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ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Does Eric Shelton ring a bell?
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Adrian Peterson?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
uhhhh, no.Upright style of running and his overall size may end upas the downfall. I am concerned about injury with MBushmore so than any other FF player in the NFL.
Just a bad bone break, correct? Bones heal...I'm not nearly as concerned, but need to determine whether to take Bush or Russel at #6...
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I don't think this is a good comparison. Bush is a natural RB with RB instincts, while Shelton doesn't have any instincts at all in my opinion. Also, Bush is more athletic and agile than most RB's of his size. If he didn't have the injury issues, he may have been a first round pick. The only things Bush and Shelton have in common are size and the college they attended. Bush has a lot more talent than Shelton in my opinion.I think there are too many comparisons based on the players size. Bush and Shelton are not the same. This is almost like the endless Colston/Clayton comparisons.
Where would you rank him against all of the other rookies?
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
I have mixed feelings about him. He was dominant in college, but every back who plays for Louisville these days does well. And while he occasionally flashed very good speed and agility for a big back, I don't think I'd call him explosive. He's a curiosity. He has a chance to become an effective NFL player, but I'm just not sure if he really fits the NFL RB mold.
I see him as a boom-or-bust pick. His current rookie draft ADP has him slotted before a lot of guys who would seem to have a better chance of panning out. I'd rank the rookie RBs as follows:
1. Peterson
2. Lynch
3. Irons
4. Jackson
IMO, these are the clear top four. I know there are a lot of Lorenzo Booker fans around these parts, but I personally feel that Irons (higher pick, better college career, better physical ability, better NFL supporting cast) is the better pick at this point.
After the top four, I think you can make a pretty good case for Booker, Bush, or Henry. Bush might have a little more upside than Booker, but Booker seems like a safer pick. Henry has the best physical ability of this trio, but he's also the worst football player and the biggest unknown. I'd rank them as follows:
5. Booker
6. Bush
7. Henry
So right now Bush is my RB6.
I see him as a boom-or-bust pick. His current rookie draft ADP has him slotted before a lot of guys who would seem to have a better chance of panning out. I'd rank the rookie RBs as follows:
1. Peterson
2. Lynch
3. Irons
4. Jackson
IMO, these are the clear top four. I know there are a lot of Lorenzo Booker fans around these parts, but I personally feel that Irons (higher pick, better college career, better physical ability, better NFL supporting cast) is the better pick at this point.
After the top four, I think you can make a pretty good case for Booker, Bush, or Henry. Bush might have a little more upside than Booker, but Booker seems like a safer pick. Henry has the best physical ability of this trio, but he's also the worst football player and the biggest unknown. I'd rank them as follows:
5. Booker
6. Bush
7. Henry
So right now Bush is my RB6.
I forgot about him actually, and while I think he'll give Bush a run for his money if he can stay healthy, I still think Bush is better long term.
Not from what I saw (game footage, not highlights). He was breaking tackles and bowling people over. Far from soft, and definitely not falling down on first contact.Now, granted that wasn't a lot of coverage, but I can't see someone running like that in one game and flopping in another; that's a mindset that RBs either have or they don't, and he has it.
Depends. If you're looking for much this year, he's probably not the guy. This year:LynchHenry/Petersonmaybe Jackson in GB (if he beats out Morency)BookerIn dynasty (mainly future consideration):1. Bush1a. Peterson3. Henry (don't know what to make of him yet. He could be good (like FWP), or he could disappear (like Fargas) )4. Booker / Irons6. watch out for Garret Wolfe
cstu
Footballguy
Neither Irons or Booker will likely be starting next year, Bush has a great chance to be. I have Bush at RB3 only because I think he'll be better in the long-run than Jackson. If I needed a RB this year I wouldn't hesitate to take Jackson over Bush though. IMO, Booker really only holds value in PPR or if you think Brown is going to get injured (which if you're betting on injuries you should draft Brian Leonard).
I just can't see Bush being a better RB prospect thatn Peterson or Lynch...Lots of good discussion here. Keep it up...
Bettis also had EXCEPTIONAL feet. I think that had as much to do with masking his lack of speed as his size.
From what I've seen and read, so does Bush.
EBF
Footballguy
Irons is a better athlete and even if he has a tougher path to the starting job, he also plays for a much better team (which means more scoring opportunities and a higher upside). Also, saying Bush has a great chance to start in 2008 is premature. He has to get healthy, impress the coaches, and dodge the numerous RB bullets that the 2008 draft will be loaded with. I agree that he has a nice upside, but he has a long road ahead of him.
EBF
Footballguy
I wouldn't assume that just yet. 1. They still have Rhodes.2. It's entirely possible that they'll draft someone else next year or sign another free agent. I think it's possible that Bush will impress the team and eventually become a major contributor, but to assume that he'll be their starter in 2008 is a mistake. He's a Darren McFadden or Julius Jones away from the fantasy abyss.
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Yitbos69
Footballguy
So Lynch is your #1 for 2007 and not in your top 6 Dynasty. I think you could knock him down a few spots in Dynasty(I rank him #2 behind Peterson) for him to not make top 5 Rookie RB's for dynasty.....I don't get it!
EBF
Footballguy
I don't place a lot of stock in this line of reasoning. Guys like Peterson and McGahee went in the first round despite serious injury questions. Even Frank "shredded knees" Gore was an early third round pick. Meanwhile players who "would have easily been a first rounder if..." have often disappointed. Remember Lee Suggs, Kelley Washington, and Onterrio Smith? A lot of the stuff that's being said about Bush was being said about them back before their rookie seasons. Granted, sometimes a player who is projected to go high in the draft ends up falling and becoming a tremendous value (Marion Barber comes to mind), but the bottom line is that you can't get too hung up on the would've, could've, and should've. Michael Bush would've, could've, and should've been a first round pick? Great, but he wasn't. He was a fourth round pick. Anyhow, I think Bush has a chance to be a player, but he still has a long road ahead of him. I agree that the competition on the Raiders isn't very tough, but there's still a significant threat of a free agent signing or a high draft pick joining the fray.
Total brain fart. He should be at 3.5 between Henry and Booker/Irons
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
As usual EBF is all over this. (except for Booker, but ah that is for a different thread).Michael Bush has great instincts for running the football. He is somewhat elusive, but doesn't have the nimble feet of Bettis. He played 6 different positions in HS including DL and QB. He has a good mind for the game of football.The main problem I have with MBush is his lack of aggressiveness. For most of his college career he would go down on initial contact and could not run through arm tackles (baffling because of his size). He also showed a propensity to bounce everything outside (like a smaller back). if he ever learned to be a little more aggressive then watch out. Can he make a transition like Brandon Jacobs? Brandon looked lost in his first season with the Giants, then last season it was clear he understood how to run in this league. MBush is more instinctive than Jacobs, but currently doesn't display the nastiness that Jacobs does.What's most unfortunate is that in the Kentucky game (1st game of 2006 that he was hurt in) he looked COMPLETELY different from the way he did earlier in his Louisville career. He was running with power, he was initiating contact, he was a monster. Then he was hurt, and now is an enigma. How will his injury affect him? Will he be more tentative because he was hurt in the first game he showed some toughness? We don't know. I like his situation, and I will be looking to get him on my practice squad this year. He's NOT Jerome BettisHe's NOT Rony DayneWith a little more Jacobs nastiness he could be someone like Lorenzo White.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
He has very poor feet, in my view. He gets tripped up very easily. He is NOT in Bettis' class.
Balco
Footballguy
Comparing Bush to Bettis is laughable. They are both big running backs, comparison ends there.
If you want to comapre big backs, compare Bush with TJ Duckett. Both very similar runners whose college play does not translate well to the pros. Slipping tackles agains 220 pound middle linebackers in college will not cut it in the pros, you need to have running back skills.
If you want to comapre big backs, compare Bush with TJ Duckett. Both very similar runners whose college play does not translate well to the pros. Slipping tackles agains 220 pound middle linebackers in college will not cut it in the pros, you need to have running back skills.
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
His style is best described as awkward. Not that agile, slow to make moves and to make a turn. Good in-line speed. Runs upright. Seeing footage of him really turned me off to him. Not that impressive. I don't think he'll be very good in the NFL. He's a big target and will get hit when trying to find lanes.
maybe Lendale WhiteAs usual EBF is all over this. (except for Booker, but ah that is for a different thread).Michael Bush has great instincts for running the football. He is somewhat elusive, but doesn't have the nimble feet of Bettis. He played 6 different positions in HS including DL and QB. He has a good mind for the game of football.The main problem I have with MBush is his lack of aggressiveness. For most of his college career he would go down on initial contact and could not run through arm tackles (baffling because of his size). He also showed a propensity to bounce everything outside (like a smaller back). if he ever learned to be a little more aggressive then watch out. Can he make a transition like Brandon Jacobs? Brandon looked lost in his first season with the Giants, then last season it was clear he understood how to run in this league. MBush is more instinctive than Jacobs, but currently doesn't display the nastiness that Jacobs does.What's most unfortunate is that in the Kentucky game (1st game of 2006 that he was hurt in) he looked COMPLETELY different from the way he did earlier in his Louisville career. He was running with power, he was initiating contact, he was a monster. Then he was hurt, and now is an enigma. How will his injury affect him? Will he be more tentative because he was hurt in the first game he showed some toughness? We don't know. I like his situation, and I will be looking to get him on my practice squad this year. He's NOT Jerome BettisHe's NOT Rony DayneWith a little more Jacobs nastiness he could be someone like Lorenzo White.
I'd think you'd be making a big mistake thinking Bush has more potential for RB3 in dynasty rookie drafts. Jackson played in the same scheme that the Packers run and if you watched his youtube highlights, he hits the hole fast and very hard. Comparing the footage to Bush's youtube highlights makes Bush look very, very slow and sluggish.
Jackson's highlights from '06
(there was actually one run in this video where he hit the hole quickly, but otherwise he gets there late and dances around a bit)
They may be similar and it's look as though Bush is the better overall athlete, so maybe it was just the talent level of their olines.
Jackson's highlights from '06
(there was actually one run in this video where he hit the hole quickly, but otherwise he gets there late and dances around a bit)
They may be similar and it's look as though Bush is the better overall athlete, so maybe it was just the talent level of their olines.
acme
Footballguy
2 things please--#1. what does "EBF" mean?and #2. why is Booker an exception? and where is the best thread for that discussion?thanks for the input. i'm interested in reading more about Booker... he seems to be generating a lot of hype and i'm trying to figure out why.-cheers and good luck this season
acme
Footballguy
think i just answered my own "EBF" question... he's the primary poster in this thread. still looking for a good L. Booker thread though.thanks again.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Bookers been discussed here many times. We could always start another thread if we needed to.
acme
Footballguy
This may be a good idea. I've done a couple of different searches for Lorenzo Booker and haven't had much success with finding any information. There appears to be no posts in the Shark Pool in the last 30 days which include the words "Lorenzo Booker" or even just "Booker"I'll start one so we can leave this thread for the discussion of Mr. Bush.Thanks for the suggestion Cecil.-Wile E.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I would have to disagree here. Bush played QB in High school, was actually Mr. Football in Kentucky. One of his major faults in college was that he didn't run behind his pads. While he broke a lot of tackles, due to his pure size, I don't see THAT much success in the NFL if he can't start using his pads as an advantage. To contradict myself, he started running behind his pads and running with a mean streak in the first game of the year last season vs Kentucky. However, that is the game in which he broke his leg. With a full season last year, perhaps more improvement would've been seen.
loqutis
Footballguy
Rookie running back Michael Bush was placed on the physically unable to perform list, as he continues his recovery from a broken right leg he sustained in college last year.
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