McFadden in "Rowdy Scene" at Bar (1 Viewer)

[money.never.sleeps]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Personally, I don't find this a big issue but I am a little bit concerned about the desicion making process esp. since something similar has happened before. Being 25 and familiar with the night life scene I understand that people in this age demographic are going to want to go chill out and booze or whatever... But the downside of that is there's always going to be drunk asses out wanting to act a fool, esp. toward you when you're a big time NFL prospect. Run DMC just has to realize that he isnt going to treated "normally" while being in those types of enviroments. From what I know of McFadden he seems to have good character but again I only know what I see and read. With all that being said the fact is he didn't get arrested and the matter is apparently over.

 

[brewer]

OMG, a 21 year old at a bar where a fight broke out!!!! Hold the presses!!!

I agree that he has to be careful where he goes, who he hangs out with and such, but I don't think this is any kind of negative for him. If he's starting fights that's one thing, but just being near one doesn't make it a character issue, even if he was involved to some degree. But he also has to think of things like the Darrent Williams shooting. Even if you're not the one in the fight, you cold end up being the dead one.

He was born born August 27, 1987, which will make him 21 this coming August. what's worse, he took his younger brother to the bar as well.

That is terrible! College kids under 21 in a bar! What is this country coming to!

Dude is one day older than me and has been in one fewer bar fight. By today's standards, he's doing better than average. The bar scene is a lot different what you geezers were used to. Much much more irresponsibility and belligerence.

You know this....how?Listen, I avoid fights if at all possible. And I don't have a million dollar contract on the line.

Well you're not a 20yo are you? I'd expect at least the majority here have been in a fight or two under the influence.

I think you are wrong but I am talking about a fight where blood is drawn or someone goes down. I for one have never been in a bar fight and when I was in my 20's I was in the bars 4 nights a week. What I did notice is that the same people got in fights over and over. I could also pick out problem people and I avoided them.

I'm in my mid 30s, single and have been going to bars multiple nights a week for about 15 years. I've worked in bars as a DJ and as a bouncer. Nice bars, seedy bars and ones inbetween.... and have never been in a bar fight. It's amazing what a little rational thinking can do.I'm not condemning McFadden over this incident, but to say that fights are unavoidable is simply incorrect.

 

[vacaver1]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

 

[3nOut]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

 

[vacaver1]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

 

[massraider]

They CAN arrest you, being underage, but they don't always. They also can cite and fine the bar, but they don't always. If a place has a bad rep, they can lose their license, but I have a feeling this piano bar wasn't holding high school Beer Pong tournaments.

A club I ran in Boston, the cops would bust kids for fake ID's, but wouldn't arrest them, they'd alert the school. Grounds for expulsion, I believe.

A lot of times, the cops just want everyone to settle down and go home. Less paperwork. A lot depends on the establishment's relationship with the local police. Some places play the game, and the cops will take it easy.

I agree that a little yelling at a piano bar isn't the end of the world, but this has to be considered in context. This is the Roger Goodell NFL, character is huge. HUGE. And a guy that is supposed to go top 5 and has two incidents at a bar before the age of 21, well, that is kind of a big deal.

 

[Phurfur]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

I guess allot of people have not been to a "Dueling Pianos" Piano Bar.

 

[massraider]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

I guess allot of people have not been to a "Dueling Pianos" Piano Bar.

Drunken college kids going bonkers. Any Boston peeps remember Jake Ivory's?

 

[vacaver1]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

I guess allot of people have not been to a "Dueling Pianos" Piano Bar.

Drunken college kids going bonkers. Any Boston peeps remember Jake Ivory's?

I didn't realize it was one of the "Dueling Piano" ones. Either way, nope, never been, but my "Girl from Ipanema" was an attempt at humor....Next time, though, it helps me if you educate instead of leaving me hanging with a "I guess allot...." Not a snide comment, just a suggestion.

 

[massraider]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

I guess allot of people have not been to a "Dueling Pianos" Piano Bar.

Drunken college kids going bonkers. Any Boston peeps remember Jake Ivory's?

I didn't realize it was one of the "Dueling Piano" ones. Either way, nope, never been, but my "Girl from Ipanema" was an attempt at humor....Next time, though, it helps me if you educate instead of leaving me hanging with a "I guess allot...." Not a snide comment, just a suggestion.

Wasn't me that said it, but no matter, I don't think anyone has confirmed that it IS a bar like that, but Phurfur was just pointing out that 'piano bar' can mean more than one thing.Heck, you're in Alaska, we expect to have to edumacate you a bit.

 

[Phurfur]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

I guess allot of people have not been to a "Dueling Pianos" Piano Bar.

Drunken college kids going bonkers. Any Boston peeps remember Jake Ivory's?

I didn't realize it was one of the "Dueling Piano" ones. Either way, nope, never been, but my "Girl from Ipanema" was an attempt at humor....Next time, though, it helps me if you educate instead of leaving me hanging with a "I guess allot...." Not a snide comment, just a suggestion.

Wasn't me that said it, but no matter, I don't think anyone has confirmed that it IS a bar like that, but Phurfur was just pointing out that 'piano bar' can mean more than one thing.Heck, you're in Alaska, we expect to have to edumacate you a bit.

Thanks, that is exactly what i was saying.

 

[vacaver1]

I don't know anything about this piano bar, but since the po-po had him in cuffs and didn't arrest him for being there as a minor, I'm only assuming that the venue is not restricted by age and therefore, we can drop the talk of his poor judgment for being at a "bar." Again, this is only an assumption until someone verifies the nature of the establishment.

Arkansas state law does not allow a private club to admit anyone under 21 if the business does not serve food or if it allows smoking. This place doesn't serve food and does allow smoking.

Well, there you go then; however, I still am not certain this is as big of a deal here. Yes, in light of players recently putting themselves in locales that have proved detrimental (through fighting and/or death) to their careers, McFadden needs to be a little choosier about what he does and where he goes; however, being at a piano bar is not an egregious offense, even at 20, particularly since the police do not think so.

Do police arrest minors if they are found at bars? I think the bar itself would be fined or lose their license, not the customer. Not sure though.

Here in Nome, Alaska, as with all places, I would think, that is the way it works. The bigger point, though, is that McFadden would have been arrested if the police determined he had been consuming. Since he wasn't arrested, either they didn't question/breathalyse him or he obviously had not consumed. I would think they would have tested him if they suspected he were consuming, especially due to his erratic behavior. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, only that he may have kept his nose clean while jamming to the groovy sound of some tickling ivories and "The Girl from Ipanema."

I guess allot of people have not been to a "Dueling Pianos" Piano Bar.

Drunken college kids going bonkers. Any Boston peeps remember Jake Ivory's?

I didn't realize it was one of the "Dueling Piano" ones. Either way, nope, never been, but my "Girl from Ipanema" was an attempt at humor....Next time, though, it helps me if you educate instead of leaving me hanging with a "I guess allot...." Not a snide comment, just a suggestion.

Wasn't me that said it, but no matter, I don't think anyone has confirmed that it IS a bar like that, but Phurfur was just pointing out that 'piano bar' can mean more than one thing.Heck, you're in Alaska, we expect to have to edumacate you a bit.

Thanks, that is exactly what i was saying.

Gotcha. We Alaskans get brain freeze up here in this -7 daytime high. And there sure aren't any piano bars up here in Nome. (But you can karaoke "Girl from Ipanema" during the Iditarod at a couple of the bars. Hell, we're a little behind, so that's just now making Top 40 radio here.)