Marvin Harrison - Has the torch officially passed? (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

Did he aggravate his knee injury last night? How is it that a "bruise" is taking so long to heal? What's up with our boy Starvin Marvin?

His stats this season have been downright depressing for owners.

Does he have any value left this year? WR2 at best? So sad to see the rock go down like that but I guess injury and age catch up to them all.

 

[ckalltheway]

I thought he looked fine but Wayne got about twice as many looks.

 

[KellysHeroes]

its going to happen sooner rather than later

 

[LionsFan78]

He'll be just fine. He likely won't finish as high as last year, but there's plenty left. He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

 

[Ariakis]

All the reports said his snaps were limited to make sure he gets healthy. I would think had the game not been fairly secure so early on we may have seen more of Harrison.

 

[parrot]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

 

[bcr8f]

Too early but Wayne does look good.

 

[EdwardCat]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

He was pedestrian by Harrison's standards. He wasn't even scoring 10 points a game in my league which is unheard of for him.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I am trying to sell low on harrison (yes i know, i said sell low). his name value keeps him in the top 15 every week on any cheatsheets but he is putting up amani toomer type numbers. i do think there will be a few monster weeks mixed in still this year, but who knows when that will be. he has 1 TD on the year. they play @ Car on a short week this week before hosting you know who. so i expect another very quiet week this week as they should handle them easily.

i think he still has 3 productive years left in him. they just have a ton of options there now, dallas clark has been a monster, D is playing outstanding, and he finally got dinged.

i have loved marvin from a FF and NFL standpoint for as long as i can remember.. even when i didnt own him. but its not going to happen this year.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Maybe when Wayne starts to draw coverage from the the other team's best CB. He had a steady diet of Brian Williams last night, while Marvin was almost always matched up with Mathis.

 

[supermark_28]

I'm actually considering trading him away to land Braylon Edwards.

 

[parrot]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

He was pedestrian by Harrison's standards. He wasn't even scoring 10 points a game in my league which is unheard of for him.

In my league's scoring system his 3 full games before injury he scored 14.3, 8.7, and 5.3. Coming from my second round pick - and a guy who has averaged at least 12 points a game for the last seven years - I would describe that production as good to decent, marginal to crappy, and flat out crappy respectively.

 

[EdwardCat]

I'm actually considering trading him away to land Braylon Edwards.

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Edwards is on fire this year.

 

[maxwell1295]

I'm actually considering trading him away to land Braylon Edwards.

Considering? Heck, if it was me you could consider it done! Injuries aside, Marvin has lost a step. Peyton will more often than not, hit the open receiver. Lately, that seems to be Wayne more than it has been Harrison. I see no reason to think that will change anytime soon. The gap between the two will only get wider....

 

[Pipes]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

He was pedestrian by Harrison's standards. He wasn't even scoring 10 points a game in my league which is unheard of for him.

In my league's scoring system his 3 full games before injury he scored 14.3, 8.7, and 5.3. Coming from my second round pick - and a guy who has averaged at least 12 points a game for the last seven years - I would describe that production as good to decent, marginal to crappy, and flat out crappy respectively.

Wow 3 games...probably time to put him out to pasture.

 

[Joe Bryant]

That's actually a great question, lawfitz.

I think the answer is a begrudging yes. And I think you can draw similarities to the Bruce / Holt situation. Just not nearly as far along of course.

Harrison was feeling ok last night before the game. He dunked a ball over the goal post in warmups according to the ESPN sideline reporter. This is not something you do with a hobbled knee.

Wayne is a bigger and more physical guy. He is a different kind of receiver than Harrison. So both have their definite roles. And Indy is one of the ultimate "take what the defense gives you" type of teams. But I think you're seeing Manning turn his focus a bit more towards Wayne.

J

 

[parrot]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

He was pedestrian by Harrison's standards. He wasn't even scoring 10 points a game in my league which is unheard of for him.

In my league's scoring system his 3 full games before injury he scored 14.3, 8.7, and 5.3. Coming from my second round pick - and a guy who has averaged at least 12 points a game for the last seven years - I would describe that production as good to decent, marginal to crappy, and flat out crappy respectively.

Wow 3 games...probably time to put him out to pasture.

Reading comprehension. The post I was responding to said he had been "very productive" before the injury. Unless he's going to back to last year or something I think that's a pretty flimsy assertion and I took issue with it.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Bruce-to-Holt occurred in Holt's 2nd year. Wayne has been in the league 7 years.

 

[LionsFan78]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

He was pedestrian by Harrison's standards. He wasn't even scoring 10 points a game in my league which is unheard of for him.

In my league's scoring system his 3 full games before injury he scored 14.3, 8.7, and 5.3. Coming from my second round pick - and a guy who has averaged at least 12 points a game for the last seven years - I would describe that production as good to decent, marginal to crappy, and flat out crappy respectively.

Wow 3 games...probably time to put him out to pasture.

Reading comprehension. The post I was responding to said he had been "very productive" before the injury. Unless he's going to back to last year or something I think that's a pretty flimsy assertion and I took issue with it.

You're right Parrot, I re-read my post. "Very productive" certainly wasn't the best way to say it. My point is that it's ridiculous to write him off right now. Forget the fact that he was great in game 1. Forget the fact that he was JUST as productive as Wayne weeks 2-3. So he gets injured, is out a few weeks, comes back last night and sees very limited action. Nothing shocking about that whole situation.Like I said, he'll be fine. But hey, freak out if you guys want.

 

[Fireman Ed]

Too early but Wayne does look good.

How is it too early? We are halfway through the fantasy regular season.And yes, Wayne is now the better option.

 

[monkeysee]

I thought he looked fine but Wayne got about twice as many looks.

Yes but you know Manning. He has a new favorite target each week.Wasn't one of the better corners in the league (his name slips my mind) covering 88 all night?I know 87 becomes the WR1 in time, but I still think 88 has some gas left in the tank.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think last season was the last season of greatness for Marvin. I thought this in preseason and had Wayne as the highest rated WR heading into draft season. Nothing has swayed me from this opinion (on Harrison anyway).

 

[thehornet]

obviously, marvin isnt done, but if you think he's still Peyton's number 1 then your are in serious denial.

 

[parrot]

He was very productive before the injury, just be patient.

He was? I guess I missed that. He has scored one touchdown and not had over 90 yards in a game.

He was pedestrian by Harrison's standards. He wasn't even scoring 10 points a game in my league which is unheard of for him.

In my league's scoring system his 3 full games before injury he scored 14.3, 8.7, and 5.3. Coming from my second round pick - and a guy who has averaged at least 12 points a game for the last seven years - I would describe that production as good to decent, marginal to crappy, and flat out crappy respectively.

Wow 3 games...probably time to put him out to pasture.

Reading comprehension. The post I was responding to said he had been "very productive" before the injury. Unless he's going to back to last year or something I think that's a pretty flimsy assertion and I took issue with it.

You're right Parrot, I re-read my post. "Very productive" certainly wasn't the best way to say it. My point is that it's ridiculous to write him off right now. Forget the fact that he was great in game 1. Forget the fact that he was JUST as productive as Wayne weeks 2-3. So he gets injured, is out a few weeks, comes back last night and sees very limited action. Nothing shocking about that whole situation.Like I said, he'll be fine. But hey, freak out if you guys want.

He was "great" in game one? He had eighty something and a touchdown against a horrible pass defense. 14 points in my scoring system, Wayne had 23. Marvin has averaged about 13.5 a game for the last seven years, so I'm having a tough time swallowing a 14 point game as "great". You're correct that he may certainly bounce back, but there is no way to describe his output thus far as anything but hugely disappointing, especially given his ADP.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He's coming off injury, it's always dangerous to start a WR coming off an injury right off the bat.

He'll have some solid games down the stretch when you need him.

 

[Sabertooth]

He's coming off injury, it's always dangerous to start a WR coming off an injury right off the bat.He'll have some solid games down the stretch when you need him.

I do think the torch has been passed however. Marvin is more of a WR2 type guy now for both the Colts and FF owners.

 

[KingEl]

A couple seasons ago, Harrison had the same slow start, talk was the torched had been passed etc. I traded Fred Taylor who had just come off of two huge games for Harrison. The game that week after the trade, Taylor went down with a knee injury for 4 weeks and Harrison went off and didn't look back. Was a top 5 Wr the rest of the way and carried me to a championship. Of course the other owners in the leauge all went crazy after the 1st few weeks, saying the trade was unfair, etc. but at the time I and the other owner really thought Harrison was on his way to 2nd Wr status. Point being- he can turn it on and still have a huge season.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He's coming off injury, it's always dangerous to start a WR coming off an injury right off the bat.He'll have some solid games down the stretch when you need him.

I do think the torch has been passed however. Marvin is more of a WR2 type guy now for both the Colts and FF owners.

I can't argue with you......when he was healthy, here's what he did the 1st 3 weeks.Week 1: 4 receptions, 83 yards 1 TDWeek 2: 6 receptions, 87 yards zero Td'sWeek 3: 6 receptions, 53 yards and zero td'sThen week 4 while in everyone's lineup, got hurt early and ended up with 1 catch for 8 yards and then of course last night, 3 catches 16 yards.Those numbers from Week's 1 thru 3 if averaged out thru the entire season would have been about 1100 receiving yards and 6 Td's.Those numbers are below just everone's projections for Marvin Harrison. Now you throw in the injury and missed games, odds are he's not going to hit 1000 yards this season, which would be the first time since 1998.

 

[3nOut]

Yes, the torch is being passed... to Dallas clark

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

can someone go to Harrisons player page and tell me where he finished (rank) in total FF points the last however many years. Tried like to go back and find this from a brilliant preseason post in one of the threads and I just cant find it.

basically it was like 5,3,1,9,5,1,1,2,1.. ish..

something insane like that. Prolly wont get back there this year, but still.. Insane.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Harrison still isn't 100% but provided an excellent decoy for the Colts last night.

 

[Todem]

Marvin has plenty left in the tank and will finsih out the season strong. He and Wayne are both insane players. I would not be suprised to see Marvin put up a couple of 2-3 TD games very soon. He is still one of the very best in the business and still draws the #1 CB of every team.

 

[yinzer]

Marvin is still the Colts #1 WR

As far as they FF stat torch being passed, its definitely in the hands of wayne

...and instead of comparing this torch to Bruce->Holt, I think Rice->Owens is a little more similar

 

[Football Jones]

Harrison had 95/1366/12 last year compared to Wayne's 86/1310/9. The torch just might be in the process of being passed, but I have a hard time believing Harrison's ability will drop off this fast. It's usually a slower process. Has he suddenly lost it? I doubt it. The next 3 or 4 games will likely give us a big clue.

 

[pwtrash]

I thought he looked fine but Wayne got about twice as many looks.

As a Harrison owner, my concern was that it didn't look to me like Manning even looked at Marvin in most of his progressions. I can't be sure of this, because I can't see the whole field, but it sure looked to me like Manning's focus rarely got to the right side. I know Marvin's is running some crosses, but the only routes that looked like he was the primary were the short comebacks (and possibly the post that got picked). I'm hoping I'm just paranoid.

 

[T-BONE]

Quick question that I think will help us to messure the shark pool perception of Harrison fantasy value.

Who would you rather have in your fantasy team for the reminder of the season:

Harrison... or Steve Smith with all the QB problems ?

 

[EdwardCat]

Quick question that I think will help us to messure the shark pool perception of Harrison fantasy value.Who would you rather have in your fantasy team for the reminder of the season:Harrison... or Steve Smith with all the QB problems ?

Steve Smith, hands down. He's the only option on that team and had a great game in his last outing.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

Who draws the D's #1 corner? I would guess it would still be Marvin, but I'm not sure.

 

[Rogi]

Just landed Harrison in a trade. Although Wayne is getting more looks, I have a hard time believing Harrison will be getting 16 yards a game for the rest of the season.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Theres a reason Wayne has been Drafted before Harrison in most drafts for the past 2 years... the day is fast approaching (if not here) when Wayne is Indy's #1.. I have him in both my traditional dynasties.

And next yr; Wayne will be the 1st or 2nd WR Drafted in many drafts... next too Randy Moss.

 

[CalBear]

Better analogy: TO taking over for Rice. This started in 1998; Rice started that season at age 35, which is Harrison's age this year. Rice was still productive, but Owens outscored him by 35 points, fueled by 14 TDs to Rice's 9.

Time waits for no man.

 

[Wingnut]

I had no choice but to trade Marvin away for Kevin Jones.

Desperation move, but hey, Im desperate.