Babu Bhatt2
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Because Bush is better, and Cable knows it."The Waterboy said:
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McFadden - Bush (1 Viewer)
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thatguythere
Footballguy
ha ha
Garts
Footballguy
He would look a lot better if he was not on my bench
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Good sign that DMC fumbles and they go back to him the next snap.
Saint
Footballguy
Tell me about it... I wasn't sure how many touches he was going to get... so I played Moreno instead....
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
Sell high on McFadden.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Why? Should you sell high on any player after they have a big game? Do you really think somebody is going to give you anywhere near the rate he's produced in every single game he's been healthy for? Hell, if you can find a skeptical owner, I'd STILL try to buy this kid. He looks incredible.
Scroll up and look at his comments. Do the opposite of everything he says.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
You're right. I'm just hoping he would at least PRETEND to back up his asinine comments with some kind of flawed logic.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Besides DMC outplaying Bush in every facit of the game yesterday it was real good to see the carry distribution. This was DMC's first game back from injury and in the first half it was all DMC. When it was still considered a game in the first half DMC had 12 touches to Bush's 6. I didn't expect it to be that lopsided but it is a real good thing for ff.
I still think it would be a 60/40 split for the two but Bush will be getting his carries in mop up time. So if they aren't up or down big the split will favor DMC even more.
I still think it would be a 60/40 split for the two but Bush will be getting his carries in mop up time. So if they aren't up or down big the split will favor DMC even more.
road warrior
Footballguy
Thank you, DMC... you personally won me my game.
Phlash
Footballguy
He's racking up some unbelievable fantasy numbers this season. He's putting fantastic moves on defenders consistently. He's hitting the hole hard. He's catching a TON of passes. How he can be in the same sentence as "sell" is mind boggling. I'll just be riding him into the playoffs thank you very much.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Babu Bhatt2 said:
TheCommish
Footballguy
Benched McFadden for Bush at the last minute yesterday, but it didn't end up costing me. Sure would have liked to have those points in my starting line-up, though. Damn.
You cannot sell high on McFadden. You can't assume an injury, no matter what a player's history tells you, and Oakland's fantasy playoff schedule is tasty:
Week 14 @ Jacksonville (ranked #25 in run defense)
Week 15 v. Denver (ranked #30 in run defense)
Week 16 v. Indianapolis (ranked #26 in run defense)
You cannot sell high on McFadden. You can't assume an injury, no matter what a player's history tells you, and Oakland's fantasy playoff schedule is tasty:
Week 14 @ Jacksonville (ranked #25 in run defense)
Week 15 v. Denver (ranked #30 in run defense)
Week 16 v. Indianapolis (ranked #26 in run defense)
Clutchfanatic
Footballguy
Who in their right effin' mind would sell DMC?? Get Bush as a backup and hold on to'em. Same with Foster "Sell high.....sell high!!!!".
Morons.
Morons.
Clifford
Footballguy
1. Groupthink. Forums adopt herd mentalities where one's individual notion pales im comparison to what seems to be the accord of thousands2. McFadden was a tough case. Two solid years of injury and poor production made it easy to pass him up in drafts. However, after the first game I actually felt I had finally been proven right. I drafted him high in dynasty, and even though my enthusiasm for his prospects had dwindled to hope for a decent COP/RB3, when I saw what he was doing this year it was what I had expected all along since Arkansas. Which is why he was available as a buy low. I tried to get him in my last league but the owner wisely wanted to wait and see. Now the only guy I could offer for him is Gore and after yesterday that would likely be rejected.This topic, along with several others, makes me wonder: "Why does the FFB community, as a whole, seem to not know very much?" We just never seem to see this kind of stuff coming, and when it does, too many of us dismiss it as a flukey.
I think McFadden is the RB1, maybe as low as RB3, for the rest of the way IF he can stay healthy. His production has finally caught up with his talent.
road warrior
Footballguy
Babu Bhatt2 said:
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I will join the club of crow eating skeptics of DMC. This dude is a stud.
I NOW present to you Darren McFadden. In his third year, he hasn't even begun to hit his physical prime. He is a freak of nature. He couldn't stay healthy early on, as his body wasn't prepared to handle the beating a back has to handle on this level. He also seemed to struggle with trying to figure out how to use his natural gifts of speed and power, knowing when to turn on the speed or run you over. This resulted in shoe string tackles and failure to deliver the blow. He possesses the elite talent at his position that less than a handfull of running backs can claim.
Don't look now but DMAC is just now getting "it" as his body begins to harden into NFL maturity. DMAC is that rare athlete that old man Al Davis covets. Can you imagine if they finally give him a quality line in front, as he continues to grow into and develop? Because at his tender age of 23, he still hasn't reached his ceiling.
I NOW present to you Darren McFadden. In his third year, he hasn't even begun to hit his physical prime. He is a freak of nature. He couldn't stay healthy early on, as his body wasn't prepared to handle the beating a back has to handle on this level. He also seemed to struggle with trying to figure out how to use his natural gifts of speed and power, knowing when to turn on the speed or run you over. This resulted in shoe string tackles and failure to deliver the blow. He possesses the elite talent at his position that less than a handfull of running backs can claim.
Don't look now but DMAC is just now getting "it" as his body begins to harden into NFL maturity. DMAC is that rare athlete that old man Al Davis covets. Can you imagine if they finally give him a quality line in front, as he continues to grow into and develop? Because at his tender age of 23, he still hasn't reached his ceiling.
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Anyone know the contract situations of these two?
ETA: Nevermind. Bush FA in 2011. McFadden signed thru 2013.
ETA: Nevermind. Bush FA in 2011. McFadden signed thru 2013.
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Cost me my game on my bench this week. All reports including his own, said the hamstring was still stiff. At least we have a clear cut stud going forward. Why did they keep him in, in a blowout?? That made me question Cable. Let's hope he stays healthy so we can reap the benefits of a soft playoff schedule.........RUN DMC!!!!!
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I didn't get to see most of the 2nd half, but it seemed like they pretty much sat him after his long TD run. 16 carries and a couple of catches isn't really a heavy workload, so I'm not really sure I'd consider it "keeping him in" so to speak.
I did the same and swapped him out for Bush. May have worked out fine, but I still don't like points sitting on my bench as playoffs are often determined by total points when tie records come into play. I do feel good about what we learned...if McFadden dresses, he plays...and a lot.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
dammit. i drafted this guy really high the last 2 years and gave up on him in this one.
faulkfan
Footballguy
I think it is important to remember that there are a lot of factors involved in sports. A coach can dislike a guy because he pissed him off or didn't fit his system. That same player goes somewhere else or a new coach comes in and the player excels.People knew Mcfadden had some talent, but injuries can't be predicted and when they keep happening to the same dude it makes you skeptical that he will be able to stay healthy. I think Donald Brown is a great example of that. A lot of folks I have heard have written him off because he just can't seem to stay healthy and hasn't done much when he did play. Let's also not forget that the Raiders as a whole seem to be playing better, which changes the game entirely for each position.This topic, along with several others, makes me wonder: "Why does the FFB community, as a whole, seem to not know very much?" We just never seem to see this kind of stuff coming, and when it does, too many of us dismiss it as a flukey.
I've been in fantasy football for 20 years and drafted Leaf instead of Manning their rookie years (that still hurts to write). This year I took McFadden in the 2nd round of a 10 player, 12 team keeper league because I figured, "what the heck." It is paying off, but not because I "knew" something or because I am a genius. If Bush would have been sitting there I would have taken him instead.
Luck is the magic element in fantasy sports and while your preparation helps as well, you aren't on that field and don't get to make the calls on the sidelines you can only watch. Man I love it!
It's an interesting question. I think there's a danger in getting caught up in the group think mentality of message boards, even superior ones like the Shark Pool. Perception is everything, and it's very easy for your mind to go on auto pilot with certain things, i.e. McFadden is a bust. But it's important to take a step back and try to look at things objectively. McFadden was still only 23 when the season started (younger than Ryan Mathews), the team had gotten rid of their deadbeat QB and wanted to find a RB who they could feed the ball to. There was a lot to like at his ADP. I love trying to target the post-hype guys because so many owners have written them off.This topic, along with several others, makes me wonder: "Why does the FFB community, as a whole, seem to not know very much?" We just never seem to see this kind of stuff coming, and when it does, too many of us dismiss it as a flukey.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
The Bush-McFadden story isn't finished yet. McFadden had huge gaping holes against the Broncos, and that won't occur most weeks. He will get injured or prove ineffective when given more time.Look at my predictions in the Jamaal Charles threads. They too were ridiculed, and they were spot on.Babu Bhatt2 said:
Gaping holes or not, the stats don't lie:McFadden: 16 carries, 165 yardsBush: 15 carries, 52 yardsOne of these things is not like the other.The Bush-McFadden story isn't finished yet. McFadden had huge gaping holes against the Broncos, and that won't occur most weeks. He will get injured or prove ineffective when given more time.Look at my predictions in the Jamaal Charles threads. They too were ridiculed, and they were spot on.Babu Bhatt2 said:
Vicktimized
Footballguy
But your predictions, thus far, on McFadden have proven to be anything but. He missed a game, but midway through the FF season he's a top tier rusher. You were advocating getting basically whatever you could get for him last month IIRC.Edit to add: You nailed how Haley wants to use Charles/Jones, but this seems to be the opposite situation. Right or wrong (long term) he's got a coach who's stated he wants a feature back and has more or less stuck to that.The Bush-McFadden story isn't finished yet. McFadden had huge gaping holes against the Broncos, and that won't occur most weeks. He will get injured or prove ineffective when given more time.Look at my predictions in the Jamaal Charles threads. They too were ridiculed, and they were spot on.Babu Bhatt2 said:
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road warrior
Footballguy
To be fair, Haley nailed how he was going to use Charles/Jones. He said it before the season how it was going down. As for DMC, the yards and points speak for themselves. I'll keep playing him.... others feel free to play Bush.But your predictions, thus far, on McFadden have proven to be anything but. He missed a game, but midway through the FF season he's a top tier rusher. You were advocating getting basically whatever you could get for him last month IIRC.Edit to add: You nailed how Haley wants to use Charles/Jones, but this seems to be the opposite situation. Right or wrong (long term) he's got a coach who's stated he wants a feature back and has more or less stuck to that.The Bush-McFadden story isn't finished yet. McFadden had huge gaping holes against the Broncos, and that won't occur most weeks. He will get injured or prove ineffective when given more time.Look at my predictions in the Jamaal Charles threads. They too were ridiculed, and they were spot on.Babu Bhatt2 said:
I was wondering that too, but the work load was relatively light. He just kept scoring. The real question is (for another thread) is what the Broncos were doing keeping Knowshon and his tender hammies in till the very end. It's almost as if McDaniel has Knowson on his fantasy team.
wait, did you predict jamaal charles would outperform his adp?The Bush-McFadden story isn't finished yet. McFadden had huge gaping holes against the Broncos, and that won't occur most weeks. He will get injured or prove ineffective when given more time.Look at my predictions in the Jamaal Charles threads. They too were ridiculed, and they were spot on.Babu Bhatt2 said:
Buzzbait
Footballguy
Ditto that our #1 tiebreaker is total points. I sat him and it looks like I'll still win but that was a lot of points to leave on the bench.
He plays from here on out! 
Dizzy
Footballguy
Kudos to those that possessed the major attachments required to play McFadden yesterday. I did not, managed to win anyway, but it sure would of been nice to set the high score of the season. Personally I think the OAK staff were very coy regarding his injury... probably giggled all the way to that juicy match-up against Denver's run DEF.
To those that say "sell high"... probably the same annual cellar dwellers that regularly dump guys like; Miles Austin '09, Chris Johnson '08, MJD when he broke out, and the '99 Rams.
Those same guys are probably looking to dump Dwayne Bowe this week as well (while the guys that dealt him last week are already moaning).
To those that say "sell high"... probably the same annual cellar dwellers that regularly dump guys like; Miles Austin '09, Chris Johnson '08, MJD when he broke out, and the '99 Rams.
Those same guys are probably looking to dump Dwayne Bowe this week as well (while the guys that dealt him last week are already moaning).
California
Footballguy
Just some notes from the game log.
McFadden was the starter.
He had 3 rushes (1 for TD) and 1 reception before Bush had a carry.
Bush's first carry came after McFadden's 40 yard run. Bush actually had 3 straight carries before McFadden came back in on the next drive (breather?).
During this next drive McFadden had 3 carries, then another 9 yard td run that was nullified by a holding penalty. 3 plays later he scores a 19 yard td reception.
Above was all in the first quarter.
First drive of 2nd Q, Bush and McFadden have 1 carry each, then punt.
Denver fumbles on their 14. McFadden rushes 4 straight times ending in TD #3 for the day. (This is his 2nd goal line TD of the day).
Bush has 2 carries on their next possession.
Bush has 3 more carries on the possession after that. Halftime.
During their first possession of the 3rd quarter, McFadden rushes 5 times (including 3 straight at one point) during a 10 play drive that culminates with a 1 yard td run by Reece (vulture!).
On their following drive, McFadden busts a 57 yard TD on the first play. His 4th TD of the day. This is the last snap he plays, with 5:39 left in the 3rd Q.
So McFadden is out and on their next possession it's all Bush. He gets 6 carries on this drive which includes his 1 yard TD plunge. 31 seconds left in the 3rd Q. This is the last we see of Bush.
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McFadden played 40 out of 60 minutes. 18 touches, 197 total yards, 4 td.
Bush played 45 out of 60 minutes. 16 touches, 65 yards, 1 td. Out of these 16 touches, 3 came after McFadden's 40 yard run. 6 touches after McFadden was pulled out of the game.
For people who think Bush is the goal line back, Oakland had the ball inside the Denver 5 yard line 4 times. 2 td's for McFadden, 1 for Reece (during 10 play drive where McFadden rushed 5 times, and 2 plays after 16yd run), 1 for Bush (after McFadden left the game).
In my non-PPR league, McFadden is the 4th ranked RB. He's 8 points behind #1 Arian Foster. 2 points behind Chris Johnson and ADP. And he's missed 2 and half games due to injury and sat out an entire quarter.
McFadden was the starter.
He had 3 rushes (1 for TD) and 1 reception before Bush had a carry.
Bush's first carry came after McFadden's 40 yard run. Bush actually had 3 straight carries before McFadden came back in on the next drive (breather?).
During this next drive McFadden had 3 carries, then another 9 yard td run that was nullified by a holding penalty. 3 plays later he scores a 19 yard td reception.
Above was all in the first quarter.
First drive of 2nd Q, Bush and McFadden have 1 carry each, then punt.
Denver fumbles on their 14. McFadden rushes 4 straight times ending in TD #3 for the day. (This is his 2nd goal line TD of the day).
Bush has 2 carries on their next possession.
Bush has 3 more carries on the possession after that. Halftime.
During their first possession of the 3rd quarter, McFadden rushes 5 times (including 3 straight at one point) during a 10 play drive that culminates with a 1 yard td run by Reece (vulture!).
On their following drive, McFadden busts a 57 yard TD on the first play. His 4th TD of the day. This is the last snap he plays, with 5:39 left in the 3rd Q.
So McFadden is out and on their next possession it's all Bush. He gets 6 carries on this drive which includes his 1 yard TD plunge. 31 seconds left in the 3rd Q. This is the last we see of Bush.
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McFadden played 40 out of 60 minutes. 18 touches, 197 total yards, 4 td.
Bush played 45 out of 60 minutes. 16 touches, 65 yards, 1 td. Out of these 16 touches, 3 came after McFadden's 40 yard run. 6 touches after McFadden was pulled out of the game.
For people who think Bush is the goal line back, Oakland had the ball inside the Denver 5 yard line 4 times. 2 td's for McFadden, 1 for Reece (during 10 play drive where McFadden rushed 5 times, and 2 plays after 16yd run), 1 for Bush (after McFadden left the game).
In my non-PPR league, McFadden is the 4th ranked RB. He's 8 points behind #1 Arian Foster. 2 points behind Chris Johnson and ADP. And he's missed 2 and half games due to injury and sat out an entire quarter.
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You poor tortured soul ... I am so sorry you don't have DMC on your team but how would you or anybody esle know it would turn out like this. I think I speak for most if not all DMC owners ... we stepped in ####!The Bush-McFadden story isn't finished yet. McFadden had huge gaping holes against the Broncos, and that won't occur most weeks. He will get injured or prove ineffective when given more time.Look at my predictions in the Jamaal Charles threads. They too were ridiculed, and they were spot on.
