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I just added him via trade after LJ got hurt but I did it just to be sure I had another startable runner, not bc I think he is going to explode. I know this is trite but I think Belecheat and the Pats all really want to see Brady break Manning's record. That said, Maroney has 0 rushing TDs and Morris had a few (3?), so if Maroney gets a few sporadic TDs he may be a top 20 RB for the rest of the season, but I doubt any better than that. Maybe top 15 if he breaks a few long runs.
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
I'm probably the last holdout but I'm still optimistic. I thought he looked darn good during last week's first half.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think he will do better as the season progesses, but don't expect a lot of TD or receptions. He'll probably get 80-90 total yards per game going forward and should be a so-so RB2 option, but I wouldn't hold out hope that he will turn into Addai or ADP anytime soon.
Max Power
Footballguy
im moving him to a POed Gore Owner right now. The Indy game should be a wake up call to everyone. Faulk is the third down or passing down back. Maroney will get his 15 carries a game, but in a PPR league he is boarderline unplayable.
I also agree that Brady is shooting for the passing TD mark.
I also agree that Brady is shooting for the passing TD mark.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I'm shooting for Maroney next yr... you should be able to buy low this off-season.
DarabZarrabi
Footballguy
he gets the ball dances a little behind the line and then picks up some yards...but they play him and faulk 50/50...dont throw to Maroney, and dont run him in the redzone...personally I think he has as much value as Julius Jones
Fantasy Fix Fred
Footballguy
he's a stud but a bust on New England. if that makes any sense...
twitch
Footballguy
New England's had something like 18 or 19 different players score a TD this year. But none of those guys is the #1 RB. How bizarre is that??? Im feelin' for ya, Maroney owners. Team's breaking a scoring record this year, and its almost as if theyre playing keep away with Maroney around the goalline. He's gotta be just hating it right now. Even though his team is undefeated.
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Jack Burton
Footballguy
Talk about aggravation. The Pats are up 42-7 with the ball on the two yard line and they pass the ball. They even go with an empty backfield. I wanted to put my foot right through the tv. Would it have killed them to give Moroney the ball until he scores his first td of the year.
twitch
Footballguy
Here's the wild thing to me. Maroney is about as well-liked as a guy can be. Seriously, has there been a better team player this year than Laurence Maroney? He is yet to score a TD! Most players would be beside themselves stirring things up. Not this kid. Youve gotta know his teammates are just DYING to see him score. And though he hasnt scored yet, I think when it finally happens, it'll open up the floodgates. Just a feeling.
Kool-Aid
Kool-Aid
Dman30
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm sure Brady is dying.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
In a non-ppr league I think he is top 10 possibly top 5 down the stretch:
1. Morris is on IR
2. Finally Healthy
3. Best offense ever
You put that with all the stuff that made him a popular choice this preseason and I think he's a great dark horse to carry some teams down the stretch. You could give Ron Dayne 15 carries a game on this offense and he'd probably be top 10. The lack of touchdowns to this point is bothersome, but there were reasons for that. Most of which, are now aleviated (sp?). Morris was the vulture and Maroney got hurt. Last game Maroney was in on short yardage plays and I can remember him picking up at least one crucial 3rd and short. Yes the Patriots are pass happy, but there was enough to go around to make Morris a viable fantasy option when he was splitting carries with GL touches.
That said, who is Maroney's handcuff now? In non-ppr I'm leaning towards Heath Evans, as I don't think the Patriots will give Faulk double digit carries.
1. Morris is on IR
2. Finally Healthy
3. Best offense ever
You put that with all the stuff that made him a popular choice this preseason and I think he's a great dark horse to carry some teams down the stretch. You could give Ron Dayne 15 carries a game on this offense and he'd probably be top 10. The lack of touchdowns to this point is bothersome, but there were reasons for that. Most of which, are now aleviated (sp?). Morris was the vulture and Maroney got hurt. Last game Maroney was in on short yardage plays and I can remember him picking up at least one crucial 3rd and short. Yes the Patriots are pass happy, but there was enough to go around to make Morris a viable fantasy option when he was splitting carries with GL touches.
That said, who is Maroney's handcuff now? In non-ppr I'm leaning towards Heath Evans, as I don't think the Patriots will give Faulk double digit carries.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
What did Maroney do with 15 carries against the Colts? Nothing impressive, that is for sure.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
You really want to play that card? Ok then. Not too many guys have done much vs Indy this year. Also, the entire Patriots offense faired far far worse than normal that game. Why? Because Indy's defense is really good.
eom
Footballguy
I think there's a big chance he produces down the stretch, and I'm saying this as a former sammy owner who had no interest in drafting maroney.
he's been injured and sammy's been there to sap his stats --- then when he gets his first chance to put up some #'s, they play the colts in a tight game and have to throw a lot in the second half.
second half of the season there will be no sammy, nobody will force them to play catch up, he's back healthy off a bye week, and while he might not get 25 carries, I could definitely see them step him up from 14 to 20.
he'll be averaging a fat ypc, and the td's should be there to be had.
he's been injured and sammy's been there to sap his stats --- then when he gets his first chance to put up some #'s, they play the colts in a tight game and have to throw a lot in the second half.
second half of the season there will be no sammy, nobody will force them to play catch up, he's back healthy off a bye week, and while he might not get 25 carries, I could definitely see them step him up from 14 to 20.
he'll be averaging a fat ypc, and the td's should be there to be had.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
for tom brady or for maroney?the rushing defense ranks of his remaining schedule:eom said:
week 11: bills #20
12: eagles #12
13: ravens #2
14: steelers #1
15: jets #32
16: dolphins #30
the three division matchups are nice, but the other three matchups don't look too tempting. i wouldn't start him unless no other options were available from weeks 12-14. and since that's the playoff hunt homestretch ... i'm not too hopeful as a maroney owner in one league
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Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
for every rushing TD, the patriots have more than 4 passing TDs.and a quarter of the rushing TDs have been by Tom Brady.
it is true, however, that the patriots aren't too lopsided in terms of passing attempts versus rushing plays (305 vs 287). but, the passing plays are so much more efficient than the rushing plays (8.9 vs 4.1) that you're not going to see too many rushing opportunities for anyone on the pats.
eom
Footballguy
and that's exactly what I'm talking about --- I'm not telling you maroney's getting 3 td's every game the rest of the way.and those stats you just quoted are w/maroney basically out all year, and the team playing in good weather.if maroney gets enough touches to pick up 100 yds, and manages to fish one td out of the pile, then I say that's producing.would you have a problem w/that production?
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
I tend to agree. I really think Belichick and the Pats football intelligence is way ahead of most teams. Their approach to the whole season is also given thought as well as intense game to game preparation. What I mean is its not just a pass happy offense becouse Brady has great and good receivers (he does) but also it establishes the pass as a dominant feature in the first half of the season. What team can face the Pats and load the box now? It would be football suicide. When the weather turns and the games get tighter they will have opened things up for the run.( And Brady will still throw in any weather.) Heck, against the Colts the draw play to Faulk was very effective including a nice touchdown. The quick slant or toss to the wr also serve as basically "runs". I think they will feature more screens. I also think they will have a very fresh (healed and healthy) Maroney for the run that counts. I can't forget how Maroney ran on some of his better plays last year. The player that he reminded me of was Barber, maybe not as physical, but with some of that intensity and bounce. He probably needs more patience which Sammy Morris showed well. The o-line will aslo want to run it successfully and they are good, IMO. They could've put grass in that stadium but they've kept the newer style of artificial turf, so no muddy feilds to slow down the speedsters. I can't wait to see how this year plays out, Maroney included
David Yudkin
Footballguy
As I mentioned in one of the 48 Maroney threads, I think Maroney will be scrutinized by the Pats' brass the rest of the way, and if he faulters or has more issues staying on the field, I would not be surprised to see the team start looking at other RB options for the 2008 season. So LM will be motivated to keep his job or else he may not be in the team's long-term plans.
I know for a fact that internally the team was not happy with the way Maroney fizzled out last year, and I doubt that they would be gushing with praise about his performance this year either. He'll get another mulligan for the first part of this year due to injuries, but if he's not careful he will get the DeShaun Foster label.
I know for a fact that internally the team was not happy with the way Maroney fizzled out last year, and I doubt that they would be gushing with praise about his performance this year either. He'll get another mulligan for the first part of this year due to injuries, but if he's not careful he will get the DeShaun Foster label.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
That is not good news to a Maroney owner. I think Maroney has played better than decent this year, he averages 4.7 ypc. His TD total is a concern but he really hasnt been given mch of a chance to suceed there. Im not getting why his future with the Pats is so gloomy, but it does appear that way doesnt it.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Ouch. This does not sound good at all. I thought previously, David, you were expecting him to come on strong. I guess both can be true.
Max Power
Footballguy
Are you serious here? I am almost at a loss for words. Hopefully I understand this correctly. Maroney is somehow in danger of losing his job? Mainly due to a poor playoff performance as a Rookie?!? I slightly understand the injury concerns, but he has only missed 5 games over two seasons. And IIRC it was stated that if "it was a playoff game, he would be in there" for 1 or 2 this season.I am just in total shock reading this. The guy has averaged over 5 yards a carry in 4 of his 6 games this season. Plus he put up great numbers in a time share with Dillion last season.I have to a big
to the Pats for not being happy with the Production of Maroney in his limited chances.Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
I am one of them that traded for him 3 weeks ago at low end cost and hope he breaks out soon.
As a rule of thumb I try and stay away from NE players because they have always been unpredictable from week to week other then Brady! Though Moss and Welker have destroyed that theory.
Just wish Maroney would too because I am eating poor RB 2 PRODUCTION with him and the first time I sit him I know darn well he will break out so I am not sitting him on my bench yet though tempted to soon if things don't change!
What I think is NE is protecting his work load for bad weather games comeing up and playoffs when they know they will need his production.
As a rule of thumb I try and stay away from NE players because they have always been unpredictable from week to week other then Brady! Though Moss and Welker have destroyed that theory.
Just wish Maroney would too because I am eating poor RB 2 PRODUCTION with him and the first time I sit him I know darn well he will break out so I am not sitting him on my bench yet though tempted to soon if things don't change!
What I think is NE is protecting his work load for bad weather games comeing up and playoffs when they know they will need his production.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think you are misreading what I wrote and/or we are not on the same page.The Pats were disappointed that Maroney was effectively shelved or not very productive from roughly the halfway point of the season last year. This really isn't covering any new ground (4 regular season games with single digit carries, 2 missed games, much lower ypc, mostly ineffective in the playoffs).This year Maroney has also clearly sruggled with old and new injuries and also has not evolved into a workhorse back. From what I can tell, Sammy Morris was brought in as a decent role player and someone who could see some work each year in a supporting role. With Maroney not really able to go, Morris got a much bigger workload than most would have anticipated.Again from what I can tell, here were are in Week 11 of the season and Maroney really hasn't been healthy for any game this year. Having missed so much time, he's had to continue learning on the fly and did not have much work in training camp or as the season progressed (which be extension has slowed his development).I have been suggesting that the plan this year has been to get Maroney more integrated into the offense as the year progresses (in fact I have been told that directly from people who are paid to know things like that). That's all well and good and I still think that that will happen.HOWEVER . . .If Maroney gets nicked up again or stumbles and is not really all that effective, given the way the Pats operate, it may not be a stretch that they start thinking about a Plan B at running back (or at the least another option if they can't rely on Maroney).So the "disappointment factor" would hinge on Maroney struggling to stay on the field the rest of the way or basically not being productive.If nothing else, I am curious as to whether NE thinks he will evolve into a heavy duty back or if they now envision him as someone they will constantly need to rotate in because he may not be able to handle the workload.I suspect the Pats management is sort of like Maroney fantasy owners. He's been a bit of a disappointment but they at this stage have hopes and aspirations of good things to come. The question is at what point due people actually start wondering if he will be who they thought he would be.I hope that this is a clearer picture . . .Are you serious here? I am almost at a loss for words. Hopefully I understand this correctly. Maroney is somehow in danger of losing his job? Mainly due to a poor playoff performance as a Rookie?!? I slightly understand the injury concerns, but he has only missed 5 games over two seasons. And IIRC it was stated that if "it was a playoff game, he would be in there" for 1 or 2 this season.I am just in total shock reading this. The guy has averaged over 5 yards a carry in 4 of his 6 games this season. Plus he put up great numbers in a time share with Dillion last season.I have to a bigto the Pats for not being happy with the Production of Maroney in his limited chances.
Max Power
Footballguy
Thanks for the clarification. I can see a little more where the pats are coming from, but I still have a hard time grasping the fact that his job is in jepordy. If can't handle the full load, I understand the line of thinking to aquire a new back. I do think the sample size we are going off of is still too small. I think Maroney is a great talent. And being a Bears fan, hearing a team be unhappy with his type of production is just mind-boggling.David Yudkin said:I think you are misreading what I wrote and/or we are not on the same page.The Pats were disappointed that Maroney was effectively shelved or not very productive from roughly the halfway point of the season last year. This really isn't covering any new ground (4 regular season games with single digit carries, 2 missed games, much lower ypc, mostly ineffective in the playoffs).This year Maroney has also clearly sruggled with old and new injuries and also has not evolved into a workhorse back. From what I can tell, Sammy Morris was brought in as a decent role player and someone who could see some work each year in a supporting role. With Maroney not really able to go, Morris got a much bigger workload than most would have anticipated.Again from what I can tell, here were are in Week 11 of the season and Maroney really hasn't been healthy for any game this year. Having missed so much time, he's had to continue learning on the fly and did not have much work in training camp or as the season progressed (which be extension has slowed his development).I have been suggesting that the plan this year has been to get Maroney more integrated into the offense as the year progresses (in fact I have been told that directly from people who are paid to know things like that). That's all well and good and I still think that that will happen.HOWEVER . . .If Maroney gets nicked up again or stumbles and is not really all that effective, given the way the Pats operate, it may not be a stretch that they start thinking about a Plan B at running back (or at the least another option if they can't rely on Maroney).So the "disappointment factor" would hinge on Maroney struggling to stay on the field the rest of the way or basically not being productive.If nothing else, I am curious as to whether NE thinks he will evolve into a heavy duty back or if they now envision him as someone they will constantly need to rotate in because he may not be able to handle the workload.I suspect the Pats management is sort of like Maroney fantasy owners. He's been a bit of a disappointment but they at this stage have hopes and aspirations of good things to come. The question is at what point due people actually start wondering if he will be who they thought he would be.I hope that this is a clearer picture . . .Max Power said:Are you serious here? I am almost at a loss for words. Hopefully I understand this correctly. Maroney is somehow in danger of losing his job? Mainly due to a poor playoff performance as a Rookie?!? I slightly understand the injury concerns, but he has only missed 5 games over two seasons. And IIRC it was stated that if "it was a playoff game, he would be in there" for 1 or 2 this season.I am just in total shock reading this. The guy has averaged over 5 yards a carry in 4 of his 6 games this season. Plus he put up great numbers in a time share with Dillion last season.I have to a bigto the Pats for not being happy with the Production of Maroney in his limited chances.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I guess the main question the Pats have stems from Maroney's durability. I do know that they would be overjoyed if he stopped dancing in the backfield and would prefer that he lowered his shoulder (his good one I guess) and tried to move the pile. NE would rather he drove forward and took a 2-3 yard game rather than trying to wait for a hole to develop and eat a 4 yard loss.My question, given where Maroney is at this stage, is how much difference is there between Maroney and say someone like Julius Jones. I know most people will say Maroney is more talented, but their numbers (and roles) are really not all that far apart.Thanks for the clarification. I can see a little more where the pats are coming from, but I still have a hard time grasping the fact that his job is in jepordy. If can't handle the full load, I understand the line of thinking to aquire a new back. I do think the sample size we are going off of is still too small. I think Maroney is a great talent. And being a Bears fan, hearing a team be unhappy with his type of production is just mind-boggling.David Yudkin said:I think you are misreading what I wrote and/or we are not on the same page.The Pats were disappointed that Maroney was effectively shelved or not very productive from roughly the halfway point of the season last year. This really isn't covering any new ground (4 regular season games with single digit carries, 2 missed games, much lower ypc, mostly ineffective in the playoffs).This year Maroney has also clearly sruggled with old and new injuries and also has not evolved into a workhorse back. From what I can tell, Sammy Morris was brought in as a decent role player and someone who could see some work each year in a supporting role. With Maroney not really able to go, Morris got a much bigger workload than most would have anticipated.Again from what I can tell, here were are in Week 11 of the season and Maroney really hasn't been healthy for any game this year. Having missed so much time, he's had to continue learning on the fly and did not have much work in training camp or as the season progressed (which be extension has slowed his development).I have been suggesting that the plan this year has been to get Maroney more integrated into the offense as the year progresses (in fact I have been told that directly from people who are paid to know things like that). That's all well and good and I still think that that will happen.HOWEVER . . .If Maroney gets nicked up again or stumbles and is not really all that effective, given the way the Pats operate, it may not be a stretch that they start thinking about a Plan B at running back (or at the least another option if they can't rely on Maroney).So the "disappointment factor" would hinge on Maroney struggling to stay on the field the rest of the way or basically not being productive.If nothing else, I am curious as to whether NE thinks he will evolve into a heavy duty back or if they now envision him as someone they will constantly need to rotate in because he may not be able to handle the workload.I suspect the Pats management is sort of like Maroney fantasy owners. He's been a bit of a disappointment but they at this stage have hopes and aspirations of good things to come. The question is at what point due people actually start wondering if he will be who they thought he would be.I hope that this is a clearer picture . . .Max Power said:Are you serious here? I am almost at a loss for words. Hopefully I understand this correctly. Maroney is somehow in danger of losing his job? Mainly due to a poor playoff performance as a Rookie?!? I slightly understand the injury concerns, but he has only missed 5 games over two seasons. And IIRC it was stated that if "it was a playoff game, he would be in there" for 1 or 2 this season.I am just in total shock reading this. The guy has averaged over 5 yards a carry in 4 of his 6 games this season. Plus he put up great numbers in a time share with Dillion last season.I have to a bigto the Pats for not being happy with the Production of Maroney in his limited chances.
Max Power
Footballguy
I like Maroney for a lot of reasons. Mostly due to the fact that he is the #1 back on the Best Offensive Unit the NFL has seen in ages. It is realistic to see the Pats averaging 5 TDs a Game from here on out. Roughly another 40 TDs on the season. It is hard to find another team that would come close to that. I think it would be safe to say a minimal of 20% of the remaining TDs will be on the ground. I am hopefully Maroney gets the bulk of those.
Sure Dallas has a shot to put up similar numbers, but with both MBIII & Jones I'm not expecting Jones to score too much.
In a PPR league, a comparing Jones to Maroney seems more realistic. However if giving the option, I would clearly pick Maroney.
Now on a side note....after thinking about what David said, any chance these next 8 games Maroney gets extra work to see if selecting a top back in the draft is warranted as the Pats will have a top 5 pick?
Sure Dallas has a shot to put up similar numbers, but with both MBIII & Jones I'm not expecting Jones to score too much.
In a PPR league, a comparing Jones to Maroney seems more realistic. However if giving the option, I would clearly pick Maroney.
Now on a side note....after thinking about what David said, any chance these next 8 games Maroney gets extra work to see if selecting a top back in the draft is warranted as the Pats will have a top 5 pick?
Phlash
Footballguy
Patriots sure are wishing they had Joseph Addai right now. Funny how in retrospect everyone said Maroney would be the stud and Addai would be the bust. Addai is EVERYTHING a RB should be - great receiver, great blocker, great runner, durable. Maroney is a great runner, but he is mediocre in all other departments...
Jack Burton
Footballguy
In all fairness though the Colts have made a commitment to Addai as the feature back whereas Maroney is pulled every other down for Faulk or Morris or whoever. There is still time for LM to gain the trust of BB and the coaching staff to feed him the ball, but how much time is anyones guess.
I honestly don't see Maroney "going off" rest of the year. NE game plan completely changes in the red zone to a play action team. And they always bring in Faulk for play action. The WRs sprint towards the endzone to stretch opposing defense, Brady dumps off to Faulk, and he tries to run it in.
With Brady having such a magical year. BB would rather let his MVP QB make the plays instead of a 2nd year RB.
With Brady having such a magical year. BB would rather let his MVP QB make the plays instead of a 2nd year RB.
Max Power
Footballguy
And you think teams will still respect the run? my $$$ is on the D shadowing the TE, even a double on Moss.Things will open up
But NE Red Zone offense is a "pass first" offense. When Brady can't find his receivers it gets dumped off to Faulk.
madd futher
Footballguy
My question is this: In a dynasty league, is Maroney someone to have more patience with, or someone to cut bait on?
In Dynasty league I would have patience. I don't think NE will have the same WR threat next year. They will have to build some kind of offense around the RB position. Remember Moss is a FA after 2007.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
eom
Footballguy
that may be so, but only if they don't sign moss.if they don't sign moss, I think they'd sign stallworth, although they might redo his contract.of course, I don't see why they wouldn't resign moss, and when they do stallworth is irrelevant.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
BigTuna
Footballguy
I'd sit on him in a dynasty league. He shows signs of being a good runner. NE can't pass for ever. They'll eventually go for a more balanced attack.
