Mike Sims Walker (1 Viewer)

[karmarooster]

what's his deal?

he was a regular pre-season "sleeper" for not one but at least two years because of injury.... including one matt waldman. last season was a great roller-coaster. during preseason he was beaten out by none of than Troy Williamson. after he went down in the first game, the MWS hype started on here. i spent roughly 3/4 of my waiver wire budget for the guy in one league.... and it worked beautifully for a few weeks.

then the stinkers started. sims-walker became virtually unplayable toward the end of the season. either he'd get you 5/98/TD or 2/11. it was bad. now his dynasty value seems pretty low. i've tried to package him with a few other WRs this offseason and not gotten much interest, so i decided to hold him as a WR4.

so what's the problem? is it 100% Garrard because he's terrible and MSW is still a nice talent? Is it half Garrard and half MSW.... because both are pretty average?

btw, torry holt is gone next year, so he figures to be featured again as the WR1... unless anyone suspects they will bring in another WR? furthermore, how committed are the Jags to Garrard? the Tebow talk has died down somewhat, but a genuine upgrade at QB would be great for the team + MSW.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Paging Coach Potato to the white courtesy phone.

Big ups for one of the threads on the year in 2009 for SP'ers...

 

[kurtrudder]

I own him MSW in 3 or 4 dynasty leagues and have found the same thing, his value is low at present due to the way he finished the 2009 season. I think the other thread shows some interesting insight into the feelings at the time when some of those clunker box scores were put up. It gives me some solace to read it again and realise that it wasn't all on MSW for those poor showings.

Bottom line is he is not a sell at this point because you won't get top 20 WR value for him........and if he starts 2010 hot then his value takes an upswing and top 10-15 value could be attainable. He is a hold or buy low IMO.......but buying low is probably easier said than done because many of his owners might be standing pat at present

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

hold for now, but personally I'd look to upgrade.

A Jax QB switch would be good. remember that garrard had terrible home/road splits in his production that effected MSW as well

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Sims Walker is interesting... cherry picking his good stretch, weeks 2 through 11, he was the #5 WR on a ppg basis. Then he fell off a cliff.

Those 8 games (he missed week 5) give hope... it isn't like he had a monster week that buoyed his average, he was consistently good through those 8 games; 47/694/6TD.

In the 14 games he played (not including week 1 when he was a bench player) he averaged 4.5 rec, 62 yards, and .5 TDs per game.

I am not sure what went wrong after week 11.

I would expect a healthy MSW to be a good, but inconsistent, fantasy WR2. Certainly a hold or buy low, but best suited as a fantasy WR3 or WR4 with upside.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I dont think his value is that low either.

I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12

also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

 

[AllVolUT]

I'd buy on Mike Sims-Walker. IMO, his play was tied almost directly to the Jags complete inability to pass block. I'd contend that a lot of Garrard's piss poor play down the stretch was due to the Jags' pass block as well...granted, Garrard did hang onto the ball a little too long.

Watching the games, it was almost comical watching the Jags OL try and pass block last year. They finished 7th worst in sacks allowed and dead last in QB hits. They allowed Garrard to get hit 126x...the 31st worst team, the Buffalo Bills, allowed their QBs to get hit 103. In the Jaguars' defense, last year the played two rookies at tackle, Eugene Monroe at LT (7th pick in '09) and Eben Britton at RT (39th pick in '09). Also, the Jags starting guard Vince Manuwai was coming off an '08 season where he tore his ACL and MCL.

Long story short, I think the Jags' OL will definitely be improved this year and that will have direct correlation with Sims-Walker's success. IMO barring injury, MSW's floor is 1000+/7 TDs.

 

[SSOG]

I dont think his value is that low either.I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12 also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

As a Sims-Walker owner, I'd love to get that first offer... provided I was in a pretty normal league. I rarely wind up using late firsts myself, but I find they're great trading chips. I probably wouldn't take the second offer, though. Maybe if both seconds were early seconds.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I dont think his value is that low either.I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12 also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

As a Sims-Walker owner, I'd love to get that first offer... provided I was in a pretty normal league. I rarely wind up using late firsts myself, but I find they're great trading chips. I probably wouldn't take the second offer, though. Maybe if both seconds were early seconds.

Rusty's Regulars gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRPolk High TD Machine gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.13im sorry it was 1.12 n 1.13here is the other one:The Football Experts gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRAngry Spiders gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.09;Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.12MSWs value is still pretty good IMO

 

[Truman]

Picked him up for Donald Brown straight-up, non-PPR

 

[stp-d]

PPR, 12 team... I was pretty high on MSW & Britt but had the depth at WR

Traded MSW & Britt

got

Colston, 2.06, Slaton & Moats

I saw both MSW & Britt worth 1.04 - 1.07 rookie picks & think I got value in return. In time the other guy will likely win this trade...

 

[RustyFA2]

I am Rusty's Regulars of the above trade. I think MSW is a great talent and is going to have some great years. I am in total rebuild or would have held onto him. Judging from the Assistant Coaches form I think his value is 1.5 or 1.6 on the high side. 2 late 1sts is fair IMO. Good young player whose upside is huge.

 

[FUBAR]

I dont think his value is that low either.I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12 also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

As a Sims-Walker owner, I'd love to get that first offer... provided I was in a pretty normal league. I rarely wind up using late firsts myself, but I find they're great trading chips. I probably wouldn't take the second offer, though. Maybe if both seconds were early seconds.

Rusty's Regulars gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRPolk High TD Machine gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.13im sorry it was 1.12 n 1.13here is the other one:The Football Experts gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRAngry Spiders gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.09;Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.12MSWs value is still pretty good IMO

I guess, not sure I'd do either deal if I have MSW. He went for about the same price as Maclin, Randy Moss, Meachem, Steve Smith (CAR), Mike Wallace and Britt. Seems about right to me

 

[golfguy]

moved ocho and 3.8 for msw. wanted a younger guy for my 3rd wr at the time. since then i picked up calvin, which makes him my #4.

 

[az_prof]

hold for now, but personally I'd look to upgrade.A Jax QB switch would be good. remember that garrard had terrible home/road splits in his production that effected MSW as well

But that end of season slide included three home games (HOU, MIA, IND) and he caught all of 8 balls in those three games for less than a hundred yards total. I do think that a better QB would help but I don't think Campbell or Vick would be much of an upgrade and a rookie certainly won't help in 2010.

 

[Brewzers]

I

I dont think his value is that low either.I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12 also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

As a Sims-Walker owner, I'd love to get that first offer... provided I was in a pretty normal league. I rarely wind up using late firsts myself, but I find they're great trading chips. I probably wouldn't take the second offer, though. Maybe if both seconds were early seconds.

Rusty's Regulars gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRPolk High TD Machine gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.13im sorry it was 1.12 n 1.13here is the other one:The Football Experts gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRAngry Spiders gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.09;Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.12MSWs value is still pretty good IMO

MSW owner here. I rejected an offer of 2.04 & 2.05 for Walker.

 

[massraider]

I

I dont think his value is that low either.I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12 also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

As a Sims-Walker owner, I'd love to get that first offer... provided I was in a pretty normal league. I rarely wind up using late firsts myself, but I find they're great trading chips. I probably wouldn't take the second offer, though. Maybe if both seconds were early seconds.

Rusty's Regulars gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRPolk High TD Machine gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.13im sorry it was 1.12 n 1.13here is the other one:The Football Experts gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRAngry Spiders gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.09;Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.12MSWs value is still pretty good IMO

MSW owner here. I rejected an offer of 2.04 & 2.05 for Walker.

Yeah, I wouldn't take any of those deals for MSW.Later firsts, early seconds for him? This year?? Not a very sexy year for offensive fantasy production.

 

[SSOG]

Yeah, I wouldn't take any of those deals for MSW.Later firsts, early seconds for him? This year?? Not a very sexy year for offensive fantasy production.

Maybe my league is an aberration, but the words "first rounder" hold some sort of magical power over my leaguemates. They can open pretty much any door. There really isn't anyone who I couldn't acquire if I just threw enough first rounders on the table. For instance, last offseason I acquired Frank Gore for the last pick in the first round in 2009 and my 2010 pick (which wound up being another late pick). Someone else acquired Andre Johnson for an early first in '09 and a mid-first in '10. Those late firsts really don't do anything for me, but I'm sure with a little bit of ingenuity and persistence, I could turn them into a nice asset like a Steven Jackson or a Greg Jennings. Or I could bundle them with my current players for an upgrade. First rounders tend to be a pretty universal currency, especially around draft time when everyone has rookie mania.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I

I dont think his value is that low either.I have seen him go for 2 late first rounders - 1.11 and 1.12 also seen him go for 2 2nd rounders and and early 3rd.

As a Sims-Walker owner, I'd love to get that first offer... provided I was in a pretty normal league. I rarely wind up using late firsts myself, but I find they're great trading chips. I probably wouldn't take the second offer, though. Maybe if both seconds were early seconds.

Rusty's Regulars gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRPolk High TD Machine gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2010 Draft Pick 1.13im sorry it was 1.12 n 1.13here is the other one:The Football Experts gave up Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WRAngry Spiders gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.02;Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.09;Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.12MSWs value is still pretty good IMO

MSW owner here. I rejected an offer of 2.04 & 2.05 for Walker.

Yeah, I wouldn't take any of those deals for MSW.Later firsts, early seconds for him? This year?? Not a very sexy year for offensive fantasy production.

im not saying that this is the correct value for him. just throwing out what he went for, BTW Im angry spiders in one of those deals and I was very happy to snag himSSOG is correct first rounders are pure gold and I expect them to be a little more valueable in about a week

 

[bweiser]

Just curious: Where do you rank MSW in a PPR league?

I own him. Our league is a little different - 11 teams, can only keep 10 guys out of 15 each year with at least 3 defensive players and a K on our 15-man roster.

So he'd have to be top 110 players in my league. I will keep him, because I think he has that potential, but I don't think he's there yet.

 

[Ysatnaf_Gnik]

Yeah, I wouldn't take any of those deals for MSW.Later firsts, early seconds for him? This year?? Not a very sexy year for offensive fantasy production.

Maybe my league is an aberration, but the words "first rounder" hold some sort of magical power over my leaguemates. They can open pretty much any door. For instance, last offseason I acquired Frank Gore for the last pick in the first round in 2009 and my 2010 pick (which wound up being another late pick). Someone else acquired Andre Johnson for an early first in '09 and a mid-first in '10. Those late firsts really don't do anything for me, but I'm sure with a little bit of ingenuity and persistence, I could turn them into a nice asset like a Steven Jackson or a Greg Jennings. Or I could bundle them with my current players for an upgrade. First rounders tend to be a pretty universal currency, especially around draft time when everyone has rookie mania.

No wonder you are the "3rd year 10-Team Dynasty Champion"!! Where are you FF league mates from? Sierra Leone?

 

[SSOG]

Yeah, I wouldn't take any of those deals for MSW.Later firsts, early seconds for him? This year?? Not a very sexy year for offensive fantasy production.

Maybe my league is an aberration, but the words "first rounder" hold some sort of magical power over my leaguemates. They can open pretty much any door. For instance, last offseason I acquired Frank Gore for the last pick in the first round in 2009 and my 2010 pick (which wound up being another late pick). Someone else acquired Andre Johnson for an early first in '09 and a mid-first in '10. Those late firsts really don't do anything for me, but I'm sure with a little bit of ingenuity and persistence, I could turn them into a nice asset like a Steven Jackson or a Greg Jennings. Or I could bundle them with my current players for an upgrade. First rounders tend to be a pretty universal currency, especially around draft time when everyone has rookie mania.

No wonder you are the "3rd year 10-Team Dynasty Champion"!! Where are you FF league mates from? Sierra Leone?

Close. We've got three Canadians, one out in the Boonies in Montana, one in Portland, one in Boston, one in Louisville, one in Philly, one in Dallas, and one in Houston. None of which makes a single word I said any more or less true. I could be playing in a 5-teamer with Humpty Dumpty and the 3 Blind Mice and it wouldn't change the fact that most people overvalue 1st round draft picks. Nor would it change the fact that draft picks are pretty much the only universal currency in dynasty, the only trading chips that hold value to everyone regardless of their team's age or positional composition.I'm not trying to pretend that I play in a league with actual NFL GMs and a $50,000 buy-in or anything, but I certainly think that my results are going to be pretty typical for a dynasty league. Even in a "shark league", late firsts make fantastic trade bait. Hell, I'd say my league IS a shark league, seeing as seven of the guys have over a decade of fantasy experience, and nine of them participate in 3+ leagues a year.If you have anything useful to contribute to the thread, though, then by all means feel free to do so.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I could be playing in a 5-teamer with Humpty Dumpty and the 3 Blind Mice and it wouldn't change the fact that most people overvalue 1st round draft picks.

This is one of the funniest things ever written in the SP.

Hell, I'd say my league IS a shark league, seeing as seven of the guys have over a decade of fantasy experience, and nine of them participate in 3+ leagues a year.

Are you really saying that experience = proficiency? Sure, it helps, but it's not exactly a slam-dunk that because a bunch of dudes have played fantasy football for a decade they are actually good at it. Example: come meet my boss sometime. he's been a mgmt consultant for 10 years and couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag. Your broader point is well taken though. For some reason, even late 1st rd picks are gold. You can offer pick 1.12 and pick 2.01 to the same owner....there is a gigantic dropoff in perceived value. To the point of irrationality.

 

[loose circuits]

great guy to have for those that subscribe to the shotgun WR theory. You need to have insurance since he may not perform up to his top 10 potential, but since you can buy at much lower than that I think he's worth it.