McGahee officially named starter over Moreno (1 Viewer)

[rickyg]

This came from Rotowire in the last minute:

(RotoWire) Head coach John Fox said that McGahee has earned the right to get a majority of the carries in Denver, according to NBC 9News of Colorado. Analysis: McGahee took over the starting job when Knowshon Moreno went down with a hamstring injury and he's kept it now that Moreno is active again. He has rushed for at least 100 yards in two of the last three games and is clearly more than just the goal-line back that the Broncos thought they were getting when they signed him in the offseason.

 

[Banger]

this is likely all due to Cecil's irrational hatred for Moreno....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

this is likely all due to Cecil's irrational hatred for Moreno....

call it what you want....but he nailed it...

 

[Banger]

this is likely all due to Cecil's irrational hatred for Moreno....

call it what you want....but he nailed it...

Agreed 1000%...I'm poking fun at all the people that stubbornly refused to listen and thought it was some vendetta that Cecil had against him.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

this is likely all due to Cecil's irrational hatred for Moreno....

call it what you want....but he nailed it...

Agreed 1000%...I'm poking fun at all the people that stubbornly refused to listen and thought it was some vendetta that Cecil had against him.

my bad banger...oundschest:...thought you were being one of those guys....my bad

 

[rickyg]

I sort of feel bad for Moreno because he never really had a shot to prove his worth this season. Yes he went down with a hamstring pull for a few weeks, but so did alot of rb's. and in the game he went down with that hammy McGahee did nothing to prove himself.

Im not saying he deserved a LONG leash...but at least ONE full game back as the full fledged starter to see what he can do. I think he is more talented than McGahee, a 30+ year old back with bionic knees. So my sense tells me that if McGahee could have run for 100+ yards on 15 carries this past sunday, maybe Moreno could have run for 150??

But we wont know that until Fox gives him a shot. I think Fox came in as the coach wanting to demote Moreno bc he feels Moreno is too smallish and doesn't fit his power running style of offense. If you think about it, the writing WAS on the wall when they set out to find another back. They would have signed deangelo williams had he not stayed in carolina for an immense sum of $.

People who drafted Moreno in the 4th round this year can now officially say that they probably drafted a candidate for bust of the year.

 

[Wadsworth]

I've been high on McGahee not so much because I'm down on Moreno, but because I never saw Moreno as a John Fox style RB. Whenever you have a new coach and he brings in a guy, I give him a boost over an existing guy that hasn't proven to be valuable. There really where a lot of reasons to see this coming outside of the Moreno injury.

 

[rickyg]

I've been high on McGahee not so much because I'm down on Moreno, but because I never saw Moreno as a John Fox style RB. Whenever you have a new coach and he brings in a guy, I give him a boost over an existing guy that hasn't proven to be valuable. There really where a lot of reasons to see this coming outside of the Moreno injury.

I agree.

 

[Wadsworth]

I sort of feel bad for Moreno because he never really had a shot to prove his worth this season. Yes he went down with a hamstring pull for a few weeks, but so did alot of rb's. and in the game he went down with that hammy McGahee did nothing to prove himself.

Im not saying he deserved a LONG leash...but at least ONE full game back as the full fledged starter to see what he can do. I think he is more talented than McGahee, a 30+ year old back with bionic knees. So my sense tells me that if McGahee could have run for 100+ yards on 15 carries this past sunday, maybe Moreno could have run for 150??

But we wont know that until Fox gives him a shot. I think Fox came in as the coach wanting to demote Moreno bc he feels Moreno is too smallish and doesn't fit his power running style of offense. If you think about it, the writing WAS on the wall when they set out to find another back. They would have signed deangelo williams had he not stayed in carolina for an immense sum of $.

People who drafted Moreno in the 4th round this year can now officially say that they probably drafted a candidate for bust of the year.

McGahee is 29.

 

[solorca]

I was made fun of in the Shark Pool during the preseason for telling everyone that this would happen. John Fox never changes...he's the most predictable coach in the NFL.

 

[rickyg]

I sort of feel bad for Moreno because he never really had a shot to prove his worth this season. Yes he went down with a hamstring pull for a few weeks, but so did alot of rb's. and in the game he went down with that hammy McGahee did nothing to prove himself.

Im not saying he deserved a LONG leash...but at least ONE full game back as the full fledged starter to see what he can do. I think he is more talented than McGahee, a 30+ year old back with bionic knees. So my sense tells me that if McGahee could have run for 100+ yards on 15 carries this past sunday, maybe Moreno could have run for 150??

But we wont know that until Fox gives him a shot. I think Fox came in as the coach wanting to demote Moreno bc he feels Moreno is too smallish and doesn't fit his power running style of offense. If you think about it, the writing WAS on the wall when they set out to find another back. They would have signed deangelo williams had he not stayed in carolina for an immense sum of $.

People who drafted Moreno in the 4th round this year can now officially say that they probably drafted a candidate for bust of the year.

McGahee is 29.

my bad...almost 30 with bionic knees lol...granted also with a lot less tread on the tires in the last several years playing GL back and second fiddle to ray rice.

 

[mcintyre1]

Good time to buy low on Moreno and stash him. He'll get another shot somewhere else down the line and this news certainly tanks his value.

 

[rickyg]

A McGahee injury would surely open the door for him again and I personally think he would run with the opportunity. But you'd have to REALLY buy low...like give up a WR3 or bye week flex guy.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Good time to buy low on Moreno and stash him. He'll get another shot somewhere else down the line and this news certainly tanks his value.

This is what I'm thinking. Is now a good time for dynasty leaguers to buy? Or should his owners sell while they still can?

 

[mcintyre1]

I'll also add that I think this is a terrible move by Denver. McGahee looks slow out there, and is certainly not the future for that team. Now, I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know if there are other circumstances at play, but I can't believe that McGahee gives them the best chance to win games. Here's hoping Moreno makes a stink and gets traded/cut.

 

[mcintyre1]

Good time to buy low on Moreno and stash him. He'll get another shot somewhere else down the line and this news certainly tanks his value.

This is what I'm thinking. Is now a good time for dynasty leaguers to buy? Or should his owners sell while they still can?

Eh, in leagues that I have him, I'm planning to hold. His value was already pretty damn low. I'd say you could probably get him for a flex player or less, similar to McFadden at his low point.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'll also add that I think this is a terrible move by Denver. McGahee looks slow out there, and is certainly not the future for that team. Now, I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know if there are other circumstances at play, but I can't believe that McGahee gives them the best chance to win games. Here's hoping Moreno makes a stink and gets traded/cut.

39.3 fantasy points over the last three weeks with no single week below 11 points. Slow, old, bionic knees, whatever. I don't care if it's the best move for Denver's future.

 

[rickyg]

Well, if mcgahee stays healthy for the season and his first 3 games as starter are any indication he might just end up being the steal of most drafts and that unexpected flex player that helps push teams to a championship this year.

In my leagues he was drafted in the 13th and 11th rounds

 

[yoadrian]

There were whispers that Moreno was not held in high regard in Denver. That rumor is looking more true now than ever.

 

[tim_whatley]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

 

[Short Corner]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

These are the same guys getting paid millions of dollars who know less about running out the clock with a lead than some 14-year-old playing Madden.

 

[mcintyre1]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

 

[Concept Coop]

LOL at...

 

[todisco1]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

Exactly. If the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent were always right, then wouldn't no one ever bust?

 

[rickyg]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

I can name a laundry list of NFL coaches and scouts, so called experts, who have passed on talented players only to kick themselves later. How bout the 20 teams that passed on Randy moss in the 1998 draft? Kevin Dyson was drafted by Tennessee before moss.

How bout all the scouts who bashed cam newton this year and said he would never make it in the NFL?

How bout Rex Ryan dropping Danny woodhead, only to then watch him become a cog of the division rival patriots. Do you think Rex Ryan is a smart million dollar coach?

Or let's talk about Josh mcdaniels ruining the broncos by letting key franchise players go bc of his ego? Bye bye Brandon Marshall and jay cutler. Hello Kyle Orton, a guy who fans are clamoring to start tebow over. Think they'd be clamoring for him to start over cutler? Nope.

John fox opted to go with Jake delhomme way past him wearing out his welcome and then went into the 2010 season with matt Moore as his starter. Smart move?

Coaches make wrong and dumb decisions all the time. Benching Moreno could easily prove to be one of fox's big blunders if Moreno goes to another team and lights it up. He certainly has the pedigree.

 

[rascal]

A McGahee injury would surely open the door for him again and I personally think he would run with the opportunity. But you'd have to REALLY buy low...like give up a WR3 or bye week flex guy.

You can find him on my league's waiver wire as I just dropped him for Torain.

 

[qimqam]

You guys overreact much.

Here is the quote from Fox

"We're in a week-to-week, or a 'What have you done for me lately?' league, so right now, I think it's fair to say that Willis is that guy," Fox said.

Moreno could be starting next week for all we know. If he stays healthy which is a big if he will keep the job because he is flat out better than McGhee

 

[rickyg]

A McGahee injury would surely open the door for him again and I personally think he would run with the opportunity. But you'd have to REALLY buy low...like give up a WR3 or bye week flex guy.

You can find him on my league's waiver wire as I just dropped him for Torain.

I don't think that's a bad move.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Moreno just isn't that good.....

if you watched the games and/or spent some time around the Broncos (Cecil) it was pretty easy to see/hear.....it wasn't even so much not being a John Fox guy, it's just that he ain't that good....if he was good, it wouldn't matter if he was a John Fox guy or not, he would play....

it seemed like some people had a hangover effect from the Shanahan days when almost any DEN RB that was plugged in produced.....so you better jump all over whoever is the RB in DEN....

drafting Moreno with the 12th pick of the draft was HUGE mistake by DEN.....how good would Brian Orakpo look in a DEN uniform to DEN fans...?

there were plenty of threads about Moreno in the offseason and it really isn't a "I told you so" type of situation, but there were plenty of red flags surrounding Moreno headed into this season (including all the speculation that they would probably get DWilly if they could), but more importantly his talent did not justify a high fantasy draft pick...and in my mind those red flags should have steered people away from wasting a 3rd or 4th or even 5th round pick on the guy....he really should have been one of those..."I'm glad you took him so I didn't have to" guys that you just kept passing on....

 

[Wadsworth]

You guys overreact much.

Here is the quote from Fox

"We're in a week-to-week, or a 'What have you done for me lately?' league, so right now, I think it's fair to say that Willis is that guy," Fox said.

Moreno could be starting next week for all we know. If he stays healthy which is a big if he will keep the job because he is flat out better than McGhee

In 23 starts for Denver, Moreno has topped 100 rushing yards twice. McGahee has done it twice in 3 starts for Denver. What exactly makes you think that Moreno is just flat out better?

 

[rickyg]

You guys overreact much.

Here is the quote from Fox

"We're in a week-to-week, or a 'What have you done for me lately?' league, so right now, I think it's fair to say that Willis is that guy," Fox said.

Moreno could be starting next week for all we know. If he stays healthy which is a big if he will keep the job because he is flat out better than McGhee

In 23 starts for Denver, Moreno has topped 100 rushing yards twice. McGahee has done it twice in 3 starts for Denver. What exactly makes you think that Moreno is just flat out better?

good point

 

[T with T]

I'll also add that I think this is a terrible move by Denver. McGahee looks slow out there, and is certainly not the future for that team. Now, I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know if there are other circumstances at play, but I can't believe that McGahee gives them the best chance to win games. Here's hoping Moreno makes a stink and gets traded/cut.

Looks slow??? he had over 7 ypc against a top 2 run defense in GB and had 100 yards 2 out of 4. Knowshon is soft, he is made of glass, and seems to clutch his hammy or ankle after every run. Mcgahee is much tougher, better goalline back and can also catch the ball out of the back field. Mcgahee is a forgotten man but I think he has plenty left in the tank at 29, and for the last 3-4 years has Low Miles on him. Give it up for Knowshon, he is garbage.

 

[T with T]

You guys overreact much.

Here is the quote from Fox

"We're in a week-to-week, or a 'What have you done for me lately?' league, so right now, I think it's fair to say that Willis is that guy," Fox said.

Moreno could be starting next week for all we know. If he stays healthy which is a big if he will keep the job because he is flat out better than McGhee

Keep what job? If you haven't noticed he has had the job of bench warming and standing next to other players on the bench, Is that the job he will keep.... mcgahee def looks like the better runner, overall and I must say I was hesitant to think he was better then Knowshon in the offseason, but I must say I did draft Mcgahee in like the 11th or 12th round, so I am happy about the situation.

 

[massraider]

If Moreno had been a 3rd round pick, would there still be people holding out hope?

 

[solorca]

I love when seeing John Fox coach a team other than Carolina.

 

[mcintyre1]

I'll also add that I think this is a terrible move by Denver. McGahee looks slow out there, and is certainly not the future for that team. Now, I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know if there are other circumstances at play, but I can't believe that McGahee gives them the best chance to win games. Here's hoping Moreno makes a stink and gets traded/cut.

Looks slow??? he had over 7 ypc against a top 2 run defense in GB and had 100 yards 2 out of 4. Knowshon is soft, he is made of glass, and seems to clutch his hammy or ankle after every run. Mcgahee is much tougher, better goalline back and can also catch the ball out of the back field. Mcgahee is a forgotten man but I think he has plenty left in the tank at 29, and for the last 3-4 years has Low Miles on him. Give it up for Knowshon, he is garbage.

He actually had 6.9 YPC, but that's nitpicking. The first 100 yard game came on 28 carries for 3.6 per. He then carried the ball 22 times for 52 yards (2.4 ypc) against Tennessee. He is averaging 3.8 yards per rush while averaging an abysmal 4.5 yards per catch on the season. So yeah, I'm going to stick by my initial visual assessment that "he looks slow."

 

[mcintyre1]

If Moreno had been a 3rd round pick, would there still be people holding out hope?

Probably not. But he wasn't a 3rd round pick. Do we really need to devolve another thread into the statistical bust percentages of players picked in various rounds? I'd rather talk about what I see a player do on the field. As long as we're doing that, I'll stick by my own assessment that Moreno is the more talented runner.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Good time to buy low on Moreno and stash him. He'll get another shot somewhere else down the line and this news certainly tanks his value.

I actually think Moreno is an average talent, but we've seen average talents put up good numbers before. He is only 24 and has good hands so he has potential PPR value.

 

[moderated]

McGahee has proven he sucks

Moreno looks like he sucks, but hasn't 100% proven it yet.

Neither of these guys will be in Denvers plans for 2012, and for this year they will likely split when Moreno is healthy again.

McGahee has had one decent game this year, the others he got a lot of carries but was beyond bad.

 

[Banger]

McGahee has proven he sucksMoreno looks like he sucks, but hasn't 100% proven it yet.Neither of these guys will be in Denvers plans for 2012, and for this year they will likely split when Moreno is healthy again.McGahee has had one decent game this year, the others he got a lot of carries but was beyond bad.

both guys stink and neither are going to carry you to a championship but if it's the choice between the sucky runner that's the starter and will get the carries vs. the sucky runner that will be on the bench....give me the one with the carries.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

McGahee has proven he sucks

Moreno looks like he sucks, but hasn't 100% proven it yet.



Neither of these guys will be in Denvers plans for 2012, and for this year they will likely split when Moreno is healthy again.

McGahee has had one decent game this year, the others he got a lot of carries but was beyond bad.

Moreno has an $855k salary next year and with $5M left on his bonus it's doubtful they will cut him. I think 2012 is his last season in Denver unless he shows something since his salary jumps to $1.7M in 2013.

 

[moderated]

McGahee has proven he sucks

Moreno looks like he sucks, but hasn't 100% proven it yet.



Neither of these guys will be in Denvers plans for 2012, and for this year they will likely split when Moreno is healthy again.

McGahee has had one decent game this year, the others he got a lot of carries but was beyond bad.

Moreno has an $855k salary next year and with $5M left on his bonus it's doubtful they will cut him. I think 2012 is his last season in Denver unless he shows something since his salary jumps to $1.7M in 2013.

he may be on the team but it will be shocking if Denver doesn't draft/sign a legit starting RB. Both Moreno and McGahee aren't starting material and Fox's offenses run through the RB's. Running an offense through either one of those losers is a recipe for losing.

 

[qimqam]

You guys overreact much.

Here is the quote from Fox

"We're in a week-to-week, or a 'What have you done for me lately?' league, so right now, I think it's fair to say that Willis is that guy," Fox said.

Moreno could be starting next week for all we know. If he stays healthy which is a big if he will keep the job because he is flat out better than McGhee

In 23 starts for Denver, Moreno has topped 100 rushing yards twice. McGahee has done it twice in 3 starts for Denver. What exactly makes you think that Moreno is just flat out better?

How about the fact that even after his huge game this week McGhee is still averging 3.8 yds per carry ... Moreno averged 4.3 per carry last year which is more than McGhee has ever avged in his career as a starter. How about the fact that Mcghee is avg 77 yds and 20 touches per game this year ... Moreno avg 87.5 yds and 17 touches per gamelast year

 

[Wadsworth]

You guys overreact much.

Here is the quote from Fox

"We're in a week-to-week, or a 'What have you done for me lately?' league, so right now, I think it's fair to say that Willis is that guy," Fox said.

Moreno could be starting next week for all we know. If he stays healthy which is a big if he will keep the job because he is flat out better than McGhee

In 23 starts for Denver, Moreno has topped 100 rushing yards twice. McGahee has done it twice in 3 starts for Denver. What exactly makes you think that Moreno is just flat out better?

How about the fact that even after his huge game this week McGhee is still averging 3.8 yds per carry ... Moreno averged 4.3 per carry last year which is more than McGhee has ever avged in his career as a starter. How about the fact that Mcghee is avg 77 yds and 20 touches per game this year ... Moreno avg 87.5 yds and 17 touches per gamelast year

As a starter this year McGahee is averaging 3.93 per carry, 85.33 rushing yards per games. I noticed you switched the data to "touches" instead of rushes. I don't think that that is reasonable sense under John Fox I doubt RBs will get that many targets. In a different system with a different coach Moreno averaged 4.3 per carry last year. In this system with this coach we don't know how he will perform, and no one in Denver seems to be in much of a hurry to find out.

 

[bmetz]

McGahee a sell-high candidate?

I just got Roddy White for him in a .5 PPR league.

 

[Banger]

McGahee a sell-high candidate?I just got Roddy White for him in a .5 PPR league.

 

[Wadsworth]

McGahee a sell-high candidate?I just got Roddy White for him in a .5 PPR league.

Holy smokes. I like McGahee's potential this season but not that much.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

Exactly. If the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent were always right, then wouldn't no one ever bust?

So the "guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent" that beleived Moreno had enough talent to be a first round pick were wrong, but we should all defer and show blind faith to these other "guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent" that think McGahee is the better back? Got it.

 

[cubbie5150]

McGahee has proven he sucksMoreno looks like he sucks, but hasn't 100% proven it yet.Neither of these guys will be in Denvers plans for 2012, and for this year they will likely split when Moreno is healthy again.McGahee has had one decent game this year, the others he got a lot of carries but was beyond bad.

both guys stink and neither are going to carry you to a championship but if it's the choice between the sucky runner that's the starter and will get the carries vs. the sucky runner that will be on the bench....give me the one with the carries.

I'm not deluding myself into thinking McGahee is any good, but yeah, for this year, he's a decent spot starter as RB2, or weekly FLEX play.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

lol at all the stuff going on in here.....

sounds like there are a lot of owners who don't want to give up yet and are hanging on to whatever rope they can as they continue to try and justify a wasted 3rd or 4th round pick....

Moreno has proven that he did not deserve a 12th overall draft pick and he shouldn't have deserved a 3rd or 4th round pick in fantasy 2011.....he has lost his job to a guy that was brought in to replace him....deny that if you want and continue to think that McGahee was just brought in as a compliment if you want.....keep thinking, keep justifying, and keep hangin on.....but McGahee was brought in becase they didn't think Moreno could be the man....him being replaced as the starter should not be a surprise to anyone.....it sucks for those of you who drafted him fairly high, but it wasn't that hard to see coming...

signed

drafter and hangin on'er of 3rd or 4th round Mark Ingram