Matt Forte PPR (1 Viewer)

[shnikies]

I'm not a homer. Every time Forte carried the ball last year I vomited a little in my mouth. He was obviously injured and the offensive line was not bad, it was awful. The Draft List has his ADP in PPR's at 51! He goes from a consensus top 3 pick and probably drafted first in some PPR drafts last year to 51? When the Bears signed Taylor I was about 93.5% sure he'd end up getting more touches than Forte but everyday I'm leaning more in favor of Forte being an actual featured back with Taylor coming in to get 8-10 touches a game. Am I crazy to think Forte is a must pick in the 4th or 5th in 12-team PPR's?

 

[AtomicDogg97]

I think he represents good value in the late 4th and early 5th. I do think he will be the featured back and will rack up the catches. I am just worried about the Bears o-line.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Forte looks great in the training camp. Cutler said on the radio show that Forte seems to be in 5th gear now. He is fully healthy now. He will win the league for you if you can get him in the 4th or 5th rounds.

 

[gbill2004]

I got Forte in the 4th round of my 12 team league and love the value!

 

[travdogg]

I think the Bears in general are being sold a little short. Quality at all the skill positions(love Knox this year) and a very underrated defense with Peppers and a (hopefully) healthy Urlacher.

This could very well be a sneaky playoff team.

 

[themeanmachine]

Got him in the 6th round (34th RB off the board) in my 12-team PPR league. Couldn't believe how far he fell.

 

[Traders2001]

Got him for the 7th and 19th pick , rookie draft in a dynasty league .

That was a steal .

I later got Ahmad Bradshaw for the 11th and 12 th pick same rookie draft , another steal .

After the 6 th pick rookies this year there was absolutely zero ..

 

[Jason Wood]

I've come around on Forte after being VERY down on him a few months ago. I think I overestimated the impact Chester Taylor would make. I still think Taylor could be awesome in that system, but now I'm beginning to think he'll need an injury to Forte to see much work. I don't really think this has RBBC written all over it unless Forte really and truly is broken down out of the gates.

 

[kremenull]

Got him for the 7th and 19th pick , rookie draft in a dynasty league .That was a steal .I later got Ahmad Bradshaw for the 11th and 12 th pick same rookie draft , another steal .After the 6 th pick rookies this year there was absolutely zero ..

Don't know if I'd consider Bradshaw for Gresham + Mike Williams exactly a steal. I'd actually prefer the two rook picks here, if I knew I could at least get Williams.

 

[Silver & Black]

I agree, Forte has looked very solid. But my only question is the money Taylor got and the timing of his signing. I don't remember how much he is getting, but I do recall his salary for this year is starter money. Plus, Chicago went out and got him the second free agents could sign.

What does his salary and speed of his timing mean to the splitting of carries in Chicago. That is the vital question, in my mind. I don't have the answer and it is frustrating.

 

[loose circuits]

If you go WR/WR in the 2nd half of the 1st round, he's a guy you can grab in the 4th that has definite RB1 upside because he's done it before and Tice should have that line in better shape. I think it's beneficial that his catches should go up with the carries going down

For that scenario, I'd rather have Forte than Best, Brown, Stewart, Wells, Moreno, etc...

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I just don't see it.

Mike Martz is death for a RB. They will throw the ball a ton and you cannot ignore the Chester Taylor signing.

I see this Chicago team running the ball an avg of 15-20times per game. Guranteed Chester will get 8-10 of those carries and Forte should get the rest - don't forget maybe the 3rd string scrub gets a token carry here and there.

It will come down to who is the better blocker and receiver and IMHO that is Chester. I see forte finishing the season with 150-200 carries - he will be on the filed probably 1/3 of the time on passing downs - maybe he gets 30-40 receptions in this offence.

Not terrible but I don't see him as a RB1 - maybe an avg to weak RB2.

 

[Concept Coop]

I got him with the last pick in the 4th round, in a non-PPR, start two RB, two flex, RB hungry league (Wells went in 1st!) and couldn't be happier. He seems to have his burst back. I am trying not to get my hopes too high. But I can see 1,200 and 10(total) and that would be huge compared to last season.

 

[Concept Coop]

I just don't see it.Mike Martz is death for a RB. They will throw the ball a ton and you cannot ignore the Chester Taylor signing.I see this Chicago team running the ball an avg of 15-20times per game. Guranteed Chester will get 8-10 of those carries and Forte should get the rest - don't forget maybe the 3rd string scrub gets a token carry here and there.It will come down to who is the better blocker and receiver and IMHO that is Chester. I see forte finishing the season with 150-200 carries - he will be on the filed probably 1/3 of the time on passing downs - maybe he gets 30-40 receptions in this offence.Not terrible but I don't see him as a RB1 - maybe an avg to weak RB2.

I can understand your concern. But Mike Martz is not going to come in and change the Chicago Bears as a franchise. The Bears are still going to get by on Defense and running the ball. I don't see a scenerio in which the Bears EVER only run the ball 15 times this season. That is a really low number and Lovie will not let that happen. Especially when the Bears still don't have a legit #1 target, and Cutler is turnover prone. The Bears need their defense to keep them in games. They can only do that if the offense stays on the field. I see 260-290 carries for Forte.

 

[Instinctive]

I just don't see it.

Mike Martz is death for a RB.

 

[The Moz]

I just don't see it.

Mike Martz is death for a RB.

Martz killed Marshall Faulks career ............

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I just don't see it.

Mike Martz is death for a RB.

Martz killed Marshall Faulks career ............

Faulk was built for Martz's system. IMHO Forte is not as good of a fit for this offence as Chester - I don't envisioin the Bears running a ton and I see CT on the field for most of the passing downs.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I just don't see it.Mike Martz is death for a RB. They will throw the ball a ton and you cannot ignore the Chester Taylor signing.I see this Chicago team running the ball an avg of 15-20times per game. Guranteed Chester will get 8-10 of those carries and Forte should get the rest - don't forget maybe the 3rd string scrub gets a token carry here and there.It will come down to who is the better blocker and receiver and IMHO that is Chester. I see forte finishing the season with 150-200 carries - he will be on the filed probably 1/3 of the time on passing downs - maybe he gets 30-40 receptions in this offence.Not terrible but I don't see him as a RB1 - maybe an avg to weak RB2.

I can understand your concern. But Mike Martz is not going to come in and change the Chicago Bears as a franchise. The Bears are still going to get by on Defense and running the ball. I don't see a scenerio in which the Bears EVER only run the ball 15 times this season. That is a really low number and Lovie will not let that happen. Especially when the Bears still don't have a legit #1 target, and Cutler is turnover prone. The Bears need their defense to keep them in games. They can only do that if the offense stays on the field. I see 260-290 carries for Forte.

That's not Martz's style. He will air it out 35-40 times a game.

 

[dagwood]

Forte is high risk / high reward this year. It really could go either way.

C.Taylor is probably high risk / high reward too. You just get him several rounds after Forte.

 

[Shutout]

I just don't see it.Mike Martz is death for a RB. They will throw the ball a ton and you cannot ignore the Chester Taylor signing.I see this Chicago team running the ball an avg of 15-20times per game. Guranteed Chester will get 8-10 of those carries and Forte should get the rest - don't forget maybe the 3rd string scrub gets a token carry here and there.It will come down to who is the better blocker and receiver and IMHO that is Chester. I see forte finishing the season with 150-200 carries - he will be on the filed probably 1/3 of the time on passing downs - maybe he gets 30-40 receptions in this offence.Not terrible but I don't see him as a RB1 - maybe an avg to weak RB2.

I woudl stop short of saying he is death to a rb (Faulk and Gore both were/are great) but I agree with the overall thoughts. Forte was so valuable because he was over utilized. He was the only thing going on for that team and all those extra opportunities really drove his value up. That has changed now and I think Forte would have to really step up his production to be what some think he might. I like him as a solid every-week playable RB2 but don't think he leads my FF teams to championships.

 

[Concept Coop]

I just don't see it.Mike Martz is death for a RB. They will throw the ball a ton and you cannot ignore the Chester Taylor signing.I see this Chicago team running the ball an avg of 15-20times per game. Guranteed Chester will get 8-10 of those carries and Forte should get the rest - don't forget maybe the 3rd string scrub gets a token carry here and there.It will come down to who is the better blocker and receiver and IMHO that is Chester. I see forte finishing the season with 150-200 carries - he will be on the filed probably 1/3 of the time on passing downs - maybe he gets 30-40 receptions in this offence.Not terrible but I don't see him as a RB1 - maybe an avg to weak RB2.

I can understand your concern. But Mike Martz is not going to come in and change the Chicago Bears as a franchise. The Bears are still going to get by on Defense and running the ball. I don't see a scenerio in which the Bears EVER only run the ball 15 times this season. That is a really low number and Lovie will not let that happen. Especially when the Bears still don't have a legit #1 target, and Cutler is turnover prone. The Bears need their defense to keep them in games. They can only do that if the offense stays on the field. I see 260-290 carries for Forte.

That's not Martz's style. He will air it out 35-40 times a game.

Does Martz override Lovie and the orginazation as a whole? Even if Martz would like to throw the ball 35-40 times a game, I think he likes to win and have a job more. The Bears won't win and Martz will lose his job if they rely on Cutler throwing the ball 40 times a game. The team is not built to do that.

 

[billymays]

I just don't see it.

Mike Martz is death for a RB.

Martz killed Marshall Faulks career ............

Faulk was built for Martz's system. IMHO Forte is not as good of a fit for this offence as Chester - I don't envisioin the Bears running a ton and I see CT on the field for most of the passing downs.

martz gets production out of his backs. i actually prefer his backs in ppr formats. if his team is losing 35-10 you can guarantee the rb is gonna catch a ton of check downs. the only question is who its gonna be. in 2006 kevin jones had over 1200 total yards and 61 receptions in 12 games and i think fortes style is similar. what the first post should say isMike Martz is death for a TE

 

[TheFanatic]

I just don't see it.

Mike Martz is death for a RB.

Martz killed Marshall Faulks career ............

Faulk was built for Martz's system. IMHO Forte is not as good of a fit for this offence as Chester - I don't envisioin the Bears running a ton and I see CT on the field for most of the passing downs.

martz gets production out of his backs. i actually prefer his backs in ppr formats. if his team is losing 35-10 you can guarantee the rb is gonna catch a ton of check downs. the only question is who its gonna be. in 2006 kevin jones had over 1200 total yards and 61 receptions in 12 games and i think fortes style is similar. what the first post should say isMike Martz is death for a TE

Listen to BillyMays. He knows things. Spot on analysis.

 

[Giants4Life]

As bad as he was, he was the 12th best RB in PPR format last year (Assuming 6 pts per TD and 1 PPR)

 

[big0mar]

I'm always hesitant to rely on receptions for a RB when they have a suspect OL. Using the RB as a blocker mostly is a very possible outcome for this team.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

In PPR, I'd go as far to say that Forte may have more value than any of the Bears WRs this year depending where you draft them.

(Still rather have Best, but y'know.)

 

[Instinctive]

I'm always hesitant to rely on receptions for a RB when they have a suspect OL. Using the RB as a blocker mostly is a very possible outcome for this team.

I think it makes more sense to depend on that RB getting receptions...the QB will have less time to throw and may be forced to check down much more often.

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

Where are you guys targetting Forte? 4th/5th or reaching in the mid-late 3rd?

 

[billymays]

I'm always hesitant to rely on receptions for a RB when they have a suspect OL. Using the RB as a blocker mostly is a very possible outcome for this team.

thats just it though. martz sacrifices the TE for this so he doesnt have to with RB.

 

[BoulderBob]

He was injured in the pre-season last year, and never fully recovered, it happens...steal of the draft for 2010...gonna win more than few of us some cash...or at the very least a ton of regular season games...the 89 yard TD run showed me all I needed to see...he's healthy again, with damn solid #2 to take some of the load off of Forte's back.

Take him in the 4th and laugh...you've just clinched a playoff spot with a stud #2 RB to go along with your (hopefully, lol) stud #1...

 

[ditka311]

There are going to be a lot of 2 yd runs with that OL and that was apparent all of last year and for the 2 preaseason games they have played this year. Once in awhile Forte will get a hole to run through though. Last year he was tackled pretty quickly as he just didn't have that burst/extra gear. While I know it was only one play, what I find optimistic is that when he did have a hole he didn't get caught from behind. Last year he was tackled by the time he hit the 20 yd line.

 

[shnikies]

Kevin Jones had 61 receptions in 12 games in 2006 under Martz? I didn't realize that. That's crazy.

 

[BoulderBob]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

 

[switz]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...oes-all-the-way Forte's run was a byproduct of horrible preseason defense. Ten guys were within 3 yards of the LOS, and there was still a huge whole for him to run through. Forte only needed to make one guy, #24 who terribly over pursued miss. He still almost got caught from behind. A 5th string RB could have made that run.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...oes-all-the-way Forte's run was a byproduct of horrible preseason defense. Ten guys were within 3 yards of the LOS, and there was still a huge whole for him to run through. Forte only needed to make one guy, #24 who terribly over pursued miss. He still almost got caught from behind. A 5th string RB could have made that run.

haters gonna hate

 

[shnikies]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...oes-all-the-way Forte's run was a byproduct of horrible preseason defense. Ten guys were within 3 yards of the LOS, and there was still a huge whole for him to run through. Forte only needed to make one guy, #24 who terribly over pursued miss. He still almost got caught from behind. A 5th string RB could have made that run.

Take the defense out of the picture and pretend they weren't there and look at his burst and top speed. Coming from someone who watched every carry last year I can say he's a completely different back when healthy. If you timed him in the 40 on his best day last season it would have been around a 4.7 and now he's back to the 4.5's. And you talk about the one guy he made miss on the play. That's one more guy he made miss than all of last year.

 

[switz]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...oes-all-the-way Forte's run was a byproduct of horrible preseason defense. Ten guys were within 3 yards of the LOS, and there was still a huge whole for him to run through. Forte only needed to make one guy, #24 who terribly over pursued miss. He still almost got caught from behind. A 5th string RB could have made that run.

haters gonna hate

Nope. He may end up a very good FF RB this year in PPR... but that doesn't mean he's a good NFL RB, nor that his 89 yard run was impressive. But I sure hope people overdraft him due to that run. Guppies love big plays, even if they don't understand how it developed, or who deserves the credit/blame. That run was all on the defense, not on the RB.Heck #33 was 5 deep in the backfield getting hit by the FB when Forte ran past the safety, and still almost caught him. That type of defensive breakdown will be rare in the regular season.

 

[switz]

Take the defense out of the picture and pretend they weren't there and look at his burst and top speed. Coming from someone who watched every carry last year I can say he's a completely different back when healthy. If you timed him in the 40 on his best day last season it would have been around a 4.7 and now he's back to the 4.5's. And you talk about the one guy he made miss on the play. That's one more guy he made miss than all of last year.

1) Unfortunately, when the regular season hits, there will be defenses on the field.2) I agree he is faster this preseason than last season, but it is unlikely he will only need to make 1 guy miss on many, if any, plays during the regular season.

I'm not sure what to make of Forte for this year. Martz pass-happy offense should allow him more room at the line to break through. I was surprised to see how often the Raiders played against a run, given Martz's history. On the other hand, it likely will mean less run opportunities for Forte. Marshall Faulk averaged 237.4 carries with Martz from 1999-2003 and Frank Gore only had 240 carries in one season with Martz. Forte likely won’t sniff the 316 touches as he had in 2008, or even the 258 carries last season.And if he can't break 4.0 YPC, that means far fewer rush yards. His receptions may be high, he is a good receiver, but so is Taylor. I think that people are very much overrating him based on one play which was a defensive breakdown, and unlikely to occur during the regular season. Not to mention, the Raiders were 29th in the NFL in stopping the run last year, so temper your expectations

He will likely be a good (maybe even top-10 PPR) FF back this year. But I still think people underestimate how poor of an NFL RB he really is... which is why the team very quickly signed Taylor. And poor NFL RBs have a history of not sticking as starters for very long.

 

[shnikies]

Take the defense out of the picture and pretend they weren't there and look at his burst and top speed. Coming from someone who watched every carry last year I can say he's a completely different back when healthy. If you timed him in the 40 on his best day last season it would have been around a 4.7 and now he's back to the 4.5's. And you talk about the one guy he made miss on the play. That's one more guy he made miss than all of last year.

1) Unfortunately, when the regular season hits, there will be defenses on the field.

2) I agree he is faster this preseason than last season, but it is unlikely he will only need to make 1 guy miss on many, if any, plays during the regular season.

I'm not sure what to make of Forte for this year. Martz pass-happy offense should allow him more room at the line to break through. I was surprised to see how often the Raiders played against a run, given Martz's history. On the other hand, it likely will mean less run opportunities for Forte. Marshall Faulk averaged 237.4 carries with Martz from 1999-2003 and Frank Gore only had 240 carries in one season with Martz. Forte likely won’t sniff the 316 touches as he had in 2008, or even the 258 carries last season.And if he can't break 4.0 YPC, that means far fewer rush yards. His receptions may be high, he is a good receiver, but so is Taylor. I think that people are very much overrating him based on one play which was a defensive breakdown, and unlikely to occur during the regular season. Not to mention, the Raiders were 29th in the NFL in stopping the run last year, so temper your expectations

He will likely be a good (maybe even top-10 PPR) FF back this year. But I still think people underestimate how poor of an NFL RB he really is... which is why the team very quickly signed Taylor. And poor NFL RBs have a history of not sticking as starters for very long.

You missed my point. Don't look at the result of the play just look how he ran. There are going to be defenses in the regular season!!?!?! Nobody told me! He's a poor running back? Wrong. Is he great? Definitely not. He does everything well and he's nothing special but he's solid. They didn't sign Chester Taylor because of Forte's skills they signed him because he was injured and there was no telling if he'd recover or get to where he is now. In hindsight, Angelo would have NEVER signed Taylor if he knew Forte would get back to this point.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...oes-all-the-way Forte's run was a byproduct of horrible preseason defense. Ten guys were within 3 yards of the LOS, and there was still a huge whole for him to run through. Forte only needed to make one guy, #24 who terribly over pursued miss. He still almost got caught from behind. A 5th string RB could have made that run.

haters gonna hate

Nope. He may end up a very good FF RB this year in PPR... but that doesn't mean he's a good NFL RB, nor that his 89 yard run was impressive. But I sure hope people overdraft him due to that run. Guppies love big plays, even if they don't understand how it developed, or who deserves the credit/blame. That run was all on the defense, not on the RB.Heck #33 was 5 deep in the backfield getting hit by the FB when Forte ran past the safety, and still almost caught him. That type of defensive breakdown will be rare in the regular season.

May be a very good FF RB this year in PPR.......and u hope people overdraft him due to the run. Those two things aren't exactly in line Switz.Also I could breakdown lots of runs from your boy bouncing outside that the defense was out of position and it was a one cut run.

 

[dornado]

Can someone post his 89 yard TD run? (NWVERMIND

)....Forte had to juke a few guys and he showed excellent speed/burst....he's back. That run alone has made him jump 10-20 spots, adp wise, as it should. Guy will be a beast in Martz's offense...if he is healthy, ala '08...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...rte-all-the-way

Sorry to the folks that draft after this performance...he would have been a steal that guaranteed a playoff spot and a chance at most points. Still may be a huge steal. Value wise, imo, he is top 10 again, but you can get him in the 30-50's...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09...oes-all-the-way Forte's run was a byproduct of horrible preseason defense. Ten guys were within 3 yards of the LOS, and there was still a huge whole for him to run through. Forte only needed to make one guy, #24 who terribly over pursued miss. He still almost got caught from behind. A 5th string RB could have made that run.

He wasn't almost caught from behind, that's just crazy talk... maybe if the field were 30 yards longer

 

[abe froman]

How do you think Martz's system will do when the weather turns in CHI? Nevermind the wind, I wouldnt be quick to assume that what worked in STL (dome), and SF 80 will be utilized in CHI. They will be forced to run more. I can see more attempts than prev years, but who's to say how many Forte gets??

 

[shnikies]

How do you think Martz's system will do when the weather turns in CHI? Nevermind the wind, I wouldnt be quick to assume that what worked in STL (dome), and SF 80 will be utilized in CHI. They will be forced to run more. I can see more attempts than prev years, but who's to say how many Forte gets??

If you truly are "The Sausage King of Chicago" then you should have these answers. There's no way to know this for sure, it's going to be speculation up until the point it becomes hindsight. My feeling is that Forte is outperforming expectations in camp while Taylor has been underwhelming for the most part. They'll obviously ride the hot hand and that will be Forte more times than not.

 

[shnikies]

I believe Forte is leading the league in receiving. Always good to take advantage of bad defenses.

 

[switz]

I believe Forte is leading the league in receiving. Always good to take advantage of bad defenses.

If he continues to be fed the ball through the air, he will produce well in PPR leagues. Of course if he continues to run like crap, he probably won't be a starting RB for too long. NFL != FFL.For those that landed him though, you've gotta be thrilled with his FFL output this week.