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:MERGED: *** Official T.O. thread *** (1 Viewer)
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seahawk 17
Footballguy
Count me off. If Owens can't be happy playing with McNabb, he is going to blow up Bledsoe.
Bledsoe gets worse every year. I think Bledsoe is top 7 in the league throwing INT's this season, and Owens will freak about never getting the ball, and the team losing.
I also think that Owens dosen't make it 16 games. Someone will try to take him out.
Bledsoe gets worse every year. I think Bledsoe is top 7 in the league throwing INT's this season, and Owens will freak about never getting the ball, and the team losing.
I also think that Owens dosen't make it 16 games. Someone will try to take him out.
Thanks Bagger. Good discussion. So in your opinion, is it Bledsoe that will be the cause?I would bet you do not do your own projections as you would realize what a joke this statement is.
I don't think TO will be top 5. Top 10 likely, but not top 5.
In Bledsoe's career he has never thrown for 30 TDs and only 4,300+ yards twice. Now that he is in his 14th season he'll do both? Bledsoe has also never been in the top 3 in terms of fantasy QB.
Gotta love the Shark Pool hyperbole.
Sort of a Randy Moss / Kerry Collins thing?
J
Gopher State
Footballguy
Save me a seat for this band wagon, I want on 
T.O. will lead all WR's in 06
T.O. will lead all WR's in 06
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I know it is great to make outlandish statements but this is a little overboard. It is very difficult for a QB to make the HOF no matter how good their numbers are unless they win a SB. There are exceptions such as Marino.Bledsoe does not have enough Pro Bowls or any All Pro years to point at to make his case. I dont see Owens changing that even though the current crop of NFC QB's is weak.
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
McNabb never had a decent #1 WR. McNabb would have done that with any number of WRs, not just TO. By contrast, Bledsoe did have good WRs over the course of his career. Also, McNabb is in the prime of his career, Bledsoe at the end.Before TO went to Philly, McNabb had never:1) Thrown for 30 TDs (career high 25)
I don't think TO will be top 5. Top 10 likely, but not top 5.
In Bledsoe's career he has never thrown for 30 TDs and only 4,300+ yards twice. Now that he is in his 14th season he'll do both? Bledsoe has also never been in the top 3 in terms of fantasy QB.
Gotta love the Shark Pool hyperbole.
2) Thrown for 3800 yards (career high 3300)
3) Ranked top 3 fantasy QBs (best finish was 5th)
4) Had a 60% completion rate (career high 58.5)
He did all of that and more once he got TO as a #1 WR.
A lot of why McNabb was so valuable in terms of fantasy QB was running stats compared to Bledsoe who can't run at all.
Apples meet oranges.
I also liked the random benchmarks you picked for McNabb to achieve.
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
That's part of it but a bigger part is that there are a few other WRs I who are in better situations than TO who will likely outperform him. Bledsoe will be part of the cause, but I also don't see that Dallas offense putting up a lot of points in general.We have a situation where a WR has a bad attitude, been out of the top 10 two of the last three years, has a QB at the end of his career, and is on an offense that was not in the top 10 in either TDs or yards. TO can definitely boost those #s, but he's not going to propel an average offense into a top 3 machine with Bledsoe at the helm, especially when there are other WRs on other offenses who are better.Thanks Bagger. Good discussion. So in your opinion, is it Bledsoe that will be the cause?
I don't think TO will be top 5. Top 10 likely, but not top 5.
In Bledsoe's career he has never thrown for 30 TDs and only 4,300+ yards twice. Now that he is in his 14th season he'll do both? Bledsoe has also never been in the top 3 in terms of fantasy QB.
Gotta love the Shark Pool hyperbole.
Sort of a Randy Moss / Kerry Collins thing?
J
He'll have a good year, but top 3? I doubt it.
Thanks Bagger.Who do you like better here?
J
Running with scissors
Stark Raving Sane
olYeah, lets start as many TO threads as possible
You can take the TO out of tool but you can't take the tool out of TO.
SickThing
Footballguy
Seems like the real point of this thread is whether or not TO "loses it" to the point of stirring troubles by the end of his first Cowboys season, not whether he has the skills and opportunity. I think TO sitting out a big portion of last season will cause him to control himself better for at least one whole season. But I also agree with others who stated that this lesson may fade and we witness the revert to the real TO in 2007.
I think the Cowboys entire offense will improve and the only thing that might keep TO from being a top 5 WR is an abundance of other options. However I'm still looking for him to make top 5 anyway, at least in a TD heavy league.
What surprises me the most of this thread so far is that
isn't abundantly used yet. TO himself said have the ready because it's going to be a show. I just feel sorry for those fans who change their mind and fall in love with the big show this season only to have their hearts broken by the spoiled brat that shows his real self by the time that his Cowboys contract has ended.
I think the Cowboys entire offense will improve and the only thing that might keep TO from being a top 5 WR is an abundance of other options. However I'm still looking for him to make top 5 anyway, at least in a TD heavy league.
What surprises me the most of this thread so far is that
isn't abundantly used yet. TO himself said have the ready because it's going to be a show. I just feel sorry for those fans who change their mind and fall in love with the big show this season only to have their hearts broken by the spoiled brat that shows his real self by the time that his Cowboys contract has ended.
5Rings
Lurker
Anybody hear Drew Pearson on sirius this morning?
He was not a happy camper with Dallas signing TO, err, "Terrell".
He talked about the changing landscape of the NFL, and how the NFL "harbors" guys like Owens. Said the Cowboys were in the situation where they felt the guy could help them win, "morals & ethics be-damned". Thought this was a pretty strong statement.
When asked point blank about if he liked the signing, he said "No". Talked about how he and the guys before him put pride in wearing the star on the helmet, how they did things a certain way, and how Owens signing made him a bit angry. He also spit out "he's an ex-49er and an ex-eagle" like it was a bad thing.
I heard this on the way to work 5 hours ago, so this is the best I can remember it, but Pearson was pretty unhappy.
He was not a happy camper with Dallas signing TO, err, "Terrell".
He talked about the changing landscape of the NFL, and how the NFL "harbors" guys like Owens. Said the Cowboys were in the situation where they felt the guy could help them win, "morals & ethics be-damned". Thought this was a pretty strong statement.
When asked point blank about if he liked the signing, he said "No". Talked about how he and the guys before him put pride in wearing the star on the helmet, how they did things a certain way, and how Owens signing made him a bit angry. He also spit out "he's an ex-49er and an ex-eagle" like it was a bad thing.
I heard this on the way to work 5 hours ago, so this is the best I can remember it, but Pearson was pretty unhappy.
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From a fantasy standpoint, I think TO is in for a great season. I will be drafting him pretty high this year.From the standpoing of helping the Cowboys make the playoffs and get to the Super Bowl, I'm not sure. He'll have to have genuinely changed his attitude. Which is of course possible, but no sure thing. I think a lot of people underestimate how contagious attitude is. Get Junior Seau on your team, and the next thing you know half the team will have their butts in the weight room every day at 6 am to try to keep up with him. Get Ryan Leaf on your team, and the whole team will have problems staying focused because every question every player gets from every reporter will be about Leaf's latest blowup in front of the cameras, not about football.As an Eagles fan, I loathe this signing. Because Joe is exactly right, TO [if healthy] is going to tear it up for Big D.
TO has the tendency to be a distraction. But if he shuts up and focuses on playing good football, he'll win games. It's up to him.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
I'm guessing Drew hasn't been watching much football these last few years...Anybody hear Drew Pearson on sirius this morning?
He was not a happy camper with Dallas signing TO, err, "Terrell".
He talked about the changing landscape of the NFL, and how the NFL "harbors" guys like Owens. Said the Cowboys were in the situation where they felt the guy could help them win, "morals & ethics be-damned". Thought this was a pretty strong statement.
When asked point blank about if he liked the signing, he said "No". Talked about how he and the guys before him put pride in wearing the star on the helmet, how they did things a certain way, and how Owens signing made him a bit angry. He also spit out "he's an ex-49er and an ex-eagle" like it was a bad thing.
I heard this on the way to work 5 hours ago, so this is the best I can remember it, but Pearson was pretty unhappy.
...or much else for that matter. He's out of touch. I used to really enjoy the "quiet warrior" types who went about their business with as little fanfare as possible. Score, hand ball to ref, jog off to sideline like you've done it 10 thousand times before.But that ship has long since sailed. For better or worse. Personally I now enjoy endzone antics. It's the displays after simple catches, runs, or tackles that irks me...a little.
I'm not having my head explode over the "new school" ESPN highlight reel driven athletes of today. It's not even their fault. It's come to be expected of them.
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Yes, I'm not questioning TO's work ethic. I'm questioning his attitude (is he a team-first guy or a me-first guy?) and his ability to keep from being a distraction.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I'm not, for the record. I am not an Owens basher by any means. However, I just don't think he is going to have the kind of numbers he did in Philly before he got hurt. This is just a gut feeling, but I think Parcells knows this is his last year, or maybe has one more year left after 2006. That being said, I think he likes the way his defense is shaping up, and I just have a feeling Parcells is going to try and grind it out again this year, play solid defense and run, run, run.
Don't get me wrong, I think Owens is one of the best WR's in the game. I just don't think he is going to grab 6-9 balls a week. And when that game comes along where he gets no catches or someone else gets the only TD pass or something along those lines, he is going to blow up. I don't think he can help it.
So put me down for "not" in the Joe sweepstakes.
cowboyz
Footballguy
steve young explained it as the lose of veterans and front office guidance. so i'll go with that.TO will be great all 3 seasons.If TO's upbringing is responsible for this behavior and he's not able to control it on his own, then why is it that we never saw this behavior in 1996-1999 or so?
people forget, even with all the turmoil last year, TO was great. the only thing that stopped him was the benching. JJ and Parcells are going to keep playing him. JJ will feed his ego. Parcells will motivate TO to show he can produce even when there's turmoil. Parcells benches people who can't perform, not trouble makers.I truly believe TO's problems was not about money. it was being on par with mcnabb which wasn't possible and getting the respect from his super bowl performance, which for the eagles front office was his money upfront. In dallas, there is no one. roy williams won't steal the spotlight from TO. plus, every year he gets a bonus. only potential, is that future wrs will earn more.
Also, Parcells doesn't give a damn about what people think of his playcalling. although, i think there's one instance where keyshawn wanted the ball. he called it, and keyshawn scored. so if TO wants it, and scores he'll get it more. if he screws up, ball gets intercepted, fumbled. Parcells will throw it back in his face.
Lastly, Parcells is no dumby. he plays the media. the media does not play him. so send all the reporters you want, he's not saying anything he doesn't want to say.
Warren Moon never came close to winning a Super Bowl and he got in on the first ballot. Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl and he got in on the first ballot. Marino is hardly an exception here. Drew Bledsoe currently has 4 Pro Bowl appearances...the same exact number that Jim Kelly had in his career. If TO has a positive impact in Dallas and on Bledsoe's numbers (he already threw for 3600+ yards and 23 TDs last year with Keyshawn so a bump up to 3900 yards and 27 TDs with TO seems like a realistic possibility), he'll probably get another invite or two to Hawaii over the next couple years.I don't personally think Bledsoe deserves to make it in, but he is going to wind up with huge career numbers once his career is finished if he gets to play 2 or 3 more years with Owens. He's already the 7th ranked QB in terms of career passing yards. He only needs 8000 yards to pass John Elway and become #3 all-time. His TD numbers are less impressive, but he's currently tied for 13th with 244. If he can get just 57 more, he'll pass Elway again (and Moon, Unitas, and Montana) to become top-5 all-time. You think a guy who has thrown for the 3rd most yards and 5th most TDs in NFL history won't get some HOF consideration?
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acefootball
Footballguy
Found this little tidbit on TO, thought it was humorous.
As you may have noticed, Terrell Owens is no longer keeping a low profile.
He is now a Dallas Cowboy. So he has the platform to mock his previous employer, the Philadelphia Eagles, in a variety of media.
For instance, he posted a rap on his web site.
“When it comes to this game, I’m the best in the field, some said I was gonna sign just a one-year deal, but I got what I wanted up front, 10 mil, changed the rules of the game, so now how you feel?”
“I got a brand new team, I am a Cowboy now, no more black and green, to the haters that said I’m not going to get my money, I’m laughing in your face, ha ha, that’s funny,” the rap continued.
Yeah, well, don’t give up your day job. Your rapping skills aren’t exactly Ludacris.
Also, T.O. has a new book coming out in July: “Ineligible Receiver: The Real Story of My Journey from the Super Bowl to the Sidelines.”
This should be a big hit among readers who enjoy nagging toothaches and chronic back pain.
“Finally, the real T.O. story can be told,” Simon & Schuster executive David Rosenthal said. “It’s an important chapter in the long-term struggle for players’ rights in the NFL.”
Great. So now he believes he is Norma Rae
No word on whether ESPN plans a new reality show about T.O. first season in Dallas, but you can bet that came up in meetings at the Worldwide Leader.
Heres the link to his website, rap starts up after a few seconds...........
http://www.terrellowens.com/
As you may have noticed, Terrell Owens is no longer keeping a low profile.
He is now a Dallas Cowboy. So he has the platform to mock his previous employer, the Philadelphia Eagles, in a variety of media.
For instance, he posted a rap on his web site.
“When it comes to this game, I’m the best in the field, some said I was gonna sign just a one-year deal, but I got what I wanted up front, 10 mil, changed the rules of the game, so now how you feel?”
“I got a brand new team, I am a Cowboy now, no more black and green, to the haters that said I’m not going to get my money, I’m laughing in your face, ha ha, that’s funny,” the rap continued.
Yeah, well, don’t give up your day job. Your rapping skills aren’t exactly Ludacris.
Also, T.O. has a new book coming out in July: “Ineligible Receiver: The Real Story of My Journey from the Super Bowl to the Sidelines.”
This should be a big hit among readers who enjoy nagging toothaches and chronic back pain.
“Finally, the real T.O. story can be told,” Simon & Schuster executive David Rosenthal said. “It’s an important chapter in the long-term struggle for players’ rights in the NFL.”
Great. So now he believes he is Norma Rae
No word on whether ESPN plans a new reality show about T.O. first season in Dallas, but you can bet that came up in meetings at the Worldwide Leader.
Heres the link to his website, rap starts up after a few seconds...........
http://www.terrellowens.com/
kingmalaki
Footballguy
I hate the Cowgirls, but even I don't see how they bought "history". Didn't Deion win with the 49ers before he came to Dallas? I guess they bought history too.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Hi bagger,Do you happen to know the last time Owens was outside the top ten in PPG? Or the last time Chambers was in the top ten in PPG? Thanks,Seems like it is the TO Kool Aid to me.
BF
T
trader jake
Guest
one small point which has been missed, forgotten, or discounted numerous times in this thread...
drew bledsoe has already WON a super bowl ring
tom brady was the starter, but without bledsoe's contribution off the bench against pitt in the playoffs that championship may not have been won by new england
drew bledsoe has already WON a super bowl ring
tom brady was the starter, but without bledsoe's contribution off the bench against pitt in the playoffs that championship may not have been won by new england
good point and one most people often forget (same with Priest Holmes winning in Baltimore). Bledsoe also took them there as the starter when they lost to Green Bay so he's gone twice while Moon never came close and Marino only went once. If Bettis was a lock (which many people believed) even before winning the Super Bowl this year...Bledsoe will probably be in a similar situation 2 or 3 years from now based purely on the career numbers he'll have compiled. And, if Owens can help rejuvenate his career and put the Cowboys back in the playoffs/Super Bowl contention, he could certainly strengthen his case with another Pro Bowl or two. I'm not sure why Pat Patriot thinks it's such an outlandish statement to suggest that Owens could help Bledsoe's HOF resume.
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
Who cares about PPG if your total points are out of the top 10?PPG is a great stat for bye week fill in guys and breakout potential, but for TO you will be overpaying for his hype.Hi bagger,Do you happen to know the last time Owens was outside the top ten in PPG? Or the last time Chambers was in the top ten in PPG? Thanks,Seems like it is the TO Kool Aid to me.
BF
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