Serenity Now
Footballguy
Looks like Moss passed the physical so it's official.
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:MERGED: Moss to the Patriots (1 Viewer)
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Jim Otto
Footballguy
Good riddance.
I think Moss can and will be top 5 Wr next year. I also think he was a team cancer in Oakland. I think the guy can and will be a strong pressence on and off the field with the change to playing in NE.I also think it is typical that the press and fans are all coming out of the wood work now to show his leaderhip skills, talent and team player attitude. (using clips from his Raider days no less). Funny how people paint the picture they want others to see with such brilliant colors and expect us to forget all the other pictures that have been painted and shown to us. I guess the next two months will be fun, digging out old posts form all the new Moss lovers and compare to what they had to say in the past. Same with the new Moss haters.Why can't the guy have been a cancer but now a great acquisition? I think both are true.
massraider
Footballguy
Fantastic move by the Pats. Where's the downside? If he's a jerky, they cut him. The potential payoff, for a 4th round pick? Unreal. Power move by this team.
Happy to get rid of him, but hate that he may help the Pats to a title. Pats should be prohibitive favorites this year.
Happy to get rid of him, but hate that he may help the Pats to a title. Pats should be prohibitive favorites this year.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
OK, this will be last thoughts on the subject because we're getting nowhere here. I think this is a lot like Corey Dillon leaving a god-awful franchise for a solid one. You don't.1. Dillon made the decision to say in Cinci only because he had no decision. The year he was a free agent, he talked all year and basically up until the minute he finally signed the contract about how he couldn't wait to get out of town. The only reason he stayed is because of a deflated market where he couldn't get any money. The Bengals would pay him when nobody else would.1. My point was and still is, Dillon made the decision to stay in Cinci. Dillon even had good things to say about Cicni. Moss never did either.2. . I didn't realize you know Dillon's motivation for signing his contract so well. Did he tell you this himself? If not, then I have a feeling getting paid the highest contract in Bengal history might have been the motivation. That's my opinion, and you have yours. Both are opinions, and I'll stick with the $$$$.Not true.Dillon signed a new deal because as a RB in his late 20's, the only option was to go where he could get paid. In a horrible market for RBs that season, the Bengals were the only team that would show him the money.Big difference. Dillon signed a new deal (and he was an UFA) the year before he was dealt . Dillon shocked everyone that he would sign the contract. Moss never wanted to play in Oakland>>??????. Dillon continued to play on the field, Moss quit on the field and bragged about quitting.Moss is a huge talent and I'd prefer he wanted to be on the Raiders, re-structure and go out and play. He would do none of those three things, so he needed to go, period.Spoken like a Bengals fan after ridding themselves of Corey Dillon a few years ago.Hooray! Addition by subtraction.
Not only that, but your claim that Dillon continued to play on the field is false. This is one of the problems many Bengals' fans and talking heads had with Dillon that last season in Cincinnati. He wouldn't take the field because he was suffering from a groin pull...and a player's injury always ends up being more painful for the player than the fans. They can't understand not playing through a sore groin because it's tough to get injured sitting on your couch.
Dillon's last season in Cincinnati was very similar to Moss' last season in Oakland. There was absolutely a perceived lack of effort involved as well as a questioning of the willingness to play through injuries. All of this was played out in the larger background of a inept, clueless operation by the franchise.
3. As for performing on the field. Dillon had two, 1300+ yard rushing seasons after he signed his contract. These seasons where on horrible putrid teams that the ownership was being flambayed in the national press for the "no talking bad about the team" clause they where having ALL their players sign. Dillon still went out and performed. What do you need for performance beyond 3100+ yards in his last 3 seasons? His last season he was hurt and did only have 500 yards rushing, but up to that injury the guy was performing. Was Dillon stating publicly and in his actions on the field that he wasn't playing hard because he was unhappy? Dillon played poorly in his last year, did he brag about it being because he was unhappy or did he show frustration due to being hurt legit and taking so much negative press from his team ownership and the fans? Who's to say (I'm sure you can tell us exactly what he was doing and his reasons for doing so though) Moss never performed for the Raiders and started giving up about 6-8 games into the first season.
Unfortunately I have to agree with your last statement, especially the last sentence. It seems to be changing this year though in Oakland and thus the need to send Moss packing.
2. Dillon had good things to say about Cinci? I don't know, possibly once or twice something positive slipped out. But his track record in Cincinnati is filled with outbursts about the franchise, including his famous "I'd rather being flipping burgers than playing for the Bengals" line. This was a player who stayed in Cincinnati only because there were no other options. He said as much himself on several occasions.
3. I don't care what Dillon or Moss did or didn't do before their final seasons with their old inept franchises. My comparison was in leaving an untenable situation and heading to an ideal one.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
Yes, he passed and the trade is official
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I don't think Moss is nearly the WR he once was. Still, I think he is immediately the best wr on the team, and is going to help that entire offense: particularly the running game. Previously, NE had no wr's that demanded a double team, and safeties could spy. If you leave Moss, Stallworth and Welker (against your nickel corner) in man, Brady will complete a high percentage of his passes. As you spread the field more to account for them, Maroney should shine.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Pretty much sums it up right here.
Tau837
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
Agreed.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
New England had 9 picks on day 2 of the draft.
Now they have 8 picks and Randy Moss.
WOW.
Now they have 8 picks and Randy Moss.
WOW.
massraider
Footballguy
Yahoo Sports is saying the deal includes a 2008 #1.
Boneheads.
Boneheads.
massraider
Footballguy
How dare you diss John Bowie? He's part Champ Bailey, part Mike Haynes, but better. Steal of the draft!
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
Oakland is rebuilding. They dont care if the Pats win the superbowl. They know they arent going to win it this year anyways. The Raiders havent been able to sign the big name free agents this year because of their cap. Better to get young players now and free up next year's cap space.
Great deal for the Pats but the Raiders did what had to be done. As soon as Russell can grasp the pro game, Oakland should be competative again. Mike Williams isnt near as good as Randy Moss but he's younger and cheaper. McCown gives them the veteran mentor every rookie QB needs. Oakland will also get another veteran out of the deal eventually due to the cap relief. The Pats were able to redo Moss's contract because they have a contending team. Oakland needs to build a competative team through the draft first so that they can attract free agents who want a ring instead of free agents who just want a payday.
Great deal for the Pats but the Raiders did what had to be done. As soon as Russell can grasp the pro game, Oakland should be competative again. Mike Williams isnt near as good as Randy Moss but he's younger and cheaper. McCown gives them the veteran mentor every rookie QB needs. Oakland will also get another veteran out of the deal eventually due to the cap relief. The Pats were able to redo Moss's contract because they have a contending team. Oakland needs to build a competative team through the draft first so that they can attract free agents who want a ring instead of free agents who just want a payday.
JayMan
Footballguy
Brady spreads the ball over the course of a season because the biggest mismatches change from game to game... Belichik won't be afraid to not throw the ball once to Moss if he's constantly double-covered and that means that Watson or Welker or Stallworth goes for 11-212-2...That being said, it only shows that FF owners of these players will have to be extra-careful (has it has been in the past) before inserting a Pat in their starting lineup... just recall the Dillon/Maroney headaches last year... or the Givens/Branch/Brown tough calls before that... or even the 53 Brady pass attempts last year in Minnesota because of their stellar run defense...
fsufan
Footballguy
I bet Moss said the same thingGood riddance.
Spike
Footballguy
That might be the only part about this that negatively impacts Maroney. Man, it looks good for him next season!
I disagree. I think the Pat's wr corp will make it impossible to cover everyone + open up the field for Maroney.He is going to run wild.
TheGreatest
Footballguy
I think this actually helps Stallworth. He will never have to be worried about double teams now. ala R. Wayne, TJ "Whos your mama"...........
Spike
Footballguy
Very well put.
Spike
Footballguy
prefontaine
Footballguy
This is exactly what I was thinking. Wherever Moss has been, he has commanded double teams over the top. He has made the running game hugely successful because of it.
twistd
Footballguy
I would liken this to Rodman playing for the Bulls. He needed to be in a situation where he was surrounded by strong personalities. And in a situation where he had a chance to win a championship. I believe that Moss has lost a step, but he can still be a very good player. And on this team they now have a group of receivers that are very good. They don't need Moss to carry the load. I believe that Moss creates more problems when the team is heavily reliant on him. He is just a piece of the puzzle here. If he causes problems they won't hesitate to launch him and he knows it. This is a very good move for the Patriots, but there are very few teams that could have done this. I think the Packers might have been able to do it because of Farve, but not very many teams have the veteran leadership to deal with this.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
Reaction from another former bad-boy Rodney Harrison:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...action_to_moss/
Patriots get a new teammate
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | April 29, 2007
FOXBOROUGH --Safety Rodney Harrison is one of the unquestioned leaders in the Patriots' locker room. His thoughts on the team's acquisition of receiver Randy Moss?
At the same time, Harrison acknowledged there is some risk in the move.
"I've always said, if he comes in, doesn't work hard and acts like a primma donna, it's not going to work," he said. "But if he puts the team first and works hard, he has the talent to do special things for us. It comes down to the small things, and buying into what we're all about here."
From a defensive perspective, Harrison knows well about the type of problems Moss can create.
"As I've said before, there aren't many cornerbacks who can stick him man-to-man," he said. "That is going to help us out, because teams usually have to roll the safety to stop him and that can open things for the other guy. And then you consider we have the best quarterback in the league."
Harrison believes Moss's situation mirrors Corey Dillon's from 2004, when Dillon was acquired by the Patriots after struggling in a losing situation in Cincinnati. He also sees similarities to his own situation from 2003, after he was let go by the Chargers and signed with the Patriots.
"When Corey Dillon came in, everyone thought he was an outlaw. He proved otherwise. When I came in, everyone thought I was an outlaw, ruthless. I think I proved otherwise," Harrison said.
"Let's get a chance to know the guy before we make any judgments. If he comes in and is selfish, there are going to be problems. But if he has the right attitude, it will be huge for us."
Defensive lineman Ty Warren, another leader in the Patriots' locker room, also reacted to the news.
"What I've witnessed is that he's a proven impact player. If Bill [belichick], [scott] Pioli and [Robert] Kraft are willing to have him on the team, I'm willing to have him on the team, too," Warren said. "Obviously, they do their research. They know where we're trying to go with things. Every move is part of a plan to get to the big dance and this year, they obviously feel he can be part of the puzzle of where we want to go."
© Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...action_to_moss/
Patriots get a new teammate
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | April 29, 2007
FOXBOROUGH --Safety Rodney Harrison is one of the unquestioned leaders in the Patriots' locker room. His thoughts on the team's acquisition of receiver Randy Moss?
At the same time, Harrison acknowledged there is some risk in the move.
"I've always said, if he comes in, doesn't work hard and acts like a primma donna, it's not going to work," he said. "But if he puts the team first and works hard, he has the talent to do special things for us. It comes down to the small things, and buying into what we're all about here."
From a defensive perspective, Harrison knows well about the type of problems Moss can create.
"As I've said before, there aren't many cornerbacks who can stick him man-to-man," he said. "That is going to help us out, because teams usually have to roll the safety to stop him and that can open things for the other guy. And then you consider we have the best quarterback in the league."
Harrison believes Moss's situation mirrors Corey Dillon's from 2004, when Dillon was acquired by the Patriots after struggling in a losing situation in Cincinnati. He also sees similarities to his own situation from 2003, after he was let go by the Chargers and signed with the Patriots.
"When Corey Dillon came in, everyone thought he was an outlaw. He proved otherwise. When I came in, everyone thought I was an outlaw, ruthless. I think I proved otherwise," Harrison said.
"Let's get a chance to know the guy before we make any judgments. If he comes in and is selfish, there are going to be problems. But if he has the right attitude, it will be huge for us."
Defensive lineman Ty Warren, another leader in the Patriots' locker room, also reacted to the news.
"What I've witnessed is that he's a proven impact player. If Bill [belichick], [scott] Pioli and [Robert] Kraft are willing to have him on the team, I'm willing to have him on the team, too," Warren said. "Obviously, they do their research. They know where we're trying to go with things. Every move is part of a plan to get to the big dance and this year, they obviously feel he can be part of the puzzle of where we want to go."
© Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
This is a no brainer for New England. Hate the Pats or not, this was a world class fleecing. The Raiders just gave up Randy Moss for Josh McCown and Mike Williams effectively. Classic example of an excellent franchise taking advantage of a seriously flawed one.
el centro
Footballguy
I don't know how many of you read Bill Simmons aka The SportsGuy, but his piece on the Moss trade was - as usual - spot-on! Here is his analogy:
Here is the article.
