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Mel Kiper's first 2006 NFL Mock Draft (1 Viewer)

I would really have to question Arizona taking Williams after they just spent a 2nd on JJ.
Question taking JJ at #2, not Williams at #1. It's the same reason why the Texans will select Bush AND keep Davis. Having two quality backs to carry the load is nearly a must in the modern NFL.
I understand wanting to have two solid backs, but that doesn't mean you have to spend such high picks on them.Like Detroit with WRs.

I think a guy like Winston Justice would make more sense.

 
I would really have to question Arizona taking Williams after they just spent a 2nd on JJ.
Question taking JJ at #2, not Williams at #1. It's the same reason why the Texans will select Bush AND keep Davis. Having two quality backs to carry the load is nearly a must in the modern NFL.
I understand wanting to have two solid backs, but that doesn't mean you have to spend such high picks on them.Like Detroit with WRs.

I think a guy like Winston Justice would make more sense.
I would agree they should go O-Line before RB. But they can hardly be faulted for taking Williams, a top 10 talent if they feel he's a much better back than Arrington.Lots of 2nd rounders are busts. Don't compound the problem by bypassing an elite talent simply because you're trying to figure out whether or not the guy is a bust.

 
Interesting,

Where did he go for the Steelers?

WR-RB have both been discussed on this board, but the options many considered as candidates are gone according to your post....

Max Jean-Giles? OG UGa???
Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
I can see I'm in the minorty here, but I like this pick given the way he shows the draft shaking out. I would ideally like to see a top power RB fall to the Steelers here, but that doens't look like it will happen. The Oline is an area of constant need for ALL NFL teams and depth is always a priority. However, I am still not sold on these young CBs that everyone else seems to love so much. They have sever lapses in coverage and don't posess the ture cover skills to go vs any real WR1s IMO. It's the blitz packages that the front 7 throws out to confuse QB and wreck timing that allows them to get away with things. Cromartie has the potential to be a game changer in the secondary IMO. The Steelers don't have a game changer at CB right now. I say roll the dice if he grades out very well.
 
And despite these good young corners, Mel thinks they take Cromarrtie?
I love Cromartie and think he will be a star in the NFL. He can play free safety or corner, but he missed the entire season. He claims to be 100% but couldn't get a medical clearance to play in the Orange Bowl. Considering some very good DBs have declared, and Cromartie is coming off ACL surgery, he has his work cut out for him to make the first round. But he is a very rare combo of height (6-3) and cover corner speed, quicks, athleticism. He's another guy who has to answer all the questions at the combine. I hope he isn't pushing himself too hard too fast, which has been suggested by FSU staffers.
Can he hit? In the Steelers defense, more than maybe any other in the NFL, the FS needs to be able to come up and make hits on sweeps and screens... also plays a role in making plays between the tackles. Hope makes some great hits from time to time, but also gets run over on occasion - I wonder if Cromartie is more stout - he does have better size and comes from the same collegiate program.
Well we didn't get to see him as a bigger stronger junior, so it's hard to say if he would be big hitter or not. He has built his upper body by adding 10 pounds. As a soph he was a very sure tackler at corner, but corners rarely get to make big hits. He was scouted as having an unusual ability (for a corner) to shed blocks with his long arms (like and LB) and make solid tackles. I really really like this guy by the way. If I'm right, he's better suited to using his coverage ability at corner, and I doubt he is drafted by Pittsburgh. They have addressed corner almost to the point of overkill. They are in position to take the best available. It's impossible to project who that will be after the 27th to 31st pick.
 
I believe Carolina Panthers will select either a RB or a WR in the draft.

With Foster's broken ankle and his already earned feelings of "brittle", I cannot see them keeping him around.

Also, Colbert did little at the spot opposite Steve Smith. Someone like Hagan would be a good fit.

I think they end up with Lawrence Maroney.
Carolina drafted Shelton last year. They likely keep Goings around. I'm not sold on them going RB. I could see WR but I could also see LB, as I don't think they'll be able to keep Witherspoon.
 
I believe Carolina Panthers will select either a RB or a WR in the draft.

With Foster's broken ankle and his already earned feelings of "brittle", I cannot see them keeping him around.

Also, Colbert did little at the spot opposite Steve Smith.  Someone like Hagan would be a good fit.

I think they end up with Lawrence Maroney.
Carolina drafted Shelton last year. They likely keep Goings around. I'm not sold on them going RB. I could see WR but I could also see LB, as I don't think they'll be able to keep Witherspoon.
If they had more faith in Shelton, they wouldn't have IR'd him when they did. And as the preseason wore on, they were less and less impressed with him.Goings is nothing more than a solid (admittedly, VERY solid) backup.

 
Who's Mel have going to the Giants? I'm guessing LB but it could also be secondary.
Ernie Sims.I don't know how much of this should be discussed? :confused:

For those of you who have been following the draft threads, you know I think a boatload of OLs are going in the first round. Also, if at least six don't go in round one, then I think there's some very foolish teams passing on these guys. Kiper has the least amount of first round OL (just 2) that I have seen in any mock to date. :confused:

 
Who's Mel have going to the Giants?  I'm guessing LB but it could also be secondary.
Ernie Sims.I don't know how much of this should be discussed? :confused:

For those of you who have been following the draft threads, you know I think a boatload of OLs are going in the first round. Also, if at least six don't go in round one, then I think there's some very foolish teams passing on these guys. Kiper has the least amount of first round OL (just 2) that I have seen in any mock to date. :confused:
I was surprised by that too.
 
He will make at least two more mocks and then still be wrong about plenty of players. There will be trading that he cannot account for.

I for one hope that the Titans stay away from Young and trade down.
Dont tell Colin you said that.
 
You were surprised by how few OL were projected in Kipers mock first round or you were surprised by the Giants selection of Sims?BTW, thanks for the PM.

 
I think Mel Kiper has the best job in the world. What he does is so easy. And their is no accountability if he's wrong. I've never tracked it, but I am positive that he has never once even gotten 50% of the first round right. Obviously with trades and things that he can't predict, getting what player will be taken by what team in what spot is a tough task, but honestly, you're telling me that any halfway informed message board poster on footballguys.com can't do as good of a job or better? How do i get that job?

 
He will make at least two more mocks and then still be wrong about plenty of players. There will be trading that he cannot account for.

I for one hope that the Titans stay away from Young and trade down.
Dont tell Colin you said that.
I think he knows - I've been harping OL, OL, OL since the first mock came out ;)
 
You were surprised by how few OL were projected in Kipers mock first round or you were surprised by the Giants selection of Sims?
The amount of OL. Over half the league could use upgrades at OL. This is an extraordinarily deep draft at OT. Nine tackles would/could have first round grades in any of the previous 5 years. The worst of these are very comparable to first rounders like Kwame Harris, George Foster, Vernon Carey, Shawn Andrews, Levi Jones, Marc Colombo, etc. In fact, I think most of the top nine are potentially better than those I just listed. The draft is about potential. Run blocking and pass protection are big needs across the league. I haven't been able to answer this question:

Does great depth at a position in the NFL draft work like supply and demand? Does the supply decrease the demand?

BTW, thanks for the PM.
:confused: Wrong guy.

 
The Texans could really, really help themselves with the draft this year.I didn't realize until recently that they have the first TWO picks in the 3rd too. Standing pat would work, but what if they packaged their 2nd rounder and one of their 3rds to move up in the first? Provided there was an impact player to do so for, of course.What if they ended up with Ferguson and Jean-Gilles, or another stud tackle? Texans faithful could be most pleased with a combo of Ferguson and one of Scott/Justice/McNeill/Winston, wouldn't they?Regardless, those two 3rd rounders could be gold to the Texans.

 
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He will make at least two more mocks and then still be wrong about plenty of players. There will be trading that he cannot account for.

I for one hope that the Titans stay away from Young and trade down.
Dont tell Colin you said that.
I think he knows - I've been harping OL, OL, OL since the first mock came out ;)
This is a classic exmple of my question. Would you rather have Young and Whitworth, or Ferguson and (???). There won't be anyone truly comparable to Young in the second. There could be someone quite comparable to Ferguson, and if not, then there certainly will be excellent OL upgrades available in round two and three. Also, the Titans are looking at some sweet compensatories, maybe two at the end of the third round. A couple centers and a couple guards could drop some very very good OL that far. Guys like Matua, Boothe, Sims, Setterstrom, Fitz, Leffew, Allen, Reddick, Butler, Stenovich, Strief. A few of those mid-round guys have huge upsides, and half of them (or more) could start as rookies. Fellas, I have been a draftnik for years. I have never followed the talent nearly as closely as I did this year. Never has there been this kind of OL talent in a draft. Any or even all of the eleven third tier guys I just listed could fall to the second day. Sheesh, I'm seeing Daryn Colledge being projected as a 3rd rounder lately. He measures almost identical to Ferguson and has been every bit as impressive this season.
 
Lendale White as a WCO back? I doubt it.
Lendale White is considered just a between the tackles back and gets no repsect for having good hands, but during workouts he will show them.
Yeah but Maroney has show his hands in games. White makes sense if they are making him a 1st and 2nd down RB, while Moore goes in on 3rd.
Maroney caught 17 passes for 170 yards and a TD. White caught 14 passes for 219 yards and 2 TDs. Further, it has long been known that LenDale is very comfortable catching the ball. He isn't much of a route runner, but he has solid hands and is very tough after the catch. Obviously, they featured Bush in the passing game, and this limited LenDale's opportunities. Maroney was a featured back, and he is NOT comfortable catching the ball. He had two key drops against Wisconsin, and Minnesota would often take him out and put Russell in on passing downs. Russell was the better blocker and receiver. Maroney can catch the ball, but he doesn't adjust well to throws that are even a little off.
Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken they threw more to him last year. I guess the point I should have made was my thought that Minny will go with a similar, local product over White. Not saying it's the best move, just that I could see it happening. Shouldn't have tied it to their hands. Thanks.
 
You were surprised by how few OL were projected in Kipers mock first round or you were surprised by the Giants selection of Sims?
The amount of OL. Over half the league could use upgrades at OL. This is an extraordinarily deep draft at OT. Nine tackles would/could have first round grades in any of the previous 5 years. The worst of these are very comparable to first rounders like Kwame Harris, George Foster, Vernon Carey, Shawn Andrews, Levi Jones, Marc Colombo, etc. In fact, I think most of the top nine are potentially better than those I just listed. The draft is about potential. Run blocking and pass protection are big needs across the league. I haven't been able to answer this question:

Does great depth at a position in the NFL draft work like supply and demand? Does the supply decrease the demand?

BTW, thanks for the PM.
:confused: Wrong guy.
Sorry for being vague, Kleck sent me the PM. He just raised simlar concerns over the lack of O-Line in Kipers mock.
 
He will make at least two more mocks and then still be wrong about plenty of players. There will be trading that he cannot account for.

I for one hope that the Titans stay away from Young and trade down.
Dont tell Colin you said that.
I think he knows - I've been harping OL, OL, OL since the first mock came out ;)
This is a classic exmple of my question. Would you rather have Young and Whitworth, or Ferguson and (???). There won't be anyone truly comparable to Young in the second. There could be someone quite comparable to Ferguson, and if not, then there certainly will be excellent OL upgrades available in round two and three. Also, the Titans are looking at some sweet compensatories, maybe two at the end of the third round. A couple centers and a couple guards could drop some very very good OL that far. Guys like Matua, Boothe, Sims, Setterstrom, Fitz, Leffew, Allen, Reddick, Butler, Stenovich, Strief. A few of those mid-round guys have huge upsides, and half of them (or more) could start as rookies. Fellas, I have been a draftnik for years. I have never followed the talent nearly as closely as I did this year. Never has there been this kind of OL talent in a draft. Any or even all of the eleven third tier guys I just listed could fall to the second day. Sheesh, I'm seeing Daryn Colledge being projected as a 3rd rounder lately. He measures almost identical to Ferguson and has been every bit as impressive this season.
Yes, this is a freak draft for OL and you're right about Colledge. As much as I like Ferguson's potential, being able to get Colledge in the 2nd round is very enticing. However, I can see him moving up to the 1st round with some good workouts.
 
Lendale White as a WCO back?  I doubt it.
Lendale White is considered just a between the tackles back and gets no repsect for having good hands, but during workouts he will show them.
Yeah but Maroney has show his hands in games. White makes sense if they are making him a 1st and 2nd down RB, while Moore goes in on 3rd.
Maroney caught 17 passes for 170 yards and a TD. White caught 14 passes for 219 yards and 2 TDs. Further, it has long been known that LenDale is very comfortable catching the ball. He isn't much of a route runner, but he has solid hands and is very tough after the catch. Obviously, they featured Bush in the passing game, and this limited LenDale's opportunities. Maroney was a featured back, and he is NOT comfortable catching the ball. He had two key drops against Wisconsin, and Minnesota would often take him out and put Russell in on passing downs. Russell was the better blocker and receiver. Maroney can catch the ball, but he doesn't adjust well to throws that are even a little off.
Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken they threw more to him last year. I guess the point I should have made was my thought that Minny will go with a similar, local product over White. Not saying it's the best move, just that I could see it happening. Shouldn't have tied it to their hands. Thanks.
Maroney's line from last year:Rush - 255/1413/10

Rec - 15/158/1

His numbers weren't as good as they could have been because his idiot head coach totally abused him with carries in a three game stretch in the middle of the season.

Mich - 36

Wisc - 43

OSU - 25

 
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Yes, this is a freak draft for OL and you're right about Colledge. As much as I like Ferguson's potential, being able to get Colledge in the 2nd round is very enticing. However, I can see him moving up to the 1st round with some good workouts.
I'm drafting a comprehensive review of the top nine tackles. I'll post it here when it's done (even though my sig is getting a few dozen daily referrals from you guys). I scanned the most current rankings from 13 top draft sites including premium content from legit NFL scouts, and this is how the consensus looks. In parentheses is the sum total of their rankings; the other numbers represent how they're ranked from the various sources. I just started this and haven't checked the math, so there could be errors. D'Brickashaw Ferguson (13) 1 Xs 13

Winston Justice (39) 2 3 2 2 5 5 2 2 7 5 2 3 3

Eric Winston (43) 3 3 4 3 3 2 6 4 2 2 4 5 2

Marcus McNeill (52) 4 4 3 6 2 3 4 5 4 3 6 4 4

Jonathan Scott (53) 5 5 5 4 4 5 3 3 4 3 2 6 4

Andrew Whitworth (80) 7 6 7 5 7 6 7 7 5 8 8 7

Ryan O'Callaghan (97) 6 9 6 9 6 7 3 9 9 7 9 8 9

Daryn Colledge (101) 8 7 9 7 8 9 9 6 6 6 5 6 7 8

Jeremy Trueblood (104) 9 8 8 8 9 8 8 8 8 9 7 9 5

After Ferguson there's little agreement on these guys. They are very hard to rank.

Justice ranges from 2nd to 7th.

Winston McNiell and Scott range from 2nd to 6th.

Whitworth from 5th to 8th.

O'Callaghan from 3RD to 9th. 3rd is Kiper, btw.

Colledge from 5th to 9th.

Trueblood, who is very good, from 5th to 9th.

Like I said, Colledge measures almost identical to Ferguson and has been just as impressive on film. In fact, I think he'll run a faster 40, get more reps on the bench, and be right with him in the other tests. Yet he ranks 8th according to this consensus? Hmm.

 
I believe Carolina Panthers will select either a RB or a WR in the draft.

With Foster's broken ankle and his already earned feelings of "brittle", I cannot see them keeping him around.

Also, Colbert did little at the spot opposite Steve Smith. Someone like Hagan would be a good fit.

I think they end up with Lawrence Maroney.
I know he had major problems with blitz pickup before going on IR, but do you think they've given up on Shelton already?
 
I believe Carolina Panthers will select either a RB or a WR in the draft.

With Foster's broken ankle and his already earned feelings of "brittle", I cannot see them keeping him around.

Also, Colbert did little at the spot opposite Steve Smith.  Someone like Hagan would be a good fit.

I think they end up with Lawrence Maroney.
I know he had major problems with blitz pickup before going on IR, but do you think they've given up on Shelton already?
Shelton had an injury and a bad camp/preseason. If a guy like Maroney is there at their spot, I think he'd have to be strongly considered.So, "give up" may be too strong, but I don't think he'll ever be their featured back.

 
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Lendale White as a WCO back? I doubt it.
Lendale White is considered just a between the tackles back and gets no repsect for having good hands, but during workouts he will show them.
Yeah but Maroney has show his hands in games. White makes sense if they are making him a 1st and 2nd down RB, while Moore goes in on 3rd.
Maroney caught 17 passes for 170 yards and a TD. White caught 14 passes for 219 yards and 2 TDs. Further, it has long been known that LenDale is very comfortable catching the ball. He isn't much of a route runner, but he has solid hands and is very tough after the catch. Obviously, they featured Bush in the passing game, and this limited LenDale's opportunities. Maroney was a featured back, and he is NOT comfortable catching the ball. He had two key drops against Wisconsin, and Minnesota would often take him out and put Russell in on passing downs. Russell was the better blocker and receiver. Maroney can catch the ball, but he doesn't adjust well to throws that are even a little off.
Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken they threw more to him last year. I guess the point I should have made was my thought that Minny will go with a similar, local product over White. Not saying it's the best move, just that I could see it happening. Shouldn't have tied it to their hands. Thanks.
Maroney's line from last year:Rush - 255/1413/10

Rec - 15/158/1

His numbers weren't as good as they could have been because his idiot head coach totally abused him with carries in a three game stretch in the middle of the season.

Mich - 36

Wisc - 43

OSU - 25
So he had actually had 2 LESS catches last year?? I've gotta stop drinking when I watch college games. :banned:
 
I'll die if Winston Justice lands in Miami...It's a dream pick... well, actually, trading our draft away to get Leinart is my dream, but Winston is a close 2nd.

 
I'll die if Winston Justice lands in Miami...

It's a dream pick... well, actually, trading our draft away to get Leinart is my dream, but Winston is a close 2nd.
My Dolphin draft day wish list . . .1. Cutler

2. Justice

3. Huff

 
He will make at least two more mocks and then still be wrong about plenty of players. There will be trading that he cannot account for.

I for one hope that the Titans stay away from Young and trade down.
Im giddy about the prospects of getting Young. I can't imagine anyone offering us enough to make trading down worthwhile.

 
Thanks for getting the thread deleted, did you bother to read why people were not posting this before you decided to?

:rant:
Having said that, since the list looks to be pretty crappy, we're not losing much if this thread is deleted.
 
And despite these good young corners, Mel thinks they take Cromarrtie?
I love Cromartie and think he will be a star in the NFL. He can play free safety or corner, but he missed the entire season. He claims to be 100% but couldn't get a medical clearance to play in the Orange Bowl. Considering some very good DBs have declared, and Cromartie is coming off ACL surgery, he has his work cut out for him to make the first round. But he is a very rare combo of height (6-3) and cover corner speed, quicks, athleticism. He's another guy who has to answer all the questions at the combine. I hope he isn't pushing himself too hard too fast, which has been suggested by FSU staffers.
Can he hit? In the Steelers defense, more than maybe any other in the NFL, the FS needs to be able to come up and make hits on sweeps and screens... also plays a role in making plays between the tackles. Hope makes some great hits from time to time, but also gets run over on occasion - I wonder if Cromartie is more stout - he does have better size and comes from the same collegiate program.
Well we didn't get to see him as a bigger stronger junior, so it's hard to say if he would be big hitter or not. He has built his upper body by adding 10 pounds. As a soph he was a very sure tackler at corner, but corners rarely get to make big hits. He was scouted as having an unusual ability (for a corner) to shed blocks with his long arms (like and LB) and make solid tackles. I really really like this guy by the way. If I'm right, he's better suited to using his coverage ability at corner, and I doubt he is drafted by Pittsburgh. They have addressed corner almost to the point of overkill. They are in position to take the best available. It's impossible to project who that will be after the 27th to 31st pick.
Fwiw, the reports I've seen through FSU sites say that AC has pretty much been ahead of schedule throughout his rehab, even early on. He is running and cutting and working out in Atlanta full-time prepping for the combine. I don't get the sense that people feel he's pushing himself too hard, too fast. If his knee holds, which it sounds like it should, he will test through the roof. 6'3" guys just don't have his hips. That'll go a long way to putting him in Rd 1.

 
I believe Carolina Panthers will select either a RB or a WR in the draft.

With Foster's broken ankle and his already earned feelings of "brittle", I cannot see them keeping him around.

Also, Colbert did little at the spot opposite Steve Smith.  Someone like Hagan would be a good fit.

I think they end up with Lawrence Maroney.
Carolina drafted Shelton last year. They likely keep Goings around. I'm not sold on them going RB. I could see WR but I could also see LB, as I don't think they'll be able to keep Witherspoon.
We should have kept Witherspoon instead of Morgan.
 
Please do not repost Mel's full list again. Since it's available as paid ESPN Insider content, we really have no business cut and pasting it here, even if they discussed it on tv. Long story short, ESPN has asked us not to post stuff like this . . .

 
Can someone just post it already (in a separate thread of course)? And please come up with a codeword or something so I don't confuse it with all of the amateur mocks.

TIA
Just because Kiper gets paid by ESPN doesn't make his mock any less amatuer then some of the ones here. He recently called Omar Jacobs a "likely 4th round prospect." Considering he has 3 QBs going in the top 10, seeing the next QB not go for a full 2 and 2/3 rounds is a little mind-boggling.
 
Also, the Titans are looking at some sweet compensatories, maybe two at the end of the third round.
For who? I didn't think guys that were cut while under contract (e.g., Mason, Rolle, Kevin Carter, Fred Miller) figured into the compensatory calculations. Who did they actually lose in free agency?
 
Can someone just post it already (in a separate thread of course)?  And please come up with a codeword or something so I don't confuse it with all of the amateur mocks.

TIA
Just because Kiper gets paid by ESPN doesn't make his mock any less amatuer then some of the ones here. He recently called Omar Jacobs a "likely 4th round prospect." Considering he has 3 QBs going in the top 10, seeing the next QB not go for a full 2 and 2/3 rounds is a little mind-boggling.
How can a guy who gets paid to do ONE thing by the largest sports network in the world be classified as an "amatuer" :confused: . You may not agree with his work, but the guy has been getting paid for 20 years to mock drafts and offer draft commentary.
 
Can someone just post it already (in a separate thread of course)?  And please come up with a codeword or something so I don't confuse it with all of the amateur mocks.

TIA
Just because Kiper gets paid by ESPN doesn't make his mock any less amatuer then some of the ones here. He recently called Omar Jacobs a "likely 4th round prospect." Considering he has 3 QBs going in the top 10, seeing the next QB not go for a full 2 and 2/3 rounds is a little mind-boggling.
How can a guy who gets paid to do ONE thing by the largest sports network in the world be classified as an "amatuer" :confused: . You may not agree with his work, but the guy has been getting paid for 20 years to mock drafts and offer draft commentary.
I think you might want to re-read Colin's comment. He said "Just because Kiper gets paid by ESPN doesn't make his mock any less amatuer then some of the ones here." Where did he classify Kiper as an amatuer?
 
How can a guy who gets paid to do ONE thing by the largest sports network in the world be classified as an "amatuer"  :confused: . You may not agree with his work, but the guy has been getting paid for 20 years to mock drafts and offer draft commentary.
How can a guy that misses on approximately 50% of his picks in a mock be considered professional?The one benefit that Kiper DOES provide is valuable information on the individual prospect. As far as guessing who goes where, I don't think he's any better than the rest of us.

 
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Also, the Titans are looking at some sweet compensatories, maybe two at the end of the third round. 
For who? I didn't think guys that were cut while under contract (e.g., Mason, Rolle, Kevin Carter, Fred Miller) figured into the compensatory calculations. Who did they actually lose in free agency?
Exactly. We have the same problem with Green Bay. Fans keep saying "We lost all these good players, we're going to get great comp picks" but Sharper and Whale were cut. If playing time is part of the super-secret formula, we won't even get that much for Rivera since he ended up on IR...
 
How can a guy who gets paid to do ONE thing by the largest sports network in the world be classified as an "amatuer"  :confused: . You may not agree with his work, but the guy has been getting paid for 20 years to mock drafts and offer draft commentary.
How can a guy that misses on approximately 50% of his picks in a mock be considered professional?The one benefit that Kiper DOES provide is valuable information on the individual prospect. As far as guessing who goes where, I don't think he's any better than the rest of us.
By definition he is a professional b/c he makes a living doing it. That doesn't make him any better than anyone else on that alone. However, I'm assuming ESPN is always looking for new talent, so if anyone here is that much better I'd fire the old resume off to Bristol pronto. We all know that FBG posters are pretty much the best at everything. I fully expect the cure for cancer to come from someone on this board.Mock drafts are an inexact science and I don't thing anyone can be expected to hit at too high of a %. There are too many factors involved. All it takes is one team throwing a curve to get the whole thing way off the projected course. However, I'd be surprised if anyone here can offer the comprehensive details and insights into ALL the members of the draft pool that Kiper can. Which brings us back to him being a professional and living and breathing this stuff.

 
Can someone just post it already (in a separate thread of course)?  And please come up with a codeword or something so I don't confuse it with all of the amateur mocks.

TIA
Just because Kiper gets paid by ESPN doesn't make his mock any less amatuer then some of the ones here. He recently called Omar Jacobs a "likely 4th round prospect." Considering he has 3 QBs going in the top 10, seeing the next QB not go for a full 2 and 2/3 rounds is a little mind-boggling.
How can a guy who gets paid to do ONE thing by the largest sports network in the world be classified as an "amatuer" :confused: . You may not agree with his work, but the guy has been getting paid for 20 years to mock drafts and offer draft commentary.
I think you might want to re-read Colin's comment. He said "Just because Kiper gets paid by ESPN doesn't make his mock any less amatuer then some of the ones here." Where did he classify Kiper as an amatuer?
Ok, he might not call him an amatuer, but he implies that his work is b/c he doesn't agree with his analysis of Omar Jacobs.And just b/c Kiper grades Jacobs a "4th round prospect", doesn't mean that's where he expects him to get drafted. I think Colin's logic is flawed.

 
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As far as mocks go, I don't think he is a whole lot better than what other draftniks come up with. What I do like about Kiper over the rest is that he is very knowledgable about each player and does a great job breaking them down. Kiper has been in the business for so long he has also acquired quite a few contacts throughout the NFL and does break stories on risers and fallers based on what he hears from these scouts and NFL personnel. By the time March and April roll around, his mock is less his own opinion and more on what he is hearing. Whether or not his mock proves to be the the most accurate for that year, he (along with other ESPN analysts) is still the primary source for NFL draft news.

 
By definition he is a professional b/c he makes a living doing it.
That's not at all my definition of a professional.
Mock drafts are an inexact science and I don't thing anyone can be expected to hit at too high of a %. There are too many factors involved. All it takes is one team throwing a curve to get the whole thing way off the projected course. However, I'd be surprised if anyone here can offer the comprehensive details and insights into ALL the members of the draft pool that Kiper can. Which brings us back to him being a professional and living and breathing this stuff.
That's what I said. I said he's no better a prognosticator than anyone else. But his research into the individual player prospects is unparalleled.
 
By definition he is a professional b/c he makes a living doing it.
That's not at all my definition of a professional.
Mock drafts are an inexact science and I don't thing anyone can be expected to hit at too high of a %. There are too many factors involved. All it takes is one team throwing a curve to get the whole thing way off the projected course. However, I'd be surprised if anyone here can offer the comprehensive details and insights into ALL the members of the draft pool that Kiper can. Which brings us back to him being a professional and living and breathing this stuff.
That's what I said. I said he's no better a prognosticator than anyone else. But his research into the individual player prospects is unparalleled.
I usually agree with you on a lot of stuff, but if don't see how he is a professional then I don't know what else to say. The guy makes his living scouting and prognosticating the future of NFL draft prospects for ESPN. That his how he makes his living, exclusively. What part of this doesn't make him a "professional"?
 
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