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McFadden will not run at combine (1 Viewer)

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According to Tim MacMahon, of The Dallas Morning News, reports University of Arkansas RB Darren McFadden said Thursday, Feb. 14, that he will not run at the NFL Scouting Combine and has not decided if he will participate in any physical activities.

Will this hurt him? I just don't get why you would not want to show the world your skill.

 
He has nothing to gain by running.
This has always been the prevailing opinion, but I tend to disagree. If he is really that fast, it would actually help him running against other backs that will be in the draft, especially under the exact same conditions. I think it also shows a degree of competitiveness to get out there and show people what you can do. I suppose, however, if I had millions riding on it and my agent told me not to run...I would listen. I just think it impresses coaches/GMs to see an elite prospect go out there at the combine...
 
He has nothing to gain by running.
This has always been the prevailing opinion, but I tend to disagree. If he is really that fast, it would actually help him running against other backs that will be in the draft, especially under the exact same conditions. I think it also shows a degree of competitiveness to get out there and show people what you can do. I suppose, however, if I had millions riding on it and my agent told me not to run...I would listen. I just think it impresses coaches/GMs to see an elite prospect go out there at the combine...
I think the better statement would be that he has very little to gain by running and a lot to lose if he does poorly.
 
He'll run at his Pro Day. Reggie did the same thing and it was not a problem. I doubt it helps or hurts him. I think these decisions are almost always dictated by agents who really get in the way. We complain, simply, because we want to see the measureables, and we're impatient.

 
Calvin probably didn't earn himself more money as the Lions more than likely were already locked into him. I imagine however that every other team and there mother were inquiring about trading up to that pick after what he did at the combine. There has to be some value for competitive nature

 
He has nothing to gain by running.
This has always been the prevailing opinion, but I tend to disagree. If he is really that fast, it would actually help him running against other backs that will be in the draft, especially under the exact same conditions. I think it also shows a degree of competitiveness to get out there and show people what you can do. I suppose, however, if I had millions riding on it and my agent told me not to run...I would listen. I just think it impresses coaches/GMs to see an elite prospect go out there at the combine...
I remember ALL DAY Peterson participating in last year's combine......eliminating any doubts that he was an elite prospect. IIRC, there were tons of questions about how good of a receiver he was and how fast he really was. And he went out and answered the critics, very convincingly. To me, if you are a competitor and truly an elite athlete, you're not concerned about failing in this environment. Not a good sign to me that D-Mac is going into hiding at this point. Especially with the Mayock downgrade just released. What's he afraid of? If I was a GM, that's what I'd be wondering.......
 
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He'll run at his Pro Day. Reggie did the same thing and it was not a problem. I doubt it helps or hurts him. I think these decisions are almost always dictated by agents who really get in the way. We complain, simply, because we want to see the measureables, and we're impatient.
So are the guys that won't run with everyone else over hyped and they know it? It is allot different competing against others in an environment you can't control and running on your own in an environment you do control. I'm just saying this and don't think it will hurt him if he doesn't run.
 
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Adrian Peterson ran and it was the day after his brother was killed.I'm just sayin'.
You have a serious mancrush for that guy, Andy. I'm not saying as a Vikes fan or a football fan it isn't warranted but still...
Yes, but this doesn't have much to do with it.The point is that a LOT of people are comparing him to AP, saying he might be better even. Well if he doesn't have the competitive spirit to run at the combine like AP did, I think that comparison has to be called into question.
 
I think Stewart and Kelly are going to be the talk of the draft after the combine. Mendenhall will also be in beast mode, but he doesn't have the potential to blaze as fast of a 40 as Stewart.

 
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Adrian Peterson ran and it was the day after his brother was killed.I'm just sayin'.
You have a serious mancrush for that guy, Andy. I'm not saying as a Vikes fan or a football fan it isn't warranted but still...
Yes, but this doesn't have much to do with it.The point is that a LOT of people are comparing him to AP, saying he might be better even. Well if he doesn't have the competitive spirit to run at the combine like AP did, I think that comparison has to be called into question.
I may be mistaken but wasn't Adrian Peterson planning NOT to run before his brother passed away? I thought I remembered something about that anyway.
 
Phurfur said:
Chaos Commish said:
He'll run at his Pro Day. Reggie did the same thing and it was not a problem. I doubt it helps or hurts him. I think these decisions are almost always dictated by agents who really get in the way. We complain, simply, because we want to see the measureables, and we're impatient.
So are the guys that won't run with everyone else over hyped and they know it? It is allot different competing against others in an environment you can't control and running on your own in an environment you do control. I'm just saying this and don't think it will hurt him if he doesn't run.
It has nothing to do with what they do or don't know about their own hype. They're just listening to agents, who are hired to get them the most money possible. You do know that Mendenhall and Stewart are both freaks, right? Stew is the defending PAC 10 60 yard dash champ, and Rashard has the guns of Thomas Jones with the thighs of Jamaal Lewis. They are both going to have stunning combines. McFadden is also a freak and a better natural athlete than either of them, but his advantages are not necessarily measureable. He has better hand eye coordination, vision, instincts, field speed, etc. None of that is measured at the combine. Why go look equal to or lesser than the comic book characters when your current status is elite? It's just a business decision. Probably a smart one the more I think about it.
 
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Phurfur said:
Chaos Commish said:
He'll run at his Pro Day. Reggie did the same thing and it was not a problem. I doubt it helps or hurts him. I think these decisions are almost always dictated by agents who really get in the way. We complain, simply, because we want to see the measureables, and we're impatient.
So are the guys that won't run with everyone else over hyped and they know it? It is allot different competing against others in an environment you can't control and running on your own in an environment you do control. I'm just saying this and don't think it will hurt him if he doesn't run.
It has nothing to do with what they do or don't know about their own hype. They're just listening to agents, who are hired to get them the most money possible. You do know that Mendenhall and Stewart are both freaks, right? Stew is the defending PAC 10 60 yard dash champ, and Rashard has the guns of Thomas Jones with the thighs of Jamaal Lewis. They are both going to have stunning combines. McFadden is also a freak and a better natural athlete than either of them, but his advantages are not necessarily measureable. He has better hand eye coordination, vision, instincts, field speed, etc. None of that is measured at the combine. Why go look equal to or lesser than the comic book characters when your current status is elite? It's just a business decision. Probably a smart one the more I think about it.
he'll kill those guys in the Wonderlic tests, I'm sure.
 
I wish they would ask these guys before they invite them there. I'm there is an athlete that would take his spot in a minute. He can interview on another time. Since that will be all he goes for. I have the #1 pick in one of my dynasties and I really dont like this. There is something to be said about this type of person.

 
Maybe he pulls a CJ and runs in someone elses shoes.
Bad info here. CJ actually lent his shoes out to somebody, they just returned them and the cameras caught him receiving them back and made the assumption he borrowed shoes and ran in them."THE MYTH OF THE SHOES Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson cleared up the myth about the shoes he used to run the 40-yard dash in sprinter styled 4.35 seconds at the NFL scouting combine this month. Johnson had not planned to run, but at the last minute he changed his mind. He got some shoes from East Carolina quarterback James Pinkney. NFL types were impressed, and Buffalo Bills coach **** Jauron told reporters about Johnson running in borrowed shoes. Actually, the shoes were Johnson's and he'd let Pinkney use them. "I guess everybody saw me getting them back and thought I was borrowing them," Johnson said."
 
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He has nothing to gain by running.
This has always been the prevailing opinion, but I tend to disagree. If he is really that fast, it would actually help him running against other backs that will be in the draft, especially under the exact same conditions. I think it also shows a degree of competitiveness to get out there and show people what you can do. I suppose, however, if I had millions riding on it and my agent told me not to run...I would listen. I just think it impresses coaches/GMs to see an elite prospect go out there at the combine...
I remember ALL DAY Peterson participating in last year's combine......eliminating any doubts that he was an elite prospect. IIRC, there were tons of questions about how good of a receiver he was and how fast he really was. And he went out and answered the critics, very convincingly. To me, if you are a competitor and truly an elite athlete, you're not concerned about failing in this environment. Not a good sign to me that D-Mac is going into hiding at this point. Especially with the Mayock downgrade just released. What's he afraid of? If I was a GM, that's what I'd be wondering.......
:popcorn:
 
With both being from Arkansas I wonder if Felix Jones follows suit and does not run at the combine. If Jones runs at the combine and again at the Arkansas pro day, one could guess what Mcfadden might have run at the combine based on Jones times in comparison. For example:

Jones: 4.45 combine 4.40 pro day

McFadden 4.45 pro day 4.50 estimated combine time.

It may not be fair to compare that way, but some may be tempted to do it.

 
You seem to be very knowledgeable.Who do you think will be the best RB this year, out of the 2008 rook class?
I am not as up on college players as I would like to be. However, I like McFadden a lot. In my opinion there was a reason that McFadden ran three times as often as Felix Jones, he was just better and stronger. I think that McFadden has the capability to be a full-time productive back in the NFL, running, blocking, and catching. The passing was effective on the college level, but will be dropped. Similar to Matt Jones, who as a rookie it was said they would have QB packages and such. Never happened.I think that Felix Jones is more of a "lightning in a bottle" third down back and kick returner. I could be surprised, but I see the Reggie Bush version with many fewer targets for Felix Jones.
 
Never a fan of the prospects that do this, always appears as though they may have something to hide...but whatever floats his boat...if he wants to listen to his agent, so be it...

I do think Mendenhall and Stewart have the potential to make some GM's think long and hard about taking McFadden early...this could backfire, and I think it will...

 
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:pickle: Stewart is the best back in this class
I remember people telling me that Lynch was Better than Peterson too... don't be fooled; DMac will become a stud. Not too say that Stewart or mend or Jones won't be... but DMac is the better bet.
 
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Quick look at the stats of the two at Arkansas

McFadden 05 - 176 rush for 1113 yds 11 TDs 6.3 plus 14 catches for 52 yds 0 TDs

Felix Jones 05 - 99 rushes for 626 yds 3 TDs 6.3 plus 8 catches for 100 yds 0 TDs

McFadden 06 - 284 rush for 1647 yds 14 TDs 5.8 plus 11 catches for 149 yds 1 TD

Felix Jones 06 - 154 rush for 1188 yds 6 TDs 7.6 plus 15 catches for 107 yds 3 TDs

McFadden 07 - 325 rush for 1830 yds 16 TDs 5.6 plus 21 catches for 164 yds 1 TD

Felix Jones 07 - 133 rush for 1162 yds 11 TDs 8.7 plus 16 catches for 176 yds 0 TDs

Important to note that as a Junior last year, McFadden had at least 17 rushes in every game and six games with over 25. Felix Jones never had more than 17 rushes and in six games had ten or fewer.

 
McFadden has apparently switched course. He now says he'll do a full workout minus the bench press.

 

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