Martz should be fired this week (1 Viewer)

[daveR]

I'm so sick of the " cutler has loads of talent" garbage. No he doesn't he sucks. He had two nice seasons under mike shanahn. Guess who else had a couple nice years under shanahan. Yep jake plummer.

Trade ya Delhomme...

 

[onehung]

Tell Denver you were mistaken and you want Orton back?

 

[gigantor]

Let's get Cutler another OC he surely hasn't had enough in his career

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tell Denver you were mistaken and you want Orton back?

I don't think it would matter with that line and Martz calling 584 pass plays a game. He'd get Peyton freaking Manning killed in that offense. Obviously, neither Cutler nor Orton are a Peyton Manning, but I think you all catch my drift.

 

[Sweatpants]

It's not so bad. We only led the league in turnovers, 30th in total yards and rushing yards, and have allowed 10 more sacks than any team in the league.

 

[duaneok66]

the OL is horrible - they knew what they were getting with Martz - you can't run his system without at least a decent OL - give him a better OL and you will get better results . . .

Martz is taking a lot of grief and people in here are passing off his success as purely talent based - Holt was a rookie and Warner was a nobody before 1999 - would you ever have heard of Warner if not for Martz??? faulk was great in Indy but he didnt reach HOF status until his great years in STL . . .

with that being said, Nartz should play a conventional style of offense until next year - his WRs are average (at best) . . . in the offseason they should retool the OL and sign a legit #1 WR . . .

 

[tkrull]

the OL is horrible - they knew what they were getting with Martz - you can't run his system without at least a decent OL - give him a better OL and you will get better results . . . Martz is taking a lot of grief and people in here are passing off his success as purely talent based - Holt was a rookie and Warner was a nobody before 1999 - would you ever have heard of Warner if not for Martz??? faulk was great in Indy but he didnt reach HOF status until his great years in STL . . .with that being said, Nartz should play a conventional style of offense until next year - his WRs are average (at best) . . . in the offseason they should retool the OL and sign a legit #1 WR . . .

I'm thinking that a young Orlando Pace may have been a pretty big piece of the Greatest Show On Turf.

 

[duaneok66]

the OL is horrible - they knew what they were getting with Martz - you can't run his system without at least a decent OL - give him a better OL and you will get better results . . . Martz is taking a lot of grief and people in here are passing off his success as purely talent based - Holt was a rookie and Warner was a nobody before 1999 - would you ever have heard of Warner if not for Martz??? faulk was great in Indy but he didnt reach HOF status until his great years in STL . . .with that being said, Martz should play a conventional style of offense until next year - his WRs are average (at best) . . . in the offseason they should retool the OL and sign a legit #1 WR . . .

I'm thinking that a young Orlando Pace may have been a pretty big piece of the Greatest Show On Turf.

of course (fail on my part) . . .

 

[cobalt_27]

the OL is horrible - they knew what they were getting with Martz - you can't run his system without at least a decent OL - give him a better OL and you will get better results . . . Martz is taking a lot of grief and people in here are passing off his success as purely talent based - Holt was a rookie and Warner was a nobody before 1999 - would you ever have heard of Warner if not for Martz??? faulk was great in Indy but he didnt reach HOF status until his great years in STL . . .with that being said, Nartz should play a conventional style of offense until next year - his WRs are average (at best) . . . in the offseason they should retool the OL and sign a legit #1 WR . . .

I agree with the first part, but not the second part. The CHI WRs are the least of their problems. The O-Line is the biggest issue, and Cutler's decision-making is a close #2.

 

[Badm]

@^$#&*@$^#*@&$^#@*$^*@#&$^#@^$

ARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

LOVIE and MARTZ.......LISTEN UP!!!!

RUN THE BALL!!!

Get someone who knows how to watch a video of NFL football to advise you on challenges

Quit squandering a team with an awesome D and awesome Special Teams

The O-LINE is rotten. Stop calling plays that require 5 or 7 step drops.

Stop calling slants to Knox. He couldn't wrestle a lollipop from a newborn

Realize Knox is a slot WR and Hester is not a WR

Get a ####### FullBack, a real FullBack. And quit sitting Dez who is your only FullBack on the roster...

and to CUTLER

Quit being a good soldier and either call an audible or tell MARTZ to you know what. Be a leader, not a follower....

thanks for the rant...

 

[Your Mom]

the OL is horrible - they knew what they were getting with Martz - you can't run his system without at least a decent OL - give him a better OL and you will get better results . . . Martz is taking a lot of grief and people in here are passing off his success as purely talent based - Holt was a rookie and Warner was a nobody before 1999 - would you ever have heard of Warner if not for Martz??? faulk was great in Indy but he didnt reach HOF status until his great years in STL . . .with that being said, Nartz should play a conventional style of offense until next year - his WRs are average (at best) . . . in the offseason they should retool the OL and sign a legit #1 WR . . .

I agree with the first part, but not the second part. The CHI WRs are the least of their problems. The O-Line is the biggest issue, and Cutler's decision-making is a close #2.

The Wrs are a HUGE issue. They are crap. Earl Bennett is a good possesion guy. Hester hasn't developed at all. Johnny knox stops routes multiple times every game. DA just isn't that good. O-LINE is the biggest worry, but the WRs are 2nd. That group is bad. Also, I agree with the OP. I was against Martz from the beginning. Worst choice ever for this team.

 

[Sweatpants]

the OL is horrible - they knew what they were getting with Martz - you can't run his system without at least a decent OL - give him a better OL and you will get better results . . .



Martz is taking a lot of grief and people in here are passing off his success as purely talent based - Holt was a rookie and Warner was a nobody before 1999 - would you ever have heard of Warner if not for Martz??? faulk was great in Indy but he didnt reach HOF status until his great years in STL . . .

with that being said, Nartz should play a conventional style of offense until next year - his WRs are average (at best) . . . in the offseason they should retool the OL and sign a legit #1 WR . . .

Ya think?

 

[Donnybrook]

LOL. I had Cutler on my "do not draft list". I figured he would not make it through the season. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...11&hl=martz

 

[Sweatpants]

There is absolutely no reason to believe anything will change for the rest of the season.

Martz has shown he refuses to adapt or change the offense at all, regardless of what has happened. The Oline is pathetic. The qb won't quite throwing INT's. The WR's won't fight for the football and cut off routes routinely. The RB's won't fight for the tough yards when there isn't much there(see the multiple times we haven't gotten in on 1st and 1 on the goalline). The TE's are all but worthless. Olsen has caught 1 ball in 3 games. Have any of the other TE's even caught one pass all season ? I haven't heard one mentioned all year, except when they have miss blocks, which is often. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single positive thing on offense. There's no way this can be fixed during the second half of the season. There's too much wrong and the offensive coordinator is too damn ignorant to even try. This team is doomed.

 

[JamesTheScot]

What has Martz done since St. Louis with all that talent? Which brings me to the problem with Cutler's Bears the last two seasons, he has no one to throw the ball to. Devin Hester is not an outside receiver. Cutler is getting blitzed like crazy because no receiver can win one on one. It is going to continue all year. Olsen might as well stay in and block, cause they ain't throwing to him. The defense will keep games close but please Martz, run the ball. They could win if they went run-run-run punt more than Cutler running for his life and throwing to these guys. Play like Parcells Giants not Vermiels Rams.

You're putting the cart before the horse there. Cutler's getting blitzed because:1) The Martz system protects like a sieve and

2) Cutler makes bad decisions with the ball when under pressure.

I don't care who your receivers are. If you've got an opponent who doesn't protect their QB and that QB is prone to turnovers when pressured, why would you not try and pressure him?

You don't think teams with good WR's get blitzed?

 

[Ghost Rider]

To that end, I heard Jaws say the other day (before this past weekend's games) that 8 - count 'em, 8 - of the sacks the Bears have given up this year were when the pass rusher made it to the QB without even being touched. That is just terrible for that to happen that many times. Jaws did point out that many came as a result of Culter holding on to the ball too long, too (often times, by not getting to the ball to his hot read), so there is plenty of blame to go around, but when you have a line that is so bad in pass protection that it is letting up that many sacks where the pass rusher is not even touched, you might want to think about adjusting how you call games. But not Martz. He will keep calling pass, pass, pass, and the Bears offense will continue to struggle mightily as a result.

 

[mbuehner]

To that end, I heard Jaws say the other day (before this past weekend's games) that 8 - count 'em, 8 - of the sacks the Bears have given up this year were when the pass rusher made it to the QB without even being touched. That is just terrible for that to happen that many times. Jaws did point out that many came as a result of Culter holding on to the ball too long, too (often times, by not getting to the ball to his hot read), so there is plenty of blame to go around, but when you have a line that is so bad in pass protection that it is letting up that many sacks where the pass rusher is not even touched, you might want to think about adjusting how you call games. But not Martz. He will keep calling pass, pass, pass, and the Bears offense will continue to struggle mightily as a result.

Also factor in when his hot read doesn't recognize that he's hot and isn't running the right pattern or looking for the ball, which also happens with this bunch. Cutler has ample reason not to trust his receivers, they are often running the wrong routes, not finishing cuts (at least 2 of the ints this week you can hang on Knox for giving up on his route an letting the DB step inside him, a serious no-no), and just not going to fight for the ball. That doesn't excuse Cutler, but it is certainly mitigating. Lets put it this way- the wrong plays are being called behind the wrong line throwing to the wrong playmakers, giving them the ball in the wrong ways, and utilizing a very mobile but flustered quarterback in entirely the wrong ways.The strengths of this offense are an QB with a big arm and great feet that can throw on the move, RBs that are great around the edge and catching passes out of the backfield, and receivers that are very good if they can get the ball in space and make plays after they catch it. Martz takes advantage of literally none of those things, and the few times he does he uses them as set ups to get back to what he really wants to do and promptly forgets what works. Its criminal. Its literally hard to think of an atmosphere less conducive to the outdated scheme he wants to run.I look at Martz like this- he's sitting down at a chess board while the defensive coordinator across from him is picking up the board and smashing it over his head. You don't NEED to scheme to beat the Bears offense, you can just beat them physically because their weaknesses in this offense are so glaring. Martz always thinks he's on the verge of outsmarting the other team, but the other team isn't bothering trying to out-think him! Why bother? You know whats coming, and you know you can get to their QB before he can execute it. So sit back on those long patterns and let your d-line and a blitzer or two blow the play up. You can run a vanilla defense every series and the Bears will make themselves look bad. And Martz WILL NOT CHANGE. There is no possibility of that.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Well-said, mbuehner. There are just many things going wrong with the Bears offense to expect any kind of drastic turnaround. Really, the decision to bring in Martz was a terrible one. They need to fix that offensive line, first and foremost. And Cutler needs a QB coach, one who will preach to him playing smart and being safe with the ball. Cutler obviously has that aggressive "I will just fling it all over the yard" attitude and when you combine that with a play-caller like Martz, who is always throwing caution to the wind, it spells disaster.

 

[mbuehner]

The sad thing is this team could make some positive strides this year in a very blah NFC, not win a SB, but defiantly make a little noise and improve as a team. Offensively all they need to do is get the ball to Forte and Taylor and Hester in space until the other team stops them. Then start looking behind the defense. This is football 101.

And on another note, i've head a lot of bluster that Cutler isn't being sacked more than other guys have been. Not true. He's been sacked 27 times in 5 and a half games.

At this rate he can expect to be sacked 71 times this season. Had he not missed time do to being knocked silly because of so many sacks, he'd be on pace for 79 sacks, the league record is David Carr with 76, still very much in reach either way. He's also been hit a league leading 53 times.

At this rate the guy you traded 2 first round picks for and pay a ton of money is going to be sacked 50 more times this year and hit more than 68 more times. And that's not considering you're gonna play tougher teams. All told Cutler can expect to be walloped 118 more times this year. For a guy with a concussion history, that doesn't seem like a great idea for the future of this team.

 

[3nOut]

Well-said, mbuehner. There are just many things going wrong with the Bears offense to expect any kind of drastic turnaround. Really, the decision to bring in Martz was a terrible one. They need to fix that offensive line, first and foremost. And Cutler needs a QB coach, one who will preach to him playing smart and being safe with the ball. Cutler obviously has that aggressive "I will just fling it all over the yard" attitude and when you combine that with a play-caller like Martz, who is always throwing caution to the wind, it spells disaster.

Is there a petition giong around? Whwere do I sign?I think the first step in fixing the O-line would be to change the play calling. Although not by much, I think the Bears run block better than they pass block. At least they are trying to move forward. The Bears need to run more to be more effective.

Its probably true that its too late in the season to replace Martz as the OC, but can someone else at least do the playcalling?

 

[RBM]

Dream scenario, lure Gruden out of that MNF booth and have Cutler move in with him. He is very familiar with Marinelli from the Tampa days.

No brainer

 

[mbuehner]

I think the obvious answer would be to fire Martz and promote Tice to OC. I'm not a big Tice fan but he knows what that O-line is capable of accomplishing and would act accordingly.

 

[Sam Quentin]

hello mcfly

Cutler's interception rate is way down this year

Forte is not a legitmate RB

Cutler has been sacked 19 times in 6 games which is about 3 per game, including the 9 sack debacle agaianst the G-men, whose D is looking awesome right now.

The sky is not falling and the system is not waht is killing this offense right now.

 

[Clifford]

There is absolutely no reason to believe anything will change for the rest of the season.

Martz has shown he refuses to adapt or change the offense at all, regardless of what has happened. The Oline is pathetic. The qb won't quite throwing INT's. The WR's won't fight for the football and cut off routes routinely. The RB's won't fight for the tough yards when there isn't much there(see the multiple times we haven't gotten in on 1st and 1 on the goalline). The TE's are all but worthless. Olsen has caught 1 ball in 3 games. Have any of the other TE's even caught one pass all season ? I haven't heard one mentioned all year, except when they have miss blocks, which is often. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single positive thing on offense. There's no way this can be fixed during the second half of the season. There's too much wrong and the offensive coordinator is too damn ignorant to even try. This team is doomed.

BS. It's an easy fix:1. Fire Martz

2. Promote RB coach to OC or go without one

3. Hold open tryouts for o-line (yes I'm serious, I would like to see if there is anyone out there who can do better)

4. After open tryouts fail (see I'm realistic) go ahead and design your offense around either 3TE or a 2TE+Fullback formation with one WR. DA is the one WR.

5. Run an offense that focuses on short passes to Aromashadu (only real WR on team) and the RB and the TEs. Quick screen passes with the occasional deep ball just to keep defenses from putting 11 in the box. That and running the ball, with both RBs and Cutler.

6. Hester returns all punts and kicks, vastly improving both our receiving and special teams

7. Rely on the defense and special teams to keep scores low and give this offense a chance.

7 steps that could be done in a week or two. 7 steps that would at least give us a fair chance to win and keep our QB alive.

 

[Sam Quentin]

There is absolutely no reason to believe anything will change for the rest of the season.

Martz has shown he refuses to adapt or change the offense at all, regardless of what has happened. The Oline is pathetic. The qb won't quite throwing INT's. The WR's won't fight for the football and cut off routes routinely. The RB's won't fight for the tough yards when there isn't much there(see the multiple times we haven't gotten in on 1st and 1 on the goalline). The TE's are all but worthless. Olsen has caught 1 ball in 3 games. Have any of the other TE's even caught one pass all season ? I haven't heard one mentioned all year, except when they have miss blocks, which is often. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single positive thing on offense. There's no way this can be fixed during the second half of the season. There's too much wrong and the offensive coordinator is too damn ignorant to even try. This team is doomed.

BS. It's an easy fix:1. Fire Martz

2. Promote RB coach to OC or go without one

3. Hold open tryouts for o-line (yes I'm serious, I would like to see if there is anyone out there who can do better)

4. After open tryouts fail (see I'm realistic) go ahead and design your offense around either 3TE or a 2TE+Fullback formation with one WR. DA is the one WR.

5. Run an offense that focuses on short passes to Aromashadu (only real WR on team) and the RB and the TEs. Quick screen passes with the occasional deep ball just to keep defenses from putting 11 in the box. That and running the ball, with both RBs and Cutler.

6. Hester returns all punts and kicks, vastly improving both our receiving and special teams

7. Rely on the defense and special teams to keep scores low and give this offense a chance.

7 steps that could be done in a week or two. 7 steps that would at least give us a fair chance to win and keep our QB alive.

Running a high school offense will not win in this league

 

[Clifford]

hello mcfly

Cutler's interception rate is way down this year

Forte is not a legitmate RB

Cutler has been sacked 19 times in 6 games which is about 3 per game, including the 9 sack debacle agaianst the G-men, whose D is looking awesome right now.

The sky is not falling and the system is not waht is killing this offense right now.

I'm sorry, I know you're pulling stats and all to back this up but there is no way you can watch the games and make this statement. The Martz system requires QBs to hold the ball longer and involves deeper drops that our line simply can't handle.Also, you must not be paying attention to what is actually happening in the running game during games, because before Cutler threw his 4th INT that lost the game for us, we had run for three first downs in a row. Forte averaged 4.1 in that game and CT had a 6.7 ypc average.

The system is the problem, it is exacerbating the weaknesses of every player on the offense. We need a system that fits the players we have.

To your high school offense comment, that happens to be the exact offense that took us to the playoffs in 2005.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/chi/sche...amp;season=2005

But I'm not saying it can win games. There's no way this offense wins games for us either way. But we can stop it from losing games for us AND ruining our franchise QB we sold the farm for.

 

[mbuehner]

hello mcflyCutler's interception rate is way down this yearForte is not a legitmate RBCutler has been sacked 19 times in 6 games which is about 3 per game,

27 times in 5.5 games, which is 4.9 times per game. Not sure why so many people have this wrong. Like I said, this is nearly on pace for the all times sacked in a season and would be exceeding it if Cutler didn't miss a game and a half.

 

[RBM]

There is absolutely no reason to believe anything will change for the rest of the season.

Martz has shown he refuses to adapt or change the offense at all, regardless of what has happened. The Oline is pathetic. The qb won't quite throwing INT's. The WR's won't fight for the football and cut off routes routinely. The RB's won't fight for the tough yards when there isn't much there(see the multiple times we haven't gotten in on 1st and 1 on the goalline). The TE's are all but worthless. Olsen has caught 1 ball in 3 games. Have any of the other TE's even caught one pass all season ? I haven't heard one mentioned all year, except when they have miss blocks, which is often. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single positive thing on offense. There's no way this can be fixed during the second half of the season. There's too much wrong and the offensive coordinator is too damn ignorant to even try. This team is doomed.

BS. It's an easy fix:1. Fire Martz

2. Promote RB coach to OC or go without one

3. Hold open tryouts for o-line (yes I'm serious, I would like to see if there is anyone out there who can do better)

4. After open tryouts fail (see I'm realistic) go ahead and design your offense around either 3TE or a 2TE+Fullback formation with one WR. DA is the one WR.

5. Run an offense that focuses on short passes to Aromashadu (only real WR on team) and the RB and the TEs. Quick screen passes with the occasional deep ball just to keep defenses from putting 11 in the box. That and running the ball, with both RBs and Cutler.

6. Hester returns all punts and kicks, vastly improving both our receiving and special teams

7. Rely on the defense and special teams to keep scores low and give this offense a chance.

7 steps that could be done in a week or two. 7 steps that would at least give us a fair chance to win and keep our QB alive.

Hey John Shoop....how have you been?

 

[biggamer3]

Whats funny is that every Giants receiver on the roster is probably better then any Bears WR. Ramses Barden would be a #1 in Chicago

 

[Sweatpants]

 

[flapgreen]

Stick a fork in Martz and Lovie. They're both done.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Stick a fork in Martz and Lovie. They're both done.

What happens when they win the division?

 

[flapgreen]

Stick a fork in Martz and Lovie. They're both done.

What happens when they win the division?

I'll have grandchildren?

 

[yrforyg]

Looking back on all of it now, I feel that Kurt Warner may be the biggest reason why Mike Martz is regarded as some kind of offensive genius. Kurt Warner trusted the system, and executed it to perfection… and Martz seems to get all the credit for that success.I think it takes a cerebral, and very disciplined QB to play “within” Martz’s system…

Warner? Cerebral?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Stick a fork in Martz and Lovie. They're both done.

update?

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Stick a fork in Martz and Lovie. They're both done.

update?

Coaching staff of the year IMO.

 

[Your Mom]

I was wrong. They got there chit together.

Can we still fire Angelo and take away any personel decisions Lovie has? Keep Lovie on the football field and everything is great.

 

[BigA]

I was wrong. They got there chit together. Can we still fire Angelo and take away any personel decisions Lovie has? Keep Lovie on the football field and everything is great.

I like this idea...martz has really adapted to what he has.

 

[RBM]

I would love to know if Martz adapted on his own or if someone (Lovie or JA) made him.

 

[switz]

Was impressed with the game Martz called today, Cutler was impressive, and they exploited Phillys blitzes a number of times.

 

[Badm]

8-3

HELL YEAH!!!!

 

[gdg76]

If Lovie hadn't blown the challenge calls in the Skins game, Bears would probably be 9-2. I still don't think the Bears are all the way there yet, but they are hitting their stride at the right time. With the Pats and Jets still on the schedule, it's probably a wild card if they don't beat the Packers...

I bet the Bears-Pats game gets moved to SNF.