Michael Vick dynasty value (1 Viewer)

[bigmarc27]

I've got him stashed in one league just hoping he gets a shot somewhere. I think he's a borderline garbage "real" QB, but can put up stats.

He's nearing 30, so what are the chances he starts 30 more games in the NFL?

 

[D'OHtis]

Not much IMO. Could prob lump him in with the uninspiring qb25-36 group. Thought buffalo was his best shot @ full time gig

 

[moderated]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

 

[Pickle Rody]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

Excellent post.

 

[loose circuits]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

 

[Pickle Rody]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

 

[loose circuits]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

so you are saying you don't think he'll ever start another game? He'll get an opportunity at some point. How many QB's get hurt each year? At some point, he'll get on the field for somebody. May not be this year, but he'll have his choice of teams for 2011. He'll likely go to one where he can compete for a job or as Moderated said, he'll be a stop gap for a young guy. It's up to him, to put it on film at that point. If he plays well, there is always a need for QB's for some team.

 

[Pickle Rody]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

so you are saying you don't think he'll ever start another game? He'll get an opportunity at some point. How many QB's get hurt each year? At some point, he'll get on the field for somebody. May not be this year, but he'll have his choice of teams for 2011. He'll likely go to one where he can compete for a job or as Moderated said, he'll be a stop gap for a young guy. It's up to him, to put it on film at that point. If he plays well, there is always a need for QB's for some team.

The Eagles helped him put it on film last year and currently there have been no takers. Unless forced to, I do not think the Eagles will give him any starts this year, let alone enough snaps per game to improve upon whatever film he accumulated last year. Yes, I am saying that I do not think he will ever start another game in the NFL, at least not based on his merits alone......of course he would most likely be a fine stop-gap for a few games as a starter, for whichever team was desperate enough to actually need him.eta: that does not translate into any value whatsoever fantasy-wise.

 

[loose circuits]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

so you are saying you don't think he'll ever start another game? He'll get an opportunity at some point. How many QB's get hurt each year? At some point, he'll get on the field for somebody. May not be this year, but he'll have his choice of teams for 2011. He'll likely go to one where he can compete for a job or as Moderated said, he'll be a stop gap for a young guy. It's up to him, to put it on film at that point. If he plays well, there is always a need for QB's for some team.

The Eagles helped him put it on film last year and currently there have been no takers. Unless forced to, I do not think the Eagles will give him any starts this year, let alone enough snaps per game to improve upon whatever film he accumulated last year. Yes, I am saying that I do not think he will ever start another game in the NFL, at least not based on his merits alone......of course he would most likely be a fine stop-gap for a few games as a starter, for whichever team was desperate enough to actually need him.eta: that does not translate into any value whatsoever fantasy-wise.

your statement contradicts yourself. You say he's not gonna start, but then agree that he would be a stop gap. If he gets a gig as a stop gap or is allowed to compete for a job in camp, then it is up to him to win it. With starter reps & snaps, then we will be able to determine if he's washed up or re-bornThere haven't been any takers cause he didn't put anything on film last year. He didn't get much of a training camp (reps divided among 3 QB's with present & future ahead of him). He also didn't play football or even have an opportunity to work out much while he spent 2 years behind bars so he was a little sluggish. Reports are surfacing that he has his legs back underneath and looks 100% different and his package is going to expand this season. By all accounts he is taking his role seriously and still putting the time in. He's going to be well versed in the WCO. Obviously considering the fall of Clausen & McCoy this was a year without a lot of demand for QB's as well. A lot of factors mixed into why there was no market for Vick. To me, none of them mean that we should immediately conclude that he doesn't have a future in the NFL at 30.

2011 potential suitors:

Contenders:

Minnesota if Favre retires, open competition between him & Tarvaris. Offenses are very similar

San Fran if the old Alex Smith doesn't show up . David Carr isn't gonna do much, and both Davis/Jarrett Brown are unproven to say the least.

Tenn: Vince has 1 year left on his contract. Titans success this season will likely determine whether he is locked up for long term

What would his value be like at one of the above?

starting gig:

Buffalo and they don't give up picks

Seattle: Hasselbeck gets injured and Whitehurst performs like a journeyman

Cleveland: Delhomme is awful, Wallace is a poor man's Vick talent wise, there are reasons McCoy was a 3rd round pick and he may not be ready. Holmgren's O (or whoever the puppet OC is) is similar to Reid's.

Jax: If Garrard struggles this year, unless Luke McCown appears to be the answer

Oak: Campbell's always looking over his shoulder

Cards: Leinart/DA, far from sold on those 2. If they struggle to a 7-9 record, they could make a switch.

probably some that we aren't even seeing yet.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Here's what keeps me from feeling optimistic about Vick's chances to be a starter for more than a few games ever again:

He needs to prove he can operate from the pocket with a high level of skill and not rely so much on his mobility. The fact that he feels the need to tell the media that he's back to full speed and his legs are under him again indicates that he will still be relying too much on this legs to get the job done rather than improve his pocket skills. No team will want to take a chance on using a run-first-from-the-pocket QB as a long-term option when he's over 30 and likely to get hurt more frequently. If he developed into a strong pocket passer who maneuvered around the pocket effectively with a pass-first mentality then he could have another 5-6 years and he would have been in a lot more demand this off season.

He's just not that player.

Personally, he's very fortunate that he's even gotten a chance to play in the league again. I'm glad he's not making a big deal about not getting a chance to start. I think he knows how lucky he is to be earning good money and not still be in jail. As a fan of the game I would like nothing more to see him develop into the QB he should have tried to be when he thought he was indestructible. As a fan of animals, his current attitude is really too small of a consolation for what he did.

 

[massraider]

Dynasty value? I'd take him as a throw in if I already had Kolb. A throw-in, nothing more. And I better have a big roster.

Otherwise? Nothing. I wouldn't give a rookie pick, in any round, for him.

 

[D'OHtis]

There were quite a few qb jobs open this offseason (responding to the above). His best shot was this offseason in buffalo IMO. If he doesn't play a meaningful snap this season (something outside gimmicky wildcats), I believe it'll be essentially 4 seasons for him w/o action @ qb.

Next offseason: 32 at that point (?).. New offense..he's essentially a rookie again. Don't even think he's a stopgap at that point, may as well throw the rookie with a future into the fire.

I really don't think at this point he's even a good backup option. You really want someone that has a firm grasp of the playbook there. Don't think that's the case in Philly now either. I really question whether he's capable of doing such.

 

[Phurfur]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

The guy is 30 years old, how many additional years do you think this will take?

 

[az_prof]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

It seems very likely he will get an opportunity. Not too many starting QBs play 16 games. Most get hurt at some point. And, he will be out of his contract at the end of this season and will most likely choose to go somewhere that doesn't have a strong QB so he will at least have a chance to compete. I think there is a good chance he will be a starting QB again. Whether he is worth hanging onto and waiting for that to happen depends on how deep your league is. I have him in a league with 22 man rosters and if he Kolb doesn't hurt in training camp I will be cutting him in the preseason. But if you had 25 man rosters he is worth hanging onto for one more year to see what happens.

 

[Mark Wimer]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

so you are saying you don't think he'll ever start another game? He'll get an opportunity at some point. How many QB's get hurt each year? At some point, he'll get on the field for somebody. May not be this year, but he'll have his choice of teams for 2011. He'll likely go to one where he can compete for a job or as Moderated said, he'll be a stop gap for a young guy. It's up to him, to put it on film at that point. If he plays well, there is always a need for QB's for some team.

The Eagles helped him put it on film last year and currently there have been no takers. Unless forced to, I do not think the Eagles will give him any starts this year, let alone enough snaps per game to improve upon whatever film he accumulated last year. Yes, I am saying that I do not think he will ever start another game in the NFL, at least not based on his merits alone......of course he would most likely be a fine stop-gap for a few games as a starter, for whichever team was desperate enough to actually need him.eta: that does not translate into any value whatsoever fantasy-wise.

I think this is right on. Vick blew his chances at a full-time gig with all the behavior problems/coach-ability issues/drug usage/criminal enterprises/involvement with known gamblers/embarrassing lawsuits from girlfriends (the Ron Mexico incident) and etc. when he was in Atlanta. It was an open "secret" that he smoked dope heavily, he was never motivated to hone his professional skills (instead relying on his once-upon-a-time amazing physical attributes to get by), and his gangster lifestyle/crew/attitude led to an extremely embarrassing and painful episode for the Falcons' ownership and front office. In my opinion, no sane NFL owner will give Vick the keys to his team ever again, not on a full-time basis. As an emergency starter much like Byron Leftwich appears to be on course to be for the Steelers this year, perhaps. As the linchpin of a franchise, never again.

 

[az_prof]

Vick was much more successful than Leftwich. Not even close.

 

[Phurfur]

Vick was much more successful than Leftwich. Not even close.

They both stink!

 

[Zoomanji]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

It seems very likely he will get an opportunity. Not too many starting QBs play 16 games. Most get hurt at some point. And, he will be out of his contract at the end of this season and will most likely choose to go somewhere that doesn't have a strong QB so he will at least have a chance to compete. I think there is a good chance he will be a starting QB again. Whether he is worth hanging onto and waiting for that to happen depends on how deep your league is. I have him in a league with 22 man rosters and if he Kolb doesn't hurt in training camp I will be cutting him in the preseason. But if you had 25 man rosters he is worth hanging onto for one more year to see what happens.

Doubtful at best

This off-season was his last chance to move to a team as a starter and every team with an opening passed on a trade for him (which would have been cheap).

The best chance he has to start in the NFL is if the guy he's backing up gets hurt.

 

[spider321]

Michael Vick's dynasty value?

Hmmmm....I'm trying to think of a number that's less than zero.

Honestly tho, I would probably take him from you if you threw in a first round pick.

 

[OnThInIcE911]

Less than all starting QB's and a large portion of backups.

In most cases if your the one drafting him your probably overpaying.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Vick was much more successful than Leftwich. Not even close.

The illustration was meant to describe what sort of emergency QB job Vick might have a chance at in the future, not a comparison between his and Leftwich's records or abilities. I think a short-term gig filling in for a suspended/hurt starter is the best situation Vick could likely find given his baggage and declining physical abilities.

 

[Ray_T]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

You are assuming he is going to get that opportunity, when in actuality, he may never (and most likely won't) see that opportunity ever again.

so you are saying you don't think he'll ever start another game? He'll get an opportunity at some point. How many QB's get hurt each year? At some point, he'll get on the field for somebody. May not be this year, but he'll have his choice of teams for 2011. He'll likely go to one where he can compete for a job or as Moderated said, he'll be a stop gap for a young guy. It's up to him, to put it on film at that point. If he plays well, there is always a need for QB's for some team.

The Eagles helped him put it on film last year and currently there have been no takers. Unless forced to, I do not think the Eagles will give him any starts this year, let alone enough snaps per game to improve upon whatever film he accumulated last year. Yes, I am saying that I do not think he will ever start another game in the NFL, at least not based on his merits alone......of course he would most likely be a fine stop-gap for a few games as a starter, for whichever team was desperate enough to actually need him.eta: that does not translate into any value whatsoever fantasy-wise.

honestly, I think the Eagles signed him as insurance while Kolb was hurt and also because they figured they could trade him away and get something.I am guessing that noone has come up with any kind of a decent offer cuz I think a 3rd or 4th round pick would have been enough.

but this late in the game, I have my questions as to whether he will be traded at all now.

 

[loose circuits]

the problem with him is that i don't think any teams want him to be their long-term solution. He may get a chance due to injury or a team will bring him in as a stop gap while transitioning but not sure we'll ever see a team hang their hat on him.

He has value as a 3rd QB on a dynasty roster since he might be a good fill in on occasion, but his value is severely capped due to the lack of potential for a stable longish term gig.

I appreciate your line of thought, but it will be up to him to put the doubters to rest when he gets his opportunity. If it's true that his legs are back, with his mind right, he has the potential to be around for a long time if he can master the cerebral part of the game with study.

The guy is 30 years old, how many additional years do you think this will take?

depends on him. If he shows he can fix his accuracy issues by studying and getting the ball to the right place at the right time, maybe 5-7....if he comes out and plays like Waldman seems to expect, much less.I think it's way too early to completely write him off. I'm rooting for him because I like to think people can change their lives around and start making better decisions. If he is truly dedicated, then I don't think we've seen the best of him yet...

 

[az_prof]

Vick was much more successful than Leftwich. Not even close.

The illustration was meant to describe what sort of emergency QB job Vick might have a chance at in the future, not a comparison between his and Leftwich's records or abilities. I think a short-term gig filling in for a suspended/hurt starter is the best situation Vick could likely find given his baggage and declining physical abilities.

But it is a misleading comparison. Vick is a Pro Bowl QB who took his team to the playoffs. Leftwich doesn't have nearly the same talent. So, if Vick gets a similar opportunity to what Leftwich has he is much more likely to hang onto the position. I don't know about declining physical abilities--can you really judge based on what little we saw last season? And his baggage is more a marketing issue than a team chemistry problem; as far as I know he was never a team cancer in the locker room.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Vick was much more successful than Leftwich. Not even close.

The illustration was meant to describe what sort of emergency QB job Vick might have a chance at in the future, not a comparison between his and Leftwich's records or abilities. I think a short-term gig filling in for a suspended/hurt starter is the best situation Vick could likely find given his baggage and declining physical abilities.

But it is a misleading comparison. Vick is a Pro Bowl QB who took his team to the playoffs. Leftwich doesn't have nearly the same talent. So, if Vick gets a similar opportunity to what Leftwich has he is much more likely to hang onto the position. I don't know about declining physical abilities--can you really judge based on what little we saw last season? And his baggage is more a marketing issue than a team chemistry problem; as far as I know he was never a team cancer in the locker room.

Look, it is not a misleading comparison. I was citing Leftwich's Pittsburgh opportunity this year as the sort of job that Vick could hope to land in the future. In no way did I compare their physical abilities or records or anything else. I watched Vick play last year, and was thoroughly unimpressed. 6/13 for 86 yards and one TD with 24/95/2 rushing. Right at his usual ~50% completion percentage (53.7% for his career). The lowest YPC average of his career (4.0, his former low was 5.9).

He is aging, he has never been able to master the more cerebral elements of the game on a consistent basis (following a progression, quick reads, etc), and he has all the drug abuse/attitude problems I cited as his personal baggage. The baggage is not solely a marketing issue. He openly admits that he was lazy and unmotivated while with the Falcons. He has always relied more on his physical abilities than on becoming a student of the game/technically proficient as an NFL passer. His time window for all the professional development he COULD have done while a young man is now closed.

Plus, the highly unsavory details of his involvement with professional gamblers running illegal wagering contests (ie. dog fights), animal abusers/torturers, and etc. make him an unmarketable item as far as jersey sales and etc (except among his small, hard-core cadre of fans who want to excuse his past behavior). How many responsible dads/moms are going to buy a new #7 Vick jersey for their sons/daughters? Not many, I expect.

I don't think any responsible GM will hand Vick a full-time, starting gig. Not at his current level of performance, and not given his past treatment of the Falcons' organization (which included lying to the face of the owner, Arthur Blank, who always trusted Vick and gave him the benefit of the doubt, as well as an astronomical contract).

 

[az_prof]

Vick was much more successful than Leftwich. Not even close.

The illustration was meant to describe what sort of emergency QB job Vick might have a chance at in the future, not a comparison between his and Leftwich's records or abilities. I think a short-term gig filling in for a suspended/hurt starter is the best situation Vick could likely find given his baggage and declining physical abilities.

But it is a misleading comparison. Vick is a Pro Bowl QB who took his team to the playoffs. Leftwich doesn't have nearly the same talent. So, if Vick gets a similar opportunity to what Leftwich has he is much more likely to hang onto the position. I don't know about declining physical abilities--can you really judge based on what little we saw last season? And his baggage is more a marketing issue than a team chemistry problem; as far as I know he was never a team cancer in the locker room.

Look, it is not a misleading comparison. I was citing Leftwich's Pittsburgh opportunity this year as the sort of job that Vick could hope to land in the future. In no way did I compare their physical abilities or records or anything else. I watched Vick play last year, and was thoroughly unimpressed. 6/13 for 86 yards and one TD with 24/95/2 rushing. Right at his usual ~50% completion percentage (53.7% for his career). The lowest YPC average of his career (4.0, his former low was 5.9).

He is aging, he has never been able to master the more cerebral elements of the game on a consistent basis (following a progression, quick reads, etc), and he has all the drug abuse/attitude problems I cited as his personal baggage. The baggage is not solely a marketing issue. He openly admits that he was lazy and unmotivated while with the Falcons. He has always relied more on his physical abilities than on becoming a student of the game/technically proficient as an NFL passer. His time window for all the professional development he COULD have done while a young man is now closed.

Plus, the highly unsavory details of his involvement with professional gamblers running illegal wagering contests (ie. dog fights), animal abusers/torturers, and etc. make him an unmarketable item as far as jersey sales and etc (except among his small, hard-core cadre of fans who want to excuse his past behavior). How many responsible dads/moms are going to buy a new #7 Vick jersey for their sons/daughters? Not many, I expect.

I don't think any responsible GM will hand Vick a full-time, starting gig. Not at his current level of performance, and not given his past treatment of the Falcons' organization (which included lying to the face of the owner, Arthur Blank, who always trusted Vick and gave him the benefit of the doubt, as well as an astronomical contract).

13 pass attempts is not statistically meaningful. You can't base anything on that in an objective way.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Question for those who have been playing dynasty for a long time.....

What was Vick's dynasty value like back when he was in his prime? I would have to guess he was damn near untouchable after he just put up a 1000 yard rushing season to go along with 2500 yards passing and 20 TD's.

 

[Go deep]

He didnt grow up, and the only thing he is sorry for is getting caught. He would still be torturing animals if he wasnt so stupid to get caught. Anyone who thinks he can put the work in to become even a decent passer, which he will need to do to get a starting job, is very desperate at the QB position. Just drop him from your roster and pick up JP Losman.

 

[Holy Roller]

I happen to think Vick would be very productive from a FF standpoint if anything happens to Kolb. He has a ton of weapons around him, and I think the claims of his physical abilities deteriorating are getting a bit overstated. I'm not saying the guy would duplicate his 2006 level of fantasy dominance, but I'm guessing he would be a low QB1/high QB2 at the very least.

Someone mentioned in this thread that his value is less than most of the backups in the league. I find that a bit hard to believe. He will be 31 next year, and could still be a factor depending on where he ends up. People are making it sound like he's just a couple years younger than Old Man Favre.

 

[Go deep]

I happen to think Vick would be very productive from a FF standpoint if anything happens to Kolb. He has a ton of weapons around him, and I think the claims of his physical abilities deteriorating are getting a bit overstated. I'm not saying the guy would duplicate his 2006 level of fantasy dominance, but I'm guessing he would be a low QB1/high QB2 at the very least. Someone mentioned in this thread that his value is less than most of the backups in the league. I find that a bit hard to believe. He will be 31 next year, and could still be a factor depending on where he ends up. People are making it sound like he's just a couple years younger than Old Man Favre.

31 for a running QB, he may as well be as old as Favre. Also, what good is it to have weapons when you cant throwl. Look at Roddy White with Vick, then without.

 

[az_prof]

Question for those who have been playing dynasty for a long time.....What was Vick's dynasty value like back when he was in his prime? I would have to guess he was damn near untouchable after he just put up a 1000 yard rushing season to go along with 2500 yards passing and 20 TD's.

He was a top 5 QB and was valued anywhere in the top 10.

 

[loose circuits]

He didnt grow up, and the only thing he is sorry for is getting caught. He would still be torturing animals if he wasnt so stupid to get caught. Anyone who thinks he can put the work in to become even a decent passer, which he will need to do to get a starting job, is very desperate at the QB position. Just drop him from your roster and pick up JP Losman.

what are you basing this off? do you have any proof of what you are claiming? every report I've read says the complete opposite. He puts in hours at the facility, does what the coaches tell him, and is genuinely remorseful...He grew up in a different culture with different surroundings than most people. Even people that grow up in the best surroundings make mistakes. What has he done since his release from prison that make you think that he wasn't rehabilitated properly or hasn't properly adjusted to society the way we would want him too?

 

[Holy Roller]

Any new thoughts on Vick's dynasty value? He's obviously proving he still has value, but the question is just how much. Even if Kolb ends up returning from injury and producing at an even higher level than Vick has these last two games, the guy is going to get a shot somewhere. And produce.

 

[thehornet]

He didnt grow up, and the only thing he is sorry for is getting caught. He would still be torturing animals if he wasnt so stupid to get caught. Anyone who thinks he can put the work in to become even a decent passer, which he will need to do to get a starting job, is very desperate at the QB position. Just drop him from your roster and pick up JP Losman.

wrong everywhere. nice call.

 

[az_prof]

Any new thoughts on Vick's dynasty value? He's obviously proving he still has value, but the question is just how much. Even if Kolb ends up returning from injury and producing at an even higher level than Vick has these last two games, the guy is going to get a shot somewhere. And produce.

I was supporting his value all year and still think he has value. That being said, his style of play makes him a high injury risk and he has still has the negative baggage that means he may not land on a good team next season. Whatever happens between Kolb and him in PHI, he will be starting somewhere next year and could put up very good numbers for a season or two. I wouldn't want him as my QB1, but as a QB3 this season and QB2 next season, yes, he has value. As someone else said, he is the kind of guy you can plug in for your starter when starter has a bad matchup, and Vick is quite capable of putting up 30 points for you. He doesn't usually put up less than 10 points because of his running. But his age and injury concerns and character issues would make me value him at only a QB2 and never a QB1 at this point in his career.

 

[SSOG]

Any new thoughts on Vick's dynasty value? He's obviously proving he still has value, but the question is just how much. Even if Kolb ends up returning from injury and producing at an even higher level than Vick has these last two games, the guy is going to get a shot somewhere. And produce.

I've got him 16th in my latest dynasty rankings. I think he's putting up quality fantasy QB1 production for someone next season.

 

[JHicks22]

Am I the only one intrigued by Vick's future potential? Hes no spring chicken but he has evolved/matured as a NFL quarterback. The itch to bail out of the pocket early has been seen less and he is actually staying home more often and making strong throws. I like what I have seen thus far.

 

[JetMaxx]

There are a lot of teams that are desperate for quality QB play. If he can go to a team with a solid support system and coaching staff like the Eagles have around him now, he could be very productive.

 

[Heisman187]

If he goes to the Vikings I would say he is top 10 in dynasty