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Meltdown in Japan's Reactors (1 Viewer)

The situation at the crippled nuclear plant in Japan grows more dire as the U.S. nuclear agency chief says there is no more water in the spent fuel pool at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant.

National Regulatory Commission Chairman Gregory Jaczko did not say Wednesday how the information was obtained, but the NRC and U.S. Department of Energy both have experts on site at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex of six reactors.

He says officials believe radiation levels are extremely high, and that could affect workers' ability to stop temperatures from escalating. Without water, there's nothing to stop the fuel rods from getting hotter and ultimately melting down.

Read more: http://foxnews.com/world/2011/03/16/japans-uncertain-following-radiation-level-panic/#ixzz1Gnc3d0BI

 
'timschochet said:
So I'm driving around this morning flipping channels on the radio, as I always do, and I turn to the progressive station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that before this is over the radiation released is going to kill 55,000-60,000 people in Japan alone, from Leukemia, and that the number could be much higher. He also stated that nearly a million people died from Chernobyl, and that thousands who lived near Three Mile Island got cancer and died, though this was hushed up by the United States government. So then I switched to a conservatve station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that this situation, while serious, will not result in a single death to the public, and probably only a couple of deaths to the workers there now, who are not, despite media reports, risking their lives. He also stated that the situation was serious because of it's economic effects only, there was no risk to public health. I dunno. I guess both sides are repeating what they already believe?
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It's like that with almost every subject you can think of. Two sides can present radically different information and smart and educated people on both sides think that those that disagree with them are un-intelligent or not informed.Finding truth takes honesty sometimes.
 
'shader said:
'St. Louis Bob said:
'Beau Tocks said:
'St. Louis Bob said:
Holy ####. According to ABC Radio News they just declared a meltdown eminent.
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What would a meltdown actually mean?
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The report said they are going to evacuate Tokyo. :mellow:I can't find anything on the innernets though.
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Evacuate Tokyo? That would seriously be almost impossible and would cripple Japan.
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Which is why I said "Holy ####". The report had to be read incorrectly right? Right? Anybody else hear it?
 
I am very skeptical that ABC News said that Tokyo is being evacuated. It would take a week to evacuate Tokyo. And then where would the people go?

 
'St. Louis Bob said:
'Otis said:
'St. Louis Bob said:
'Beau Tocks said:
'St. Louis Bob said:
Holy ####. According to ABC Radio News they just declared a meltdown eminent.
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What would a meltdown actually mean?
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The report said they are going to evacuate Tokyo. :mellow: I can't find anything on the innernets though.
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WTF????
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:goodposting: :mellow:
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I'm seeing that the US and UK are urging that US and UK nationals should evacuate Tokyo, but I don't see anything anywhere about evacuating Tokyo period.
 
'Otis said:
I'm seeing that the US and UK are urging that US and UK nationals should evacuate Tokyo, but I don't see anything anywhere about evacuating Tokyo period.
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Meh - it would be like evacuating the Titanic - sure, some of the rich people are getting out, but for everyone else its already too late.
 
The operator of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown.

Tokyo Electric Power spokesman Naoki Tsunoda said early Thursday local time that the power line to Fukushima Dai-ichi is almost complete. Officials plan to try it "as soon as possible" but he could not say when.

Move along people...the party is over, we will now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 
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Official: Spent fuel rods exposed, heightening concerns

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What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The water served to both cool the uranium fuel and shield it. But once the uranium fuel was no longer covered by water, its zirconium cladding that encases the fuel rods heated, generating hydrogen, said Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.

That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."
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full article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1
 
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'Fennis said:
Official: Spent fuel rods exposed, heightening concerns

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What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The water served to both cool the uranium fuel and shield it. But once the uranium fuel was no longer covered by water, its zirconium cladding that encases the fuel rods heated, generating hydrogen, said Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.

That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."
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full article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1
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:(
 
'Fennis said:
Official: Spent fuel rods exposed, heightening concerns

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What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The water served to both cool the uranium fuel and shield it. But once the uranium fuel was no longer covered by water, its zirconium cladding that encases the fuel rods heated, generating hydrogen, said Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.

That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."
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full article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1
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Now this is scary/incredibly/gutwrenching.
 
'IvanKaramazov said:
'timschochet said:
So I'm driving around this morning flipping channels on the radio, as I always do, and I turn to the progressive station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that before this is over the radiation released is going to kill 55,000-60,000 people in Japan alone, from Leukemia, and that the number could be much higher. He also stated that nearly a million people died from Chernobyl, and that thousands who lived near Three Mile Island got cancer and died, though this was hushed up by the United States government. So then I switched to a conservatve station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that this situation, while serious, will not result in a single death to the public, and probably only a couple of deaths to the workers there now, who are not, despite media reports, risking their lives. He also stated that the situation was serious because of it's economic effects only, there was no risk to public health.
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Thanks for the update.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I'm just freaking SHOCKED he didn't start another thread for this.
 
'timschochet said:
So I'm driving around this morning flipping channels on the radio, as I always do, and I turn to the progressive station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that before this is over the radiation released is going to kill 55,000-60,000 people in Japan alone, from Leukemia, and that the number could be much higher. He also stated that nearly a million people died from Chernobyl, and that thousands who lived near Three Mile Island got cancer and died, though this was hushed up by the United States government. So then I switched to a conservatve station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that this situation, while serious, will not result in a single death to the public, and probably only a couple of deaths to the workers there now, who are not, despite media reports, risking their lives. He also stated that the situation was serious because of it's economic effects only, there was no risk to public health. I dunno. I guess both sides are repeating what they already believe?
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"Progressive station". :lmao:
 
I am on the side of rolling my eyes at the panic on this news: Stocks erase nearly all gains of year on renewed fears of nuclear meltdown in Japan

oh well time to buy

 
'timschochet said:
So I'm driving around this morning flipping channels on the radio, as I always do, and I turn to the progressive station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that before this is over the radiation released is going to kill 55,000-60,000 people in Japan alone, from Leukemia, and that the number could be much higher. He also stated that nearly a million people died from Chernobyl, and that thousands who lived near Three Mile Island got cancer and died, though this was hushed up by the United States government. So then I switched to a conservatve station, and there's an expert who states very firmly that this situation, while serious, will not result in a single death to the public, and probably only a couple of deaths to the workers there now, who are not, despite media reports, risking their lives. He also stated that the situation was serious because of it's economic effects only, there was no risk to public health. I dunno. I guess both sides are repeating what they already believe?
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When I was a student in Ballston Spa, there were kooks that would stand by the roadside handing out anti-nuclear pamphlets. Those pamphlets had some of the most ridiculous lies about the very place where I was learning/working. They would try to tell people that the cooling tower steam was "radioactive smoke" and other lies or incredibly misleading "facts". That may have been 2o years ago, but the anti-nuclear crowd to this day spout statistics and "facts" which are not just wrong, but irresponsible lies.Cancer rates around 3MI did not change...not one tiny bit. Chernobyl happened in a relatively isolated, sparcely populated area. There weren't millions of people even around to be exposed to anything.
 
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'Sinn Fein said:
The situation at the crippled nuclear plant in Japan grows more dire as the U.S. nuclear agency chief says there is no more water in the spent fuel pool at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant.

National Regulatory Commission Chairman Gregory Jaczko did not say Wednesday how the information was obtained, but the NRC and U.S. Department of Energy both have experts on site at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex of six reactors.

He says officials believe radiation levels are extremely high, and that could affect workers' ability to stop temperatures from escalating. Without water, there's nothing to stop the fuel rods from getting hotter and ultimately melting down.

Read more: http://foxnews.com/world/2011/03/16/japans-uncertain-following-radiation-level-panic/#ixzz1Gnc3d0BI
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:rolleyes: Spent fuel can't melt down. SOMETHING is in error in this story.
 
'Otis said:
'Fennis said:
Official: Spent fuel rods exposed, heightening concerns

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What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The water served to both cool the uranium fuel and shield it. But once the uranium fuel was no longer covered by water, its zirconium cladding that encases the fuel rods heated, generating hydrogen, said Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.

That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."
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full article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1
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Now this is scary/incredibly/gutwrenching.
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:goodposting: Seriously, the last few days I've been thinking of a particular episode of The West Wing where this scenario occurred. I'd do one of my regular "Life imitates..." posts, but not when it's this tragic an event.

 
Again...."Meltdown" is a fairly ambiguous term which should not be interepreted to automatically mean the "end of the world as we know it".

Also....spent fuel pools can be bone dry for days, perhaps weeks on end with no long term hazards to anybody. Decay heat generation from fuel more then a few weeks from actual use is very VERY low. The water in these pools isn't nearly as much for cooling as it is for SHEILDING. IN other words, these pools being dry causes high radiation levels, but NOT RELEASE OF THE SOURCES OF THE RADIATION TO THE ENVIRONMENT. That is a crucial distinction. This radiation is only a problem insomuch as it interferes with the ability of personnel to get near and deal with the real problems in the (recently) working reactor.

Ironically, nuclear groups have long questioned the wisdom of retaining so much spent fuel at the same site as the operating plants, but environmental groups have blocked virtually every attempt to find a suitable long-term storage facility.

 
I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?

 
'renesauz said:
Again...."Meltdown" is a fairly ambiguous term which should not be interepreted to automatically mean the "end of the world as we know it".

Also....spent fuel pools can be bone dry for days, perhaps weeks on end with no long term hazards to anybody. Decay heat generation from fuel more then a few weeks from actual use is very VERY low. The water in these pools isn't nearly as much for cooling as it is for SHEILDING. IN other words, these pools being dry causes high radiation levels, but NOT RELEASE OF THE SOURCES OF THE RADIATION TO THE ENVIRONMENT. That is a crucial distinction. This radiation is only a problem insomuch as it interferes with the ability of personnel to get near and deal with the real problems in the (recently) working reactor.

Ironically, nuclear groups have long questioned the wisdom of retaining so much spent fuel at the same site as the operating plants, but environmental groups have blocked virtually every attempt to find a suitable long-term storage facility.
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in Japan?
 
I was under the impression yesterday that we have not seen sustained radiation at levels that would be severely damaging. Has that changed?

 
'Slapdash said:
I was under the impression yesterday that we have not seen sustained radiation at levels that would be severely damaging. Has that changed?
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I don't think anyone really knows since the top US nuclear guy basically said himself in today's testimony that he doesn't know since TEPCO hasn't been that forthcoming to the Japanese government.
 
'Incogneto said:
I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
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Thank you.The Dodds response to this thus far has been "Oh, sorry Otis, why don't we go play wiffle ball on the lawn at the plant!"

:wall:

 
'General Malaise said:
'Dr. Gobbler said:
Can we panic yet?
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I was going to clip my nails tonight. But now? I'm giving up. I didn't even wipe 20 minutes ago.THE END IS NIGH!!!!!!!!!!Cytokine!!
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If I have learned anything from comic books, and I think I have, it is that prior to being belted by gamma rays one might wish to make very careful life choices as your immediate temperment and physical condition at the time will help dictate your mutation and super powers. Do you really want to be atomic swamp butt man?

Me. I'm going to try to have a raging boner when the rays hit me.

 
'Otis said:
'Fennis said:
Official: Spent fuel rods exposed, heightening concerns

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What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The water served to both cool the uranium fuel and shield it. But once the uranium fuel was no longer covered by water, its zirconium cladding that encases the fuel rods heated, generating hydrogen, said Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.

That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."
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full article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1
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Now this is scary/incredibly/gutwrenching.
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Very.And yet someone like Gilbert Godfried would probably find a kamikazie joke in there somewhere.

 
The 8pm Hysteria Hour with Eliot Spitzer just started on CNN. This coverage us unreal. All Spitzer keeps talking about is the "horror story scenario we have been predicting for days." The language is incredibly strong. He has this one moron with the drawl who keeps providing analysis of the nuclear scenario. Every now and then he has to concede that the things he's discussing "likely won't happen," but they are spending so much time stirring up a panic.

Sadly it's working, because here I am like a schmuck tuning in on the off chance they say something legitimate.

I'm embarrassed.

 
'Giant Wooden Badger said:
'Otis said:
'Fennis said:
Official: Spent fuel rods exposed, heightening concerns

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What we believe at this time is that there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the fuel pool," Gregory Jaczko told a House energy and commerce subcommittee hearing. "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool, and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The water served to both cool the uranium fuel and shield it. But once the uranium fuel was no longer covered by water, its zirconium cladding that encases the fuel rods heated, generating hydrogen, said Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and a former official with the Department of Energy.

That caught fire, resulting in a situation that is "very, very serious," he told CNN. He said the next solution may involve nuclear plant workers having to take heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."
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full article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1
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Now this is scary/incredibly/gutwrenching.
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Very.And yet someone like Gilbert Godfried would probably find a kamikazie joke in there somewhere.
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That's his job.
 
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