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Meltdown in Japan's Reactors (1 Viewer)

I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
Thank you.The Dodds response to this thus far has been "Oh, sorry Otis, why don't we go play wiffle ball on the lawn at the plant!"

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I sent you a PM.
oh oh.THIS. JUST. GOT. SERIOUS!
It did. Oh well. I won't address his posts in here anymore.
 
I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
Thank you.The Dodds response to this thus far has been "Oh, sorry Otis, why don't we go play wiffle ball on the lawn at the plant!"

:wall:
I sent you a PM.
oh oh.THIS. JUST. GOT. SERIOUS!
It did. Oh well. I won't address his posts in here anymore.
So it's limited to just this thread?
 
'bueno said:
'Biabreakable said:
I said that the price of uranium and uranium stocks are likely to fall, while oil is likely to rise. It means I sell uranium stock (assuming I own any at the moment) and buy oil stock. Hardly a vested interest - it could affect my stock trades but nothing more. If I was going to short uranium stocks do you think I would be exagerating the potential dangers? Do you really think that? :rolleyes:
You know I really don't care what you do with your money. I appreciate your knowledge on the subject and that's all good and well. I don't have the capatilistic savvy that you have, and am just an average Gov't worker and won't ever be rich and I am fine with that. I certainly didn't think about my portfolio and if I had one I still wouldn't mention it after this kind of calamity.
I didn't mention portfolios until you implied that I had a vested interest in minimizing the danger. The original post I made was in response to someone wondering how energy policy would be affected. The response was that uranium would drop while oil prices would rise. You took that as me having a vested interest where one didn't exist. Bottom line is I don't have a vested interest in minimizing the danger, because if I chose to, I could make money either way. Not that what I say on a message board would affect that markets anyway - Dodds portfolio ain't that big! I am however, mildly insulted that you implied I was using my specific knowledge of nuclear science (dated as it may be) for personal gain here.
I do not know what your motivations on this may be. But in only reading a small portion of this thread it becomes clear that you have an agenda that does not include serious consideration of the problem. Your telling people this is no big deal and to put their heads in the sand. What motivates you to do this? :confused: In any case it is not good science whatever it is your selling. How about we take the problem as serious as possible and resolve it before playing politics?
My concern is that some people are over-reacting based on poor information and mis-information. My knowledge on the subject is somewhat dated. I did an internship at a nuclear facility in college, worked for a while early in my career for United Nuclear and then later in my career worked in uranium mining until 3MI killed the industry. I have said all along that my knowledge was dated, and have deferred to wilked or rennauz, but of who have more current experience. Sandeman is proving his lack of knowledge with every post and the the other people more knowledgeable than I have demonstrated it repeatedly here.I am not meaning to convey the sense that this is no big deal, just not the end of the world kind of scenario that many, including the MSM are portraying it. I have a respect for nuclear power and the danger it poses whereas others, including the Big DD, seem to be reacting out of fear. I also know that I have been exposed to at least as much radiation in my short career in that field as the people living around the plant, with no ill effects. Because I worked in the industry, I know how low exposure levels are set relative to the actual danger.In short, the danger is being blown out of proportion, just as it was at 3MI. This is what I am trying to convey. If you want to really look for a political agenda out of me, it is a concern that this situation will adversely affect the future of power generation in the entire world, much as the over-reaction to 3MI did 30 years ago. This is not to say this is not a serious problem that needs correcting, but it is to say that large swaths of Japan will not be made unlivable by this incident (though that land may be put off limits by a political decision), that thousands will not die (just like they did not at 3MI) and there is no real need to rush out and buy potassium iodine.Do I have a vested interest? Other than I think we need nuclear power for our energy needs, no. The reason I try to be the voice of reason here is likely motivated by that opinion. So be it. Do I own uranium stocks? Yeah, I own three. One of them, MAW.TO was up yesterday, the other 2 FSY.TO and SUR.V were down. But I also own GSM which is involved in manufacturing silica for use in solar panels (I believe solar energy will never be economic) and REE, AVL.TO, and UCU.V which are in the rare earth element business (needed for wind turbines and electric vehicles), plus NEM.TO which manufactures magnetic powders necessary for wind turbines (among other uses) - this even though I believe electric cars and wind energy won't solve our energy problem. I also own shares in Talison, which manufactures lithium required for batteries that will power electric cars - again even though I think electric cars are a red herring. So my financial decisions are not driven by politics. As I said earlier, if I wanted to make money off this I would be shorting uranium stocks, not trying to participate in a discussion on a message board.And people will give me ####, because they always do when I post fragments of my resume. Doesn't bother me.So if you can find a political motive behind my postings, you probably think you can find unicorns and tooth fairies too. It ain't there. If you don't like it, put me on ignore.
I didn't ask for your life story but as you like to talk about yourself thanks for answering the question about your motivation.I am CBRN certified doesn't mean I think I know jack about this.The best thing I have read that makes me somewhat optimistic is that core temperatures should be reduced by 50% after the 1st week after shut down. So time is our friend.
 
I've missed the past few threads. Is Dodds looking less crazy yet?
No, but I think Fennis is joining him.
Ham-Dodds-Fennis sort of makes a formidable trio.
so how would you categorize this Otis? Completely safe to play wiffle ball near the site? The government has set up an 18 mile perimeter. We now know that spent rods were stored above these reactors and we have footage where at least two of these tops have blown off in hydrogen explosions meaning these rods are exposed. We have seen fires, explosions and the Japanese officials themselves agreeing to some level of of meltdown and containment breach. People are seeing increased radiation levels 100s of miles away at sea, in Tokyo, etc. The people in charge sent all of their people, but 50 home. The government has declared an "Article 15" cutting off all communication with the press and prohibiting any disclosure of info from the nuclear protection agencies, etc. so what does all that mean to you? Would you freak out if a dirty nuclear bomb exploded in NYC? Would you be cool if something like that happened in your backyard, but the government refused to tell you the truth to the radiation levels you are experiencing?
Set us up the Japanese wiffle ball draft?
 
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By the way, CNN has that stupid BREAKING NEWS thing rolling at the bottom of the TV all day long. All it says is that people are "concerned" and "things are getting worse." How is it breaking news if it's been exactly the same situation for 4 days?

 
I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
Thank you.The Dodds response to this thus far has been "Oh, sorry Otis, why don't we go play wiffle ball on the lawn at the plant!"

:wall:
I sent you a PM.
oh oh.THIS. JUST. GOT. SERIOUS!
It did. Oh well. I won't address his posts in here anymore.
You must be joking.
 
Fios is offering the Japanese news channel feeds as a preview this week. I should check it out.
Nice. I've got FiOS. What channel?Edited to add -- I just hit the button on the controller and saw the same message you must have. Popped up and mentioned it is on Channel 1770. :thumbup:
 
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I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
Thank you.The Dodds response to this thus far has been "Oh, sorry Otis, why don't we go play wiffle ball on the lawn at the plant!"

:wall:
I sent you a PM.
oh oh.THIS. JUST. GOT. SERIOUS!
It did. Oh well. I won't address his posts in here anymore.
You must be joking.
What, is Dodds throwing his iweight around? If so, pretty lame. If not and he merely explained this is all just a fishing trip to drum up site traffic, then :thumbup:
 
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I leave for Beijing on April 20. Should I be worried?
Unless things change drastically for the worse, it is my understanding that the amount of radiation you receive on that long flight will be greater than any member of the Japanese public, excluding the plant employees, receives as a result of this accident. Experts can correct me if I am wrong about this.
 
This effort to drop water on the reactors from the helicopters is pretty pathetic. It looks like what would happen if there were a small fire on the ground and I poured a cup of water down there from 20 stories up.

 
I leave for Beijing on April 20. Should I be worried?
Unless things change drastically for the worse, it is my understanding that the amount of radiation you receive on that long flight will be greater than any member of the Japanese public, excluding the plant employees, receives as a result of this accident. Experts can correct me if I am wrong about this.
Not sure there are any experts on what is happening here.
 
This effort to drop water on the reactors from the helicopters is pretty pathetic. It looks like what would happen if there were a small fire on the ground and I poured a cup of water down there from 20 stories up.
They may as well just get the local volunteer fire department to shoot their hoses in through the roof.
 
Otis - you keep complaining how awful CNN is and wonder how the folk there got jobs. Yet you keep watching. C'mon now.
I'm watching American Idol now, guy :thumbup:I'll tune in for Spitzer at 8pm each night just to see how absurd it is. But I just don't have the staying power.
 
This effort to drop water on the reactors from the helicopters is pretty pathetic. It looks like what would happen if there were a small fire on the ground and I poured a cup of water down there from 20 stories up.
They may as well just get the local volunteer fire department to shoot their hoses in through the roof.
I think that's the next plan. Srsly.
I read earlier that local FD was the next option.
 
This effort to drop water on the reactors from the helicopters is pretty pathetic. It looks like what would happen if there were a small fire on the ground and I poured a cup of water down there from 20 stories up.
They may as well just get the local volunteer fire department to shoot their hoses in through the roof.
I think that's the next plan. Srsly.
Gotta be more effective than dumping mist on it from 500 feet.
 
This effort to drop water on the reactors from the helicopters is pretty pathetic. It looks like what would happen if there were a small fire on the ground and I poured a cup of water down there from 20 stories up.
People are so negative here. :thumbdown: The only way to turn this thing around is for everyone around the world to think good positive thoughts. We need to cheer on the courages Meltdown Fighters and not post pictures of caca hitting the fan! :hot:
 
I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
"The only rule that ever made sense to me I learned from a history, not an economics, professor at Wharton. "Fear," he used to say, "fear is the most valuable commodity in the universe." That blew me away. "Turn on the TV," he'd say. "What are you seeing? People selling their products? No. People selling the fear of you having to live without their products." #######' A, was he right. Fear of aging, fear of loneliness, fear of poverty, fear of failure. Fear is the most basic emotion we have. Fear is primal. Fear sells."
 
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110316/NEWS/303160141/Japanese-nuclear-workers-like-suicide-fighters-war-

FUKUSHIMA, Japan — The 180 emergency workers at Japan's crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi complex are emerging as public heroes in the wake of a disaster spawned by an earthquake and a tsunami.

Facing the possibility of fire, explosions and radiation, the technicians were ordered back to work late Wednesday after a surge of radiation forced them to leave their posts for hours.

“I don't know any other way to say it, but this is like suicide fighters in a war,” said Keiichi Nakagawa, associate professor of the Department of Radiology at the University of Tokyo Hospital.

Small teams of the still-anonymous emergency workers rush in and out for 10 to 15 minutes at a time to pump sea water into the plant's overheated reactors, monitor them and clear debris from explosions. Any longer would make their exposure to radioactivity too great.

Even at normal times, workers wear coveralls, full-face masks with filters, helmets and double-layer gloves when they enter areas with a possibility of radiation exposure. Some of them carry oxygen tanks so they don't have to inhale any radioactive particles into their lungs.

The highest radiation reading among various locations that had to be accessed by the workers hit 600 millisieverts, equal to several years of daily exposure limit, according to statistics released by Tokyo Electric Power Co.

Many countries have an emergency limit of 100 millisieverts a year. Yet on Wednesday, Japan's Ministry of Health Labor and Welfare raised the maximum legal exposure for nuclear workers to 250 millisieverts. It described the move as “unavoidable due to the circumstances.”

The workers' challenges this week have included struggling for hours to open a pressure-release valve and allow water to enter the reactors. When a worker left the scene for a short period, the water flow ceased and fuel for pumps bringing up the water ran out.

A building housing a spent fuel storage pool exploded at one point, making two huge holes on the upper side of the building.

 
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110316/NEWS/303160141/Japanese-nuclear-workers-like-suicide-fighters-war-

FUKUSHIMA, Japan — The 180 emergency workers at Japan's crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi complex are emerging as public heroes in the wake of a disaster spawned by an earthquake and a tsunami.

Facing the possibility of fire, explosions and radiation, the technicians were ordered back to work late Wednesday after a surge of radiation forced them to leave their posts for hours.

“I don't know any other way to say it, but this is like suicide fighters in a war,” said Keiichi Nakagawa, associate professor of the Department of Radiology at the University of Tokyo Hospital.

Small teams of the still-anonymous emergency workers rush in and out for 10 to 15 minutes at a time to pump sea water into the plant's overheated reactors, monitor them and clear debris from explosions. Any longer would make their exposure to radioactivity too great.

Even at normal times, workers wear coveralls, full-face masks with filters, helmets and double-layer gloves when they enter areas with a possibility of radiation exposure. Some of them carry oxygen tanks so they don't have to inhale any radioactive particles into their lungs.

The highest radiation reading among various locations that had to be accessed by the workers hit 600 millisieverts, equal to several years of daily exposure limit, according to statistics released by Tokyo Electric Power Co.

Many countries have an emergency limit of 100 millisieverts a year. Yet on Wednesday, Japan's Ministry of Health Labor and Welfare raised the maximum legal exposure for nuclear workers to 250 millisieverts. It described the move as “unavoidable due to the circumstances.”

The workers' challenges this week have included struggling for hours to open a pressure-release valve and allow water to enter the reactors. When a worker left the scene for a short period, the water flow ceased and fuel for pumps bringing up the water ran out.

A building housing a spent fuel storage pool exploded at one point, making two huge holes on the upper side of the building.
Wow! These guys are heroic! Thoughts and prayers to them and their families. I hope none of these guys or their families have to ever pay taxes again.
 
'Rovers said:
Cooper should never ever leave the sudio again. In one of his first broadacats from Japan, he was freaking out after an explosion. "Oh, is it safe here? Should we pull back? Am I in danger here?" Panic in his voice. Since then all he does is stammer and stutter. He can't put a coherent sentence together. Go home Anderson.
God Cooper sounds absolutely awful again tonight. "Uh uh uh, um um, uh and uh and uh, ya know." You're supposed to be a professional. Pull it together.
 
I can't believe the fear-mongering that goes on in the US media.

Did CNN really interview Hiroshima survivors and ask them about radiation exposure?
"The only rule that ever made sense to me I learned from a history, not an economics, professor at Wharton. "Fear," he used to say, "fear is the most valuable commodity in the universe." That blew me away. "Turn on the TV," he'd say. "What are you seeing? People selling their products? No. People selling the fear of you having to live without their products." #######' A, was he right. Fear of aging, fear of loneliness, fear of poverty, fear of failure. Fear is the most basic emotion we have. Fear is primal. Fear sells."
I need to work this into my business model somehow.
 
We don't know if these guys are really going to lose their lives. Hopefully, it's an overstated risk, and they won't.

But if they do lose their lives over this, it should be noted that this is an aspect of the Japanese culture that goes back over a thousand years: the willingness of individuals to sacrifice their lives for what they believe is a greater good, or simply because that is their giri- duty and fate. This is embedded deep into Shinto beliefs, as exemplified by the Samurai willing to slit their bellies, and the Kamikaze pilots who killed themselves in order to damage the United States Navy.

There are certainly examples of bravery and sacrifice in other cultures, including ours. But it doesn't approach the Japanese, IMO.

 

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