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The Detroit Lions have fired offensive coordinator Mike Martz and promoted offensive line coach Jim Colleto and wide receivers coach Kippy Brown to run the offense in his place, a source in the organization told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Colleto will be named offensive coordinator and remain as the offensive line coach, while Brown is being promoted to assistant head coach and passing game coordinator, and will also serve as running backs coach.

In other changes, the Lions promoted Shawn Jefferson from offensive assistant to wide receivers coach and fired Martz's son, Tim Martz, as an offensive assistant.

On Sunday, after their season ended with a loss to the Green Bay Packers, members of the Lions offense said the blame should be on them.

"You can keep changing coaches, but every time you change them that's a new system,'' said quarterback Jon Kitna. "The reality is, the games that we lost, the majority, the times that things didn't go right, it was self-inflicted stuff.

"It wasn't a coaching thing where you were outcoached or they weren't putting you in a position to be successful. There were plays to be made, and we didn't make them for whatever reason that is.''

However, Martz is not expected to be out of work for long. According to media reports, the San Francisco 49ers will seek him out as a replacement for current offensive coordinator Jim Hostler.

Martz led the St. Louis Rams to the playoffs in four of his five full seasons as a head coach, including a Super Bowl after the 2001 season, and helped the franchise win the 2000 Super Bowl as offensive coordinator. The Rams went 51-29 in the regular season and 54-33 overall during his five full seasons as coach.

 
jeter23 said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3177253

The Detroit Lions have fired offensive coordinator Mike Martz and promoted offensive line coach Jim Colleto and wide receivers coach Kippy Brown to run the offense in his place, a source in the organization told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Colleto will be named offensive coordinator and remain as the offensive line coach, while Brown is being promoted to assistant head coach and passing game coordinator, and will also serve as running backs coach.

In other changes, the Lions promoted Shawn Jefferson from offensive assistant to wide receivers coach and fired Martz's son, Tim Martz, as an offensive assistant.

On Sunday, after their season ended with a loss to the Green Bay Packers, members of the Lions offense said the blame should be on them.

"You can keep changing coaches, but every time you change them that's a new system,'' said quarterback Jon Kitna. "The reality is, the games that we lost, the majority, the times that things didn't go right, it was self-inflicted stuff.

"It wasn't a coaching thing where you were outcoached or they weren't putting you in a position to be successful. There were plays to be made, and we didn't make them for whatever reason that is.''

However, Martz is not expected to be out of work for long. According to media reports, the San Francisco 49ers will seek him out as a replacement for current offensive coordinator Jim Hostler.

Martz led the St. Louis Rams to the playoffs in four of his five full seasons as a head coach, including a Super Bowl after the 2001 season, and helped the franchise win the 2000 Super Bowl as offensive coordinator. The Rams went 51-29 in the regular season and 54-33 overall during his five full seasons as coach.
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er okay..... so Kitna's gone too....

 
ARGH! Let's hope they can find someone who can develop Drew Stanton. The Martz connection was the most appealing thing about Stanton.

 
noneother said:
jeter23 said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3177253

The Detroit Lions have fired offensive coordinator Mike Martz and promoted offensive line coach Jim Colleto and wide receivers coach Kippy Brown to run the offense in his place, a source in the organization told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Colleto will be named offensive coordinator and remain as the offensive line coach, while Brown is being promoted to assistant head coach and passing game coordinator, and will also serve as running backs coach.

In other changes, the Lions promoted Shawn Jefferson from offensive assistant to wide receivers coach and fired Martz's son, Tim Martz, as an offensive assistant.

On Sunday, after their season ended with a loss to the Green Bay Packers, members of the Lions offense said the blame should be on them.

"You can keep changing coaches, but every time you change them that's a new system,'' said quarterback Jon Kitna. "The reality is, the games that we lost, the majority, the times that things didn't go right, it was self-inflicted stuff.

"It wasn't a coaching thing where you were outcoached or they weren't putting you in a position to be successful. There were plays to be made, and we didn't make them for whatever reason that is.''

However, Martz is not expected to be out of work for long. According to media reports, the San Francisco 49ers will seek him out as a replacement for current offensive coordinator Jim Hostler.

Martz led the St. Louis Rams to the playoffs in four of his five full seasons as a head coach, including a Super Bowl after the 2001 season, and helped the franchise win the 2000 Super Bowl as offensive coordinator. The Rams went 51-29 in the regular season and 54-33 overall during his five full seasons as coach.
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er okay..... so Kitna's gone too....
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I'm not sure that's really a threat. A few teams need a QB. And he probably wouldn't be decapitated like he was this year. No other QB was sacked more than Kitna. He isn't a young kid anymore, his body can't take that kind of abuse for much longer.
 
Didnt read in other Stanton threads that he was not the coachs pick for a QB? if he was martz boy and not the coach's choice, this could suck for him.... Anyone care to help correct me, I am going off of memory on this. I not a detroit homer.

 
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006.

If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?

 
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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If Martz goes to SF there goes Gore's value I guess?
 
BILLIEVE said:
So they make changes to the coaching staff but don't fire their "GM" Matt Millen?
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You think Mr. Ford would fire Millen after his best year?? Come on. We here in Detroit don't even bother...we know Millen is here for the long haul.Unfortunately.
 
benm3218 said:
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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If Martz goes to SF there goes Gore's value I guess?
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Down. The guy doesn't run the ball.
 
This was a dumb move by a dumb GM. Martz's system is difficult to grasp at first, but once the players know it and execute it well, it's an awesome system.

IMO this was really a power struggle between Marinelli and Martz, as it appears that many of the players liked Martz. And if there were problems in DET it was defense, NOT offense.

 
dudaman said:
ARGH! Let's hope they can find someone who can develop Drew Stanton. The Martz connection was the most appealing thing about Stanton.
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Stanton was another horrible draft pick. Think of the players they could have instead. A few LB's come to mind.
 
switz said:
This was a dumb move by a dumb GM. Martz's system is difficult to grasp at first, but once the players know it and execute it well, it's an awesome system.IMO this was really a power struggle between Marinelli and Martz, as it appears that many of the players liked Martz. And if there were problems in DET it was defense, NOT offense.
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Disagree.He shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Marinelli preached running the ball and then hires Martz. Didn't make sense.And the defense played well when you consider their talent level. The offense was supposed to be explosive and in the 2 years Martz has been here, it's been average.
 
Payne said:
benm3218 said:
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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If Martz goes to SF there goes Gore's value I guess?
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Down. The guy doesn't run the ball.
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Yep guys like Marshall Faulk, Trung Canidate, Arlen Harris, & Steven Jackson were all terrible under Martz.Seriously, ANY improvement in the 49ers offense can only help Gore who played on a TERRIBLE offensive team.
 
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006.

If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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I posted in another thread that if this happens, people need to grab Arnaz Battle as fast as they can. And yes, Smith's numbers would go way up too. The Martz system just about guarantees his QB will get clobbered a lot, but while he's playing the numbers will be good. If you have Smith, assume some time lost due to injury. Warner and Bulger always lost time, and it's amazing Kitna has held up as well as he has with all the sacks.That said, new GM McCloughan (who was already a personnel guy with the team but was promoted) denied the rumor yesterday that Martz was coming to town. Of course, I'd love to have a dollar for every denied rumor I've seen come true.

 
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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Yes upgrade Shaun Smith alot. Oh thats right, Alex will be the starter next year. I think Shaun has proved that he can play in this league.
 
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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Kitna stunk the last half of the season anyway.
 
Payne said:
switz said:
This was a dumb move by a dumb GM. Martz's system is difficult to grasp at first, but once the players know it and execute it well, it's an awesome system.

IMO this was really a power struggle between Marinelli and Martz, as it appears that many of the players liked Martz. And if there were problems in DET it was defense, NOT offense.
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Disagree.He shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Marinelli preached running the ball and then hires Martz. Didn't make sense.

And the defense played well when you consider their talent level. The offense was supposed to be explosive and in the 2 years Martz has been here, it's been average.
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Maybe he shouldn't have been hired - but then the firing only makes two mistakes, and two wrongs don't make a right. Especially considering his replacements...As for the defense, they have more talent than you are giving them credit for, and they should play better. The defensive coaching has stunk all year, except for maybe two games. If anyone should have been fired, fire the DC and the LB coach.

 
The funny thing is Millen just keeps his job. This team seriously lacks talent at

All offensive line positions except maybe center.

Tight End.

QB

RB

LB

FS

SS

CB

 
Payne said:
dudaman said:
ARGH! Let's hope they can find someone who can develop Drew Stanton. The Martz connection was the most appealing thing about Stanton.
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Stanton was another horrible draft pick. Think of the players they could have instead. A few LB's come to mind.
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That's water over the dam now. dudaman like me drafted Stanton because of Martz and the WR's, and now half of that rationale is gone. That's just us speaking as FF players.From an NFL standpoint, Martz is a disaster IMHO, especially given how little regard he has for his QB's safety, and also for how little the quality of his RB has to do with what he does in the running game. He's Gollum, and the passing game is his ring.
 
shadyridr said:
Payne said:
benm3218 said:
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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If Martz goes to SF there goes Gore's value I guess?
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Down. The guy doesn't run the ball.
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Yep guys like Marshall Faulk, Trung Canidate, Arlen Harris, & Steven Jackson were all terrible under Martz.Seriously, ANY improvement in the 49ers offense can only help Gore who played on a TERRIBLE offensive team.
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I hear what you are saying, but if Martz does go to SF, Gore owners better pray the 49ers don't play from behind...Ever! Kevin Jones was about as good of a receiving threat as there is at RB, yet he was getting less than 10 touches a game if they were behind at all. Gore may have more talent than KJ, but he's no Faulk.
 
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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Smith sucked in 2006, he was among the worst starters in the league. He also sucked in 2005 and 2007. It's safe to say he will suck in 2008, if he's even still the starter.
 
shadyridr said:
Payne said:
benm3218 said:
burd said:
can we officially downgrade Kitna now that Martz is gone? i mean, look how much Alex Smith regressed after losing his OC Norv Turner prior to 2007. Even before the injury, Alex was really struggling after making some strides in 2006. If it's true that Martz goes to SF, what are we looking at as far as upside for Smith? Can Martz turn him into a capable QB?
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If Martz goes to SF there goes Gore's value I guess?
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Down. The guy doesn't run the ball.
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Yep guys like Marshall Faulk, Trung Canidate, Arlen Harris, & Steven Jackson were all terrible under Martz.Seriously, ANY improvement in the 49ers offense can only help Gore who played on a TERRIBLE offensive team.
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You know what I'm saying. When he ran the ball with Jones, the Lions were a better team. Yet he rarely did that.At least twice this season Marinelli spoke up after a loss about the need to run the ball more. The next week Jones would get a heavier load and the Lions were actually competitive. I think next year you'll see the Lions running the ball a lot more than this year. Of course....WHO is going to be running the ball is a different story.
 
PantherPower said:
as a Calvin owner in 7 dynasty leagues, all I can say is :) :) :pickle: :thumbup: :thanks: :bye: :clap: :towelwave: :bye: :yes:
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:headbang: They will pass less, not more. Under Martz he would have had monster numbers in future years. He still may, but it won't be as easy. He'll be blocking for runners a lot more next year though, so if your league gives points for that, it's all good. :hifive:
 
BILLIEVE said:
PantherPower said:
as a Calvin owner in 7 dynasty leagues, all I can say is :bye: :bye: :pickle: :thumbup: :hifive: :yes: :thanks: :towelwave: :) :clap:
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Kind of awkward you got him in every league you run. FYI I read the posts about you.
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:headbang: What do you find awkward about that? I drafted him in the 3rd round of a start up dynasty, either earned a top 3 rookie pick or traded for a top 3 pick at the end of last year to get him in 5 rookie drafts, and traded for him during the season in 1 league.
 
Couch Potato said:
PantherPower said:
as a Calvin owner in 7 dynasty leagues, all I can say is :) :) :pickle: :thumbup: :thanks: :bye: :clap: :towelwave: :bye: :yes:
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:headbang: They will pass less, not more. Under Martz he would have had monster numbers in future years. He still may, but it won't be as easy. He'll be blocking for runners a lot more next year though, so if your league gives points for that, it's all good. :hifive:
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True, they probably will throw less, but it should lead to a better offense, with more scoring opportunities. So many times this year that team either turned the ball over, or teams would play the pass and there were a lot of 3 downs and punts.
 
2 mysteries of life.

1. How in the hell is Isaiah Thomas still employed by the Knicks.

2. How does Matt Millen still hold his job in Detroit.

 
Just announced that Hostler was fired as OC of the 49ers. That was a given, but now it's official. I expect we'll know within 48 hours whether Mad Mike is really being considered as his replacement or whether the rumors were unfounded.

 
I already posted why I'm happy as a Calvin owner. That Lions offense was HORRIBLE. No balance, lots of turnovers, and 3 downs and punts. I believe Calvin and Roy will benefit from a new offense. Just my opinion of course.

 
PantherPower said:
I already posted why I'm happy as a Calvin owner. That Lions offense was HORRIBLE. No balance, lots of turnovers, and 3 downs and punts. I believe Calvin and Roy will benefit from a new offense. Just my opinion of course.
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The Lions changing offensive coordinators isnt going to win you any fantasy titles
 
Ron_Mexico said:
2 mysteries of life.

1. How in the hell is Isaiah Thomas still employed by the Knicks.

2. How does Matt Millen still hold his job in Detroit.
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#1 is easy. After that big $$$ extension they gave him last year, and knowing he'll never get another HC job, they don't want to be on the hook for all that salary plus a big fat salary for a new coach. Where they really blew it was extending him last year when the team hadn't shown much.
 
RBM said:
PantherPower said:
I already posted why I'm happy as a Calvin owner. That Lions offense was HORRIBLE. No balance, lots of turnovers, and 3 downs and punts. I believe Calvin and Roy will benefit from a new offense. Just my opinion of course.
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The Lions changing offensive coordinators isnt going to win you any fantasy titles
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Really? We'll, you're probably right, i think having a good QB, RB core, TE, and a few good WRs is probably more important. Oh, and luck. :hifive:
 
Seriously though, you can see where this is going. Lions come out as a spread, pass-first team and Kevin Jones finds lots of room and looks great. But the team struggles so now they are going to try to become a running team. After spending the last 4 years structuring to become a Martz-esque passing team. They are probably right to do it, but that doesnt change the fact that this is a u-turn for this organizations philosophy and its going to take a couple more seasons to assemble the personel and system for the change.

Martz wasnt the problem here- Kitna turns the ball over way too much (unforced errors are the real killer), but he was also flat on his back way too much, and without Roy Williams this offense just doesnt go.

 
mbuehner said:
Seriously though, you can see where this is going. Lions come out as a spread, pass-first team and Kevin Jones finds lots of room and looks great. But the team struggles so now they are going to try to become a running team. After spending the last 4 years structuring to become a Martz-esque passing team. They are probably right to do it, but that doesnt change the fact that this is a u-turn for this organizations philosophy and its going to take a couple more seasons to assemble the personel and system for the change.Martz wasnt the problem here- Kitna turns the ball over way too much (unforced errors are the real killer), but he was also flat on his back way too much, and without Roy Williams this offense just doesnt go.
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The running game will help the pass protection. Not every QB, O-line, and passing scheme can create its own protection by quick releases of the ball as is done in pass first systems like in Indy or NE. As he did for years in St. Louis, Martz stripped guys away from pass protection in the name of adding more passing routes and receivers, and the QB paid the price. Passing based schemes are becoming the norm, but even with that backdrop Martz stands out as an extremist.
 
redman said:
mbuehner said:
Seriously though, you can see where this is going. Lions come out as a spread, pass-first team and Kevin Jones finds lots of room and looks great. But the team struggles so now they are going to try to become a running team. After spending the last 4 years structuring to become a Martz-esque passing team. They are probably right to do it, but that doesnt change the fact that this is a u-turn for this organizations philosophy and its going to take a couple more seasons to assemble the personel and system for the change.Martz wasnt the problem here- Kitna turns the ball over way too much (unforced errors are the real killer), but he was also flat on his back way too much, and without Roy Williams this offense just doesnt go.
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The running game will help the pass protection. Not every QB, O-line, and passing scheme can create its own protection by quick releases of the ball as is done in pass first systems like in Indy or NE. As he did for years in St. Louis, Martz stripped guys away from pass protection in the name of adding more passing routes and receivers, and the QB paid the price. Passing based schemes are becoming the norm, but even with that backdrop Martz stands out as an extremist.
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If Detroit lines up in the I to run the ball, they arent going to run the ball very well, which will mean 3rd and 8s with defenses teeing up on the drop back even more. This team hasnt shown itself talented enough to be a run first team- which again makes sense because it wasnt built to be. That doesnt mean it cant be- just that its a questionable decision after all the resources sunk into the passing game. Its hard NOT to look good running the ball in a Martz system BECAUSE defenses know you could pass at any time. That doesnt mean you can suddenly run the ball 50/50 or 40/60 and continue to be successful. Maybe Martz is too extreme, I wont argue that. But i really don't think Kitna is the guy. He just isnt accurate enough, nor disciplined enough to get the ball out of his hands hell or highwater. At his best he looks great, but he just doesnt play at his best consistantly enough to help. I grant you there may only be half a dozen guys in the league that fit that description, but Kitna isnt one of them.
 
I think most Lions fans would welcome a new QB. I like Kitna, but like a RB hitting 30, I think he's definitely on the decline.

 
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