McFadden believes he will be drafted by Jets (1 Viewer)

[Cookiemonster]

I would imagine the Jets may actually be thrilled that McFadden's Mom doesnt like New York. Maybe she'll keep here butt back home in Arkansas and let DMac play some football in relative 'peace'. And listen. For anyone who thinks Leon Washington is a Darren McFadden-type answer for the Jets running game. Please. Lets be serious here. Leon is a nice little back. He's a capable 3rd down guy. He's a solid return man. But the kid never even had a 1000yd season in college. He never carried the ball more than 140 times. McFadden has done that in the SEC for 3 straight years. He's had over 350 touches in back to back seasons and basically OWNED the SEC. How can we not respect that? Its the SEC we're talking about here. The man obviously has vision most people simply dont understand to amass the #s he has. There's more to running the football than simply speed. Im not penciling the man into the HOF here, but you cant just write off his accomplishments to this point, and suggest that just any old back can do what he does.

And Cedric Benson owned the Big 12 and Ron Dayne owned the Big 10 and J.J. Arrington owned the Pac-10.McFadden did great against LSU, sure. But he was shut down by Auburn and outrushed by Tony Temple by about 200 yards in his bowl game. He was also held in check in his '06 Bowl game. Let's not make the SEC out to be the NFL lite, because it's not.And expert analysis on Leon Washington there. He's a "nice little back" that weighs almost the same as McFadden but with a much higher body mass ratio.

Damn!! I'd hate to be on the other end of the opinion spectrum from Chase. twitch posts something that I can agree w/, then Chase shoots holes all over it in a fashion that makes me think, "What was twitch thinking?"

 

[Chaos Commish]

Man, I love this time of year, but I know better than to get involved in the annual polarizing player debates.

I think McFadden's going to fall some. I also think every team that passes on him will live to regret it, starting with the Dolphins.

That's all I have to say about that.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I would imagine the Jets may actually be thrilled that McFadden's Mom doesnt like New York. Maybe she'll keep here butt back home in Arkansas and let DMac play some football in relative 'peace'. And listen. For anyone who thinks Leon Washington is a Darren McFadden-type answer for the Jets running game. Please. Lets be serious here. Leon is a nice little back. He's a capable 3rd down guy. He's a solid return man. But the kid never even had a 1000yd season in college. He never carried the ball more than 140 times. McFadden has done that in the SEC for 3 straight years. He's had over 350 touches in back to back seasons and basically OWNED the SEC. How can we not respect that? Its the SEC we're talking about here. The man obviously has vision most people simply dont understand to amass the #s he has. There's more to running the football than simply speed. Im not penciling the man into the HOF here, but you cant just write off his accomplishments to this point, and suggest that just any old back can do what he does.

And Cedric Benson owned the Big 12 and Ron Dayne owned the Big 10 and J.J. Arrington owned the Pac-10.McFadden did great against LSU, sure. But he was shut down by Auburn and outrushed by Tony Temple by about 200 yards in his bowl game. He was also held in check in his '06 Bowl game. Let's not make the SEC out to be the NFL lite, because it's not.And expert analysis on Leon Washington there. He's a "nice little back" that weighs almost the same as McFadden but with a much higher body mass ratio.

I wanted nothing to do with Dayne, Benson or Arrington in fantasy when they came out. Two of those guys were too slow with no explosion whatsoever, playing behind traditionally dominant Olines. And it took me about 2 1/2minutes of watching Arrington's "highlights" on YouTube to realize he wasnt doing squat in the pros. Little guy, no power, getting tracked down from behind against Air Force. Not much else to say. That's not really bragging either. Because Im sure I wasnt alone in any of those observations. Anyone who watched Cedric Benson break down crying at the NFL draft know something was up with that guy. Too weird. Not weird like Ricky Williams putting on a wedding dress weird. But weird, like let me not touch this guy weird. So, I dont care who thought anything about those 3 guys. I didnt like any of 'em. And that's not poor recollection. That's fact. And, yes. Washington is a nice little back. I dont need to change my evaluation there because not much else is really needed. Id describe Kevin Faulk similarly without going into great detail breaking down either of their games, and I like Faulk's game just as much. Btw, Washington had a pre-draft broad jump of 8'9". McFadden's was 10'8". Thats a simple 'explosion' stat, that in short summarizes the difference in the two. It tells me more about their abilities than this next statisitic... Body mass ratio? Really? Who cares about body mass ratio? Arrington has it. So does Benson. It means nothing, and it means something, but it doesnt mean everything. Shapes and sizes, bro, shapes and sizes. They come in all types. Im not going further into a Leon Washington bashing rant. He's a nice little back, and I like his game. And we can pick apart every back's individual games. No one shines in 'em all. They all get shut down. Tomlinson had 25 yds on 17 carries last year to open the season, but he doesnt exactly suck. But the simple fact that you actually said, "he did great against LSU" and seemingly discounted that performance kind of tells me all I really need to know here. When you find a better football conference, and better pre-NFL competition than the SEC you let me know. Im not a fan of the SEC for a second. I just know better. More premier players in the league come of out of the that conference, specifically on D, than any other. I cant believe I actually just felt a need to make that statement. These players get broken down to no end. McFadden would probably have had even better #s at Arkansas had he actually not shared the backfield with another 1st round tailback. He would have had more carries, more touches, more TDs, and he would probably have handled the load with that same patented smile that's been apparently working wonders on all the ladies in Arkansas. He's a unique player in alot of ways. He's probably not even going to make it to the Jets because the Raiders will probably jump all over him, which I dont personally like. Id rather see him playing in NY. He'd be good for that team and better for the NFL in the Big Apple, imo. But we'll see. None of us have the crystal ball we'd like to think we do.

Dayne and Benson were top ten picks. That's all you need to know about them. Your revisionist history is not very useful.Wearing a wedding dress -- not enough to discount a player from future NFL successCrying at the NFL draft -- enough to discount a player from future NFL successGoing fishing with dad and skipping the draft -- lock to be a bust (unless, of course, he's a stud. Then it's a good sign.)Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did. You keep referring to Leon Washington as little. His BMI -- which does matter -- is a lot better than McFadden's. He's 6'1, 211 -- a BMI of 27.8. None of the RBs in the past decade or so have been as light as McFadden and a success at the NFL level except for Warrick Dunn. He's Reggie Bush light. Brian Westbrook has a BMI over 30. Tomlinson's is 32. Now once you get heavier than say, 33, you're in the questionable zone. But 29-33 seems to be the sweet spot there. Leon Washington has a BMI of 31.9, which is right in the ideal area. You can't call Leon Washington little when you're comparing him to McFadden. He's not little; he's big. At least, compared to McFadden. You have SEC goggles on, which is the problem. You seem to think that being an SEC RB means you're awesome. Except Cadillac Williams has been a bust, Ronnie Brown has been under productive for the #2 back, and Jamal Lewis has underwhelmed for the #5 spot, too. There have been some successes -- Alexander, Fred Taylor -- but just being an SEC RB doesn't mean you're going to be a star anymore than being a PSU LB means you're going to be a star.McFadden is a risky player. He's thin, and he played in a gimmicky college offense. Three of the top four leading rushers last year went to TCU, Villanova and North Carolina. College pedigree is often overrated. It's nice to think "he put up great numbers playing against these tough opponents in college, so he'll be good in the NFL", but it doesn't work that way. It's a totally different game. Totally different. You can't stress enough how different the level of competition is in the SEC and the NFL. And if the SEC was so amazing, I'd have expected McFadden to not get outrushed by 200 yards in his team's bowl game. Ya know, against a non-SEC team.

 

[LBH]

I would imagine the Jets may actually be thrilled that McFadden's Mom doesnt like New York. Maybe she'll keep here butt back home in Arkansas and let DMac play some football in relative 'peace'. And listen. For anyone who thinks Leon Washington is a Darren McFadden-type answer for the Jets running game. Please. Lets be serious here. Leon is a nice little back. He's a capable 3rd down guy. He's a solid return man. But the kid never even had a 1000yd season in college. He never carried the ball more than 140 times. McFadden has done that in the SEC for 3 straight years. He's had over 350 touches in back to back seasons and basically OWNED the SEC. How can we not respect that? Its the SEC we're talking about here. The man obviously has vision most people simply dont understand to amass the #s he has. There's more to running the football than simply speed. Im not penciling the man into the HOF here, but you cant just write off his accomplishments to this point, and suggest that just any old back can do what he does.

And Cedric Benson owned the Big 12 and Ron Dayne owned the Big 10 and J.J. Arrington owned the Pac-10.McFadden did great against LSU, sure. But he was shut down by Auburn and outrushed by Tony Temple by about 200 yards in his bowl game. He was also held in check in his '06 Bowl game. Let's not make the SEC out to be the NFL lite, because it's not.And expert analysis on Leon Washington there. He's a "nice little back" that weighs almost the same as McFadden but with a much higher body mass ratio.

Leon Washington is a lot more than a "nice little back". All he needs is oppurtunity imo. My conviction in Washingtons talent is the reason id rather see the Jets try and move down and grab their top CB.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

McFadden's name will be called at #4 to Oakland.

take it to the bank.

 

[twitch]

McFadden is a risky player. He's thin, and he played in a gimmicky college offense. Three of the top four leading rushers last year went to TCU, Villanova and North Carolina. College pedigree is often overrated. It's nice to think "he put up great numbers playing against these tough opponents in college, so he'll be good in the NFL", but it doesn't work that way. It's a totally different game. Totally different. You can't stress enough how different the level of competition is in the SEC and the NFL. And if the SEC was so amazing, I'd have expected McFadden to not get outrushed by 200 yards in his team's bowl game. Ya know, against a non-SEC team.

Not a word about that simple stat that I provided in the broad jump??? Nearly a TWO FOOT difference in the broad jump between Washington and McFadden. Why do you think scouts have them do simple little things like that? Just to watch them jump? Again, a 2 foot difference in the key "explosion" statistic. Not a few inches. A couple feet. I know, irrelevant. he's just some skinny guy who lit up the SEC for a couple years in a gimmicky offense. Good stuff.

I know some people consider you somewhat of a football 'god' around here, so I'll let this go.

 

[EBF]

One thing about the broad jump is that it favors tall prospects since they have longer legs.

Two feet is still a big difference, but a 6'1" guy has a huge natural advantage over a 5'8" guy.

 

[cstu]

Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did.

Dayne was a plodder and Benson was a workhorse, not much more. I wasn't alone in being pretty damn sure both those guys would be NFL busts. Neither of them had close to the measurables of McFadden.

 

[EBF]

Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did.

Dayne was a plodder and Benson was a workhorse, not much more. I wasn't alone in being pretty damn sure both those guys would be NFL busts. Neither of them had close to the measurables of McFadden.

There were definitely reasons to be skeptical of those two. Dayne just didn't have the burst of a top shelf NFL back. Benson looked pretty good on the field and had an ideal build and resume, but he bombed big time in pre-draft workouts. That was a big red flag about his athleticism. McFadden is a different beast. He has good workout numbers and a good resume. Where he's deficient is in running style and body type. You don't see a lot of gangly, straight-line runners excel at the NFL level. It's going to be very interesting to see how he fares at the pro level.

 

[twitch]

Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did.

Dayne was a plodder and Benson was a workhorse, not much more. I wasn't alone in being pretty damn sure both those guys would be NFL busts. Neither of them had close to the measurables of McFadden.

thank you. now, can I see some identification, please?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did.

Dayne was a plodder and Benson was a workhorse, not much more. I wasn't alone in being pretty damn sure both those guys would be NFL busts. Neither of them had close to the measurables of McFadden.

Yeah, lots of people thought Peyton Manning would bust, or Donovan McNabb would bust, or Philip Rivers would bust. People said Adrian Peterson would bust, too.There are lots of people out there. Every player will have some people say they'll bust. But when a guy is a top 10 pick, he's expected to be a stud by almost everyone. McFadden falls into that group, too.

There's not a single better predictor of NFL success than your overall draft selection. Not the college you went to, the conference you were in, your broad jump, or how many kids you have. Emmitt Smith was a workhorse, and Jerome Bettis was a plodder -- those are two of your top five all time leading rushers. The majority of people thought Dayne and Benson were going to be stars in the NFL. They busted. It happens.

The majority of people think McFadden will be a star. I recognize I'm in the (seemingly ever growing) minority here by saying he's too risky for me. But I don't want him on the Jets because I see his risk ratio as being high (because of the BMI and running style) and I see his upside value to the Jets as limited, since they already have Leon Washington. If the Jets just had Thomas Jones, or had Kevan Barlow, sure, I'd say roll the dice on McFadden. But his value to the Jets -- he'd have to be noticeably better than a combination of Washington and Jones -- discounted by his likelihood of reaching that level, makes him an odd choice for New York.

Obviously Gholston is the ideal guy for me. I doubt Long will be there, but he's ideal, too. I don't want Dorsey or Ellis since they don't fit the 3-4. I'd prefer to trade down and grab multiple picks, pick value chart be damned, if it's McFadden or Dorsey. If the Jets brass is in love with one of the three small school corners, I'd prefer to go that route. I'd rank the Jets needs as follows:

1. RDE for the 3-4

2. LDE for the 3-4

3. CB2

4. OLB2

5. FS

6. TE

7. WR

8. QB

9. RB

Seeing how there's no player I see worth picking at 6 that can satisfy needs 1-3, I'd go after Gholston.

 

[duaneok66]

I would imagine the Jets may actually be thrilled that McFadden's Mom doesnt like New York. Maybe she'll keep here butt back home in Arkansas and let DMac play some football in relative 'peace'. And listen. For anyone who thinks Leon Washington is a Darren McFadden-type answer for the Jets running game. Please. Lets be serious here. Leon is a nice little back. He's a capable 3rd down guy. He's a solid return man. But the kid never even had a 1000yd season in college. He never carried the ball more than 140 times. McFadden has done that in the SEC for 3 straight years. He's had over 350 touches in back to back seasons and basically OWNED the SEC. How can we not respect that? Its the SEC we're talking about here. The man obviously has vision most people simply dont understand to amass the #s he has. There's more to running the football than simply speed. Im not penciling the man into the HOF here, but you cant just write off his accomplishments to this point, and suggest that just any old back can do what he does.

And Cedric Benson owned the Big 12 and Ron Dayne owned the Big 10 and J.J. Arrington owned the Pac-10.McFadden did great against LSU, sure. But he was shut down by Auburn and outrushed by Tony Temple by about 200 yards in his bowl game. He was also held in check in his '06 Bowl game. Let's not make the SEC out to be the NFL lite, because it's not.And expert analysis on Leon Washington there. He's a "nice little back" that weighs almost the same as McFadden but with a much higher body mass ratio.

I wanted nothing to do with Dayne, Benson or Arrington in fantasy when they came out. Two of those guys were too slow with no explosion whatsoever, playing behind traditionally dominant Olines. And it took me about 2 1/2minutes of watching Arrington's "highlights" on YouTube to realize he wasnt doing squat in the pros. Little guy, no power, getting tracked down from behind against Air Force. Not much else to say. That's not really bragging either. Because Im sure I wasnt alone in any of those observations. Anyone who watched Cedric Benson break down crying at the NFL draft know something was up with that guy. Too weird. Not weird like Ricky Williams putting on a wedding dress weird. But weird, like let me not touch this guy weird. So, I dont care who thought anything about those 3 guys. I didnt like any of 'em. And that's not poor recollection. That's fact. And, yes. Washington is a nice little back. I dont need to change my evaluation there because not much else is really needed. Id describe Kevin Faulk similarly without going into great detail breaking down either of their games, and I like Faulk's game just as much. Btw, Washington had a pre-draft broad jump of 8'9". McFadden's was 10'8". Thats a simple 'explosion' stat, that in short summarizes the difference in the two. It tells me more about their abilities than this next statisitic... Body mass ratio? Really? Who cares about body mass ratio? Arrington has it. So does Benson. It means nothing, and it means something, but it doesnt mean everything. Shapes and sizes, bro, shapes and sizes. They come in all types. Im not going further into a Leon Washington bashing rant. He's a nice little back, and I like his game. And we can pick apart every back's individual games. No one shines in 'em all. They all get shut down. Tomlinson had 25 yds on 17 carries last year to open the season, but he doesnt exactly suck. But the simple fact that you actually said, "he did great against LSU" and seemingly discounted that performance kind of tells me all I really need to know here. When you find a better football conference, and better pre-NFL competition than the SEC you let me know. Im not a fan of the SEC for a second. I just know better. More premier players in the league come of out of the that conference, specifically on D, than any other. I cant believe I actually just felt a need to make that statement. These players get broken down to no end. McFadden would probably have had even better #s at Arkansas had he actually not shared the backfield with another 1st round tailback. He would have had more carries, more touches, more TDs, and he would probably have handled the load with that same patented smile that's been apparently working wonders on all the ladies in Arkansas. He's a unique player in alot of ways. He's probably not even going to make it to the Jets because the Raiders will probably jump all over him, which I dont personally like. Id rather see him playing in NY. He'd be good for that team and better for the NFL in the Big Apple, imo. But we'll see. None of us have the crystal ball we'd like to think we do.

Dayne and Benson were top ten picks. That's all you need to know about them. Your revisionist history is not very useful.Wearing a wedding dress -- not enough to discount a player from future NFL successCrying at the NFL draft -- enough to discount a player from future NFL successGoing fishing with dad and skipping the draft -- lock to be a bust (unless, of course, he's a stud. Then it's a good sign.)Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did. You keep referring to Leon Washington as little. His BMI -- which does matter -- is a lot better than McFadden's. He's 6'1, 211 -- a BMI of 27.8. None of the RBs in the past decade or so have been as light as McFadden and a success at the NFL level except for Warrick Dunn. He's Reggie Bush light. Brian Westbrook has a BMI over 30. Tomlinson's is 32. Now once you get heavier than say, 33, you're in the questionable zone. But 29-33 seems to be the sweet spot there. Leon Washington has a BMI of 31.9, which is right in the ideal area. You can't call Leon Washington little when you're comparing him to McFadden. He's not little; he's big. At least, compared to McFadden. You have SEC goggles on, which is the problem. You seem to think that being an SEC RB means you're awesome. Except Cadillac Williams has been a bust, Ronnie Brown has been under productive for the #2 back, and Jamal Lewis has underwhelmed for the #5 spot, too. There have been some successes -- Alexander, Fred Taylor -- but just being an SEC RB doesn't mean you're going to be a star anymore than being a PSU LB means you're going to be a star.McFadden is a risky player. He's thin, and he played in a gimmicky college offense. Three of the top four leading rushers last year went to TCU, Villanova and North Carolina. College pedigree is often overrated. It's nice to think "he put up great numbers playing against these tough opponents in college, so he'll be good in the NFL", but it doesn't work that way. It's a totally different game. Totally different. You can't stress enough how different the level of competition is in the SEC and the NFL. And if the SEC was so amazing, I'd have expected McFadden to not get outrushed by 200 yards in his team's bowl game. Ya know, against a non-SEC team.

post of the thread . . .Bush was receiving NO criticism 24 months ago, and now he has glaring deficiencies in his game . . .the holes get smaller in the NFL, McFadden (just like Bush did) will find this out the hard way . . .

 

[cstu]

Benson and Dayne were every bit the prospect that McFadden was, and had even better college resumes. They didn't do it at gimmicky offenses like McFadden did.

Dayne was a plodder and Benson was a workhorse, not much more. I wasn't alone in being pretty damn sure both those guys would be NFL busts. Neither of them had close to the measurables of McFadden.

Yeah, lots of people thought Peyton Manning would bust, or Donovan McNabb would bust, or Philip Rivers would bust. People said Adrian Peterson would bust, too.There are lots of people out there. Every player will have some people say they'll bust. But when a guy is a top 10 pick, he's expected to be a stud by almost everyone. McFadden falls into that group, too.

There's not a single better predictor of NFL success than your overall draft selection. Not the college you went to, the conference you were in, your broad jump, or how many kids you have. Emmitt Smith was a workhorse, and Jerome Bettis was a plodder -- those are two of your top five all time leading rushers. The majority of people thought Dayne and Benson were going to be stars in the NFL. They busted. It happens.

The majority of people think McFadden will be a star. I recognize I'm in the (seemingly ever growing) minority here by saying he's too risky for me. But I don't want him on the Jets because I see his risk ratio as being high (because of the BMI and running style) and I see his upside value to the Jets as limited, since they already have Leon Washington. If the Jets just had Thomas Jones, or had Kevan Barlow, sure, I'd say roll the dice on McFadden. But his value to the Jets -- he'd have to be noticeably better than a combination of Washington and Jones -- discounted by his likelihood of reaching that level, makes him an odd choice for New York.

Obviously Gholston is the ideal guy for me. I doubt Long will be there, but he's ideal, too. I don't want Dorsey or Ellis since they don't fit the 3-4. I'd prefer to trade down and grab multiple picks, pick value chart be damned, if it's McFadden or Dorsey. If the Jets brass is in love with one of the three small school corners, I'd prefer to go that route. I'd rank the Jets needs as follows:

1. RDE for the 3-4

2. LDE for the 3-4

3. CB2

4. OLB2

5. FS

6. TE

7. WR

8. QB

9. RB

Seeing how there's no player I see worth picking at 6 that can satisfy needs 1-3, I'd go after Gholston.

Of course McFadden is risky, but I think he's worth it. In the case of guys like Dayne and Benson, they were considered "safe" RB picks because they could carry the ball a lot. I don't claim to know more than anyone else, but I can see when a guy gets drafted too high because of his college production rather than his actual ability. Gholston is a solid choice over of McFadden for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that it keeps him away from the Pats. I don't think he'll be there and they likely be choosing between Chris Long and McFadden. Like Gholston, Chris Long would be too small to play 3-4 DE but unlike Gholston he's not suited for 3-4 OLB. The only other option is to try to convert Ellis to 3-4 DE but I think that would be a mistake to do and pass up McFadden.

 

[Reaper]

McFadden is a risky player. He's thin, and he played in a gimmicky college offense. Three of the top four leading rushers last year went to TCU, Villanova and North Carolina. College pedigree is often overrated. It's nice to think "he put up great numbers playing against these tough opponents in college, so he'll be good in the NFL", but it doesn't work that way. It's a totally different game. Totally different. You can't stress enough how different the level of competition is in the SEC and the NFL. And if the SEC was so amazing, I'd have expected McFadden to not get outrushed by 200 yards in his team's bowl game. Ya know, against a non-SEC team.

Not a word about that simple stat that I provided in the broad jump??? Nearly a TWO FOOT difference in the broad jump between Washington and McFadden. Why do you think scouts have them do simple little things like that? Just to watch them jump? Again, a 2 foot difference in the key "explosion" statistic. Not a few inches. A couple feet. I know, irrelevant. he's just some skinny guy who lit up the SEC for a couple years in a gimmicky offense. Good stuff.

I know some people consider you somewhat of a football 'god' around here, so I'll let this go.

Out of ALL the crazy things you said in this thread

 

[twitch]

post of the thread . . .

Bush was receiving NO criticism 24 months ago, and now he has glaring deficiencies in his game . . .

the holes get smaller in the NFL, McFadden (just like Bush did) will find this out the hard way . . .

I hear this logic. And I discard it somewhat. After hearing this next set of statistics, you may understand. You may not agree. But you'll at least understand.

First of all, Reggie Bush never carried the ball more than 200 times in a season. He had exactly 200 carries his last year at SC, and caught 37 passes. So, his career high in touches was 237. Not including returns. He had 433 total carries in college. Against PAC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen exactly TWO players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Haloti Ngata was a 1st rounder out of Oregon in '06 and Sabi Piscatelli was a 2nd round pick out of Oregon State in '07. That's it. TWO guys.

Darren McFadden on the other hand carried the ball 284 times his SO. season and 325 times his JR. season. He had 785 total carries in college. 352 more than Bush. Needless to say, he's accustomed to carrying a workload moreso than Bush ever was. And against SEC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen THIRTEEN players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Here's the list:

Laron Landry-LSU

Jamaal Anderson-Ark

Patrick Willis-MISS

Justin Harrell-TN

Jarvis Moss-FL

Reggie Nelson-FL

Chris Houston-Ark

Turk McBride-TN

Jason Allen-TN

Jon Joseph-SC

DeMeco Ryans-AL

Roman Harper-AL

Tim Jennings-GA

I realize this represents only 2 years of NFL drafts, but these are the players that McFadden has competed against, not even including the prospects entering the NFL via the '08 draft. I dont even want to continue trying to break down the competition between these 2 conferences because that's not really my point. The point is, McFadden has seen a ton of action against studs. Bush, not so much. Im not feeling that comparison one bit.

 

[Reaper]

post of the thread . . .

Bush was receiving NO criticism 24 months ago, and now he has glaring deficiencies in his game . . .

the holes get smaller in the NFL, McFadden (just like Bush did) will find this out the hard way . . .

I hear this logic. And I discard it somewhat. After hearing this next set of statistics, you may understand. You may not agree. But you'll at least understand.

First of all, Reggie Bush never carried the ball more than 200 times in a season. He had exactly 200 carries his last year at SC, and caught 37 passes. So, his career high in touches was 237. Not including returns. He had 433 total carries in college. Against PAC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen exactly TWO players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Haloti Ngata was a 1st rounder out of Oregon in '06 and Sabi Piscatelli was a 2nd round pick out of Oregon State in '07. That's it. TWO guys.

Darren McFadden on the other hand carried the ball 284 times his SO. season and 325 times his JR. season. He had 785 total carries in college. 352 more than Bush. Needless to say, he's accustomed to carrying a workload moreso than Bush ever was. And against SEC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen THIRTEEN players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Here's the list:

Laron Landry-LSU

Jamaal Anderson-Ark

Patrick Willis-MISS

Justin Harrell-TN

Jarvis Moss-FL

Reggie Nelson-FL

Chris Houston-Ark

Turk McBride-TN

Jason Allen-TN

Jon Joseph-SC

DeMeco Ryans-AL

Roman Harper-AL

Tim Jennings-GA

I realize this represents only 2 years of NFL drafts, but these are the players that McFadden has competed against, not even including the prospects entering the NFL via the '08 draft. I dont even want to continue trying to break down the competition between these 2 conferences because that's not really my point. The point is, McFadden has seen a ton of action against studs. Bush, not so much. Im not feeling that comparison one bit.

Well, BMI, Off the field arguments and everything else aside - I agree with Parcells that RB's in todays game are disposable - are easily injured, only play for a limited amount of time relative to other positions and you can't spend too much of your cap on that position.....Then add that the Jets have a decent 1-2 punch for now that needs everything else around them to improve and that includes WR's, QB, OL and TE...... RB is my most confident spot on the whole offense right now.... I think Leon could be special.

I get the whole "weapon" thing but, I also feel that Mcfadden's game is speed - a few NFL hits or injuries that a guy like Curtis Martin might successfully play through could knock a "Mostly" speed guy down quite a bit....

Again, this is ALL relative, This guy is a tremendous Athlete no doubt..... And I won't booh this pick if it's to be - I'l be excited to see what they come up with on offense to get him the ball in space cuz THAT is his thing. But, I'd rather get a RB later in the draft in a trade down scenario and ALSO get him help at one of those other spots... I'd rather draft for Value and save the $$$$....

Me - I was 110% in the Mario Williams over Reggie Bush camp and didn't want him on the Jets back then when we actually needed a RB....

So, Much so that Super Mario as a Jet is Still my avatar..

 

[Armor & Sword]

post of the thread . . .

Bush was receiving NO criticism 24 months ago, and now he has glaring deficiencies in his game . . .

the holes get smaller in the NFL, McFadden (just like Bush did) will find this out the hard way . . .

I hear this logic. And I discard it somewhat. After hearing this next set of statistics, you may understand. You may not agree. But you'll at least understand.

First of all, Reggie Bush never carried the ball more than 200 times in a season. He had exactly 200 carries his last year at SC, and caught 37 passes. So, his career high in touches was 237. Not including returns. He had 433 total carries in college. Against PAC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen exactly TWO players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Haloti Ngata was a 1st rounder out of Oregon in '06 and Sabi Piscatelli was a 2nd round pick out of Oregon State in '07. That's it. TWO guys.

Darren McFadden on the other hand carried the ball 284 times his SO. season and 325 times his JR. season. He had 785 total carries in college. 352 more than Bush. Needless to say, he's accustomed to carrying a workload moreso than Bush ever was. And against SEC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen THIRTEEN players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Here's the list:

Laron Landry-LSU

Jamaal Anderson-Ark

Patrick Willis-MISS

Justin Harrell-TN

Jarvis Moss-FL

Reggie Nelson-FL

Chris Houston-Ark

Turk McBride-TN

Jason Allen-TN

Jon Joseph-SC

DeMeco Ryans-AL

Roman Harper-AL

Tim Jennings-GA

I realize this represents only 2 years of NFL drafts, but these are the players that McFadden has competed against, not even including the prospects entering the NFL via the '08 draft. I dont even want to continue trying to break down the competition between these 2 conferences because that's not really my point. The point is, McFadden has seen a ton of action against studs. Bush, not so much. Im not feeling that comparison one bit.

Bush was a beast in college. This will be his 3rd year and I think he still has upside and he has not been that bad.....but I am with you on McFadden. All you needed to do was watch this kid play and you can see how easy the game is to him. He is an NFL star type talent. He will not slip past the Radiers so Jets fans can still enjoy Thomas Jones (who BTW I think represents some great value this season if they do not get McFadden) and Leon pitching relief and returning kicks. Would the Jets take him if he is there?

Of course they will.

 

[duaneok66]

post of the thread . . .

Bush was receiving NO criticism 24 months ago, and now he has glaring deficiencies in his game . . .

the holes get smaller in the NFL, McFadden (just like Bush did) will find this out the hard way . . .

I hear this logic. And I discard it somewhat. After hearing this next set of statistics, you may understand. You may not agree. But you'll at least understand.

First of all, Reggie Bush never carried the ball more than 200 times in a season. He had exactly 200 carries his last year at SC, and caught 37 passes. So, his career high in touches was 237. Not including returns. He had 433 total carries in college. Against PAC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen exactly TWO players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Haloti Ngata was a 1st rounder out of Oregon in '06 and Sabi Piscatelli was a 2nd round pick out of Oregon State in '07. That's it. TWO guys.

Darren McFadden on the other hand carried the ball 284 times his SO. season and 325 times his JR. season. He had 785 total carries in college. 352 more than Bush. Needless to say, he's accustomed to carrying a workload moreso than Bush ever was. And against SEC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen THIRTEEN players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Here's the list:

Laron Landry-LSU

Jamaal Anderson-Ark

Patrick Willis-MISS

Justin Harrell-TN

Jarvis Moss-FL

Reggie Nelson-FL

Chris Houston-Ark

Turk McBride-TN

Jason Allen-TN

Jon Joseph-SC

DeMeco Ryans-AL

Roman Harper-AL

Tim Jennings-GA

I realize this represents only 2 years of NFL drafts, but these are the players that McFadden has competed against, not even including the prospects entering the NFL via the '08 draft. I dont even want to continue trying to break down the competition between these 2 conferences because that's not really my point. The point is, McFadden has seen a ton of action against studs. Bush, not so much. Im not feeling that comparison one bit.

good post, but college is still college . . . how many of these guys are stars in the NFL??it's still a big jump going from would be NFL players to established NFL stars . . .

 

[twitch]

post of the thread . . .

Bush was receiving NO criticism 24 months ago, and now he has glaring deficiencies in his game . . .

the holes get smaller in the NFL, McFadden (just like Bush did) will find this out the hard way . . .

I hear this logic. And I discard it somewhat. After hearing this next set of statistics, you may understand. You may not agree. But you'll at least understand.

First of all, Reggie Bush never carried the ball more than 200 times in a season. He had exactly 200 carries his last year at SC, and caught 37 passes. So, his career high in touches was 237. Not including returns. He had 433 total carries in college. Against PAC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen exactly TWO players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Haloti Ngata was a 1st rounder out of Oregon in '06 and Sabi Piscatelli was a 2nd round pick out of Oregon State in '07. That's it. TWO guys.

Darren McFadden on the other hand carried the ball 284 times his SO. season and 325 times his JR. season. He had 785 total carries in college. 352 more than Bush. Needless to say, he's accustomed to carrying a workload moreso than Bush ever was. And against SEC defenses. Defenses that in the past 2 years have seen THIRTEEN players drafted in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Here's the list:

Laron Landry-LSU

Jamaal Anderson-Ark

Patrick Willis-MISS

Justin Harrell-TN

Jarvis Moss-FL

Reggie Nelson-FL

Chris Houston-Ark

Turk McBride-TN

Jason Allen-TN

Jon Joseph-SC

DeMeco Ryans-AL

Roman Harper-AL

Tim Jennings-GA

I realize this represents only 2 years of NFL drafts, but these are the players that McFadden has competed against, not even including the prospects entering the NFL via the '08 draft. I dont even want to continue trying to break down the competition between these 2 conferences because that's not really my point. The point is, McFadden has seen a ton of action against studs. Bush, not so much. Im not feeling that comparison one bit.

good post, but college is still college . . . how many of these guys are stars in the NFL??it's still a big jump going from would be NFL players to established NFL stars . . .

Too early to tell with most of these guys, but I know that Willis, Landry and Ryans will probably be perennial Pro Bowlers for years. That's three hitting machines right there.