Miami Dolphins owner-Stephen Ross...what you see in Week 1 is directly a result of his leadership as an owner (1 Viewer)

[Desert_Power]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

 

[Todem]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

Unfortunately it needs to be gutted to the studs.

 

[SoBeDad]

Miami Herald writer extraordinaire Barry Jackson with a full assault on owner Stephen Ross for sticking with Grier. He also questions McDaniel's decisions and coaching ability. Ross is the anti-Jerry Jones, staying out of GM decisions - except for Brady tampering.

Is it: Time for Dolphins' Ross to pay attention, become better steward of franchise

 

[Desert_Power]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

Unfortunately it needs to be gutted to the studs.

Tua looked washed last year and the wasted an entire offseason.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

Unfortunately it needs to be gutted to the studs.

We did that already

 

[SoBeDad]

Every game going forward is a must-lose game. I'm worried about next week home versus the Patriots. Tua had almost never lost to them. I hope it's not too hot at Hard Rock for the Patriots at 1pm.

We also have 2 third round picks and 2 forth round picks in the 2026 draft to go along with whatever Hill and Waddle might bring in a trade.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Every game going forward is a must-lose game. I'm worried about next week home versus the Patriots. Tua had almost never lost to them. I hope it's not too hot at Hard Rock for the Patriots at 1pm.

We also have 2 third round picks and 2 forth round picks in the 2026 draft to go along with whatever Hill and Waddle might bring in a trade.

Vegas has the fish favored. Unfortunately (if you want to go 0-16) the Pats' safeties are a joke, so I expect Hill and Waddle to go off.

 

[SoBeDad]

Vegas has the fish favored. Unfortunately (if you want to go 0-16) the Pats' safeties are a joke, so I expect Hill and Waddle to go off.

Las Vegas Raiders with Bowers, Mayer, Meyers, Jeanty, Tucker, and Thornton is a decent group of receivers with an above average QB. Too early to say how bad NEs defense might be. Gino did miss a wide open Thornton for what should've been a 61 yard TD - who got faked out?

 

[General Malaise]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

Unfortunately it needs to be gutted to the studs.

I kinda thought you were being unfairly harsh to Miami, Tua, the coaches, etc during the off-season but man.....like a stock pick, you nailed this one early. What a desultory defeat.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

McDaniel will be fired during the season, replaced by promotion of an assistant (Anthony Weaver, Frank Smith, or Darrell Bevell). Then after the season Ross will hire Jesse Minter as HC. Checks all 3 boxes that Ross seems to desire : spent time at Michigan, coached under Jim Harbaugh, and coached under John Harbaugh. Plus he will be cheaper than the big-name candidates.
Probably replaces Grier will someone from the Ravens front office.

 

[Ironman2131]

I'm just tired. It's been almost 25 years since the team won a playoff game and even longer since the team has been a true contender. For me, that cutoff is a 12+ win season, and the Fins haven't won 12 games in the regular season since 1990, a whopping 35 years. The team hasn't won 12+ games and its own division since 1985, 40 years ago.

Time and time again the team's leadership goes for the shortcut in team building. Focusing on skill position guys in big trades and with bigger contracts. At this point, everything needs to be burnt to the ground. Trade anyone with value who isn't on a rookie deal or an extreme bargain (and even then, be willing to trade them for the right price). Eat contracts and take dead money for a year or two if need be. Get in a new GM and rebuild from the ground up. Suck for a few years if need be. Being bad with a plan is better than being bad with an overpriced roster and no path to contention.

 

[Todem]

I'm just tired. It's been almost 25 years since the team won a playoff game and even longer since the team has been a true contender. For me, that cutoff is a 12+ win season, and the Fins haven't won 12 games in the regular season since 1990, a whopping 35 years. The team hasn't won 12+ games and its own division since 1985, 40 years ago.

Time and time again the team's leadership goes for the shortcut in team building. Focusing on skill position guys in big trades and with bigger contracts. At this point, everything needs to be burnt to the ground. Trade anyone with value who isn't on a rookie deal or an extreme bargain (and even then, be willing to trade them for the right price). Eat contracts and take dead money for a year or two if need be. Get in a new GM and rebuild from the ground up. Suck for a few years if need be. Being bad with a plan is better than being bad with an overpriced roster and no path to contention.

Yes this.

A complete tear down to the studs from the front office, scouting department to every coach, trade anything of value no on a rookie deal, cut the rest (and Tua will be a cut as no one will ever trade for that ridiculous, reckless brain dead contract).

This is the way.

 

[Todem]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

Unfortunately it needs to be gutted to the studs.

We did that already

And we are going to do it yet again. With a completely different front office, coaching staff, scouting departments etc.

 

[Todem]

Really is inexcusable that he lets a squad this unfit be built. It was clear last year the team was on the wrong path and they made no positive changes.

Unfortunately it needs to be gutted to the studs.

I kinda thought you were being unfairly harsh to Miami, Tua, the coaches, etc during the off-season but man.....like a stock pick, you nailed this one early. What a desultory defeat.

I was throwing my hands up high in the air the moment I heard Tua’s name on draft night 2020.

That draft was so incompetent it made me become a Chargers fan on the spot. I wanted Justin Herbert, Jamar Chase the following year etc etc etc. I wanted Taylor (RB) in 2020, wanted Justin Jefferson too. All were there for the taking.

Grier is a complete hack. I don’t even understand or comprehend how this guy is a GM…..utter hot garbage.

Brian Flores was furious we took Tua and not Herbert…..and I assure you Marino did not want Tua either. But all he represents is a figure head from our glory years. Yeah he never won the big one….so what. Loved watching him play and always had hope we could win…..83-85 and 90-95 we were in the mix…..but since?

Utter garbage.

Even Jimmy’s years were rough here. It never worked save for a very strong defense being built.

Passing on Brees not once….but twice.

We can go on all day about our fraudulent franchise and the braindead “new generation” of Dolphins fans down here. They are clueless fans. Utterly clueless on what winning football and real deal players look like.

But hey the tailgate scene is second to non at Hard Rock Stadium lol…..

 

[rockaction]

I don't want to be a jerk in a thread full of Miami fans but there is no way Miami is favored over Las Vegas. I think they're counting on the West Coast flying East for that sort of mistake.

The Dolphins and the Panthers seemed to clearly be the worst teams in the NFL this past weekend. The Dolphins have been melting down since training camp. It's been crazy. The coach after the game? I said it in another thread—I like the coach. I would have fired him on the spot and made him pay for his own flight home.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't want to be a jerk in a thread full of Miami fans but there is no way Miami is favored over Las Vegas. I think they're counting on the West Coast flying East for that sort of mistake.

The Dolphins and the Panthers seemed to clearly be the worst teams in the NFL this past weekend. The Dolphins have been melting down since training camp. It's been crazy. The coach after the game? I said it in another thread—I like the coach. I would have fired him on the spot and made him pay for his own flight home.

-Miami opened as a 2 pt favorite over the Patriots this week

 

[Desert_Power]

Yeah, Todem has been out on Tua for a long time. It was pretty clear when he came back last year that something was wrong though.

 

[rockaction]

I don't want to be a jerk in a thread full of Miami fans but there is no way Miami is favored over Las Vegas. I think they're counting on the West Coast flying East for that sort of mistake.

The Dolphins and the Panthers seemed to clearly be the worst teams in the NFL this past weekend. The Dolphins have been melting down since training camp. It's been crazy. The coach after the game? I said it in another thread—I like the coach. I would have fired him on the spot and made him pay for his own flight home.

-Miami opened as a 2 pt favorite over the Patriots this week

Yeah, I've been reading all night and this morning and screwed up who their opponent was. That's a function of little rest.

Heh. The Patriots are going to beat them also. I don't say that to be antagonizing, either. There's always a team that quits on their coach and organization about midway through the year. You guys have sped up the timeline by two months or so.

I haven't quite seen much like it in a decade or so.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Coincidentally just stumbled across this thread as I was having a text conversation with a buddy who is in a very dark place at the moment (for the record; I'm not a Dolphin fan but live in Miami).

Here's the question I asked him:

Assuming we are indeed heading to the end of this Dolphins era, what do you think was the turning point? Drafting Tua over Herbert? Spending all the Lance draft picks on veterans like Hill and Chubb instead of drafting guys on rookie contracts? Or is the whole org so dysfunctional that they were inevitably going to screw things up, even with good coaches like Flores and McD?

Is there anything you can point to and say, if they had zigged instead of zagged, things might have been completely different? Or was a team run by Ross inevitably going to end up here?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't want to be a jerk in a thread full of Miami fans but there is no way Miami is favored over Las Vegas. I think they're counting on the West Coast flying East for that sort of mistake.

The Dolphins and the Panthers seemed to clearly be the worst teams in the NFL this past weekend. The Dolphins have been melting down since training camp. It's been crazy. The coach after the game? I said it in another thread—I like the coach. I would have fired him on the spot and made him pay for his own flight home.

-Miami opened as a 2 pt favorite over the Patriots this week

Yeah, I've been reading all night and this morning and screwed up who their opponent was. That's a function of little rest.

Heh. The Patriots are going to beat them also. I don't say that to be antagonizing, either. There's always a team that quits on their coach and organization about midway through the year. You guys have sped up the timeline by two months or so.

I haven't quite seen much like it in a decade or so.

I knew what you meant but I think we play the Raiders sometime soon, thought maybe you were just looking ahead
You always get the benefit of the doubt from me

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Miami Dolphins need to clean house right away and then Billionaire-Stephen Ross needs to fly into Chapel Hill and pay the remainder of whatever the buyout is in NC and save those folks from embarrassment since Bill is clearly not built for college football and bring Belichick back with him to South Florida, Jordan can come too

At least Miami would be well coached, don't let Belichick anywhere near the GM/Front Office, nobody else wanted him so he won't rebuff the Phins PLUS PLUS PLUS...
-You might have heard he has an axe to grind with Kraft and the Patriots, this would give him a chance twice a year to try and beat them
Belichick recently BANNED all Patriots Scouts from UNC Campus, they're not welcome there

It couldn't get any worse than it is right now

 

[rockaction]

The Miami Dolphins need to clean house right away and then Billionaire-Stephen Ross needs to fly into Chapel Hill and pay the remainder of whatever the buyout is in NC and save those folks from embarrassment since Bill is clearly not built for college football and bring Belichick back with him to South Florida, Jordan can come too

At least Miami would be well coached, don't let Belichick anywhere near the GM/Front Office, nobody else wanted him so he won't rebuff the Phins PLUS PLUS PLUS...
-You might have heard he has an axe to grind with Kraft and the Patriots, this would give him a chance twice a year to try and beat them

It couldn't get any worse than it is right now

Yeah it could be. You could do what you're suggesting. That might light the entire organization on fire.

 

[Desert_Power]

Coincidentally just stumbled across this thread as I was having a text conversation with a buddy who is in a very dark place at the moment (for the record; I'm not a Dolphin fan but live in Miami).

Here's the question I asked him:

Assuming we are indeed heading to the end of this Dolphins era, what do you think was the turning point? Drafting Tua over Herbert? Spending all the Lance draft picks on veterans like Hill and Chubb instead of drafting guys on rookie contracts? Or is the whole org so dysfunctional that they were inevitably going to screw things up, even with good coaches like Flores and McD?

Is there anything you can point to and say, if they had zigged instead of zagged, things might have been completely different? Or was a team run by Ross inevitably going to end up here?

It's the yacht meeting after the 2019 season. Ruins the momentum Flores built and led to them taking Tua (whom Flores never liked).

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Miami Dolphins need to clean house right away and then Billionaire-Stephen Ross needs to fly into Chapel Hill and pay the remainder of whatever the buyout is in NC and save those folks from embarrassment since Bill is clearly not built for college football and bring Belichick back with him to South Florida, Jordan can come too

At least Miami would be well coached, don't let Belichick anywhere near the GM/Front Office, nobody else wanted him so he won't rebuff the Phins PLUS PLUS PLUS...
-You might have heard he has an axe to grind with Kraft and the Patriots, this would give him a chance twice a year to try and beat them

It couldn't get any worse than it is right now

Yeah it could be. You could do what you're suggesting. That might light the entire organization on fire.

-Like I said, couldn't be any worse. At least the family would be entertained by the fireworks show

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Coincidentally just stumbled across this thread as I was having a text conversation with a buddy who is in a very dark place at the moment (for the record; I'm not a Dolphin fan but live in Miami).

Here's the question I asked him:

Assuming we are indeed heading to the end of this Dolphins era, what do you think was the turning point? Drafting Tua over Herbert? Spending all the Lance draft picks on veterans like Hill and Chubb instead of drafting guys on rookie contracts? Or is the whole org so dysfunctional that they were inevitably going to screw things up, even with good coaches like Flores and McD?

Is there anything you can point to and say, if they had zigged instead of zagged, things might have been completely different? Or was a team run by Ross inevitably going to end up here?

It's the yacht meeting after the 2019 season. Ruins the momentum Flores built and led to them taking Tua (whom Flores never liked).

You are correct, he met Brady there I believe
Sean Payton became part of the story later on.
Had Brady gone to the Phins, he wanted Payton to be the HC and that was the plan until it wasn't

 

[Desert_Power]

Coincidentally just stumbled across this thread as I was having a text conversation with a buddy who is in a very dark place at the moment (for the record; I'm not a Dolphin fan but live in Miami).

Here's the question I asked him:

Assuming we are indeed heading to the end of this Dolphins era, what do you think was the turning point? Drafting Tua over Herbert? Spending all the Lance draft picks on veterans like Hill and Chubb instead of drafting guys on rookie contracts? Or is the whole org so dysfunctional that they were inevitably going to screw things up, even with good coaches like Flores and McD?

Is there anything you can point to and say, if they had zigged instead of zagged, things might have been completely different? Or was a team run by Ross inevitably going to end up here?

It's the yacht meeting after the 2019 season. Ruins the momentum Flores built and led to them taking Tua (whom Flores never liked).

You are correct, he met Brady there I believe
Sean Payton became part of the story later on.
Had Brady gone to the Phins, he wanted Payton to be the HC and that was the plan until it wasn't

Yeah. And it might have been worth the chance, and the relationship could truly have already gone sour if you believe Flores that Ross wanted them to tank. But his hand was caught in the cookie jar and lot of the bad decisions are trying to put band aids on it.

 

[Desert_Power]

The Dolphins and the Panthers seemed to clearly be the worst teams in the NFL this past weekend.

Given that these are the two NFL teams I follow and play in Charlotte...I'm looking forward to seeing how cheap I can get a ticket.