Whoever drafted this handcuff, has been reaping the benefits of the perfect senerio with injuries. WE ALL assummed it was Bush's job, if both healthy, coming into the season. Mcfadden blew up, and it looks likes this week, we could have them both back healthy. We spoke about this a million times, but now its go time.......I might sit both to see what happens, and hopefully one will emerge as the workhorse. What's the feeling now that it appears both might play this week?
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McFadden - Bush (1 Viewer)
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
If reports are that McFadden is essentially health going into the game, I'm starting him. In the other league I own Bush in, I might go a different route. I expect McFadden to get more of the carries going forward. However, I really think Gradkowski needs to get healthy or Campbell needs to have one of his unusually productive weeks for either to score well.
thatguythere
Footballguy
There are 60 million reasons for McFadden to be given the chance to succeed when healthy....especially after the way he played earlier in the season.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
If he really is healthy DMC will be given every chance to succeed this week especially after Bush's performance last weekend. I would say 60/40 split in favor of DMC. DMC will get the receptions and Bush the goal line carries.
It was good to see the Raiders don't want the committee approach. As long as one of them gets a majority there is value to be had here.
It was good to see the Raiders don't want the committee approach. As long as one of them gets a majority there is value to be had here.
We discussed this a ton in other threads, but you're incorrect. We all didn't assume it was Bush or McFadden's job, if both healthy. The coach didn't commit to one of them.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
And I also think both will be used.
From Rotoworld
arren McFadden intends to test his injured hamstring in Wednesday's practice "to see if I can burst."Said McFadden of his Week 6 inactivity, "It wasn't all the way ready, so there was no reason to risk it." In a fluid Oakland backfield, Michael Bush didn't separate himself after generating just 59 yards on 22 touches in Week 6. If healthy. McFadden seems likely to resume dominating the workload. The Raiders have hinted that they don't want a running back committee.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
With all the injuries these two have they would be stupid not to take a more committee style approach. There isnt a drop off going from one back to another. Heck you could even get creative like other coaches in the league and design some plays that use both maybe even some wildcat.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
when did the raiders hint at not wanting a committee
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I agree with you. I would have to think if they are saying they don't want a committee it is just not 50/50. I can't imagine they would take Bush completely out of the picture. That would be stupid with each of their injury problems. I would think most it would be is 60/40. Going any more then that seems like they are pushing it. But at 60/40 they can both have good value. They are averaging 30 carries a game. So DMC could get 15-20 and Bush 10-15. Bush has value because of those carries he should have some goal line carries. DMC will add in 3-4 receptions so he will have the yards. I would rather start DMC but the way my season is going I might end up using both some weekends.bushisdaman said:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Here's hoping/praying Bush gets traded today.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
There are quite a few other threads discussing this in length. I'm not telling you this to play board police, but if you truly want to educate yourself on the situation and get opinions from others, it's going to be a much better place to start instead of having everyone repeat what they've already said numerous times.
Go to the bottom and type in "McFadden"
ETA - Anyone who followed those other threads knows I've been in McFadden's corner as far as being 'the man'.
Go to the bottom and type in "McFadden"
ETA - Anyone who followed those other threads knows I've been in McFadden's corner as far as being 'the man'.
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Possum
Footballguy
skinsrule05 said:
I also believe McFadden will get the majority of the work going forward due to both his contract/draft position and production through the first part of the year. I think the 60/40 split is probably a good bet, and if he stays involved on the majority of passing downs as well, he'll still be great value for where most fantasy owners drafted him (redraft).
nysportsfan
Footballguy
You're probably wrong, FWIW.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I know for the most part this whole thread is people making educated guesses at what will happen. But this has to be the least effort I've seen to try and make a point.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I own Bush, but I am trying to be realistic here. Any McFadden owner that sees a 2-to-1 split in touches in favor or McFadden is kidding themselves. I think Oakland will use a heavy dose of both runners. And once Gradkowski comes back, I think both RBs could see decent RB2 production.
Bush was being eased back into game mode coming off his injury. Not sure that we can take anything away from that game. Really all we have is speculation until both are completely healthy.
I own Bush and I do see it as a 2 to 1 type split in Mcfaddens favor. When DMAC returns Bush returns to my bench. I've always believed Al wanted DMAC to seize the job because of his draft status and Al's love for speed. That and the fact the team has no outside WR threats that worry teams and I think they need what DMAC gives them more than what Bush provides.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
But don't forget that before Bush's knee injuries, he was a coveted player. I think Al thinks he got a steal with Bush in the 4th round. I know that McFadden is the more dynamic player. But don't bank on McFadden getting a lot more work. Oakland knows they have a dangerous weapon in McFadden and long as they don't let him beat up those skinny legs too much.
Besides the reason you just gave I can't think of another one let alone 60 million.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Have you visited the other, numerous threads discussing this situation? I guess I should have reiterated what I believe will happen: an RBBC; coaches using each player in a particular fashion to best utilize their specialized skill set. I don't believe DMC will render Bush useless, and I don't believe Bush will render DMC useless. The place keeps rehashing the same ideas in different threads, much as it did with the NEP RB situation. I think those expecting either back to dominate the touches while both healthy is mistaken. of course, I could be wrong, but IMO it would make sense to use both RBs.
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I'm not to sure about any of those two statements. A lot of people think Bush would have been a high draft pick but the reality is we have no idea. Mock drafts in August and real drafts the following spring can often see players spiral way out of were they were in August mocks. Even look at a guy like Lendale White. Lendale was not hurt, projected as a first round pick even seeing some tab him as high as #12 overall just a few DAYS before the draft. He ends up going second round. That's decent movement from what was expected for a healthy player who played his last year and worked out for NFL teams. Tons of other examples. Look at Jonathan Dwyer. People tabbed him as a high draft pick after he worked out for NFL teams and he falls to the 6th round. Bush had not even entered the working out for teams phase so the reality is we have no idea if he was healthy how much higher he would have been drafted.As for Al thinking he got a steal with Bush in the 4th round I think he might have. I think Bush is a good looking player just not as electric as DMAC. But keep in mind he spent a #4 overall pick on DMAC after he drafted Bush and I read the Raiders considered moving Bush to FB for a time.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I acknowledge the quote, but then I always felt that the starting RB spot would be waiting for DMC on his return. We'll have to see if DMC returns this week though. That is not as foregone a conclusion as most think.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
that quote is a clear Motivational Ploy
az_prof
Footballguy
It gets tiring having to repeat the same thing over and over in different threads. Here is the latest on this.Interesting bit on the running game for Oakland from Cable's press today after the SF game. This is reposted from Oakland Raider's thread where it may be lost.mcintyre1 said:
"Q: How come you couldn’t get running game untracked?
Cable: I think we were playing too high on the line of scrimmage. They are a very physical front 7 but we knew that. They didn’t do anything that surprised us or tricked us. Just a lack of pad level and finishing blocks.
Q: But it seemed you did some good things early with the run then it tailed off . . .
Cable: The thing about running the ball is consistency. If you start out decent, usually you get better and better from there. For us, it just seemed like we got higher and higher from there. And that’s really a negative. Running the ball for 2 or 3 yards in the first quarter becomes 3 or 4 yards in the second quarter and so on as the game goes. You’re just not able to maintain that.
Q: How much did it hurt not to have a change-of-pace back when things were going slow with Bush?
Cable: It would help to have the ability to do that this week with either Michael or Darren, or even both of them. So it won’t be an issue for us this week. More than anything, Michael is a proven runner and a very good one. You gotta give him enough seam to run it. He can use that big body to break tackles and get through to the secondary. I just think that the seams were there and they just shut down too quick. That’s a product of not finishing blocks."
I take the bolded bit to indicate that there is definitely going to be a committee, when both are healthy. I also take it to mean that he has a much higher opinion of Bush than many in here. He also likes McFadden. He likes em both and sees them with a different and complementary skill set. Sounds like a committee to me.
This thread really should be merged with the other 2 active McFadden threads, but until it does, here's my thoughts - assuming both guys stay healthy, which is a huge assumption, we're looking at a breakdown of carries between 60/40 and 40/60, with Bush skewing towards the short yardage, between the tackles runs and McFadden getting the outside stuff and the receptions. While this limits each of their ceilings, all else being equal, it should hopefully help to keep them healthy and fresh for the season, and increase the Raiders' overall backfield production. I think they each wind up as low-end RB2 material, with McFadden being more valuable in PPR.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Remember Napoleon Kaufman? He's a minister now..
Of the two, McFadden has the upside to take the Bradshaw role, getting more of the carries and receptions and yardage. McFadden has always produced when healthy, and this is actually his healthiest year so far (sad as that is). Bush will have the "upside" of getting the goal line carries on a team that won't have many goal line opps and be the healthier RB and the better back to get 20+ touches by default.
They're both worth rostering, but when both healthy, I'd rather start DMAC in any but TD heavy leagues.
They're both worth rostering, but when both healthy, I'd rather start DMAC in any but TD heavy leagues.
disagree 100%. Mcfadden will have a floor of 11-12 pts / week in PPR.Edit - 11-12 is a stretch. 8-10 is more realistic. still startable in most leagues though.
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Q: How much did it hurt not to have a change-of-pace back when things were going slow with Bush?
Cable: It would help to have the ability to do that this week with either Michael or Darren, or even both of them. So it won’t be an issue for us this week. More than anything, Michael is a proven runner and a very good one. You gotta give him enough seam to run it. He can use that big body to break tackles and get through to the secondary. I just think that the seams were there and they just shut down too quick. That’s a product of not finishing blocks."
I take the bolded bit to indicate that there is definitely going to be a committee, when both are healthy. I also take it to mean that he has a much higher opinion of Bush than many in here. He also likes McFadden. He likes em both and sees them with a different and complementary skill set. Sounds like a committee to me.
And you think that jibberish of an answer clarifies something?
Cable: It would help to have the ability to do that this week with either Michael or Darren, or even both of them. So it won’t be an issue for us this week. More than anything, Michael is a proven runner and a very good one. You gotta give him enough seam to run it. He can use that big body to break tackles and get through to the secondary. I just think that the seams were there and they just shut down too quick. That’s a product of not finishing blocks."
I take the bolded bit to indicate that there is definitely going to be a committee, when both are healthy. I also take it to mean that he has a much higher opinion of Bush than many in here. He also likes McFadden. He likes em both and sees them with a different and complementary skill set. Sounds like a committee to me.
And you think that jibberish of an answer clarifies something?
TeamDingo
Footballguy
Darren McFadden: I'm 70/30 to play at Denver
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39801193/ns/...ts-player_news/
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/39801193/ns/...ts-player_news/
Sounds like 1 more week possibly of Bush
Darren McFadden - RB - Raiders
Darren McFadden stated Friday that he believes he stands a 70 percent chance of playing in Sunday's game at Denver.
McFadden did admit the hamstring is still "a little tight," and practiced on a limited basis all week. With Kyle Boller apparently slated to start, the Raiders are likely to go extremely run heavy against the Broncos' No. 25 rush defense. Michael Bush will probably start,
Darren McFadden - RB - Raiders
Darren McFadden stated Friday that he believes he stands a 70 percent chance of playing in Sunday's game at Denver.
McFadden did admit the hamstring is still "a little tight," and practiced on a limited basis all week. With Kyle Boller apparently slated to start, the Raiders are likely to go extremely run heavy against the Broncos' No. 25 rush defense. Michael Bush will probably start,
Judge Smails
Footballguy
With Foster and LT on a bye - let's just say I need Mr. Bush to get as many snaps as possible
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I have cassell in at qb this week -- schaub is on a bye.
az_prof
Footballguy
Yes.It says that both backs will be used. He sees them as complementary. He clearly likes Bush's strength a lot more than most in here and doesn't think that Bush sucks because of last week--rather, the problem was blocking. But he also values the speed and receiving of McFadden. I don't think it is that confusing at all.
bbuster
Footballguy
While I agree that Campbell sucks, it didn't affect DMac when Campbell started the first couple of games. In my league DMac still managed 24 and 20pts.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
McFadden owners should hope for a RBBC. Bush has a better chance of being the main back than McFadden does.
"The Waterboy"
Footballguy
"Bush has a better chance to be the main back"...why, cuz DMC's injury history?
