McGwire vs. Manny (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Awesome]

Listening to Buster Olney, he claims he will not vote for Manny but he voted for McGwire. The reason he mentioned? Because the 90's was like a wild west but Manny came around in a different era.

I don't understand how he can be okay with one doing steroids but not the other.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Honestly, I'd vote for Manny BEFORE I voted for McGwire (if they were both eligible the same year).

 

[cobalt_27]

Neither. Case Closed.

 

[the moops]

Both

 

[Ghost Rider]

McGwire is a borderline Hall of Famer even with all of those home runs, but he never disrespected the game or his teams like Ramirez did for much of his career (unless you consider cheating in itself disrespectful, in which case the number of players who have disrespected the game will be very large).

To answer the question: neither.

 

[rodg12]

Both

 

[Osaurus]

Bud Selig's MLB or MLB? I would put both of them in during Bud's regime.

 

[the moops]

McGwire is a borderline Hall of Famer even with all of those home runs, but he never disrespected the game or his teams like Ramirez did for much of his career (unless you consider cheating in itself disrespectful, in which case the number of players who have disrespected the game will be very large). To answer the question: neither.

This whole disrespect the game thing is lame. Who the #### cares if Manny acted like a child at times. The guy had an 8 year stretch that only the best of the best could dream of.

 

[Billy Bats]

I voted for both to go in.... eventually. While it's fair to assume *most* everyone was taking some sort of supplement, how can we punish just those we're "pretty sure" used enhancements? How many names did that mystery list contain, 100+? So to punish some, but not all, isn't quite fair, I would put them both in but not on the first ballot. Make a point and keep them off for a few years but eventually get them in.

 

[Thunderlips]

Personally, I think there is a difference between guys like Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod and Ramirez and guys like Sosa and McGwire. I think that the first set of guys were great ballplayers who made a poor choice in taking steroids. I think the second group became great ballplayers because of making the choice to take steroids. I'd vote the first group in....but it wouldn't be a for a few years. I don't think I'd ever vote for the second group.

 

[eoMMan]

I don't know but that was fun to watch.

I think they should have a separate league where they let players juice. Add in aluminum bats while you are at it.

 

[B Maverick]

Vote for both. The HOF is all about voting in the best players in their era. Manny, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, etc were all the best players in their ERA. Happens to be the steroid era. So put them in the HOF in the steroid era wing and be done with it.

However, if you dont vote in mcgwire, you CANT vote in the rest of them.

 

[The Berry Man]

However, if you dont vote in mcgwire, you CANT vote in the rest of them.

Of course you can.

 

[Finless]

However, if you dont vote in mcgwire, you CANT vote in the rest of them.

Of course you can.[/QUOTE] Manny belongs...clutch, man among children. Best pure swing the game has ever seen.

 

[dparker713]

Personally, I think there is a difference between guys like Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod and Ramirez and guys like Sosa and McGwire. I think that the first set of guys were great ballplayers who made a poor choice in taking steroids. I think the second group became great ballplayers because of making the choice to take steroids. I'd vote the first group in....but it wouldn't be a for a few years. I don't think I'd ever vote for the second group.

As a fairly skinny rookie McGwire hit .289/.370/.618 with 49 HRs He had one mediocre year. The rest were pretty darn good, if sometimes short. As for Olney's stance, I don't think it makes much sense. The rules are in place now. There is a penalty for violating those rules. Manny's first violation cost him like 8 mil and 50 games. This one is costing him the rest of his career. The violation does not inclue a lifetime ban so he's eligible to be elected. I see no reason for the writers to impose another punishment upon Manny. This whole morality kick of the baseball writers is just insane. There are #######s of all kinds in the HOF. Thre are cheaters of all kinds too. From Perry's admitted spitball use, to Brett's pine tar, to Ruth's corked bats, to every player in the 60s and 70s amphetamine use. If there's a way to cheat, atleast one member of the HOF did it. Plus, if they haven't elected a steroid user already, they will soon - or could everyone tell that Guillermo Mota was juicing? The HOF is a museum, so I just wish the writers would to their jobs and elect the best players from every era.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Personally, I think there is a difference between guys like Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod and Ramirez and guys like Sosa and McGwire. I think that the first set of guys were great ballplayers who made a poor choice in taking steroids. I think the second group became great ballplayers because of making the choice to take steroids. I'd vote the first group in....but it wouldn't be a for a few years. I don't think I'd ever vote for the second group.

As a fairly skinny rookie McGwire hit .289/.370/.618 with 49 HRs He had one mediocre year. The rest were pretty darn good, if sometimes short. As for Olney's stance, I don't think it makes much sense. The rules are in place now. There is a penalty for violating those rules. Manny's first violation cost him like 8 mil and 50 games. This one is costing him the rest of his career. The violation does not inclue a lifetime ban so he's eligible to be elected. I see no reason for the writers to impose another punishment upon Manny. This whole morality kick of the baseball writers is just insane. There are #######s of all kinds in the HOF. Thre are cheaters of all kinds too. From Perry's admitted spitball use, to Brett's pine tar, to Ruth's corked bats, to every player in the 60s and 70s amphetamine use. If there's a way to cheat, atleast one member of the HOF did it. Plus, if they haven't elected a steroid user already, they will soon - or could everyone tell that Guillermo Mota was juicing? The HOF is a museum, so I just wish the writers would to their jobs and elect the best players from every era.

Beautiful post.

 

[Tom Servo]

Listening to Buster Olney, he claims he will not vote for Manny but he voted for McGwire. The reason he mentioned? Because the 90's was like a wild west but Manny came around in a different era. I don't understand how he can be okay with one doing steroids but not the other.

What?Manny was drafted in 1991 and made his Indians debut in 93 IIRC. He was right in the middle of it. Heck, there's supposedly rumors that 1/2 of those 90s-era Indians teams were on the juice.If McGwire is only getting 20% of the vote now as a 1x juicer, Manny is toast as a 2x convicted offender.

 

[Tom Servo]

This whole morality kick of the baseball writers is just insane. There are #######s of all kinds in the HOF. Thre are cheaters of all kinds too. From Perry's admitted spitball use, to Brett's pine tar, to Ruth's corked bats, to every player in the 60s and 70s amphetamine use. If there's a way to cheat, atleast one member of the HOF did it. Plus, if they haven't elected a steroid user already, they will soon - or could everyone tell that Guillermo Mota was juicing? The HOF is a museum, so I just wish the writers would to their jobs and elect the best players from every era.

You forgot Doc Ellis' LSD use. You might want to review Brett's pine tar incident; the penalty is to have the bat taken away. at "The HOF is a museum". You should do comedy.

 

[Bogart]

Both. And thrown in Rose, Shoeless Joe and Bonds while you are at it. Just make sure you put everything on their plaque going in.

 

[dparker713]

This whole morality kick of the baseball writers is just insane. There are #######s of all kinds in the HOF. Thre are cheaters of all kinds too. From Perry's admitted spitball use, to Brett's pine tar, to Ruth's corked bats, to every player in the 60s and 70s amphetamine use. If there's a way to cheat, atleast one member of the HOF did it. Plus, if they haven't elected a steroid user already, they will soon - or could everyone tell that Guillermo Mota was juicing? The HOF is a museum, so I just wish the writers would to their jobs and elect the best players from every era.

You forgot Doc Ellis' LSD use. You might want to review Brett's pine tar incident; the penalty is to have the bat taken away. at "The HOF is a museum". You should do comedy.

For those that claim cheating is cheating, how does the penalty for pine tar matter? And yeah, silly me calling a place that houses historical exhibits that is open to the public a museum. Its obviously a zoo.