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Mike Sellers did what? (1 Viewer)

I tuned in after the game had started so I didn't see it. If I can find a DC area account of it I'll post it.

edit: Nothing in the Washington Post or Washington Times yet about it. There's a thread on a Redskin message board, but so far that's just citing the article you did, with nobody else posting they've seen it yet.

Link

Careful going in there, those people are crazy.

 
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If he did it, I'm going to assume it was because he didn't realize it was insulting more than he did it to intentionally be disrespectful. In a country where most people can't identify all 50 states on a map, we shouldn't forget that a LOT of people likely have huge gaping holes in the appropriate way to show respect for our country's symbols.

 
When it talks about etiquette, that leads me to believe he just put it down on the ground when he was done with it. Probably doesn't realize the "rules" associated with flags. Not like he was trying to trash it or make some statement or something.

 
I was at the game and didn't notice. I'm not saying he didn't do it, just that I didn't notice either way. So, that's really of no help. Regardless, I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of the US population would not find what he allegedly did to be disrespectful. I think it's cool that flag people have all these rules and are passionate about it, but they really need to realize that most people don't know the rules and probably don't really care either.

 
I recently had a business meeting with people from China and inquired about business etiquette in their country before hand. If I was meeting the queen, I might look into the bowing and greeting thing. If I was carrying a national flag as part of a pregame ceremony, I might have asked a few questions on what I was supposed to do with that as well.

 
Intention is what matters here. If he was ignorant of flag etiquette, he'll probably learn it now. If he did it to be purposely disrespectful, he just made a lot of enemies.

 
no more disrespectful to the flag than the people who put those plastic ones up on their car because they're soooooooooooooooooooo patriotic.

 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com.

For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.

I hope this ends this discussion.

 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
I doubt it -- some people just love to get their panties in a bunch over stuff like this.
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :goodposting:
 
What role did Jay Cutler, Brett Favre and Terrell Owens have in this travesty?I bet they put him up to it.
And Brandon Marshall. Since he doesn't have a playbook, he'd be unfamiliar with the appendix on proper behavior during patriotic routines to avoid fan messageboard ire.
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :o
What an immature thing to say and insinuate about me. I could care less what team this incident happened with. As a disabled veteran who has sacrifed more than you realize for this country...I'm fine up here on "my high horse" I really do think the NFL needs to send out an etiquette reminder to teams and Sellers was being a bonehead. Why the attacks?
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :shrug:
Overreact much?
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :shrug:
What an immature thing to say and insinuate about me. I could care less what team this incident happened with. As a disabled veteran who has sacrifed more than you realize for this country...I'm fine up here on "my high horse" I really do think the NFL needs to send out an etiquette reminder to teams and Sellers was being a bonehead. Why the attacks?
Apologize if you felt this was some personal attack, it was not meant as such. But it was absolutely directed at the mode of thought where people jump on someone who had no harm involved and quite possible was trying to be patriotic.I can understand if you are upset at the NFL or whomever for not explaining the necessary ettiquette when they hand the flag to someone, but to jump on Sellers is utterly misguided and counterproductive.Now, I appreciate and thank you for your service to this country. That said, I still believe it is misguided to attack someone because he was trying to act patriotic and ettiquette got in the way. The ideals of the flag need be repsected, but when the ideals of what the flag should stand for take a backseat to someone doing a "bonehead" ettiquette move well. Even using the continued language like 'bonehead' - in any way was Sellers trying to disrespect the flag and the nation? If not, lets focus on the fact that he carried the flag proudly, his intent - and what that intent (honoring the country and carrying the flag) likely was.
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :thumbup:
Overreact much?
:shrug: He should be given a six-game suspension
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :goodposting:
What an immature thing to say and insinuate about me. I could care less what team this incident happened with. As a disabled veteran who has sacrifed more than you realize for this country...I'm fine up here on "my high horse" I really do think the NFL needs to send out an etiquette reminder to teams and Sellers was being a bonehead. Why the attacks?
Apologize if you felt this was some personal attack, it was not meant as such. But it was absolutely directed at the mode of thought where people jump on someone who had no harm involved and quite possible was trying to be patriotic.I can understand if you are upset at the NFL or whomever for not explaining the necessary ettiquette when they hand the flag to someone, but to jump on Sellers is utterly misguided and counterproductive.Now, I appreciate and thank you for your service to this country. That said, I still believe it is misguided to attack someone because he was trying to act patriotic and ettiquette got in the way. The ideals of the flag need be repsected, but when the ideals of what the flag should stand for take a backseat to someone doing a "bonehead" ettiquette move well. Even using the continued language like 'bonehead' - in any way was Sellers trying to disrespect the flag and the nation? If not, lets focus on the fact that he carried the flag proudly, his intent - and what that intent (honoring the country and carrying the flag) likely was.
No worries. I realize these things are bound to happen, and of course I assumed the worst of Sellers because I was not in his shoes and figured he just didn't care enough to handle it properly. All water under the bridge. :lmao:
 
I was at the game and didn't notice. I'm not saying he didn't do it, just that I didn't notice either way. So, that's really of no help. Regardless, I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of the US population would not find what he allegedly did to be disrespectful. I think it's cool that flag people have all these rules and are passionate about it, but they really need to realize that most people don't know the rules and probably don't really care either.
I was at the game. Saw him come out the inflated helmet with the flag. Thought it was cool. Did not see him drop it on the 50.
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
Actually, I've found that most people in the military care a lot more about intention than they do about people being so oversensitive about the "rules".Sellers was trying to show his love for his country, and his thankfullness for what those soldiers do for him. That's what matters, and I'm sure that means a lot more to them then the people whining about him doing it with improper etiquette.
 
I was at the game and didn't notice. I'm not saying he didn't do it, just that I didn't notice either way. So, that's really of no help. Regardless, I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of the US population would not find what he allegedly did to be disrespectful. I think it's cool that flag people have all these rules and are passionate about it, but they really need to realize that most people don't know the rules and probably don't really care either.
I was at the game. Saw him come out the inflated helmet with the flag. Thought it was cool. Did not see him drop it on the 50.
Well yeah, he definitely came out with the flag. Thought it was odd since he wasn't the last player introduced and it was a preseason game. Is this a regular occurrence even in preseason? Why did he have a flag?
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com.
I looked for it and found a video, but I can't view the video or post a link of it here unless I register at redskins.com. :D It'll probably turn up elsewhere but Snyder will likely make it be taken down.
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
To be honest, I think it is more idiotic to try and find fault here when EVERYthing (including plain simple logic, but why include that on a fantasy message board) points toward honest mistake. The guy didnt know where to hand the flag, you think the flag was the only thing on his mind as he prepared for a preseason game? Seriously, get off your high horses which are most likely being used only because of what team you root for / against.Im a Giants fan. Cant stant the Redskins and despise Snyder. That doesnt give me a reason to find excessive fault where non exists.It was a mistake, unintentional and the guy issues an apology. At this point, the light reflects more poorly upon those still trying to find fault, and those who try and use an innocent mistep as some type of fodder - way to abuse false patriotism for team allegiance and #### talking purposes. :thumbup:
Overreact much?
:D He should be given a six-game suspension
ONLY 6?WHAT DO YOU HATE AMERICA? :coffee:
 
No worries. I realize these things are bound to happen, and of course I assumed the worst of Sellers because I was not in his shoes and figured he just didn't care enough to handle it properly. All water under the bridge. :D
Cool. Plus, with a name that I want to touch, how can I keep a grudge?
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
As far as Sellers goes, yeah, the guy was just being an idiot...It happens.The NFL should at least put out a memo to the teams reminding them to teach these boneheads proper etiquette.And his dad must be pissed...
Actually, I've found that most people in the military care a lot more about intention than they do about people being so oversensitive about the "rules".Sellers was trying to show his love for his country, and his thankfullness for what those soldiers do for him. That's what matters, and I'm sure that means a lot more to them then the people whining about him doing it with improper etiquette.
Actually, you're right in that what matters most to military folks is the intention. However, to say that the etiquette and customs associated with the colors do not matter to us would be wrong. The armed forces are steeped in tradition, especially when it comes to the handling of the United States Flag. I'm sure he didn't mean any harm. That doesn't really make it ok, imho. I'm also sure when he got back to his locker there was a message on his voicemail from his dad saying, simply "something like "Call me. There's something we need to talk about."
 
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Michael Pehanich, Zack Bolno's No. 2 guy and a Mountaineer, entered the press room today as usual to escort us to Jim Zorn's weekly day-after-the-game rap session.

On this occasion, however, Mike asked that we accompany him to the main building a tad early because fullback Mike Sellers wanted to address the media before Zorn. Sellers is among the Redskins' biggest locker room clowns, the cat always has jokes, so I immediately asked Mike if this was a joke, or would it lead to something that made me uncomfortable to witness.

He said it was on the level, and then proceeded to explain the situation to me and two other reporters. In the notes portion of Friday's Associated Press report on the Redskins-Patriots game, Sellers was criticized for his conduct with the United States flag during pregame introductions.

"An unsightly breach of patriotic etiquette: Redskins FB Mike Sellers, carrying the American flag onto the field during pregame introductions, flung the Stars and Stripes onto the ground near the 50-yard line," the report read. "After a few seconds, LB Robert Hanson walked over and rescued the flag off the turf."

I did not realize this occurred. Even if I had witnessed Sellers drop the flag, I would not have made that a big deal about it because I have spoken with the man repeatedly, which is my job as a beat reporter, and am familiar with his background. Sellers's father was a career military man, and I just don't get the sense he would intentionally do something to degrade the flag.

Also, I have a big problem journalistically with essentially questioning someone's patriotism in a report without giving the person a chance to respond. The reporter said he could not locate Sellers in the locker room after the game.

Well, anyway, Sellers was waiting for us in the former press room in the main building. He clearly wasn't in his usual upbeat mood when he said, "You all got to help me out with this."

And with that, Sellers got into the situation.

"It's been brought to my attention, carrying the flag out yesterday, that I didn't put it in the proper spot after carrying it out. I meant no disrespect," Sellers said. "My father retired [from the military] 30 some years almost, I grew up as an Army brat, I know the conduct when it comes to the flag and I made a mistake by setting it down the way I did and I'd like to apologize if I offended anybody out there.

"I was asked to bring it out last minute, didn't know who to give it to, got hyped up, and put the flag down. Like I said, if I offended anyone, I apologize. That's not me. I grew up in a military background. I know what it is to respect the flag, and I apologize. It was in the heat of the moment."
Jason Reid, Washington Post
 
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Michael Pehanich, Zack Bolno's No. 2 guy and a Mountaineer, entered the press room today as usual to escort us to Jim Zorn's weekly day-after-the-game rap session.

On this occasion, however, Mike asked that we accompany him to the main building a tad early because fullback Mike Sellers wanted to address the media before Zorn. Sellers is among the Redskins' biggest locker room clowns, the cat always has jokes, so I immediately asked Mike if this was a joke, or would it lead to something that made me uncomfortable to witness.

He said it was on the level, and then proceeded to explain the situation to me and two other reporters. In the notes portion of Friday's Associated Press report on the Redskins-Patriots game, Sellers was criticized for his conduct with the United States flag during pregame introductions.

"An unsightly breach of patriotic etiquette: Redskins FB Mike Sellers, carrying the American flag onto the field during pregame introductions, flung the Stars and Stripes onto the ground near the 50-yard line," the report read. "After a few seconds, LB Robert Hanson walked over and rescued the flag off the turf."

I did not realize this occurred. Even if I had witnessed Sellers drop the flag, I would not have made that a big deal about it because I have spoken with the man repeatedly, which is my job as a beat reporter, and am familiar with his background. Sellers's father was a career military man, and I just don't get the sense he would intentionally do something to degrade the flag.

Also, I have a big problem journalistically with essentially questioning someone's patriotism in a report without giving the person a chance to respond. The reporter said he could not locate Sellers in the locker room after the game.

Well, anyway, Sellers was waiting for us in the former press room in the main building. He clearly wasn't in his usual upbeat mood when he said, "You all got to help me out with this."

And with that, Sellers got into the situation.

"It's been brought to my attention, carrying the flag out yesterday, that I didn't put it in the proper spot after carrying it out. I meant no disrespect," Sellers said. "My father retired [from the military] 30 some years almost, I grew up as an Army brat, I know the conduct when it comes to the flag and I made a mistake by setting it down the way I did and I'd like to apologize if I offended anybody out there.

"I was asked to bring it out last minute, didn't know who to give it to, got hyped up, and put the flag down. Like I said, if I offended anyone, I apologize. That's not me. I grew up in a military background. I know what it is to respect the flag, and I apologize. It was in the heat of the moment."
Jason Reid, Washington Post
Thanks Fatness. That clears it up nicely.Dude evidently knew what he was doing was wrong but didn't care until he got into trouble over it. Think that pretty much sums it up. Very classy. Bet his dad gets a few phone calls on this.

BTW I don't have a plastic flag on my car.

 
I can't believe the hate in here.

Sellers made a mistake. He got caugth up in the moment and did something that was not intentionally trying to disgrace himself or his country or the important people who protect it. There are FAR greater mistakes made daily than what Sellers did. He admitted his mistake and accepted full responsibility for his actions and appologized for it.

Some of you in here need to be a little more forgiving.

 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
Guy clearly made a mistake & was smart enough to apologize. I blame whoever set this the whole thing up. They should have been clear what he was to do with the flag
 
Mike Sellers has issued an apology which can be viewed at www.redskins.com. For those not inclined to watch he stated that he meant no harm by it and his father retired after 30 some years from the Army. He knows what it is to respect the flag and he apologized because he got caught up in the heat of the moment and did not know who to give the flag to.I hope this ends this discussion.
Guy clearly made a mistake & was smart enough to apologize. I blame whoever set this the whole thing up. They should have been clear what he was to do with the flag
"After a few seconds, LB Robert Hanson walked over and rescued the flag off the turf."Please. It's not rocket science. Zellers knew throwing the flag on the ground was not the thing to do and he did it anyway. At least Robert Hanson showed some good sense and/or patriotism.I agree though. The guy who set it up should have said something like " Hey dude when you run out there try not to do something stupid like throw the flag on the ground or set it on fire or something like that."
 

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