McGahee officially named starter over Moreno (1 Viewer)

[Stinkin Ref]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

Exactly. If the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent were always right, then wouldn't no one ever bust?

So the "guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent" that beleived Moreno had enough talent to be a first round pick were wrong, but we should all defer and show blind faith to these other "guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent" that think McGahee is the better back? Got it.

in this game of fantasy...it's not about whose opinion you should believe more....it is only about whose opinion matters....will let you figure out if that is either:

A. the regime that drafted Moreno for some reason with the 12th overall pick...

or...

B. the regime that is in place now that brought McGahee in.....

 

[rickyg]

McGahee a sell-high candidate?I just got Roddy White for him in a .5 PPR league.

This is a great post. In my ppr dynasty league I had Vick and newton. We only start 1qb so I decided to trade Vick away for a few elite starters. I asked the roethlosberger owner if he was interested in Vick and he was. I traded Vick, mcgahee, and MorenoI got forte, desean Jackson, and colt McCoy. Vick wasn't going to sniff my lineup again unless newton were to fall back to earth in a big way. Mcgahee and Moreno nth were in my bench. Mcgahees 15 carries for 100 plus yards helped me seal that deal. Its not a bad idea to approach the j Charles owners or the shonn greene owners, and see if there is interest in mcgahee. You might be able to swing a top wr.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Moreno is a very tempting player to pickup on the low, he reminds me of McFadden in his 2nd year when everyone gave up hope on him. However, Fox is a terrible coach for any young talented backs in likes of Steward and DWILL, he capped both back's high ceilings. Fox has a tendency of starting a veteran back no matter how talented the future back is... decisions decisions.

 

[bmetz]

McGahee a sell-high candidate?

I just got Roddy White for him in a .5 PPR league.

This is a great post. In my ppr dynasty league I had Vick and newton. We only start 1qb so I decided to trade Vick away for a few elite starters. I asked the roethlosberger owner if he was interested in Vick and he was.

I traded Vick, mcgahee, and Moreno

I got forte, desean Jackson, and colt McCoy.

Vick wasn't going to sniff my lineup again unless newton were to fall back to earth in a big way. Mcgahee and Moreno nth were in my bench.

Mcgahees 15 carries for 100 plus yards helped me seal that deal.

Its not a bad idea to approach the j Charles owners or the shonn greene owners, and see if there is interest in mcgahee. You might be able to swing a top wr.

Last week, this owner's asking price for Roddy was Brandon Marshall + Willis. After the GB game I got the offer above. Also, the Roddy owner was a former J Charles owner, and RB needy.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Moreno is a very tempting player to pickup on the low, he reminds me of McFadden in his 2nd year when everyone gave up hope on him. However, Fox is a terrible coach for any young talented backs in likes of Steward and DWILL, he capped both back's high ceilings. Fox has a tendency of starting a veteran back no matter how talented the future back is... decisions decisions.

much of this wrong....Moreno is no McFadden...not even closeFox is not terribleStew and Dwilly both talented backs on the same team...what happened there may have capped their fantasy ceilings, but Fox could give a rats ### about that....

 

[Mash]

Moreno is a very tempting player to pickup on the low, he reminds me of McFadden in his 2nd year when everyone gave up hope on him. However, Fox is a terrible coach for any young talented backs in likes of Steward and DWILL, he capped both back's high ceilings. Fox has a tendency of starting a veteran back no matter how talented the future back is... decisions decisions.

McFadden is far superior than Moreno in all facets of the game. It's not even close.

 

[Instinctive]

Moreno is a very tempting player to pickup on the low, he reminds me of McFadden in his 2nd year when everyone gave up hope on him. However, Fox is a terrible coach for any young talented backs in likes of Steward and DWILL, he capped both back's high ceilings. Fox has a tendency of starting a veteran back no matter how talented the future back is... decisions decisions.

McFadden is far superior than Moreno in all facets of the game. It's not even close.

Yeah. Moreno is just like McFadden, except Moreno sucks. McFadden was limited by injuries and by no means was he simply a poor performer who turned it around. The talent was there and then the health came around.Wells is like McFadden. Moreno? Moreno shouldn't have been a high pick, lacks the talent of a high pick, and hasn't had the injury issues of McFadden - remember that he had turf toe for a whole season?

 

[FarEastKilla]

Moreno is a very tempting player to pickup on the low, he reminds me of McFadden in his 2nd year when everyone gave up hope on him. However, Fox is a terrible coach for any young talented backs in likes of Steward and DWILL, he capped both back's high ceilings. Fox has a tendency of starting a veteran back no matter how talented the future back is... decisions decisions.

McFadden is far superior than Moreno in all facets of the game. It's not even close.

Yeah. Moreno is just like McFadden, except Moreno sucks. McFadden was limited by injuries and by no means was he simply a poor performer who turned it around. The talent was there and then the health came around.Wells is like McFadden. Moreno? Moreno shouldn't have been a high pick, lacks the talent of a high pick, and hasn't had the injury issues of McFadden - remember that he had turf toe for a whole season?

you are right Today just like he was right THAT day, yes hind sight is always 20/20. All I'm saying is don't count him out just yet, especially KM is also nagged with injury right now, same situation McFadden was once in, and a lot of people thought he was a bust, just saying...."Posted 05 October 2009 - 03:32 PMView Posteaglezzz, on Oct 5 2009, 03:31 PM, said:So what is the deal with McFadden do you hold onto him and hope for the best or do you cut ties all together. He is actually my 3rd RB behind Peterson and Ronnie Brown but when the byes start coming I want the best opportunity with my 3rd RB. Currently Portis or Moreno are on the Waiver Wire.If Moreno clears waivers this week I will probably dump McFadden for him but I am sure someone else will pick him up first (I am first place so won't get a chance on the waivers)MorenoPortisMcFadden "

 

[Instinctive]

Except people saw McFadden had burst. He played through injury. He looked good when he was healthy - Moreno hasn't always been injured (McFadden had an entire season of turf toe, remember?) and when he was healthy he hasn't looked good. That's a crucial difference.

Just because people used the wrong process on McFadden doesn't mean it's automatically wrong on Moreno too - Moreno has been under a different set of circumstances. A few people (admittedly, myself included) have used the McFadden Case Study to find a RB this year, and the guy was Wells all offseason long. High pedigree, looked good when he was healthy, but got injured a bunch.

Again, the difference is that when Moreno has been healthy, he has not looked good. No burst, goes down easily...just a different guy than the other two.

I completely agree that there will be situations like McFadden again - but it's more likely to be a guy like Best or Mathews, IMO - who looked great when healthy and then had turf toe all year (although he hasn't rushed well this season either) than Moreno, who simply has not looked good, ever. Mathews is actually doing very well this year now that he's healthy...

I'd rather have Spiller than Moreno. Spiller hasn't had a chance, stuck behind a very productive veteran. Moreno has had chances, and done nothing with them. He's just not that good. I could be wrong (I'm no professional) but I really don't want any part of Moreno.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

Exactly. If the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent were always right, then wouldn't no one ever bust?

Bust?.. Um, you mean pull a Moreno right?

 

[sbonomo]

I sort of feel bad for Moreno because he never really had a shot to prove his worth this season. Yes he went down with a hamstring pull for a few weeks, but so did alot of rb's. and in the game he went down with that hammy McGahee did nothing to prove himself. Im not saying he deserved a LONG leash...but at least ONE full game back as the full fledged starter to see what he can do. I think he is more talented than McGahee, a 30+ year old back with bionic knees. So my sense tells me that if McGahee could have run for 100+ yards on 15 carries this past sunday, maybe Moreno could have run for 150?? But we wont know that until Fox gives him a shot. I think Fox came in as the coach wanting to demote Moreno bc he feels Moreno is too smallish and doesn't fit his power running style of offense. If you think about it, the writing WAS on the wall when they set out to find another back. They would have signed deangelo williams had he not stayed in carolina for an immense sum of $. People who drafted Moreno in the 4th round this year can now officially say that they probably drafted a candidate for bust of the year.

Oh dont sell us guys that drafted #1 in dynasty drafts over wells and have auffered with him for years....

 

[T with T]

I can't believe how many posters are writing that Mcgahee sucks and isn't even a starter???? are you kidding me. He has low miles and at 29 runs like a 26-27 year old back imo. He had almost 90 yards in the first half vs Gb. He barely got any carries in the second half and looked real quick. Den hasn't been throwing him the ball enough, and Blocking and opening up holes. They finally opened some holes and you saw Mcgahee be very productive. 15 carries for 100 yards, 2 of the last 4 100 yard games... UNPRODUCTIVE???? get out of here. Moreno is a toothpick injury prone glassman, comparing him to Dmac is so stupid it shouldn't even be discussed... You are out son.

 

[FLY IGGLES FLY]

lol at all the stuff going on in here.....sounds like there are a lot of owners who don't want to give up yet and are hanging on to whatever rope they can as they continue to try and justify a wasted 3rd or 4th round pick....signeddrafter and hangin on'er of 3rd or 4th round Mark Ingram

LOL. I'm right there with you man. Drafted Ingram in the 5th and I'm hangin' on for dear life. Lucky for me my 10th rd pick (McGahee) is working out pretty well so far. I think the guy who keeps saying McGahee looks "slow", is really thinking he looks like "not the guy I drafted in the 3rd round".

 

[todisco1]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

Exactly. If the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent were always right, then wouldn't no one ever bust?

Bust?.. Um, you mean pull a Moreno right?

lol

 

[Dr. Octopus]

LOL at the guys on here who still believe Moreno has talent.

Yeah, b/c you know more than the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent and who watched both backs all of training camp and all practices.

You're right. They're never wrong. That's why guys never play better when they change teams.

Exactly. If the guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent were always right, then wouldn't no one ever bust?

So the "guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent" that beleived Moreno had enough talent to be a first round pick were wrong, but we should all defer and show blind faith to these other "guys who are paid millions of dollars to evaluate football talent" that think McGahee is the better back? Got it.

in this game of fantasy...it's not about whose opinion you should believe more....it is only about whose opinion matters....will let you figure out if that is either:

A. the regime that drafted Moreno for some reason with the 12th overall pick...

or...

B. the regime that is in place now that brought McGahee in.....

I don't own either one and I don't care who starts - just playing off the statement that was made (since it works both ways).

 

[qimqam]

Hope the McGhee owners enjoyed the sub par output over the past 3 weeks because this is the day Moreno takes back the featured back role.

Last 3 games vs. SD

29 for 179 yds (6.1 avg) and a TD

9 for 70 yds (7.8 avg)

15 touches should produce 100yds and a TD

Mcghee with the same number of touches should produce about 45-50 yds possible a gimme TD

 

[Wadsworth]

Hope the McGhee owners enjoyed the sub par output over the past 3 weeks because this is the day Moreno takes back the featured back role.

Last 3 games vs. SD

29 for 179 yds (6.1 avg) and a TD

9 for 70 yds (7.8 avg)

15 touches should produce 100yds and a TD

Mcghee with the same number of touches should produce about 45-50 yds possible a gimme TD

McGahee has gotten almost 40 points in a standard system over the last 3 weeks with no week less than 11 points. If that is sub par sign me up.

 

[qimqam]

Hope the McGhee owners enjoyed the sub par output over the past 3 weeks because this is the day Moreno takes back the featured back role.

Last 3 games vs. SD

29 for 179 yds (6.1 avg) and a TD

9 for 70 yds (7.8 avg)

15 touches should produce 100yds and a TD

Mcghee with the same number of touches should produce about 45-50 yds possible a gimme TD

McGahee has gotten almost 40 points in a standard system over the last 3 weeks with no week less than 11 points. If that is sub par sign me up.

Yes under 4.0 yards per carry is sub par ...especially when you consider the number of carries.Here is just a quick stat I found just to give you an idea. This is the NFL average carry from 2002-2005 ... It's all I quickly found and I am not putting in any more effort to prove you wrong.

He is below average ... Moreno last year averaged 4.5 well above these averages

Carries 2002 2003 2004 2005

Average 4.15 4.18 4.19 4.07

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Hope the McGhee owners enjoyed the sub par output over the past 3 weeks because this is the day Moreno takes back the featured back role.

Last 3 games vs. SD

29 for 179 yds (6.1 avg) and a TD

9 for 70 yds (7.8 avg)

15 touches should produce 100yds and a TD

Mcghee with the same number of touches should produce about 45-50 yds possible a gimme TD

McGahee has gotten almost 40 points in a standard system over the last 3 weeks with no week less than 11 points. If that is sub par sign me up.

Yes under 4.0 yards per carry is sub par ...especially when you consider the number of carries.Here is just a quick stat I found just to give you an idea. This is the NFL average carry from 2002-2005 ... It's all I quickly found and I am not putting in any more effort to prove you wrong.

He is below average ... Moreno last year averaged 4.5 well above these averages

Carries 2002 2003 2004 2005

Average 4.15 4.18 4.19 4.07

 

[qimqam]

Hope the McGhee owners enjoyed the sub par output over the past 3 weeks because this is the day Moreno takes back the featured back role.

Last 3 games vs. SD

29 for 179 yds (6.1 avg) and a TD

9 for 70 yds (7.8 avg)

15 touches should produce 100yds and a TD

Mcghee with the same number of touches should produce about 45-50 yds possible a gimme TD

McGahee has gotten almost 40 points in a standard system over the last 3 weeks with no week less than 11 points. If that is sub par sign me up.

Yes under 4.0 yards per carry is sub par ...especially when you consider the number of carries.Here is just a quick stat I found just to give you an idea. This is the NFL average carry from 2002-2005 ... It's all I quickly found and I am not putting in any more effort to prove you wrong.

He is below average ... Moreno last year averaged 4.5 well above these averages

Carries 2002 2003 2004 2005

Average 4.15 4.18 4.19 4.07

Not quite sure what you getting at here?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Yes under 4.0 yards per carry is sub par ...especially when you consider the number of carries.

Here is just a quick stat I found just to give you an idea. This is the NFL average carry from 2002-2005 ... It's all I quickly found and I am not putting in any more effort to prove you wrong.

He is below average ... Moreno last year averaged 4.5 well above these averages

Carries 2002 2003 2004 2005

Average 4.15 4.18 4.19 4.07

Not quite sure what you getting at here?

Too many things to pick out with your post.. but you were/are obviously wrong as McGahee is still the starting rb and put up over 100 yard in 3 of the 4 games he started so far...with 15 carries last week, and 15 carries this week (so far), both weeks he ran over 100 yards.. Yet you protest that McGahee will produce 45-55 yards with 15 touches

You say under 4.0 per carry is sub par, then you switch to "touches" when talking about Moreno, and then go on to quote McGahee's career stats and fail to post one with a lower than 4.o average which would by your definition place McGahee in the "sub-par" category you've labeled him with...

I get it, you're a Moreno owner.. Sorry for you unfortunate luck, but it won't change anything for you to post here, twisting reality and grasping at straws.. Making predictions that don't/didn't come true...

 

[Wadsworth]

Moreno: 23 starts for Denver, 2 100 yard rushing games

McGahee: 4 starts for Denver, 3 100 yard rushing games

Please stop already.

 

[SacramentoBob]

John Fox doesn't care about YPC. Remember when Stephen Davis was averaging like 3.3 YPC and still wouldn't bench him?

 

[rickyg]

I think that today proved 2 things:

1) McGahee clearly has not lost as many steps as people think. He is also the undisputed lead back in Denver now for sure. As long as he keeps running this way Moreno won't be more than a change of pace back

2) With Tebow in place, Moreno still has decent value as a flex play in the receiving game. Tebow has the mobility to keep plays alive and will dump it off to Moreno in space a lot. People who dropped Moreno did so prematurely. B/w his value as a flex play and potential value if McGahee falters or gets injured he should still be rostered.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

John Fox doesn't care about YPC. Remember when Stephen Davis was averaging like 3.3 YPC and still wouldn't bench him?

That's because you NEVAH bench Stephen Davis