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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
If only he could play every game against 2nd stringers.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Just enough to get someone to draft him in the 5th next year
Beaumont
Footballguy
Houston was not playing their 2nd stringers.He has had limited ops this year, but has done well when thrown to ...
Although I truly believe he is undervalued by most about 10 spots or so ...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Undervalued? Seriously?
Considering his ADP the last three years, hardly a bargain.
Props to Reggie Williams on catching his 10th TD of the season, though.
Considering his ADP the last three years, hardly a bargain.
Props to Reggie Williams on catching his 10th TD of the season, though.
Beaumont
Footballguy
If Fear & Loathing's rankings are any basis the following are ranked higher in a dynasty, and I would rank Jones over all of them for dynasty purposes. Perhaps I am insane?:[24] Derrick Mason BAL 33.6[19] Drew Bennett STL 29.0[18] Shaun McDonald DET 26.3[13] Bryant Johnson ARI (U) 26.5[13] Nate Burleson SEA 26.0[12] #Demetrius Williams BAL 24.5[11] #Robert Meachem® NO 23.0[11] Jerry Porter OAK 29.2[10] #Chad Jackson NE 22.5[9] Jacoby Jones® HOU 23.2[9] #Terry Glenn DAL 33.2[8] Devin Hester CHI 24.8[7] Arnaz Battle SF 27.6[7] Roydell Williams TEN 26.5[7] #Brandon Stokley DEN 31.2[7] #Dwayne Jarrett® CAR 21.0[7] Craig Davis® SD 21.9[5] Isaac Bruce STL 34.8
Beaumont
Footballguy
Absolutely agree Texans have issues at CB.I see Jones as having top 40 upside path forward, especially if he gets traded/cut (very possible this offseason) ...He is sitting on waivers in a lot of leagues. I'm just swimming against the tide here ...
coolnerd
Footballguy
Yeah, he seems to have that upside, but overall I don't like his percentage chances to make there. If the rumors that he does not work hard enough on paterns and other techniques of playing a WR are true then you will have what you have seen so far. A player who flashes things, and may put together a worthwhile season, but will not realize his upside consistently.
duece2626
Footballguy
LOL, way to know your stuff.
stevegamer
Footballguy
If Dunta Robinson was they guy getting beat, that would've impressed me a lot more.
He's got a shot - but right now he's Devin Hester with more sporadic production, and no ST production. It alos looks like one of the Jags WR has finally become productive, and it wasn't Jones.
He's got a shot - but right now he's Devin Hester with more sporadic production, and no ST production. It alos looks like one of the Jags WR has finally become productive, and it wasn't Jones.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I'm moving him up. I already did it on the blog, but I haven't gotten there yet on the main thread. I'd put him at about the middle of that list at least. His talent has never been the question for me. I just never know what's going on with the WRs in Del Rio's world. Jones closed out last season with a great December, and then he was put in the doghouse all off-season, through the pre-season, and then all throughout this season.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I know and have basically a 3rd string QB throwing him the ball too.
48% catch%, 6.34 yards per target.
For comparison purposes, Reggie Williams has a 63% catch% and 10.5 yards per target. Dennis Northcutt has a 60% catch% and 8.23 yards per target. Ernest Wilford has a 61% catch% and 7.00 yards per target. 
FUBAR
Footballguy
We knew he relied on natural talent before he was drafted. Few WRs can do that in the NFL. Even Randy Moss, who takes many plays "off" works harder.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Remember, he was a QB in college, not a WR.
FUBAR
Footballguy
One could hope that would make him work harder.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I really don't know this, but I wonder sometimes if a casual nonchalant demeanor is mistaken for laziness by Del Rio. Del Rio has always been one of those intense, tightly wound types and Jones just a laid back good ol' boy. It doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't try hard. But again, I'm not close to the situation and I really don't know.
JaxBill
Footballguy
He was repeatedly called out in preseason for his poor work ethic not only by Del Rio but also the wide receivers coach Todd Monken. Don't forget he has also been deactivated for several games this seaosn. I would not be surprised if he is cut this offseason by the Jags.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Small sample size, right?. One thing you pick up watching the Jags on a regular basis is that a good portion of Jones' targets come on jump balls. Until this past week, it seemed that he was used almost exclusively in the red zone, especially near the goal-line. I've also seen him on a couple of deep sideline patterns or long third downs attempts. In other words, Jones is put in low percentage situations relative to the other receivers. I don't think he has the greatest hands and his commitment seems like a significant issue, but he has the talent (as evidence by Sunday's game and his performance last December) to put up some numbers if the Jags make it a point to get him involved.48% catch%, 6.34 yards per target.For comparison purposes, Reggie Williams has a 63% catch% and 10.5 yards per target. Dennis Northcutt has a 60% catch% and 8.23 yards per target. Ernest Wilford has a 61% catch% and 7.00 yards per target.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Much to the ire of Jags fans, he also has a penchant for only sticking out only one hand to catch some of those jump ball.Small sample size, right?. One thing you pick up watching the Jags on a regular basis is that a good portion of Jones' targets come on jump balls. Until this past week, it seemed that he was used almost exclusively in the red zone, especially near the goal-line. I've also seen him on a couple of deep sideline patterns or long third downs attempts. In other words, Jones is put in low percentage situations relative to the other receivers. I don't think he has the greatest hands and his commitment seems like a significant issue, but he has the talent (as evidence by Sunday's game and his performance last December) to put up some numbers if the Jags make it a point to get him involved.48% catch%, 6.34 yards per target.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Randy Moss also has that penchant...Not saying Jones is Randy Moss, but they're both ultra-athletic former basketball players with tremendous size advantages. It may have something to do with the one handed jump ball habit.Much to the ire of Jags fans, he also has a penchant for only sticking out only one hand to catch some of those jump ball.Small sample size, right?. One thing you pick up watching the Jags on a regular basis is that a good portion of Jones' targets come on jump balls. Until this past week, it seemed that he was used almost exclusively in the red zone, especially near the goal-line. I've also seen him on a couple of deep sideline patterns or long third downs attempts. In other words, Jones is put in low percentage situations relative to the other receivers. I don't think he has the greatest hands and his commitment seems like a significant issue, but he has the talent (as evidence by Sunday's game and his performance last December) to put up some numbers if the Jags make it a point to get him involved.48% catch%, 6.34 yards per target.
Yes, small sample size; however, the original poster made a description of that sample (that Jones did well on his limited opportunities), and that description couldn't have possibly been further from the truth (Jones actually did very, very poorly on his limited opportunities). I wasn't trying to comment on the long-term prospects of Matt Jones (who I have always maintained is possibly the most physically gifted WR in the entire league), or on the type of situations he was put in, or the fact that he was converting from QB, or anything else concerning the why or the wherefore of his poor production. I was simply trying to correct a statement that I viewed as blatantly incorrect. Matt Jones did NOT do well when given the opportunity this year. There are many reasons for that, and it's not even close to entirely his fault, and I'm not saying this is a trend that will continue in the future, but that doesn't change the fact that bad things happened when the Jags threw the ball to Matt Jones this year.Small sample size, right?. One thing you pick up watching the Jags on a regular basis is that a good portion of Jones' targets come on jump balls. Until this past week, it seemed that he was used almost exclusively in the red zone, especially near the goal-line. I've also seen him on a couple of deep sideline patterns or long third downs attempts. In other words, Jones is put in low percentage situations relative to the other receivers. I don't think he has the greatest hands and his commitment seems like a significant issue, but he has the talent (as evidence by Sunday's game and his performance last December) to put up some numbers if the Jags make it a point to get him involved.48% catch%, 6.34 yards per target.For comparison purposes, Reggie Williams has a 63% catch% and 10.5 yards per target. Dennis Northcutt has a 60% catch% and 8.23 yards per target. Ernest Wilford has a 61% catch% and 7.00 yards per target.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'll pass on Matt Jones. IMO, he has about as much upside as Jamie Lynn Spears.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
She knows how to do a skinny post.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
At the end of a 12/31 Times-Union article:
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...230310372.shtml
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stor...230310372.shtml
Sure doesn't sound like JDR was impressed. With rookie Mike Walker coming off IR, I think Jones will be playing elsewhere in 2008.
I never knew Jamie Lynn Spears was 6'6", 240+ pounds, and ran a sub-4.4 forty. If Jones ever got a handle on the fundamentals of the WR position, he would be unstoppable. Seriously, how do you defend that? There are no DBs in the league strong enough to consistently muscle around a 240-pound receiver. There are no LBs in the league fast enough to keep up with a 4.4 receiver. And there's NOBODY in the back seven capable of consistently defending a 6'6" WR. He presents the matchup problems of an Antonio Gates... if Antonio Gates were noticeably faster. There's a reason why he was drafted in the first round despite having essentially no WR experience.History is littered with footnotes of physical freaks who never quite got a handle on the mechanics of football, but suggesting that Jones has no upside is silly. He's probably the most physically gifted WR in the league right now.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Matt Jones does not have above average hands, body control, awareness, acceleration, change-of-direction-skills, or physical toughness. He does have above average height and top-end speed. Those who want to continue to keep the dream alive...good luck.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
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Restricted
Footballguy
I'm holding for one more year. F'n last game teaser.King of the Jungle said:
EBF
Footballguy
King of the Jungle said:
Playing WR isn't a simple matter of being tall and fast. Quickness is perhaps the most important trait that a WR can have. Matt Jones is long-strider who lacks quickness and consequently can't get open underneath. He might develop into a decent deep threat and red zone weapon, but he will never be an elite WR.
gregjcross
Footballguy
JDR decided he doesnt have the time or desire to pay special attetntion to the fickle Jones, therefore, expect low production
A different coach with a mind for dealing with such players could get a lot of production out of Jones. Jones mindset is less than stellar, he needs to be the center of attention (all pressure on him) like he was at Arkansas as a QB --where he will go all out and definetily raised the play of his entire team while ther.
On the contrary, in this situation with JAX, he epitomizes the half hearted effort mixed with eccentric behavior. Somebody that can channel Jone's focus and figure out his pressure points would get a very good goal line WR and possible deep threat. Not a hall of famer, but a player that could go for 1,000 yards and 8 TDs.
A different coach with a mind for dealing with such players could get a lot of production out of Jones. Jones mindset is less than stellar, he needs to be the center of attention (all pressure on him) like he was at Arkansas as a QB --where he will go all out and definetily raised the play of his entire team while ther.
On the contrary, in this situation with JAX, he epitomizes the half hearted effort mixed with eccentric behavior. Somebody that can channel Jone's focus and figure out his pressure points would get a very good goal line WR and possible deep threat. Not a hall of famer, but a player that could go for 1,000 yards and 8 TDs.
Achilles
Footballguy
I agree, Matt Jones lack of productivity and development has more to do with JDR than anything else.
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree that Walker will be given a chance next year. On the other hand, I don't expect Jones to be cut this year because his contract is relatively affordable (if the above information is correct) at $625,000. That's not a lot of money so why cut him? I also agree with the poster who says Jones lacks the quickness to gain separation.
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slayer666
Footballguy
My biggest problem from day one with Jones is that he is fast and not quick. He cannot get great separation from guys (DBs) who are about the same speed but much quicker. I watched Matt Jones a lot at Arkansas, both on the gridiron and basketball court. You can tell he is a good athlete, but does not have the quickness to get open consistently. His hands and acceleration are average and he is still adjusting to life as a receiver. When he came out, many thought he should add weight and move to tight end. It looks like that might be the best move, especially if he is more like Dallas Clark. For the reasons above, Matt Jones has never been on one of my teams. I have thought he was overrated/overvalued.
i think you could do alot worse than Jones if you were a team like San Fran looking to take a chance on a potential impact WR. I think that's the perfect kind of team for him to play on, somewhere he'll actually get some decent playing time and a chance to succeed or fail for real, rather than playing once every few weeks
Wadsworth
Footballguy
1) Regarding acceleration, didn't he have one of the top 10 yard times at the combine for WRs? 2) Regarding a move to TE, Matt Jones avoids contact like Sam Adams avoids diet soda. He certainly has the tools to excel at TE, but he's has shown very little interest in blocking even 5'8" CBs much less the guys a TE would have to face.
Barring Jones blowing up in the playoffs I'd be surprised if he was a Jaguar next season. And beyond that, it would not surprise me if Jones wasn't playing in the NFL next season. The Cowboys might be able to convince him to play there next season if they were interested, but beyond that Matt doesn't seem too interested in the NFL at all. Don't be shocked if Jones blows off football completely and tries his hand at basketball in Europe. The guy just isn't that interested in being an NFL WR.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
the Great White Joke. give up the dream on this kid..he's never going to be the next Randy Moss , despite what many Shark Pool posters had him pegged to be ..I'm just sayin ...I refuse to give up the dream ...Was surprised no one else commented on this? I think he could still rebound and is undervalued in dynasty ...
he's a b-u-s-t..
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FUBAR
Footballguy
True, but it doesn't explain why they don't use him for short distance TDs - jump balls. Work ethic and a HC who expects a player to work seem to be the simplest answers. He's done alright when he's played.
radiohead417
Footballguy
I think Jones will be on the Jaguars next season, but he'll have a similar role as this season.
They'll keep 5 guys, it will probably look like this:
1. Reggie Williams
2. Dennis Northcutt
3. Matt Jones
4. Mike Walker
5. John Broussard/Charles Sharon
Walker could potentially go to IR again, or just be cut outright if he's not healthy. This is assuming they don't re-sign Wilford, which is also a possibility. A lot depends on Broussard's development. Seemed like he was in the doghouse by season's end (injuries too).
Jones is a tease. He KILLS me with the one-handed attempts. He just doesn't have the quickness or acceleration to be any kind of legit fantasy-level WR. Roster him at your own risk.
They'll keep 5 guys, it will probably look like this:
1. Reggie Williams
2. Dennis Northcutt
3. Matt Jones
4. Mike Walker
5. John Broussard/Charles Sharon
Walker could potentially go to IR again, or just be cut outright if he's not healthy. This is assuming they don't re-sign Wilford, which is also a possibility. A lot depends on Broussard's development. Seemed like he was in the doghouse by season's end (injuries too).
Jones is a tease. He KILLS me with the one-handed attempts. He just doesn't have the quickness or acceleration to be any kind of legit fantasy-level WR. Roster him at your own risk.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Before the season, JDR and the WR coach basically challenged Reggie Williams and Matt Jones. Reggie Williams "got it". Matt Jones didn't and probably never will.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Are you pulling this out of your ### or do you have a credible source indicating there would be some reason he might not be healthy? My understanding when he was placed on IR was that it was a move to stash him more than anything else, and that if they didn't have an abundance of WRs they would have kept him active. There are a lot of dynasty leaguers looking closely at Walker for next year, so if this "IR again, or just be cut outright" stuff is just pure speculation on your part without any backup, please don't.
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Restricted
Footballguy
Is that why he was inactive week one?
JaxBill
Footballguy
A) He was still in the doghouse at the time.B) They only dressed 4 WR that game to keep an extra OL active because of injuries.I would think setting a club record for TD catches would be indicative of a pretty decent year.
radiohead417
Footballguy
Nobody has any legit news on Walker - he obviously can't practice, so we won't know anything until minicamp next season. Yes, he may have been stashed. But you have to acknowledge anytime someone goes to IR that there's a possibility of a lingering injury. I wasn't speculating that Walker is, or will be a bust.What I am saying is that you can't assume anything with him. He was a third round pick. For god's sake, Eric Crouch was a third round wide receiver.
Walker has a very nice upside, but at this point no one outside of Jacksonville trainers (who aren't going to be talking) and Walker himself knows about his status for '08.
Topes
Footballguy
When I saw 8/138/1 in the subrtile of this thread, I thought that was his season stats.
I don't pay much attention to the Jags, as I don't own any in fantasy since I cut Reggie Williams (again) a while back.
As such, that stat line seems believable. Never see him in the highlights.
He's a whole lot of gush for nothing.
I don't pay much attention to the Jags, as I don't own any in fantasy since I cut Reggie Williams (again) a while back.
As such, that stat line seems believable. Never see him in the highlights.
He's a whole lot of gush for nothing.
