Michael Turner (1 Viewer)

[jwb]

Last two games:

17-71

17-65

1 catch. 5 yards. No TD's anywhere.

That's all we get in the two biggest games of his life? Where he can be THE GUY?? This was worth all that hype?

I mean, he didn't stink up the joint, and I'm sure the Turner defenders will have all kinds of reasons, but honestly, he was rather ordinary, wouldn't you say? In my mind, he certainly did nothing to say to a team "Hello - sign me as your new RB1". He looked like a backup running back, nothing more - quite frankly, Ahmad Bradshaw impressed me a LOT more.

I'm very happy I traded him when I had the chance. This has disappointment written all over it.

 

[EBF]

He's Rudi Johnson. A grinder with a little bit of speed. I don't think anyone really said he's the next LT.

 

[Texasmouth]

I see him landing in Dallas to be the lightning to MBIII's thunder.

 

[J R]

After the first of those 2 games, I swear I saw a thread that had people saying Turner made himself a lot of money from that game.

 

[Jason Wood]

We know that some team is going to throw plenty of $$$$ Turner's way. I'm just thankful my team isn't likely to be it.

 

[Pai Mei]

The Patriots usually shut down bruising RBs like Michael Turner. They have a lot of trouble with slashers like Tomlinson. Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

 

[cstu]

He's Rudi Johnson. A grinder with a little bit of speed. I don't think anyone really said he's the next LT.

He fits the Broncos offense perfectly but as a Chargers fan I hope they think he's too much money to sign.

 

[prymetyme25]

I've always thought there was a difference in how players play in certain situation. To me its easy to come in off the pine with no pressure of failure (if you fail, well hes the back up what more can you ask for) but when you know that the team is now counting on you to put in a great effort it a little harder to do. I call it the 2nd string qb syndrome. It's really easy for a back up qb to come into a game when you're down by 20 aned play well. Totally different when you start and there something at stake. JMO I thought he ran very tenatively and didn't look to make big plays. I thought he had a couple of cut backs that he could have taken advantage of but having the fear of screwing up may have cost him the big plays that he's known for.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

something tells me with the deep rookie RB class that Turner wont be in as high demand as we thought

Not only that taking his games vs. the two best teams in the NFL in the playoffs might be a bit flawed and the sample size is a little small

Not to mention he committeed with Sproles in the games as well

 

[BusterTBronco]

Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

You cannot be serious. New England outclassed San Diego in every phase of the game except, perhaps, field goal kicking.

 

[Jason Wood]

He's Rudi Johnson. A grinder with a little bit of speed. I don't think anyone really said he's the next LT.

He fits the Broncos offense perfectly but as a Chargers fan I hope they think he's too much money to sign.

Shanahan is going to keep trying until he gets it right...his lead rusher has faced declining productivity for years now; and this year was supposed to be different because Travis Henry was a perfect fit. I would never put it past Shanny to sign a runner like Turner; on the other hand, there looks to a plethora of rookie RBs who also fit his style and can be had in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds.

 

[datonn]

I guess with Rivers limping around and the Chargers not facing "slouch" defensive fronts from the Colts and Patriots, it's not as though Turner looked bad! 4.0 YPC over 34 carries is nothing to start abandoning ship over, by ANY stretch of the imagination.

That said, Turner's value in 2008 and beyond is completely attached at the hip to where he ends up signing this off-season. Houston or Chicago?! A team like Dallas? None of us have any CLUE what Turner's value is going to be even 2-3 months from now...so until we see where he goes and what that team (even San Diego!) does related to RB playing time and the other offensive weapons on their roster, it's all just bits and bytes keeping us entertained and away from work.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Um. The last two games were against the underrated Colts defense and the extremely good Patriots defense.

Hard to judge a guy based on the last two games.

 

[Balco]

Michael Turner = Lamont Jordan without the receiving skills

 

[Andy Dufresne]

something tells me with the deep rookie RB class that Turner wont be in as high demand as we thought

Not only that taking his games vs. the two best teams in the NFL in the playoffs might be a bit flawed and the sample size is a little small

Not to mention he committeed with Sproles in the games as well

 

[fsufan]

He's Rudi Johnson. A grinder with a little bit of speed. I don't think anyone really said he's the next LT.

He fits the Broncos offense perfectly but as a Chargers fan I hope they think he's too much money to sign.

didn't Henry get 12M guaranteed ?i know he was a bust but I do not see shanny paying another FA RB big money. I think Denver will go with young and Henry in 08

 

[jwb]

something tells me with the deep rookie RB class that Turner wont be in as high demand as we thoughtNot only that taking his games vs. the two best teams in the NFL in the playoffs might be a bit flawed and the sample size is a little small

agreed the sample is small. But so is his entire body of work. That's kind of what I'm saying - if he was Jerome Harrison, nobody says anything. But the sheer volume of hype generated for/by MT, it's not a stretch that some discussion is warranted. I mean, he went before the end of the 4th round in the two dynasty startup drafts I was in last year. You're right - I suspect he won't be as in demand as many thought.

 

[cstu]

He's Rudi Johnson. A grinder with a little bit of speed. I don't think anyone really said he's the next LT.

He fits the Broncos offense perfectly but as a Chargers fan I hope they think he's too much money to sign.

didn't Henry get 12M guaranteed ?

i know he was a bust but I do not see shanny paying another FA RB big money. I think Denver will go with young and Henry in 08

What I read was that $6M was his signing bonus another $6M was an option bonus. I think the Broncos can cut him and not have to pay the $6M option bonus, but someone else probably knows more about it.

 

[gianmarco]

Careful, I brought this up last week and was almost crucified. People were talking about how he just earned a huge payraise with his performance last week as well as a big bump in his fantasy value and I just didnt' see anything spectacular at all. Repeat this week. Nothing special whatsoever, and in fact, a little more disappointing.

I never did understand all the Turner hype.

 

[mozzy84]

Last two games:

17-71

17-65

1 catch. 5 yards. No TD's anywhere.

That's all we get in the two biggest games of his life? Where he can be THE GUY?? This was worth all that hype?

I mean, he didn't stink up the joint, and I'm sure the Turner defenders will have all kinds of reasons, but honestly, he was rather ordinary, wouldn't you say? In my mind, he certainly did nothing to say to a team "Hello - sign me as your new RB1". He looked like a backup running back, nothing more - quite frankly, Ahmad Bradshaw impressed me a LOT more.



I'm very happy I traded him when I had the chance. This has disappointment written all over it.

whatever makes you feel better. Not sure what you were expecting going up against indy and NE.

 

[Football Jones]

I don't think the last 2 games mean a whole lot, but Turner (& his owners) couldn't have picked a worse time to be a FA (with the numerous quality rookies coming out next season). It was once a lock he'd find a starter's job. Not so much anymore. If he does find a regular gig, I don't believe it'll be for near the money he would've received otherwise.

 

[pinda]

17 for 71 = 4.2 yards per carry

17 for 65 = 3.8 yards per carry

combined 34 for 136 = 4.0 yards per carry

So 4.2 against the better defense, 3.8 against the lesser defense, and a 4.0 combined against two playoff defenses. Two words...............Cha Ching!!!

Unless of course it's his fault he only got 17 carries.

This guy has a 5.5 ypc in the regular season and had 4.0 here, so let's say he fall somewhere around 4.3 ypc for 20 carries per game over a 16 game season, that's 320 carries for 1376 yards. I think I'll take that if I were any team looking for a RB.

 

[Yitbos69]

I agree that there are a lot of ????? for Turner in 2008......I for one do not think they have anything to do with the last two games or his talent.......

 

[Godsbrother]

Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

You cannot be serious. New England outclassed San Diego in every phase of the game except, perhaps, field goal kicking.

And yet they only beat a badly wounded San Diego team by 9 at home. I wouldn't go so far to say the Charger would have won with a healthy LT, Antonio Gates and Phillip Rivers but it couldn't have hurt either.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I am as big a fan of Turner as there is and wasn't overly pleased with how he looked against NE. However, I don't think anyone can draw any conclusions about what Turner did against a very good defensive team in NE.

Turner will have the chance to show case his talent in a starting role next year and conclusions can be drawn then. I think he will be a very good RB next year both in real and in fantasy. He may not get as much money due to a good RB rookie crop but he will be given a chance to start.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I am as big a fan of Turner as there is and wasn't overly pleased with how he looked against NE. However, I don't think anyone can draw any conclusions about what Turner did against a very good defensive team in NE.

Turner will have the chance to show case his talent in a starting role next year and conclusions can be drawn then. I think he will be a very good RB next year both in real and in fantasy. He may not get as much money due to a good RB rookie crop but he will be given a chance to start.

What constitutes a "very good RB"? Top 5? Top 10? Top 32?

 

[Garts]

Almost every handoff the Chargers gave Turner was a dive play. What do you want him to do??

He took the 4 yards and was tackled and put Rivers 2nd and 6.

That's all the Chargers wanted from him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

He looked slow to me.

 

[djb916420]

Two tough run defenses on the road in the playoffs. 4.0 average seems pretty good to me.

 

[Riffraff]

A tale of two cities.

He played well against the Colts. Was able to break through with some burst. OL dominated.

He was tentative against the Patriots. Ran up the backside of his blockers too much. OL did not dominate.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Sure, they "only" won by 9 but they could have easily scored another 7-14 points if they had to.

The Pats final drive where they ran the remaining 9 minutes off the clock was a testament to their dominance.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Careful, I brought this up last week and was almost crucified. People were talking about how he just earned a huge payraise with his performance last week as well as a big bump in his fantasy value and I just didnt' see anything spectacular at all. Repeat this week. Nothing special whatsoever, and in fact, a little more disappointing.I never did understand all the Turner hype.

I've said it before. There is a whole subculture of Michael Turner fanatics here in the Shark Pool who will become highly agitated at any perceived "diss" of their favorite player.It's very odd, especially when you consider the fact that Turner isn't any good.

 

[loose circuits]

I think Turner looked in great shape. The guys I was watching the game with and I had a conversation about it. It looks like he's in the best shape he has been in since he arrived in San Diego, I would guess that he's lost about 10 lbs of fat. I think he took what the defense gave him and didn't really make any crucial mistakes. One thing is certain, whoever acquires him cannot count on him catching any passes out of the backfield. I'd say he could be a top 20 RB in non-PPR leagues and probaly a top 30 in PPR leagues for the next couple years assuming he finds a job where he has a decent role which he likely will. I think he would be a great fit in Houston were Darius Walker could take care of the passing stuff...

 

[Verbal Kint]

I thought he did pretty well against 2 very stout defenses.

 

[supermark_28]

Is it insane to actually think the Chargers might try and re-sign him? I think the last 2 weeks they got a look at life

without LT and Sproles may not be a long term answer. Or do they just target someone in the draft and hope they can fill

in as a #3 or possible #2?

 

[zamboni]

Maybe he's being overhyped on the boards here, but I think people are looking at the stats way too much against two of the best teams in the league. It's not like he was up against Atlanta. NFL scouts/GMs know that he's got some skills, last few weeks or not - he'll likely get his shot.

 

[NeverEnough]

We know that some team is going to throw plenty of $$$$ Turner's way. I'm just thankful my team isn't likely to be it.

 

[Chadstroma]

I guess with Rivers limping around and the Chargers not facing "slouch" defensive fronts from the Colts and Patriots, it's not as though Turner looked bad! 4.0 YPC over 34 carries is nothing to start abandoning ship over, by ANY stretch of the imagination.

That said, Turner's value in 2008 and beyond is completely attached at the hip to where he ends up signing this off-season. Houston or Chicago?! A team like Dallas? None of us have any CLUE what Turner's value is going to be even 2-3 months from now...so until we see where he goes and what that team (even San Diego!) does related to RB playing time and the other offensive weapons on their roster, it's all just bits and bytes keeping us entertained and away from work.

You got to figure that Chicago is going to look very hard for a RB to bring in. Benson obviously is not a featured back and needs someone else to handle some of the load. Turner might be a great fit there. The Bears basically need a QB, RB, youth at OL, a DT to compliment Harris, and a SS that can fill the important void that Arch was not suited to fill. I think the most pressing need is actually at the DT spot because that makes the whole D run or not and we have seen that they can win with D. After that would be QB and SS in a tie- we all know the QB trouble and see my explanation about the DT for the SS. Then bring in a RB. OL is needed but you can get away with developmental projects to put them in line for the future.

 

[Spartans Rule]

LaDainian Tomlinson against those same two defenses in the regular season:

18-43-0

21-76-1

 

[pinda]

LaDainian Tomlinson against those same two defenses in the regular season:18-43-021-76-1

 

[massraider]

LaDainian Tomlinson against those same two defenses in the regular season:18-43-021-76-1

 

[RedRaiders]

Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

You cannot be serious. New England outclassed San Diego in every phase of the game except, perhaps, field goal kicking.

And yet they only beat a badly wounded San Diego team by 9 at home. I wouldn't go so far to say the Charger would have won with a healthy LT, Antonio Gates and Phillip Rivers but it couldn't have hurt either.

You're overrating LT. Turner put up about the same numbers LT would have managed. Just look at the Colts game - very similar imo.

 

[Tom Baker]

Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

You cannot be serious. New England outclassed San Diego in every phase of the game except, perhaps, field goal kicking.

And yet they only beat a badly wounded San Diego team by 9 at home. I wouldn't go so far to say the Charger would have won with a healthy LT, Antonio Gates and Phillip Rivers but it couldn't have hurt either.

You're overrating LT. Turner put up about the same numbers LT would have managed. Just look at the Colts game - very similar imo.

The difference is at the goal line. LT punches in one, if not a couple, of those red zone opportunities.

 

[zamboni]

Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

You cannot be serious. New England outclassed San Diego in every phase of the game except, perhaps, field goal kicking.

And yet they only beat a badly wounded San Diego team by 9 at home. I wouldn't go so far to say the Charger would have won with a healthy LT, Antonio Gates and Phillip Rivers but it couldn't have hurt either.

You're overrating LT. Turner put up about the same numbers LT would have managed. Just look at the Colts game - very similar imo.

The difference is at the goal line. LT punches in one, if not a couple, of those red zone opportunities.

No way LT avoids Seau two yards into the backfield. If the OL does its job there and Turner gets in the end zone, we probably don't even have this discussion.

 

[Black]

Had Tomlinson played, he would have had a huge game and I think they probably win.

You cannot be serious. New England outclassed San Diego in every phase of the game except, perhaps, field goal kicking.

Easy when your three stars are not 100%.SD DEF did their job...kept NE to 21 points. Offense did not have their playmakers.

 

[Black]

Sure, they "only" won by 9 but they could have easily scored another 7-14 points if they had to.The Pats final drive where they ran the remaining 9 minutes off the clock was a testament to their dominance.

Yeah, they could've scored 14 points on that drive alone...

 

[Black]

I've always thought there was a difference in how players play in certain situation. To me its easy to come in off the pine with no pressure of failure (if you fail, well hes the back up what more can you ask for) but when you know that the team is now counting on you to put in a great effort it a little harder to do. I call it the 2nd string qb syndrome. It's really easy for a back up qb to come into a game when you're down by 20 aned play well. Totally different when you start and there something at stake. JMO I thought he ran very tenatively and didn't look to make big plays. I thought he had a couple of cut backs that he could have taken advantage of but having the fear of screwing up may have cost him the big plays that he's known for.

RBs coming off the bench in a blowout are probably not playing vs. top teams (or teams with anything left to play for), so alot of those games are likely skewed statistically.In the playoffs, vs. the best DEF in the league, it should be (and was) a different story.That being said, I thought Turner looked ok but was not quick to the corner (case in point was the sweep out to the left on about the 10 yard line where he was caught from behind in the backfield). 100% LT2 in that situation gets out of the backfield quicker, cuts that corner and takes it for 7 yards.

 

[Bossman]

Good thing SD didn't trade Turner for that 1st rd draft pick last year.

With LT out, who else would they have used at RB to lose to the Patriots?

Genius.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Take away Turner's "long" run yesterday (12 whole yards) and he got 53 yards on 16 carries... a whopping 3.3 ypc.

If you wanna see what a real runningback looks like, take a look on the other sideline at Laurence Maroney.

 

[gianmarco]

Take away Turner's "long" run yesterday (12 whole yards) and he got 53 yards on 16 carries... a whopping 3.3 ypc.If you wanna see what a real runningback looks like, take a look on the other sideline at Laurence Maroney.

The "why it's dumb to take out the long run" post in 5.....4.....3.....2.....1......