Mike Martz says Pats are legitimate champions (1 Viewer)

[Phlash]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.EDIT: Ugh, gave the Patriots haters fuel... fixed title to what I intended in the first place

 

[Fantaholic]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

It doesn't matter Phlash. People want the Patriots to burn regardless of what evidence may come to light. But, good posting!

 

[gman8343]

Steroids in baseball are commonplace. Barry Bonds is the legitimate home run king.

 

[jurb26]

I would place this under the category of "no duh." Still, it's funny to see everyone jump up on their soap box now that it wasn't their team who got busted.

 

[Banger]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Please let it die. Your team was warned, along with every other team, and you got caught ON OPENING DAY. They have no one to blame except themselves. @ Mad Mike becoming the voice of reason...

 

[Phlash]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Please let it die. Your team was warned, along with every other team, and you got caught ON OPENING DAY. They have no one to blame except themselves. @ Mad Mike becoming the voice of reason...

He wasn't the only coach in this article to speak about this... notice the first line:

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

Of course, that doesn't agree with your vision of how it happened so you're just going to go against what professional NFL coaches say and go with your personal and unresearched opinion, which by the way, lacks credibility for a large variety of reasons.

 

[JohnnyU]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter. As for my response to Martz' statement, number of wrongs don't make a right. The Patriots were stupid enough to get caught, deal with it.

 

[Banger]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Please let it die. Your team was warned, along with every other team, and you got caught ON OPENING DAY. They have no one to blame except themselves. @ Mad Mike becoming the voice of reason...

He wasn't the only coach in this article to speak about this... notice the first line:

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

Of course, that doesn't agree with your vision of how it happened so you're just going to go against what professional NFL coaches say and go with your personal and unresearched opinion, which by the way, lacks credibility for a large variety of reasons.

Sounds like you've done a lot of research into this...In your extensive research on the subject how many teams did this last week after being warned in the offseason? Thanks.

 

[BigRed]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter.

Do a search on "TO" or "Vick" for the answer.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter. As for my response to Martz' statement, number of wrongs don't make a right. The Patriots were stupid enough to get caught, deal with it.

We are down to only 9 threads on the first page. We are making progress.

 

[Buckna]

 

[EBF]

Yea, I really don't understand the frenzy over this Patriots thing. It's pretty much a non-story to me. I've noticed for years that Jon Gruden always covers his lips when he calls plays into his microphone. I always thought he did that to prevent other teams from being able to decipher what he's saying. My guess is that this sort of espionage stuff is widespread.

Football is big business. With such high stakes, it shouldn't be a surprise that people will look for ways to exploit a situation for their own benefit. That's just the nature of the beast. There are cheaters and con men in every avenue of life.

 

[SaintArnold]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Just to be clear: it's not Martz that said it's commonplace. It's some anonymous coach. Martz says the Patriots beat them fair and square in the SuperBowl.

 

[Daywalker]

I think it's a noteworthy quote. I prefer a new thread rather then having to fish through an exsisting 15-page thread.

 

[suspected]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter. As for my response to Martz' statement, number of wrongs don't make a right. The Patriots were stupid enough to get caught, deal with it.

Very few are claiming that what the Pats did wasn't wrong. What is very much up for debate is whether their actions gave them a significant competitive advantage over the methods other teams use to steal signals. If a head coach says, "It's a bunch of nothing" I'd say he doesn't think it did.

 

[Banger]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Just to be clear: it's not Martz that said it's commonplace. It's some anonymous coach. Martz says the Patriots beat them fair and square in the SuperBowl.

That coach could be anyone, highschool, college, NFL, arena football, NFL europe....very solid quote

 

[apalmer]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Please let it die. Your team was warned, along with every other team, and you got caught ON OPENING DAY. They have no one to blame except themselves. @ Mad Mike becoming the voice of reason...

He wasn't the only coach in this article to speak about this... notice the first line:

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

Of course, that doesn't agree with your vision of how it happened so you're just going to go against what professional NFL coaches say and go with your personal and unresearched opinion, which by the way, lacks credibility for a large variety of reasons.

So, what you're saying is that the title of the thread is misleading. Martz didn't say that it was commonplace. Some other coach did.Nothing like cheating on your quotes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

For all we know, that anonymous head coach is saying that, because he knows his team does it, too, and he is trying to justify his own behavior by using the same old "everyone does it" song and dance.

 

[AnonymousBob]

What's Martz supposed to say? Should he whine and cry that they were cheated out of a Super Bowl? It's in the past and he's showing some class.

 

[Reaper]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Please let it die. Your team was warned, along with every other team, and you got caught ON OPENING DAY. They have no one to blame except themselves. @ Mad Mike becoming the voice of reason...

He wasn't the only coach in this article to speak about this... notice the first line:

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

Of course, that doesn't agree with your vision of how it happened so you're just going to go against what professional NFL coaches say and go with your personal and unresearched opinion, which by the way, lacks credibility for a large variety of reasons.

So, what you're saying is that the title of the thread is misleading. Martz didn't say that it was commonplace. Some other coach did.Nothing like cheating on your quotes.

:IBTL: Pfffffffffffffft.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Just to be clear: it's not Martz that said it's commonplace. It's some anonymous coach. Martz says the Patriots beat them fair and square in the SuperBowl.

My bet is that the anonymous coach is Belichick.

 

[Rogi]

Isn't this a basic lesson most of us learned as kids. Just because other people are doing it doesn't make it right.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter. As for my response to Martz' statement, number of wrongs don't make a right. The Patriots were stupid enough to get caught, deal with it.

Yes and I say the more the merrier. I just can't get enough I tells ya.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Classy by Martz here IMO...

Nothing to be gained by whining about the past...

 

[jon_mx]

Go Patriots*!

 

[The Jerk]

How many people need to post that Mike Martz did not say video signal stealing is commonplace before the thread title gets changed?According to the article, the actual words Martz spoke in total are:

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job. Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much. He won legitimately. Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did.

I understand the desire to defend your team and/or prove your previous points, but you might want to pay attention to what an article actually says, not what you want it to say.

 

[nygiants56]

Steroids in baseball are commonplace. Barry Bonds is the legitimate home run king.

poor example.

Gaylord Perry is in the MLB Hall of Fame, but he's been caught red handed, with nail files and doctored balls WHILE still in a game, still on the mound....oh, and buckets of vaseline..is it,or is it not , still cheating?!

of course it is!

double standard. I can see Palmiero never making the hall, he was caught with steroids.. Bonds was never directly caught with them, never failed a drug test. never was testified against.in fact, not a single shred of tangible evidence exists

pegging him as a 'roid user..

I dunno, Sammy Sosa was caught with a corked bat..thats cheating.was he suspended?! if so,how many games? he was caught with one,during a live MLB game, not during batting practice..how many corked bats did he use to hit 66 homers?! he'll likely go to cooperstown,someday...he definitely cheated..but Bonds shouldn't make it, right?

again,tangible evidence that Sosa cheated, but NONE exists that directly implicates Bonds..

conversely, Perry had been caught , on numerous occasions, cheating in a MLB game, and yet, they let him enter the Hall of Fame..

the Niners cheated for nearly every single SB victory with illegally sidestepping the salary cap..they're more scrupulous than the Patriots, by far! heck,Tagliabue kicked SF owner DiBartolo out of the NFL for cheating on the salary cap, yet, no one ever mentions that ...Nearly ALL of the Niners SB victories are, and forever will be , tainted by this salary cap cheating....

- disclaimer, I'm the most anti-barry bonds guy you'll meet...but, there is a DEFINITELY a double standard with his situation vs. OTHER cheaters who've actually been CAUGHT in the act of cheating....Bonds still hasn't been caught doing anything illegal. and even if he eventually is, who cares..like I said, Perry is in the HOF..and who's to say that guys back in the 1800's, and early 1900's,didn't cheat..?! were you around back then? how do you know ty cobb wasn't dipping balls in oil? someone had to invent the `vaseline under the cap ` trick, so who was it , then?! when was it invented? how long have pitchers been using vaseline under their caps? a lot longer than Bonds has reportedly been using steroids, I can guarantee you that....

oh, and good move by Martz, a class act ..if there weren't teams stealing signals, why would so many NFL coaches cover their mouths to call plays? EVERYONE does it now...

and, do we even HEAR a peep from the Jets, if they kept last week's game close, or god forbid, actually WON the game?!?!

nope.this whole thing is all about crybaby mangini getting spanked...he knows bellichick used video cameras, soi,then,why didn't he complain about it,last season?!?!

he's embarrassed that a gimpy 6'4 dude with a bad hammy hobbled his way past 3 Jets defenders for a LONG td...I'd be embarrassed , too..

 

[Jetdoc]

My bet is that the anonymous coach is Belichick.

That was exactly what I was going to say."Using steriods is commonplace in baseball, so records shouldn't be tained by the fact that those players used steriods." -- one outfielder that lives in the San Francisco area was quoted saying."If he WERE to kill his wife, this is how it would've been done..." -- one former NFL player that starred in "The Naked Gun" was quoted saying.

 

[suchislife]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Thanks. Really sucks that the Pats and Bill B. are the only ones who have been caught and stripped of at least one draft pick. You know what else sucks? All that damn public opinion and stuff. I can see it now, 30 years down the road...."Wow, those Pats teams back in the early 2000's really dominated. Oh wait, they also got busted for cheating and fined heavily. I wonder...." Nothing we can do about it now.

 

[phthalatemagic]

What's with the desperation of Patriot fans to show that "everybody is doing it"?

 

[1huskerfan]

Steroids in baseball are commonplace. Barry Bonds is the legitimate home run king.

poor example.

Gaylord Perry is in the MLB Hall of Fame, but he's been caught red handed, with nail files and doctored balls WHILE still in a game, still on the mound....oh, and buckets of vaseline..is it,or is it not , still cheating?!

of course it is!

double standard. I can see Palmiero never making the hall, he was caught with steroids.. Bonds was never directly caught with them, never failed a drug test. never was testified against.in fact, not a single shred of tangible evidence exists

pegging him as a 'roid user..

I dunno, Sammy Sosa was caught with a corked bat..thats cheating.was he suspended?! if so,how many games? he was caught with one,during a live MLB game, not during batting practice..how many corked bats did he use to hit 66 homers?! he'll likely go to cooperstown,someday...he definitely cheated..but Bonds shouldn't make it, right?

again,tangible evidence that Sosa cheated, but NONE exists that directly implicates Bonds..

conversely, Perry had been caught , on numerous occasions, cheating in a MLB game, and yet, they let him enter the Hall of Fame..

the Niners cheated for nearly every single SB victory with illegally sidestepping the salary cap..they're more scrupulous than the Patriots, by far! heck,Tagliabue kicked SF owner DiBartolo out of the NFL for cheating on the salary cap, yet, no one ever mentions that ...Nearly ALL of the Niners SB victories are, and forever will be , tainted by this salary cap cheating....

- disclaimer, I'm the most anti-barry bonds guy you'll meet...but, there is a DEFINITELY a double standard with his situation vs. OTHER cheaters who've actually been CAUGHT in the act of cheating....Bonds still hasn't been caught doing anything illegal. and even if he eventually is, who cares..like I said, Perry is in the HOF..and who's to say that guys back in the 1800's, and early 1900's,didn't cheat..?! were you around back then? how do you know ty cobb wasn't dipping balls in oil? someone had to invent the `vaseline under the cap ` trick, so who was it , then?! when was it invented? how long have pitchers been using vaseline under their caps? a lot longer than Bonds has reportedly been using steroids, I can guarantee you that....

oh, and good move by Martz, a class act ..if there weren't teams stealing signals, why would so many NFL coaches cover their mouths to call plays? EVERYONE does it now...

and, do we even HEAR a peep from the Jets, if they kept last week's game close, or god forbid, actually WON the game?!?!

nope.this whole thing is all about crybaby mangini getting spanked...he knows bellichick used video cameras, soi,then,why didn't he complain about it,last season?!?!

he's embarrassed that a gimpy 6'4 dude with a bad hammy hobbled his way past 3 Jets defenders for a LONG td...I'd be embarrassed , too..

Please tell me which years the 49ers won the SB, then tell me when the cap was implemented.

 

[1huskerfan]

What's with the desperation of Patriot fans to show that "everybody is doing it"?

What is it with every Patriot hater that needs to deny it.

 

[top dog]

Well.. as long as Martz says so..

 

[az_prof]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter. As for my response to Martz' statement, number of wrongs don't make a right. The Patriots were stupid enough to get caught, deal with it.

Very few are claiming that what the Pats did wasn't wrong. What is very much up for debate is whether their actions gave them a significant competitive advantage over the methods other teams use to steal signals. If a head coach says, "It's a bunch of nothing" I'd say he doesn't think it did.

The Coach is unnamed, which diminishes his credibility and raises questions of his motives for speaking. Could it be that HE has done it in the past--which would prove that BB is not the only coach to do it but does NOT prove that is insignificant and without a competitive advantage. The Commissioner has said it IS a competitive advantage. Is he uninformed?

 

[1huskerfan]

Did we need another thread about this subject? How many different ways can we respond to the same subject matter. As for my response to Martz' statement, number of wrongs don't make a right. The Patriots were stupid enough to get caught, deal with it.

Very few are claiming that what the Pats did wasn't wrong. What is very much up for debate is whether their actions gave them a significant competitive advantage over the methods other teams use to steal signals. If a head coach says, "It's a bunch of nothing" I'd say he doesn't think it did.

The Coach is unnamed, which diminishes his credibility and raises questions of his motives for speaking. Could it be that HE has done it in the past--which would prove that BB is not the only coach to do it but does NOT prove that is insignificant and without a competitive advantage. The Commissioner has said it IS a competitive advantage. Is he uninformed?

Just over zealous.

 

[drummer]

Steroids in baseball are commonplace. Barry Bonds is the legitimate home run king.

poor example.

Gaylord Perry is in the MLB Hall of Fame, but he's been caught red handed, with nail files and doctored balls WHILE still in a game, still on the mound....oh, and buckets of vaseline..is it,or is it not , still cheating?!

of course it is!

double standard. I can see Palmiero never making the hall, he was caught with steroids.. Bonds was never directly caught with them, never failed a drug test. never was testified against.in fact, not a single shred of tangible evidence exists

pegging him as a 'roid user..

I dunno, Sammy Sosa was caught with a corked bat..thats cheating.was he suspended?! if so,how many games? he was caught with one,during a live MLB game, not during batting practice..how many corked bats did he use to hit 66 homers?! he'll likely go to cooperstown,someday...he definitely cheated..but Bonds shouldn't make it, right?

again,tangible evidence that Sosa cheated, but NONE exists that directly implicates Bonds..

conversely, Perry had been caught , on numerous occasions, cheating in a MLB game, and yet, they let him enter the Hall of Fame..

the Niners cheated for nearly every single SB victory with illegally sidestepping the salary cap..they're more scrupulous than the Patriots, by far! heck,Tagliabue kicked SF owner DiBartolo out of the NFL for cheating on the salary cap, yet, no one ever mentions that ...Nearly ALL of the Niners SB victories are, and forever will be , tainted by this salary cap cheating....

- disclaimer, I'm the most anti-barry bonds guy you'll meet...but, there is a DEFINITELY a double standard with his situation vs. OTHER cheaters who've actually been CAUGHT in the act of cheating....Bonds still hasn't been caught doing anything illegal. and even if he eventually is, who cares..like I said, Perry is in the HOF..and who's to say that guys back in the 1800's, and early 1900's,didn't cheat..?! were you around back then? how do you know ty cobb wasn't dipping balls in oil? someone had to invent the `vaseline under the cap ` trick, so who was it , then?! when was it invented? how long have pitchers been using vaseline under their caps? a lot longer than Bonds has reportedly been using steroids, I can guarantee you that....

oh, and good move by Martz, a class act ..if there weren't teams stealing signals, why would so many NFL coaches cover their mouths to call plays? EVERYONE does it now...

and, do we even HEAR a peep from the Jets, if they kept last week's game close, or god forbid, actually WON the game?!?!

nope.this whole thing is all about crybaby mangini getting spanked...he knows bellichick used video cameras, soi,then,why didn't he complain about it,last season?!?!

he's embarrassed that a gimpy 6'4 dude with a bad hammy hobbled his way past 3 Jets defenders for a LONG td...I'd be embarrassed , too..

Please tell me which years the 49ers won the SB, then tell me when the cap was implemented.

I think the poster was drunk at the time of writing. For his sake, I sure hope he was.

 

[rufan]

It is unbelievable how many posters are not understanding that what the Patriots did was, in fact, AGAINST THE RULES. It is NOT the same thing as high school coaches video taping games and it is NOT because they were stealing signals. It was because they used a video camera which they had been warned about, but Bill decided to give a big "F*#@ you" to the NFL and do it anyway.

Whether or not other teams have done it is not relevant. No matter how many times Pats fans want to say it. Your team intentionally broke the rules to gain an advantage, and got caught with their pants down. Deal with it.

 

[sts911911]

What's with the desperation of Patriot fans to show that "everybody is doing it"?

What is it with every Patriot hater that needs to deny it.

You're right... Belichick for president!!!!!

 

[The Jerk]

Phlash,

Thanks for the thread title adjustment.

You may or may not have given fuel to the "Patriot haters" but you certainly made it hard to take your original post seriously when it was flat out incorrect.

 

[rufan]

and, do we even HEAR a peep from the Jets, if they kept last week's game close, or god forbid, actually WON the game?!?!nope.this whole thing is all about crybaby mangini getting spanked...he knows bellichick used video cameras, soi,then,why didn't he complain about it,last season?!?! he's embarrassed that a gimpy 6'4 dude with a bad hammy hobbled his way past 3 Jets defenders for a LONG td...I'd be embarrassed , too..

Nice try. The tape was seized before the end of the first quarter so the game was still close at that point. BTW, there will be a lot of defenders getting beat by Moss, whose hammy had next to no effect on his running. He definitely wasn't hobbled, but keep reaching and maybe sooner or later you will reach a valid point.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...ns_belic-1.html

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

If he did steal signals in that game, he didn't do a very good job," said Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Rams coach at the time. "Going into the last drive, they had 100 yards of offense. He got the wrong signals. If he had our defensive signals, it didn't help him much."

The Patriots actually had 214 yards going into the 53-yard drive for the winning field goal on the last play of the game. Tom Brady's offense managed only one TD, 15 first downs and was 2-for-11 on third down. Belichick won two more Super Bowls in the next three years.

"He won legitimately," Martz insists. "Those players had to line up and play and win those games. And they did."

Didn't want this to get overlooked.

Please let it die. Your team was warned, along with every other team, and you got caught ON OPENING DAY. They have no one to blame except themselves. :X @ Mad Mike becoming the voice of reason...

He wasn't the only coach in this article to speak about this... notice the first line:

"I'll put it this way: That's not the only team that has ever done that," one head coach said yesterday. "It's a bunch of nothing. That stuff goes on everywhere. It ain't like it's something new. Are you kidding me? Half the teams do that crap. We've never done it here, but I've been involved in staffs that have done it."

Of course, that doesn't agree with your vision of how it happened so you're just going to go against what professional NFL coaches say and go with your personal and unresearched opinion, which by the way, lacks credibility for a large variety of reasons.

So, what you're saying is that the title of the thread is misleading. Martz didn't say that it was commonplace. Some other coach did.Nothing like cheating on your quotes.

@ P*tr**ts

 

[Phlash]

Phlash,Thanks for the thread title adjustment.You may or may not have given fuel to the "Patriot haters" but you certainly made it hard to take your original post seriously when it was flat out incorrect.

Of course... people are looking for reasons to troll at this point.

 

[The Jerk]

Phlash,Thanks for the thread title adjustment.You may or may not have given fuel to the "Patriot haters" but you certainly made it hard to take your original post seriously when it was flat out incorrect.

Of course... people are looking for reasons to troll at this point.

That's not exactly new here.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

What's Martz supposed to say?

I should have given the ball to Marshall more often.

 

[Banger]

What's Martz supposed to say?

I should have given the ball to Marshall more often.

 

[J R]

What's Martz supposed to say?

I should have given the ball to Marshall more often.

If you say it enough and add some smilies to it, it will be true?If you put even a moment of thought into this myth, and perhaps another moment of stat checking at pro-football-reference, you would see that Faulk got the ball at pretty much the same rate as he did throughout the season. In fact, through 3 quarters, he was on pace to get slightly more carries than he averaged throughout the season. In the 3 year peak of his career in St Louis, Faulk averaged 15.8, 18.1, and 18.6 carries per game, and 5.4, 5.8, and 5.9 receptions per game. Maybe you look at that and think, gosh, if only he was getting the ball more, we'd have that many more yards, like a novice baseball fan picking up Rudy Pemberton for his fantasy baseball team in 1997. You might also look at it and think perhaps Faulk's per touch success is in some way an effect of his usage.The ##### about doing that is that it makes the truth complicated. Then you can't just hit a smilie to salute a readymade opinion.