would respectfully suggest that Fred Taylor's career shows the opposite.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

You're damning him with faint praise, and while I acknowledge you didn't write the post that I responded to, I still see nothing about my first post that's remotely humorous. Oh, and as to your question about RB's being more likely to be injured when older, I would respectfully suggest that Fred Taylor's career shows the opposite.

It's humorous to tout Fred Taylor as the hallmark of RB health.And congratulations on trying to use a single data point to refute that RBs are more likely to be injured when older. I'm sure a single-RB example is statistically significant.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

You're damning him with faint praise, and while I acknowledge you didn't write the post that I responded to, I still see nothing about my first post that's remotely humorous. Oh, and as to your question about RB's being more likely to be injured when older, I would respectfully suggest that Fred Taylor's career shows the opposite.

Is it less likely or more likely for an older Rb to get hurt, on average?

Those were my words; please note the "on average". There are exceptions to every rule.Nonetheless, I'm not sure I agree with you on Fred, he missed time last year and played gimpy much of the year... and hasn't played 16 games since 2003. He overcame the injury-prone tag that was on him early in his career, but still only played a full slate twice. My main point is that Maroney may not be a bust simply because he missed most of last year. Some players overcome the injury-prone labels, some do not. It's still early in Maroney's career.

 

[finito]

In redrafts, I don't think he's worth too much, though his ADP is low enough that it's no big deal if he doesn't pan out.

In dynasty, I think he's a great buy low. Guy has shown talent and won't cost much. If he puts it together in the next couple of years, he could still have a very good career. He won't be in NE forever.

 

[finito]

(KFFL) Christopher L. Gasper, of The Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney said that the shoulder injury that limited him to three games last season was because of a broken bone. Maroney said, "I had a broken bone and I was trying to play with it. It's kind of hard to sit here and play and not tell people what is going on. Everybody is going to think one way because they don't really know what's going on." Maroney added, "Doing it the second game and still trying to play, I feel like it still shows my toughness and my dedication to the team and how much I really want to contribute. The shoulder is great. Not good, great."

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

(KFFL) Christopher L. Gasper, of The Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney said that the shoulder injury that limited him to three games last season was because of a broken bone. Maroney said, "I had a broken bone and I was trying to play with it. It's kind of hard to sit here and play and not tell people what is going on. Everybody is going to think one way because they don't really know what's going on." Maroney added, "Doing it the second game and still trying to play, I feel like it still shows my toughness and my dedication to the team and how much I really want to contribute. The shoulder is great. Not good, great."

Thx for the update

 

[T Bell]

You're damning him with faint praise, and while I acknowledge you didn't write the post that I responded to, I still see nothing about my first post that's remotely humorous. Oh, and as to your question about RB's being more likely to be injured when older, I would respectfully suggest that Fred Taylor's career shows the opposite.

It's humorous to tout Fred Taylor as the hallmark of RB health.And congratulations on trying to use a single data point to refute that RBs are more likely to be injured when older. I'm sure a single-RB example is statistically significant.

False as to the "hallmark" for the same reason as your "data point" argument fails. We're only talking about Fred Taylor because he's competing with Maroney for workload . . . and this of course is why you're shying away from arguing the substance of my points of comparison while tap dancing about "hallmarks" and "data points".

 

[Adebisi]

For what it's worth, Tom Brady is apparently pretty excited by what he's seen from Maroney this offseason.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

You mean seeing him without a cast on?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

You mean seeing him without a cast on?

It is insightful posts like this that keep me coming back to the SP.Maroney is a great buy low candidate right now. He's sharing the backfield with 3 guys who are 32+ years old, considered too fragile because he didn't play through a broken shoulder (guess you should downgrade Rashard Mendenhall too), and facing unsubstantiated rumors of "personal issues". All of these concerns are pushing him down the draft board. If you get him as your RB5, that seems like great value.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Maroney has always been a back who made his living off pure speed. When those guys have a few years of injuries and nagging 'digs' they fasll off REAL fast.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

You mean seeing him without a cast on?

It is insightful posts like this that keep me coming back to the SP.Maroney is a great buy low candidate right now. He's sharing the backfield with 3 guys who are 32+ years old, considered too fragile because he didn't play through a broken shoulder (guess you should downgrade Rashard Mendenhall too), and facing unsubstantiated rumors of "personal issues". All of these concerns are pushing him down the draft board. If you get him as your RB5, that seems like great value.

theoretically that's ok. But someone else will reach at RB4-5. but my RB5 will likely be some backup/rookie with good holdover value, as buying low doesn't alwats mean a bargain. Sometimes it (thank you javon walker) just means you have a steaming bag of ####.

 

[benm3218]

So he had a broken bone... I feel better about him...

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sports/pro...oulder-the-load

i have him in dynasty at the minimum salary... can only get better.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So he had a broken bone... I feel better about him...

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sports/pro...oulder-the-load

i have him in dynasty at the minimum salary... can only get better.

We've known about his broken bone for awhile now. He's currently 4th on the depth chart. That isn't good news for Maroney.

 

[benm3218]

So he had a broken bone... I feel better about him...

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sports/pro...oulder-the-load

i have him in dynasty at the minimum salary... can only get better.

We've known about his broken bone for awhile now. He's currently 4th on the depth chart. That isn't good news for Maroney.

Maybe it's a ploye to motivatee Tatum Bell????Coaches never play with depth charts...

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So he had a broken bone... I feel better about him...

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sports/pro...oulder-the-load

i have him in dynasty at the minimum salary... can only get better.

We've known about his broken bone for awhile now. He's currently 4th on the depth chart. That isn't good news for Maroney.

Maybe it's a ploye to motivatee Tatum Bell????Coaches never play with depth charts...

That seems like wishful thinking.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So he had a broken bone... I feel better about him...

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sports/pro...oulder-the-load

i have him in dynasty at the minimum salary... can only get better.

Let us know if you hear anything about the Pats signing Fred Taylor.

 

[tombonneau]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor). I hate to admit it, but odds are very likely that one if not two of those guys misses serious time.

Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).

Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points.

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

 

[David Yudkin]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor).Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

I would be surpised if the Pats cut Taylor as he got almost a $1.5 million signing bonus (which they would eat).

 

[Adebisi]

So he had a broken bone... I feel better about him...

http://www.milforddailynews.com/sports/pro...oulder-the-load

i have him in dynasty at the minimum salary... can only get better.

Let us know if you hear anything about the Pats signing Fred Taylor.

 

[tombonneau]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor).Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

I would be surpised if the Pats cut Taylor as he got almost a $1.5 million signing bonus (which they would eat).

I'm aware it's a $1.5m hit, but some local journalist was speculating there is a solid chance one of the big name vet signings (Galloway, Taylor, Springs) might just not have it anymore and be able to hack it and get cut.I'm not expecting it, just saying it wouldn't shock me. $1.5m hit is not insignificant, but it's also not uncuttable.

 

[David Yudkin]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor).Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

I would be surpised if the Pats cut Taylor as he got almost a $1.5 million signing bonus (which they would eat).

I'm aware it's a $1.5m hit, but some local journalist was speculating there is a solid chance one of the big name vet signings (Galloway, Taylor, Springs) might just not have it anymore and be able to hack it and get cut.I'm not expecting it, just saying it wouldn't shock me. $1.5m hit is not insignificant, but it's also not uncuttable.

Obviously if someone at any position no matter who they are were really not productive they would be in a bad situation and could be cut, and those with big cap numbers would be closer to the top of the list.Bottom line is we don't have any idea how productive/unproductive or healthy/unhealthy any of them will be as training camp just started today.A guy like Jarvis Green might be more likely as a candidate, as the team would save $2 million against the cap by releasing him. To cut Taylor would only save them $365K against the cap.There are not a lot of guys that could be released to save cap space. Kevin Faulk would be one (could save about $3 million), but I don't see that happening.Galloway was not at the early practice today (which got halted because of weather). Will have to see if he's at the afternoon practice.

 

[tombonneau]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor).Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

I would be surpised if the Pats cut Taylor as he got almost a $1.5 million signing bonus (which they would eat).

I'm aware it's a $1.5m hit, but some local journalist was speculating there is a solid chance one of the big name vet signings (Galloway, Taylor, Springs) might just not have it anymore and be able to hack it and get cut.I'm not expecting it, just saying it wouldn't shock me. $1.5m hit is not insignificant, but it's also not uncuttable.

Obviously if someone at any position no matter who they are were really not productive they would be in a bad situation and could be cut, and those with big cap numbers would be closer to the top of the list.Bottom line is we don't have any idea how productive/unproductive or healthy/unhealthy any of them will be as training camp just started today.A guy like Jarvis Green might be more likely as a candidate, as the team would save $2 million against the cap by releasing him. To cut Taylor would only save them $365K against the cap.There are not a lot of guys that could be released to save cap space. Kevin Faulk would be one (could save about $3 million), but I don't see that happening.Galloway was not at the early practice today (which got halted because of weather). Will have to see if he's at the afternoon practice.

I don't think a Taylor cut would happen for cap saving reasons. More that if he looks done, BB isn't going to keep an unproductive player just bc they would eat $1.5m. But, as you mention the earlier practice, neither Springs or Galloway (as you note) were there, so maybe one of them ends up being the surprise vet cut.And on a side note, if they cut Faulk I'll be pissed!

 

[David Yudkin]

Well, since this is a LM thread, Maroney again practiced kicked returns and did some group RB work in this the first day of training camp. Long way to go though.

 

[zdaddy]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

Fred Taylor has averaged 12.7 games played and 220 carries over 11 seasons, which includes one season with only 2 games played before a season-ending injury. There are a LOT of RB's who would envy being made of such "glass" . . . including Laurence Maroney who has averaged but 10 games per season in his career and whose career best season attempts total is 185. Maroney doesn't belong in the same sentence as Taylor when it comes to durability.

Maybe he does/will. Taylor got a bad rap early because of missing time, and has never really lived it down. Maroney has the same rap as Taylor did, his future may change also. Taylor actually turned into a pretty durable back during the middle part of his career. The biggest difference between a young Taylor and a young Maroney is situation.

 

[Adebisi]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor).

Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).

Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points.

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

I would be surpised if the Pats cut Taylor as he got almost a $1.5 million signing bonus (which they would eat).

I'm aware it's a $1.5m hit, but some local journalist was speculating there is a solid chance one of the big name vet signings (Galloway, Taylor, Springs) might just not have it anymore and be able to hack it and get cut.I'm not expecting it, just saying it wouldn't shock me. $1.5m hit is not insignificant, but it's also not uncuttable.

Obviously if someone at any position no matter who they are were really not productive they would be in a bad situation and could be cut, and those with big cap numbers would be closer to the top of the list.Bottom line is we don't have any idea how productive/unproductive or healthy/unhealthy any of them will be as training camp just started today.

A guy like Jarvis Green might be more likely as a candidate, as the team would save $2 million against the cap by releasing him. To cut Taylor would only save them $365K against the cap.

There are not a lot of guys that could be released to save cap space. Kevin Faulk would be one (could save about $3 million), but I don't see that happening.

Galloway was not at the early practice today (which got halted because of weather). Will have to see if he's at the afternoon practice.

I don't think a Taylor cut would happen for cap saving reasons. More that if he looks done, BB isn't going to keep an unproductive player just bc they would eat $1.5m. But, as you mention the earlier practice, neither Springs or Galloway (as you note) were there, so maybe one of them ends up being the surprise vet cut.And on a side note, if they cut Faulk I'll be pissed!

Why are you assuming that there will be a "surprise vet cut?"

 

[massraider]

Why are you assuming that there will be a "surprise vet cut?"

Pretty sure he answered that in his previous post.

 

[Gopher State]

As a Pats homer (with an admitted soft spot for LM) I think he's a great value pick. Just saw a stat that of the 5 (or 4?) RBs over 32 in the NFL, the Pats have 3 of them (Faulk, Morris, Taylor). I hate to admit it, but odds are very likely that one if not two of those guys misses serious time.Granted, Maroney hasn't been a pillar of health in his brief NFL career, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw a physically gifted RB who couldn't stay healthy his first few years bust onto the scene and play a ton of 16-game seasons (just look at LM's new teammate for an example).Anyway, it'll be RBBC for sure in NE, but I think of Maroney, Morris & Taylor, Maroney easily has the most fantasy points. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor is a "surprise" camp cut (depending on how good BJGE looks).

If you include points for returning kicks Maroney could be the leading FF point RB for NE. In reality I think Maroney gets cut, if he doesn't show something in training camp. I watched Maroney Play at U of MN, I always thought he looked "soft"

 

[Adebisi]

Why are you assuming that there will be a "surprise vet cut?"

Pretty sure he answered that in his previous post.

I suppose he did, but then he worded it as if it were a foregone conclusion.Whatever, probably just arguing over semantics here.

 

[Adebisi]

If you include points for returning kicks Maroney could be the leading FF point RB for NE. In reality I think Maroney gets cut, if he doesn't show something in training camp. I watched Maroney Play at U of MN, I always thought he looked "soft"

I'd be pretty surprised if they cut Maroney essentially just to retain Green-Ellis, since there would really be very little cap benefit.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If you include points for returning kicks Maroney could be the leading FF point RB for NE. In reality I think Maroney gets cut, if he doesn't show something in training camp. I watched Maroney Play at U of MN, I always thought he looked "soft"

I believe it would actually cost them more cap to cut him than to keep him, so I don't see what the point would be just because he broke a shoulder a year ago.

 

[mcintyre1]

A good note out of camp from patspulpit.com:

Laurence Maroney - Maroney not only looks strong, but fast. He made a few "Wes Welker" cuts that had linebackers scratching their helmets. I'm really happy for him and hope this is a sign of good things to come

 

[David Yudkin]

A good note out of camp from patspulpit.com:Laurence Maroney - Maroney not only looks strong, but fast. He made a few "Wes Welker" cuts that had linebackers scratching their helmets. I'm really happy for him and hope this is a sign of good things to come

From Reiss:

Some burst from Laurence Maroney. While working 11-on-11 in the red zone, one play stood out – a handoff to Laurence Maroney that he took into the middle, before making a quick cut to the outside for an easy touchdown. It looked like linebacker Gary Guyton got sucked into the middle, leaving the edge open for Maroney. From this view, it was a decisive run by Maroney, one in which he showed no hesitation. If Maroney consistently runs like that, the Patriots are going to be tough to defend.

 

[benm3218]

YES - more of this please...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

A good note out of camp from patspulpit.com:Laurence Maroney - Maroney not only looks strong, but fast. He made a few "Wes Welker" cuts that had linebackers scratching their helmets. I'm really happy for him and hope this is a sign of good things to come

From Reiss:

Some burst from Laurence Maroney. While working 11-on-11 in the red zone, one play stood out – a handoff to Laurence Maroney that he took into the middle, before making a quick cut to the outside for an easy touchdown. It looked like linebacker Gary Guyton got sucked into the middle, leaving the edge open for Maroney. From this view, it was a decisive run by Maroney, one in which he showed no hesitation. If Maroney consistently runs like that, the Patriots are going to be tough to defend.

Guess the Pats rush defense isn't going to be so tough after all

 

[renesauz]

A good note out of camp from patspulpit.com:Laurence Maroney - Maroney not only looks strong, but fast. He made a few "Wes Welker" cuts that had linebackers scratching their helmets. I'm really happy for him and hope this is a sign of good things to come

From Reiss:

Some burst from Laurence Maroney. While working 11-on-11 in the red zone, one play stood out – a handoff to Laurence Maroney that he took into the middle, before making a quick cut to the outside for an easy touchdown. It looked like linebacker Gary Guyton got sucked into the middle, leaving the edge open for Maroney. From this view, it was a decisive run by Maroney, one in which he showed no hesitation. If Maroney consistently runs like that, the Patriots are going to be tough to defend.

Guess the Pats rush defense isn't going to be so tough after all

Guess the Pats second string defense can't hang with the first string offense?

 

[stickboy]

A good note out of camp from patspulpit.com:Laurence Maroney - Maroney not only looks strong, but fast. He made a few "Wes Welker" cuts that had linebackers scratching their helmets. I'm really happy for him and hope this is a sign of good things to come

From Reiss:

Some burst from Laurence Maroney. While working 11-on-11 in the red zone, one play stood out – a handoff to Laurence Maroney that he took into the middle, before making a quick cut to the outside for an easy touchdown. It looked like linebacker Gary Guyton got sucked into the middle, leaving the edge open for Maroney. From this view, it was a decisive run by Maroney, one in which he showed no hesitation. If Maroney consistently runs like that, the Patriots are going to be tough to defend.

I was at training camp Sat a.m. Taylor and Maroney were alternating with the first team. Maroney had the one good run, but otherwise looked like any other RB. The one who impressed me was Taylor -- he was through the line in a flash and making quick moves to avoid hits much better than the other RB's.And for those who want to know -- Brady looked as mobile as he ever was, but his timing with the WR was as poor as the other QBs.

 

[Native]

Well, this is his chance. If he ever wants to be a full time starter in the NFL, he has to grab the bull by the horns and make it happen.

 

[MCguidance]

Well, this is his chance. If he ever wants to be a full time starter in the NFL, he has to grab the bull by the horns and make it happen.

Thats assuming Maroney is given the load, which likely wont happen. Morris, Faulk, et al. will likely all see time as per BB's usual recipe for success.

 

[The Gray Hood]

yeah, I noticed.I also noticed that taylor and morris are made of just the same glass that maroney is.

 

[jafo]

I've been burned by Maroney too many times. At this point I'd need to see him be productive for a whole season before I'd trust him in my lineup again.