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JohnnyU
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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Falcons are far less likely to trade Matt Shaub this offseason following the hiring of Bobby Petrino.
It doesn't help that D.J. Shockley is next on the depth chart. Schaub is a restricted free agent and will likely be granted the highest-round tender despite barely playing in 2006. There's still a chance Petrino will allow Schaub to compete with Michael Vick in training camp.
Obviously I'm not buying that last sentence. If the price is right Schaub is gone IMO, but I'm not so sure any team will give-up what it would take to get him. We are probably looking at a 1st and 3rd rd pick to get Schaub away from Atlanta. I'm not sure any team would give that, but the Vikings might. I don't think the Vikings view T Jackson as the future QB of their team, but I could be wrong.
It doesn't help that D.J. Shockley is next on the depth chart. Schaub is a restricted free agent and will likely be granted the highest-round tender despite barely playing in 2006. There's still a chance Petrino will allow Schaub to compete with Michael Vick in training camp.
Obviously I'm not buying that last sentence. If the price is right Schaub is gone IMO, but I'm not so sure any team will give-up what it would take to get him. We are probably looking at a 1st and 3rd rd pick to get Schaub away from Atlanta. I'm not sure any team would give that, but the Vikings might. I don't think the Vikings view T Jackson as the future QB of their team, but I could be wrong.
dgreen
Footballguy
I just heard Mort on Mike and Mike this morning and he said he thinks Shaub will be traded this offseason.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree the hype is too high, but he has shown tremendous potential at times when given the opportunity. We simply haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate determination. A couple things about Matt Schaub that I do like, and that is his measurables (6'5" 237), and what's between his ears. I think Schaub is very intelligent and appears to have good leadership potential. Is he over hyped? Certainly. Does he have very good potential? Certainly.
massraider
Footballguy
Now is the time to trade him. He'll sign the one year tender, then be a UFA next year, and the Falcons get nothing. They're going to demand a high price for Shaub (and his career completion percentage of 52.2, and TD/INT ration of 6/6), they better get something this offseason.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
chris1969
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http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/10023456
It appears that Schaub can be had for #15 overall in Round 1 or 2nd rounder next year with some mediocre benchmarks turning it into a #1.
That would kinda change things as far as other teams being interested.
It appears that Schaub can be had for #15 overall in Round 1 or 2nd rounder next year with some mediocre benchmarks turning it into a #1.
That would kinda change things as far as other teams being interested.
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massraider
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Yep, a first round pick seems high to me, and with only one year before he walks, it would seem like other teams would have some leverage with the Falcons, but then again, it only takes two teams for a bidding war to start.
As a Falcons fan, I'd love to see the Falcons package Schaub (a former 3rd round pick) this offseason for at least a 2nd rounder, but ideally a 1st round pick.
If the Falcons could dump Schaub on a team with a high pick and somehow move up into the top3/4 to grab Calvin Johnson or Peterson, that'd be ideal. Otherwise the Falcons really need to draft two defensive players with the extra pick they get (and with their 10th of course).
More than likely if they get a 2nd rounder, I wouldn't be surprised if the Petrino pushes for the drafting of the Louisville RB, Bush, even though this pick doesn't make much sense with Dunn & Norwood already in the backfield. I would rather the Falcons use their extra pick to draft a quality **big** O-lineman into their rookie crop.
As far as the Falcons secondary, last year's CB pick, Jimmy Williams, looks to be a better fit as a converted safety. Patrick Kerney will take big dollars from some team, but honestly I am not sad to see him go. He came off an injury-plagued campaign, and has maybe 1 or 2 good years in him, he's 29. I think his best years are behind him, and his cap money is better spent on a 1st/2nd round DE. John Abraham has to play like an All-Pro for a full season, because the Falcons are paying him $8million a year. If the Falcons were to resign Kerney, it just seems that they would be spending too many cap dollars on just that one position, DE.
ps- Trading away TJ Duckett was a huge mistake. The DVD running attack was really quite something to behold, and the 2006 Falcons red zone offense was quite dismal without the 250lb big guy.
If the Falcons could dump Schaub on a team with a high pick and somehow move up into the top3/4 to grab Calvin Johnson or Peterson, that'd be ideal. Otherwise the Falcons really need to draft two defensive players with the extra pick they get (and with their 10th of course).
More than likely if they get a 2nd rounder, I wouldn't be surprised if the Petrino pushes for the drafting of the Louisville RB, Bush, even though this pick doesn't make much sense with Dunn & Norwood already in the backfield. I would rather the Falcons use their extra pick to draft a quality **big** O-lineman into their rookie crop.
As far as the Falcons secondary, last year's CB pick, Jimmy Williams, looks to be a better fit as a converted safety. Patrick Kerney will take big dollars from some team, but honestly I am not sad to see him go. He came off an injury-plagued campaign, and has maybe 1 or 2 good years in him, he's 29. I think his best years are behind him, and his cap money is better spent on a 1st/2nd round DE. John Abraham has to play like an All-Pro for a full season, because the Falcons are paying him $8million a year. If the Falcons were to resign Kerney, it just seems that they would be spending too many cap dollars on just that one position, DE.
ps- Trading away TJ Duckett was a huge mistake. The DVD running attack was really quite something to behold, and the 2006 Falcons red zone offense was quite dismal without the 250lb big guy.
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jeter23
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The Falcons offered the highest tender possible to restricted free agent Matt Schaub, making it unlikely he'll sign an offer sheet with another team.
A team would have to give up a first and third round pick to sign Schaub through free agency. While that's unlikely, teams can deal directly with Atlanta if they want to land Schaub in a trade. We think he's still likely to get moved.
Not sure if this has been posted already or not.
A team would have to give up a first and third round pick to sign Schaub through free agency. While that's unlikely, teams can deal directly with Atlanta if they want to land Schaub in a trade. We think he's still likely to get moved.
Not sure if this has been posted already or not.
jeter23
Footballguy
Word within NFL circles is that the Vikings haven't backed off in their pursuit of Atlanta quarterback Matt Schaub and will offer their second-round pick in April's draft and an offensive player — perhaps quarterback Brad Johnson. And don't be surprised if the Vikings target free-agent defensive end Dewayne White of Tampa Bay.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/16790969.htm
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/16790969.htm
Shrek
Having a great season
I would agree with this 100%. That guy showed me nothing to make me think he would be the Vikings (or anyone else's) QB of the future.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I've been on the Schaub bandwagon since I first saw him play 2 years ago. I've been hoping he gets a shot and it looks like he finally will. If not, then he definitely will next year. He might not light the world on fire, but he really is a smart QB and over time could become a very good QB. You may criticize him but he hasn't had much game time and when he has had some, he's showed tremendous potential.
zamboni
Footballguy
Schaub may indeed have better upside, but it kind of reminds me of the hype we saw for Billy Volek a few years back. And we saw how that turned out.
Of course, there was also a lot of hype for Jake Delhomme and that did turn out to be basically valid.
My guess is that Schaub will wind up somewhere in the middle of those two.
Of course, there was also a lot of hype for Jake Delhomme and that did turn out to be basically valid.
My guess is that Schaub will wind up somewhere in the middle of those two.
TeamDingo
Footballguy
The vikes run the KAO. which as near as anyone can tell is run/run/throw short of the sticks/punt
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Volek was benched before he had a chance.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
I agree, he is 0-2 as a starter, unproven and has not accomplished enough to warrant this type of attention.
KoolKat
Footballguy
I know that one of those starts was against the Patriots, and they lost by a game winning field goal. He actually lit it up. I think the fact that the Falcons are so reluctant to give him up is a good sign. Plus he has shown he is prototype.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Incorrect. Volek was benched before he got on the field. However, don't be confused: he had a chance and displayed poor work ethic and poor leadership so a decision to bench him was made.TKO Spikes said:
I agree that he has looked very good at times and has all the measurables you want. That said his career compltion percentage is worse than vick's, his TD - INT ratio is worse than vick's, and he's won none of the games he's started, so IMO he's overrated. I agree he has potential but I can also see him being a bust as a starter. Ppl have already mentioned billy volek as someone who looked good as a backup but didn't get it done as a starter another one is doug johnson who ironically was also a backup for vick.I know that one of those starts was against the Patriots, and they lost by a game winning field goal. He actually lit it up. I think the fact that the Falcons are so reluctant to give him up is a good sign. Plus he has shown he is prototype.
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Tommy Collins
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You're seriously comparing Schaub's career to Vick's? Talking about a SMALL sample size.FTRWRTR said:I agree that he has looked very good at times and has all the measurables you want. That said his career compltion percentage is worse than vick's, his TD - INT ratio is worse than vick's, and he's won none of the games he's started, so IMO he's overrated. I agree he has potential but I can also see him being a bust as a starter. Ppl have already mentioned billy volek as someone who looked good as a backup but didn't get it done as a starter another one is doug johnson who ironically was also a backup for vick.KoolKat said:I know that one of those starts was against the Patriots, and they lost by a game winning field goal. He actually lit it up. I think the fact that the Falcons are so reluctant to give him up is a good sign. Plus he has shown he is prototype.Phurfur said:
VICK-tory
Footballguy
This is from draftsharks.com,
Matt Schaub linked to 2 teams
NFL insider John McClain told us that Falcons QB Matt Schaub "could end up with Oakland or Minnesota" when free agency starts Friday. Schaub, a restricted free agent, was tendered at 1st & 3rd round compensation, but any team can swing a deal with Atlanta directly. There had been rumors that Schaub might be headed to Houston but McClain poo-pooed that one. Have you ever heard of an NFL reserve generating so much buzz? He's only started 2 pro football games!
Matt Schaub linked to 2 teams
NFL insider John McClain told us that Falcons QB Matt Schaub "could end up with Oakland or Minnesota" when free agency starts Friday. Schaub, a restricted free agent, was tendered at 1st & 3rd round compensation, but any team can swing a deal with Atlanta directly. There had been rumors that Schaub might be headed to Houston but McClain poo-pooed that one. Have you ever heard of an NFL reserve generating so much buzz? He's only started 2 pro football games!
massraider
Footballguy
Well, I prefer that to the Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders rumor.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
If I were him I definitely wouldn't want to sign a contract extension with either of those 2 teams.
I'm not comparing career totals, that would be ridiculous. I'm comparing career percentagesYou're seriously comparing Schaub's career to Vick's? Talking about a SMALL sample size.FTRWRTR said:I agree that he has looked very good at times and has all the measurables you want. That said his career compltion percentage is worse than vick's, his TD - INT ratio is worse than vick's, and he's won none of the games he's started, so IMO he's overrated. I agree he has potential but I can also see him being a bust as a starter. Ppl have already mentioned billy volek as someone who looked good as a backup but didn't get it done as a starter another one is doug johnson who ironically was also a backup for vick.KoolKat said:I know that one of those starts was against the Patriots, and they lost by a game winning field goal. He actually lit it up. I think the fact that the Falcons are so reluctant to give him up is a good sign. Plus he has shown he is prototype.Phurfur said:
jeter23
Footballguy
The price has gotten too high for the Vikings to seriously consider a deal for Atlanta quarterback Matt Schaub.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress...ts/16806562.htm
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress...ts/16806562.htm
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
It won't happen.
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
Reporting this is the sports gossip columist for the Pioneer Press. Don't take everything he says as the gospel truth.I still think (and hope) a trade can be made. I think Atl. tendered him the highest tender to get teams to deal directly with them on a trade that would require lower picks. The Falcons want to see what they can get for him before they lose him next year as a UFA.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't think Schaub is going anywhere.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. I've held onto him for 2 years, I don't mind holding onto him for another year. At that point, he gets to make the decision where he wants to play.
