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Mike Goodson traded to Raiders (1 Viewer)

I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.

 
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
Perhaps because he wasn't a free agent.
 
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
Perhaps because he wasn't a free agent.
Well, that would be a good reason. :lmao: :bag:
 
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I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
Perhaps because he wasn't a free agent.
Well, that would be a good reason. :lmao: :bag:
WE've all had our brain burps squshy. :hophead:
 
Fiddlesticks.

I saw the headline and was expecting the Raiders to cough up a first and decond round pick for Goodson.

 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
Agreed, as of right now, Goodson is the DMC cuff imo.....
I don't see it. I think he will be behind Taiwan.125 career attempts, 4.0 ypc, and 5 fumbles.

He can't be trusted as anything more than a special teams player imo,

and a 3rd down back who can catch the ball in the flat.
Besides one preseason game against Saints 2nd & 3rd teamers, how do you know Taiwan is any good?
post of the thread.
I guess I could ask the same question about a RB who has a total of 125 carries at 4.0 and 5 fumbles.Taiwan has a higher ceiling, imo.
Yes, but why? Don't get me wrong, as a Raiders fan, I hope you're right on. But in the few touches he had last season, it was clear that he's one raw runner. When he takes the handoff, he's usually running out of control and at full speed right away, no patience. No telling if he's any good at pass blocking either since he didn't get too many chances. My other concern is that he's kind of a stringy 6'0, 195. Hopefully he puts on some weight cause there were a few carries last season where he looked like a rag doll. There is no way he steps in and carries the load if/when McFadden goes down, not with that build.

I would put my money on Goodson or someone else not on the roster yet. Taiwan seems like more of a COP back to me.

 
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Fiddlesticks.I saw the headline and was expecting the Raiders to cough up a first and decond round pick for Goodson.
strangely enough so did I
The only reason they didn't is that they didn't have any to part with this year and I guess Hurney was too stupid to ask for next years picks.
I like the trade for the Panthers.
Just adds much needed depth.On a side note, after watching the Path to the Draft on NFL network I would be extremely happy if the Panthers took the Stanford guard Decastro. Holy crap that dude is an animal and loves to hit people. I know its not an immediate need but anytime you can protect your QB a little better and upgrade the running game is always a nice feature for your team. One guy on the show said he would revolutionize the guard position. I have no idea what he meant by that but it sounded cool.
 
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
bc goodson has actually produced for a stretch. id imagine the raiders dont know who will be the main backup, so its about handicapping who will win the job. jones has crazy speed, but ppl, and coaches, like to pigeonhole his type to spot duty.
 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
Agreed, as of right now, Goodson is the DMC cuff imo.....
I don't see it. I think he will be behind Taiwan.125 career attempts, 4.0 ypc, and 5 fumbles.

He can't be trusted as anything more than a special teams player imo,

and a 3rd down back who can catch the ball in the flat.
Besides one preseason game against Saints 2nd & 3rd teamers, how do you know Taiwan is any good?
post of the thread.
I guess I could ask the same question about a RB who has a total of 125 carries at 4.0 and 5 fumbles.Taiwan has a higher ceiling, imo.
Yes, but why? Don't get me wrong, as a Raiders fan, I hope you're right on. But in the few touches he had last season, it was clear that he's one raw runner. When he takes the handoff, he's usually running out of control and at full speed right away, no patience. No telling if he's any good at pass blocking either since he didn't get too many chances. My other concern is that he's kind of a stringy 6'0, 195. Hopefully he puts on some weight cause there were a few carries last season where he looked like a rag doll. There is no way he steps in and carries the load if/when McFadden goes down, not with that build.

I would put my money on Goodson or someone else not on the roster yet. Taiwan seems like more of a COP back to me.
Which was what Goodson was at Carolina. So that begs the question, if Jones is viewed only as a COP back, then why bring in another COP back as the answer to who replaces Bush? This would suggest to me that Jones is probably penciled in as the #2 unless the Raiders think that Goodson is more than a COP.
 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
Agreed, as of right now, Goodson is the DMC cuff imo.....
I don't see it. I think he will be behind Taiwan.125 career attempts, 4.0 ypc, and 5 fumbles.

He can't be trusted as anything more than a special teams player imo,

and a 3rd down back who can catch the ball in the flat.
Besides one preseason game against Saints 2nd & 3rd teamers, how do you know Taiwan is any good?
post of the thread.
I guess I could ask the same question about a RB who has a total of 125 carries at 4.0 and 5 fumbles.Taiwan has a higher ceiling, imo.
Yes, but why? Don't get me wrong, as a Raiders fan, I hope you're right on. But in the few touches he had last season, it was clear that he's one raw runner. When he takes the handoff, he's usually running out of control and at full speed right away, no patience. No telling if he's any good at pass blocking either since he didn't get too many chances. My other concern is that he's kind of a stringy 6'0, 195. Hopefully he puts on some weight cause there were a few carries last season where he looked like a rag doll. There is no way he steps in and carries the load if/when McFadden goes down, not with that build.

I would put my money on Goodson or someone else not on the roster yet. Taiwan seems like more of a COP back to me.
Which was what Goodson was at Carolina. So that begs the question, if Jones is viewed only as a COP back, then why bring in another COP back as the answer to who replaces Bush? This would suggest to me that Jones is probably penciled in as the #2 unless the Raiders think that Goodson is more than a COP.
Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
Agreed, as of right now, Goodson is the DMC cuff imo.....
I don't see it. I think he will be behind Taiwan.125 career attempts, 4.0 ypc, and 5 fumbles.

He can't be trusted as anything more than a special teams player imo,

and a 3rd down back who can catch the ball in the flat.
Besides one preseason game against Saints 2nd & 3rd teamers, how do you know Taiwan is any good?
post of the thread.
I guess I could ask the same question about a RB who has a total of 125 carries at 4.0 and 5 fumbles.Taiwan has a higher ceiling, imo.
Yes, but why? Don't get me wrong, as a Raiders fan, I hope you're right on. But in the few touches he had last season, it was clear that he's one raw runner. When he takes the handoff, he's usually running out of control and at full speed right away, no patience. No telling if he's any good at pass blocking either since he didn't get too many chances. My other concern is that he's kind of a stringy 6'0, 195. Hopefully he puts on some weight cause there were a few carries last season where he looked like a rag doll. There is no way he steps in and carries the load if/when McFadden goes down, not with that build.

I would put my money on Goodson or someone else not on the roster yet. Taiwan seems like more of a COP back to me.
Which was what Goodson was at Carolina. So that begs the question, if Jones is viewed only as a COP back, then why bring in another COP back as the answer to who replaces Bush? This would suggest to me that Jones is probably penciled in as the #2 unless the Raiders think that Goodson is more than a COP.
Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
both.
 
Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
both.
And it seems that he also had serious fumbling issues - http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/230888/panthers-swap-goodson-to-raiders-for-campbell
A 25-year-old former fourth-round pick out of Texas A&M, Goodson was unable to earn a role in Carolina's backfield rotation due to chronic fumbling. He's put the ball on the ground seven times among 125 career carries.
 
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Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
both.
And it appearss that he had serious fumbling issues - http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/230888/panthers-swap-goodson-to-raiders-for-campbell
A 25-year-old former fourth-round pick out of Texas A&M, Goodson was unable to earn a role in Carolina's backfield rotation due to chronic fumbling. He's put the ball on the ground seven times among 125 career carries.
I know very little about Goodson, can't speak for how good he is.But again, will someone inform my as to why Taiwan's worthy of being the #2 back for Oakland, besides the fact that he's the only backup left from last year?

What has he shown you? What info do you guys have that I don't?

Is it just because some of you own him in a Dyansty and hope he pans out?

 
Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
both.
And it appearss that he had serious fumbling issues - http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/230888/panthers-swap-goodson-to-raiders-for-campbell
A 25-year-old former fourth-round pick out of Texas A&M, Goodson was unable to earn a role in Carolina's backfield rotation due to chronic fumbling. He's put the ball on the ground seven times among 125 career carries.
I know very little about Goodson, can't speak for how good he is.But again, will someone inform my as to why Taiwan's worthy of being the #2 back for Oakland, besides the fact that he's the only backup left from last year?

What has he shown you? What info do you guys have that I don't? Is it just because some of you own him in a Dyansty and hope he pans out?
Notthing more than the people who claim he is only a COP RB have seen. He did not get enough touches to say anything definitively either way. Maybe he can cut it, maybe he can't. It is a good sign though that the Raiders did not look at or sign a Bush type replacement so it is arguable that they have him penciled in as the #2 RB.
 
Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
both.
And it appearss that he had serious fumbling issues - http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/230888/panthers-swap-goodson-to-raiders-for-campbell
A 25-year-old former fourth-round pick out of Texas A&M, Goodson was unable to earn a role in Carolina's backfield rotation due to chronic fumbling. He's put the ball on the ground seven times among 125 career carries.
I know very little about Goodson, can't speak for how good he is.But again, will someone inform my as to why Taiwan's worthy of being the #2 back for Oakland, besides the fact that he's the only backup left from last year?

What has he shown you? What info do you guys have that I don't? Is it just because some of you own him in a Dyansty and hope he pans out?
Notthing more than the people who claim he is only a COP RB have seen. He did not get enough touches to say anything definitively either way. Maybe he can cut it, maybe he can't. It is a good sign though that the Raiders did not look at or sign a Bush type replacement so it is arguable that they have him penciled in as the #2 RB.
I don't think Taiwan is the next coming of Arian Foster, but I do think he has tremendous upsidefrom what I've seen of him in college. He has all the tools, he needs to develop patience to allow

the play to open up in front of him and bulk up with another 10-15, but I think the kid can be a star if he stays healthy.

Although right now I view him as a solid prospect with upside. His injury last season was not structural in nature.

He's a buy and hold imo.

 
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
Last year Goodson was considered a top RB prospect after he had a very good 2010 as a backup. He showed a lot of skill both running and catching. Then last year he got hurt and didn't get much play.
 
Was Goodson change of pace? Or buried on a talented depth chart?
both.
And it appearss that he had serious fumbling issues - http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/230888/panthers-swap-goodson-to-raiders-for-campbell
A 25-year-old former fourth-round pick out of Texas A&M, Goodson was unable to earn a role in Carolina's backfield rotation due to chronic fumbling. He's put the ball on the ground seven times among 125 career carries.
I know very little about Goodson, can't speak for how good he is.But again, will someone inform my as to why Taiwan's worthy of being the #2 back for Oakland, besides the fact that he's the only backup left from last year?

What has he shown you? What info do you guys have that I don't? Is it just because some of you own him in a Dyansty and hope he pans out?
Notthing more than the people who claim he is only a COP RB have seen. He did not get enough touches to say anything definitively either way. Maybe he can cut it, maybe he can't. It is a good sign though that the Raiders did not look at or sign a Bush type replacement so it is arguable that they have him penciled in as the #2 RB.
I don't think Taiwan is the next coming of Arian Foster, but I do think he has tremendous upsidefrom what I've seen of him in college. He has all the tools, he needs to develop patience to allow

the play to open up in front of him and bulk up with another 10-15, but I think the kid can be a star if he stays healthy.

Although right now I view him as a solid prospect with upside. His injury last season was not structural in nature.

He's a buy and hold imo.
I agree, I'd love to see him bulk up a little.
 
Taiwan is a speed only rb that is too raw and needs a lot of work. Goodson is the back to own after mcfadden gets hurt.

 
Just as a general comment, the term 'raw' for a RB isn't one I am comfortable with. For the most part, players can run or they can't.

Taiwan showed a little flash here and there in limited carries. And showed legit speed. That's pretty much it. Is he a 20 carry guy? Probably not, but there's only like 6 of those guys in the league anyway.

I guess I am also a little skeptical of anyone speaking confidently about Taiwan. I have seen every play this kid has played including preseason, and I have no idea what he is yet.

 
Kind of like Felix Jones, I would prefer TJ not put on weight and just focus on building strength and honing his knowledge of the game. Pass catching. Pass blocking.

Don't have to be big to learn how to time and cut out the legs of a pass rusher.

There are hardly any bell cows these days anyway.

 
'squistion said:
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
He wasn't a FA.I'm curious what people see in Taiwan Jones other than a fragile player that can't pass block and flies 5 yards backwards in the air every time he's hit. Forget being a full-time player, I don't think he holds up being a bit player.
 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
I smell Bias.How can he be starter material in your mind yet you were pondering cutting him?

 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
I smell Bias.How can he be starter material in your mind yet you were pondering cutting him?
Probably cause guys that are RB4's on their team don't see the field much.
 
Goodson is extremely talented and is starter material IMO. I think this is great for him as there is a high likelihood that DMC will miss games and he should have an opportunity to shine in an offense that should fit his style (which is similar to DMC).

As a dynasty owner who was considering cutting him, this is great news.
I smell Bias.How can he be starter material in your mind yet you were pondering cutting him?
Probably cause guys that are RB4's on their team don't see the field much.
:goodposting: Exactly. I love his talent but I'm not going to hold on to 3rd/4th stringers if they aren't going to get a shot. Now, I will keep him because he's got a good shot to start/succeed due to DMC's frailty.

 
'squistion said:
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
He wasn't a FA.I'm curious what people see in Taiwan Jones other than a fragile player that can't pass block and flies 5 yards backwards in the air every time he's hit. Forget being a full-time player, I don't think he holds up being a bit player.
Oh, not much... maybe the fact that over half of his TDs as a senior were over 50 yards in length (note: he had 17 TDs) and he totaled over 700 yards that were tied to TD plays. Who would want that type of game changing ability? He also had 245 touches that year. Some of the comments in here are based on myth, emotion, and perception. He needs core strength improvement... that is what the offseason is for and he didn't have one last year.
 
Panthers are still open to trading Stewart people, let's see what happens in the next 3 weeks. :popcorn:
Wishful thinking. Stewart isn't going anywhere.
Sutton will play Goodson's role. They still have 4 very capable backs on the roster.
They have 3 capable backs. Stewart is definitely staying put, which is the right decision for Carolina.
Is this a serious comment? I just wonder how anyone thinks it is smart to have 2 very good starting RB's and another capable back in Tolbert on a team that has so many holes? While not on the same level, would it be smart to have Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning on the same team? No, it would make sense to trade one of them as there is no advantage to keep them both but there is an advantage to trade one of them. It is most definitely NOT a good decision to keep both Stewart and Deangelo on the same team, just as it was a bad decision to re-sign DWill to his contract before last year.
 
Panthers are still open to trading Stewart people, let's see what happens in the next 3 weeks. :popcorn:
Wishful thinking. Stewart isn't going anywhere.
Sutton will play Goodson's role. They still have 4 very capable backs on the roster.
They have 3 capable backs. Stewart is definitely staying put, which is the right decision for Carolina.
Is this a serious comment? I just wonder how anyone thinks it is smart to have 2 very good starting RB's and another capable back in Tolbert on a team that has so many holes? While not on the same level, would it be smart to have Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning on the same team? No, it would make sense to trade one of them as there is no advantage to keep them both but there is an advantage to trade one of them. It is most definitely NOT a good decision to keep both Stewart and Deangelo on the same team, just as it was a bad decision to re-sign DWill to his contract before last year.
Of course it's a serious comment. DeAngelo is getting older and is not the bellcow he once was.Having Stewart and DWill together makes perfect sense. Teams are realizing the importance of multiple skilled RBs, and Carolina is no different. It's a smart way to organize a running attack in today's NFL.
 
Panthers RB Mike Goodson revealed on his Twitter account Friday that he has been traded to the Oakland Raiders.

Related: PanthersSource: Mike Goodson on Twitter Mar 30 - 3:06 PM

Wrong guy!! :wall:
Not for Taiwan Jones owners.
Meaning a good thing for Jones?
Yes, Goodson is not a replacement for Bush, has never been seen as a 3 down back. Means there is still hope that Jones could be DMC's handcuff.
My initial reaction was that it put a damper on taiwan's sleeper appeal
Yeah, I don't know which way to take this one. I would hope Jones still had a shot and I kinda see goodson as being the same role as Bush (in the sense that he is very different than Jones and Jones is more like DMAC).But I know there a re a lot of people that have always thought Goodson was very good in his limited opportunities. I don't know enough about him really.

I guess if any Carolina back had to be traded to Oakland this was the one that would least upset an apple cart. DWIL or JSTEW to Oakland would have been an interesting topic to discuss.

Why, O fantasy football gods, can't the Broncos make a long distance call to Carolina? I don't care which one they take..just take one!
:hey: I was/am one of those guys. I remember being impressed by his speed and how hard he ran when he was given the opportunity. I always thought he could be a productive back if given the chance. This is a pretty good move for Goodson and his fantasy value should go up.

If DMC gets hurt can Goodson be the kind of guy that steps in and handles 20 touches a game and puts up startable fantasy points? Personally I think he can be that type of guy and could see him assuming that type of role before Jones does.

 
'squistion said:
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
He wasn't a FA.I'm curious what people see in Taiwan Jones other than a fragile player that can't pass block and flies 5 yards backwards in the air every time he's hit. Forget being a full-time player, I don't think he holds up being a bit player.
Oh, not much... maybe the fact that over half of his TDs as a senior were over 50 yards in length (note: he had 17 TDs) and he totaled over 700 yards that were tied to TD plays. Who would want that type of game changing ability? He also had 245 touches that year. Some of the comments in here are based on myth, emotion, and perception. He needs core strength improvement... that is what the offseason is for and he didn't have one last year.
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'squistion said:
I am curious why anybody thinks Goodson is a threat to Taiwan Jones - maybe I am mis-remembering but was anybody talking about Goodson as being one of the top RB free agents in this year's market? Was he talked about in the same breath as Michael Bush (if that is who he would be replacing) by anyone? Maybe I am wrong, but he seemed pretty much off the radar among the hot free agent RB possibilities.
He wasn't a FA.I'm curious what people see in Taiwan Jones other than a fragile player that can't pass block and flies 5 yards backwards in the air every time he's hit. Forget being a full-time player, I don't think he holds up being a bit player.
Oh, not much... maybe the fact that over half of his TDs as a senior were over 50 yards in length (note: he had 17 TDs) and he totaled over 700 yards that were tied to TD plays. Who would want that type of game changing ability? He also had 245 touches that year. Some of the comments in here are based on myth, emotion, and perception. He needs core strength improvement... that is what the offseason is for and he didn't have one last year.
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It's too early to tell if Taiwan's offseason work, (I've heard he's put in the time), will pay off. But he's gotten maybe too much praise and too much hate for his limited time on the field. I am in the opinion that Taiwan and not Goodson will be the handcuff to DMC. Maybe it's what I'm rooting for, I'll admit. I have no vested fantasy football bias.

Goodson has a glaring fumbling issue, but that can be corrected with good coaching. His running style is ideal for the ZBS blocking, one-cut-and-go system. He's had some success in special teams in Carolina. All positives for him making the team. But if DMC does go down, I'd be happy to see TJ get the call and put him in open space. We all have seen the stutter-quick moves, though he's not as polished as CJ, he has the upside. In terms of overall talent, it's no contest that TJ has more upside than Goodson.

For Goodson to even stick with the Raiders, he needs to correct the fumbling issues. He needs to buy into the accountability that Coach Allen insists on. Protect the rock or else. Or else he won't make it out of training camp.

 

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