Mike Tomlin Intentionally Disrupted KO Return: Proof! (1 Viewer)

[Bayhawks]

You can see him looking at the field out of the corner of his eye waiting for Jones to get close before he jumps out of the way.

If Jones is directly behind (as he was), how is looking out the corner of his eye going to let him see Jones get close?

Does he have an eye behind his right ear?

I think you need to re-watch the video.....

Tomlin glances over his shoulder as Jones is approaching and then jumps out of the way at the last second.

Must be a Steelers fan....or someone that doesn't have the ability to look over their shoulder without turning their shoulder....

I think you need to re-watch the video. The other poster said he looked over his shoulder, "waiting for Jones to get close."

At .12, Tomlin is still looking at the jumbotron

At .13, is the first time he looks (away from the jumbotron) back to the field

At .13, Tomlin jumps out of the way.

So, he looked over his shoulder, waited less than 1 second for "Jones to get close," them jumped out of the way?

Yeah, that's much more realistic than: he looked over his shoulder, instantly realized he was about to get bowled over by a 210 lb man running at full speed & darted out of the way.

 

[Godsbrother]

I love how $100k is considered a light punnishment, when most people don't make that in a year lol! He got fined more than a player who intentionally tries to hurt a QB with a nasty hit. He may also lose Draft picks. That seems pretty harsh doesn't it? I'm in no way a Steelers fan and wish the worst for them (bitter Hawks fan) but I feel that is a pretty good punnishment. If he tripped him I would see a bigger punnishment, but it is impossible to prove intent even with that grin. He could have accidentally done it and then been like "wow I just saved us a TD on accident" and smiled about it.

Sal Alosi was suspended for 1 year for intentionally tripping a Miami player on the sideline. The Jets were fined $100,000 but didn't lose any draft picks.

 

[steelcityman]

Everyone knew that it was gonna be a light punishment. It's the Steelers. Goodell may as well have sent him a letter of commendation.

Light? WTF are you talking about, light?

 

[Bill S]

NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.



The draft order should have no bearing on the pick forfeited. Rooney was very influential On Goodell getting the commish gig so this isn't surprising.

Yeah, the NFL is doing this b/c everyone will have more or less forgotten about this come draft time, so not stripping a draft pick won't cause an uproar. BS

 

[Bill S]

You can see him looking at the field out of the corner of his eye waiting for Jones to get close before he jumps out of the way.

If Jones is directly behind (as he was), how is looking out the corner of his eye going to let him see Jones get close?

Does he have an eye behind his right ear?

I think you need to re-watch the video.....

Tomlin glances over his shoulder as Jones is approaching and then jumps out of the way at the last second.

Must be a Steelers fan....or someone that doesn't have the ability to look over their shoulder without turning their shoulder....

I think you need to re-watch the video. The other poster said he looked over his shoulder, "waiting for Jones to get close."

At .12, Tomlin is still looking at the jumbotron

At .13, is the first time he looks (away from the jumbotron) back to the field

At .13, Tomlin jumps out of the way.

So, he looked over his shoulder, waited less than 1 second for "Jones to get close," them jumped out of the way?

Yeah, that's much more realistic than: he looked over his shoulder, instantly realized he was about to get bowled over by a 210 lb man running at full speed & darted out of the way.

Def a Steleers fan....

 

[Bayhawks]

$100,000 fine! Wow.

Wait, so no year-long suspension? No loss of a 1st-round pick? I can't believe it. All the video experts in here said there was "PROOF" that Tomlin intentionally committed this act, and that he should be punished as/more severely than coaches like Payton, who allowed a scheme to injure players for money to happen and Belicheck, who cheated by video-taping what he wasn't allowed to video-tape.

You would think that if there were "PROOF" that this act was intentional, the NFL would have handed down more of a punishment. Seems like they concluded (like any rational person would) from the video that you can't "PROVE" that the act was intentional, even if they (like I) believe that it was.

 

[Bayhawks]

You can see him looking at the field out of the corner of his eye waiting for Jones to get close before he jumps out of the way.

If Jones is directly behind (as he was), how is looking out the corner of his eye going to let him see Jones get close?

Does he have an eye behind his right ear?

I think you need to re-watch the video.....

Tomlin glances over his shoulder as Jones is approaching and then jumps out of the way at the last second.

Must be a Steelers fan....or someone that doesn't have the ability to look over their shoulder without turning their shoulder....

I think you need to re-watch the video. The other poster said he looked over his shoulder, "waiting for Jones to get close."

At .12, Tomlin is still looking at the jumbotron

At .13, is the first time he looks (away from the jumbotron) back to the field

At .13, Tomlin jumps out of the way.

So, he looked over his shoulder, waited less than 1 second for "Jones to get close," them jumped out of the way?

Yeah, that's much more realistic than: he looked over his shoulder, instantly realized he was about to get bowled over by a 210 lb man running at full speed & darted out of the way.

Def a Steleers fan....

Wrong again, but why should now be any different than previous posts?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Everyone knew that it was gonna be a light punishment. It's the Steelers. Goodell may as well have sent him a letter of commendation.

Light? WTF are you talking about, light?

Well, the first step here is to make sure you know what light means. Do you?

 

[The Hank]

Most local pundits saying that the draft pick loss is more of an empty threat than an actual possibility.

That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if a Compensatory pick gets docked from the Steelers (hence why they are waiting for the draft order to be completed before announcing if any picks get removed)

 

[Copeman]

You can see him looking at the field out of the corner of his eye waiting for Jones to get close before he jumps out of the way.

If Jones is directly behind (as he was), how is looking out the corner of his eye going to let him see Jones get close?Does he have an eye behind his right ear?

I think you need to re-watch the video.....

Tomlin glances over his shoulder as Jones is approaching and then jumps out of the way at the last second.

Must be a Steelers fan....or someone that doesn't have the ability to look over their shoulder without turning their shoulder....

I think you need to re-watch the video. The other poster said he looked over his shoulder, "waiting for Jones to get close."At .12, Tomlin is still looking at the jumbotron

At .13, is the first time he looks (away from the jumbotron) back to the field

At .13, Tomlin jumps out of the way.

So, he looked over his shoulder, waited less than 1 second for "Jones to get close," them jumped out of the way?

Yeah, that's much more realistic than: he looked over his shoulder, instantly realized he was about to get bowled over by a 210 lb man running at full speed & darted out of the way.

Def a Steleers fan....

First, learn how to spell. Secondly, most STEELER fans agree that he should be punished, whether or not it was intentional or not. Don't be a moron.

 

[Cheesedawg]

but the video shows he clearly intentionally got into the ball carrier's path

No it doesn't.

 

[Steeler]

I don't think the Steelers need to be fined or lose any draft picks over this. Tomlins actions, whether intentional or not, happened on the spur of the moment and affected one play/game. Teams should be punished only if they had some knowledge of the incident before it happened, our some ongoing issue that they failed to address. I don't see either if those things with this incident

 

[steelcityman]

Everyone knew that it was gonna be a light punishment. It's the Steelers. Goodell may as well have sent him a letter of commendation.

Light? WTF are you talking about, light?

Well, the first step here is to make sure you know what light means. Do you?

you obviously dont, or have any idea the value of $1.

 

[ROCKET]

NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.



The draft order should have no bearing on the pick forfeited. Rooney was very influential On Goodell getting the commish gig so this isn't surprising.

Yeah, the NFL is doing this b/c everyone will have more or less forgotten about this come draft time, so not stripping a draft pick won't cause an uproar. BS

My exact thoughts. The 100K is a joke, Rooney will probably give him an undisclosed Christmas bonus to cover that. These franchises are run by billionaires, what's 100K or even a million dollars to them? The only punishment that has any impact is the loss of draft picks. Those can't be bought back. For what it's worth I don't hate Tomlin or the Steelers but I believe the precedent was set with the taking on draft picks over spygate/bountygate and this scenario compromises the integrity of the game regardless of intent. The Jets should have lost picks as well over this and if they had I bet this would have never happened again. 100K/500k fines are meaningless. I think loss of draft pick(s) should be mandatory in these situations.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Everyone knew that it was gonna be a light punishment. It's the Steelers. Goodell may as well have sent him a letter of commendation.

Light? WTF are you talking about, light?

Well, the first step here is to make sure you know what light means. Do you?

you obviously dont, or have any idea the value of $1.

OK, so don't know what light means or how much money Tomlin makes. What do you know?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I don't think the Steelers need to be fined or lose any draft picks over this.

:shocked:

 

[Steeler]

If Tomlin ran onto the field and tackled Jones it still wouldn't equal spygate... not all "hurting the integrity of the game" is the same.

 

[McGarnicle]

Saw his press conference on NFLN last night. Major about-face on his part once he realized people were taking this very seriously. Pretty comical to watch him trip over his words and look like he was on the verge of tears. I think he's learned a lesson from it.

I agree it would be too harsh to take away a draft pick.

 

[Steelers4Life]

NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.



The draft order should have no bearing on the pick forfeited. Rooney was very influential On Goodell getting the commish gig so this isn't surprising.

Yeah, the NFL is doing this b/c everyone will have more or less forgotten about this come draft time, so not stripping a draft pick won't cause an uproar. BS

My exact thoughts. The 100K is a joke, Rooney will probably give him an undisclosed Christmas bonus to cover that. These franchises are run by billionaires, what's 100K or even a million dollars to them? The only punishment that has any impact is the loss of draft picks. Those can't be bought back. For what it's worth I don't hate Tomlin or the Steelers but I believe the precedent was set with the taking on draft picks over spygate/bountygate and this scenario compromises the integrity of the game regardless of intent. The Jets should have lost picks as well over this and if they had I bet this would have never happened again. 100K/500k fines are meaningless. I think loss of draft pick(s) should be mandatory in these situations.

So people actually believe this is on par with a team employing the practice of spying on another team repeatedly to get a competitive advantage, or an entire team defense taking part in a bounty program designed to injure other players?

The fine is to Tomlin, not the team. $100K is a massive amount of money to him. Will the Steelers pay it for him? Who knows, but Mike Tomlin is not a billionaire.

I personally believe it was intentional, and I believe he should be fined. Tomlin was a freaking ####### for doing it, intentional or not. And just about every Steelers fan I know believes he did it on purpose.

But there's a lot of wishful thinking in here if people actually put Tomlin spontaneously doing something like this, intentional or not, on par with what the Patriots or Saints did. That was an organizational issue. This was a personal mistake.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

The fine is to Tomlin, not the team. $100K is a massive amount of money to him.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

it isn't serious, guess im a troll too.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

$100K to Tomlin, NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.

I am not sure of the rationale for penalizing the organization unless you think the team was behind the action, condoned it or tried to cover it up.

Aren't the owners responsible for every employee in their company/team?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

it isn't serious, guess im a troll too.

We know it isn't. And for anyone to suggest that there is a linear relationship between income and the cost of things is laughable. Not a chance in hell even the worst college in America would graduate someone that thinks that. Even places like Devry wouldn't let a person like that leave school. Only the dumbest people on the planet would attempt to use that as meaningful information.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

it isn't serious, guess im a troll too.

We know it isn't. And for anyone to suggest that there is a linear relationship between income and the cost of things is laughable. Not a chance in hell even the worst college in America would graduate someone that thinks that. Even places like Devry wouldn't let a person like that leave school. Only the dumbest people on the planet would attempt to use that as meaningful information.

For some, especially those who prob still have 2 or 3 roommates, or possibly still living with their parents, $100k is just a mythical number, like Skypager... The thought of millions is something that can't even be imagined in their wildest dreams. Thinking that $100k isn't a big sum, even for those of high net worth like Tomlin, just shows how little they know about economics.

 

[Phinneas Q. Butterfat]

Why should the draft order have any bearing on the punishment?

 

[The Hank]

Why should the draft order have any bearing on the punishment?

I answered this above:

Most local pundits saying that the draft pick loss is more of an empty threat than an actual possibility.

That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if a Compensatory pick gets docked from the Steelers (hence why they are waiting for the draft order to be completed before announcing if any picks get removed)

 

[GregR]

$100K to Tomlin, NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.

I am not sure of the rationale for penalizing the organization unless you think the team was behind the action, condoned it or tried to cover it up.

Who is the primary wielder of organizational authority on game day, if not the coach?

There aren't a lot of people left to hold accountable if we say a club is not responsible for their coach's game time actions.

 

[wadegarrett]

$100k?? They should throw that cheater out of the league.

 

[Doug B]

$100,000 fine! Wow.

Was just going to post "why has the league said nothing?" when I read this. Surprised it took this long to come to a conclusion. Must've been a lot of behind-the-scenes jockeying with the Rooneys.

 

[ROCKET]

NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.



The draft order should have no bearing on the pick forfeited. Rooney was very influential On Goodell getting the commish gig so this isn't surprising.

Yeah, the NFL is doing this b/c everyone will have more or less forgotten about this come draft time, so not stripping a draft pick won't cause an uproar. BS

My exact thoughts. The 100K is a joke, Rooney will probably give him an undisclosed Christmas bonus to cover that. These franchises are run by billionaires, what's 100K or even a million dollars to them? The only punishment that has any impact is the loss of draft picks. Those can't be bought back. For what it's worth I don't hate Tomlin or the Steelers but I believe the precedent was set with the taking on draft picks over spygate/bountygate and this scenario compromises the integrity of the game regardless of intent. The Jets should have lost picks as well over this and if they had I bet this would have never happened again. 100K/500k fines are meaningless. I think loss of draft pick(s) should be mandatory in these situations.

So people actually believe this is on par with a team employing the practice of spying on another team repeatedly to get a competitive advantage, or an entire team defense taking part in a bounty program designed to injure other players?

The fine is to Tomlin, not the team. $100K is a massive amount of money to him. Will the Steelers pay it for him? Who knows, but Mike Tomlin is not a billionaire.

I personally believe it was intentional, and I believe he should be fined. Tomlin was a freaking ####### for doing it, intentional or not. And just about every Steelers fan I know believes he did it on purpose.

But there's a lot of wishful thinking in here if people actually put Tomlin spontaneously doing something like this, intentional or not, on par with what the Patriots or Saints did. That was an organizational issue. This was a personal mistake.

There is only one issue that needs to be taken into account when issuing the punishment and that is If the integrity of the league jeopordized? Tomlin himself has already admitted his actions did just that. Whether or not he acted alone, if it was intentional or not or premeditated are irrelevent. And anyone who actually thinks the 100K won't be recouped by Tomlin down the road probably believes college athletes never get money behind closed doors too.

 

[Doug B]

I am not sure of the rationale for penalizing the organization unless you think the team was behind the action, condoned it or tried to cover it up.

You over-punish to send a message. "Blame" and "deserve" don't matter. Having to prove something was condoned would be essentially impossible, anyway -- the league doesn't even factor that in.

You don't think Tom Benson personally signed off on Bountygate, do you? Or personally signed off on the resulting investigation obstruction? Yet the Saints' franchise was fined and stripped of some draft picks.

 

[mad sweeney]

First time weighing in (or even seeing the video), but is it possible Tomlin saw the upman signal the play (which you see in the above video) was going along the left sideline? If so, it makes complete sense that he was able to stay with his back to the play and then peek at the last second.

He was on the left sideline. And he was watching the play on the jumbotron so no matter what the ref might've signalled, he was watching and knew which side Jones was on.

Not the ref, number 45(?), at the very start of the clip. He signals which way the return should go, no?

I'm not even sure what that means (what do you mean by "should", the kick was on the left and the return stayed on the same side the entire time), but doesn't matter. Tomlin's watching the jumbotron, he can see what side the return is on, no matter what the refs might be signaling.

Ah forget it, ha.

I see my mistake. My brain was seeing umpire, not up man. Either way though, he's watching the play, he knew where the play was going.

 

[The_Man]

Everyone knew that it was gonna be a light punishment. It's the Steelers. Goodell may as well have sent him a letter of commendation.

The NFL would be doing the Steelers a favor if they suspended Tomlin.

Is there a wider difference in the league about how a coach is perceived at home vs. outside his city than there is with Tomlin? I'm one fo the biggest Baltimore homers here, and I think the guy is great. He could coach for my team anytime. But it seems that Steelers fans are kind of sick of him.

As far as this incident goes, I don't think he intentionally set out to inhibit Jones. But in the heat of the moment, did he instinctively stay there as long as possible in an effort to help his coverage? Kind of looks that way to me. But it didn't seem premeditated, unlike with the Jets strength coach who would line up a wall of guys on every punt in the hopes they could intentionally trip up an opposing gunner.

So he came out yesterday and made an abject apology. And I can pretty much guarantee he's never going to do it again, nor will any other NFL coach for a long, long time to come. So he screwed up in the heat of the moment, took responsibility, and helped make sure it will never happen again. Seems like that's the best outcome you could hope for.

I will say thank God the Ravens eventually won the game. Because if they had lost, it would be way way harder for me to view things this dispassionately.

 

[McGarnicle]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

Not sure I agree. The $2200 means a new furnace or a family vacation for a common man. That amount is very significant. Probably 75% of his weekly pay is going directly to a mortgage payment and other basic cost of living expenses.Unless Tomlin is living a very lavish lifestyle, he's going to feel this a lot less. If he's been wise, his house is paid for and most of his pay is invested anyway. $100K should be around what he makes in the stock market in a good year. This in no way should affect his lifestyle to the extent that the $2200 would the everyman. If it does, he's doing a poor job managing his wealth.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

Not sure I agree. The $2200 means a new furnace or a family vacation for a common man. That amount is very significant. Probably 75% of his weekly pay is going directly to a mortgage payment and other basic cost of living expenses.Unless Tomlin is living a very lavish lifestyle, he's going to feel this a lot less. If he's been wise, his house is paid for and most of his pay is invested anyway. $100K should be around what he makes in the stock market in a good year. This in no way should affect his lifestyle to the extent that the $2200 would the everyman. If it does, he's doing a poor job managing his wealth.

Agreed, maybe not the best example... I still think $100k is a decent amount of money, even for a guy wealthy like Tomlin.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The fine was expected, but the most interesting part of Wednesday's announcement concerns the possible loss of draft picks."Because the conduct affected a play on the field, a modification or forfeiture of draft choices will be considered after the final order of the 2014 draft has been determined," the league said in a statement.

They're losing something. Maybe a compensatory pick, maybe a pick between #X and #Y and we're waiting to see what round that's in. But they're losing something.

 

[Godsbrother]

I am not sure of the rationale for penalizing the organization unless you think the team was behind the action, condoned it or tried to cover it up.

You over-punish to send a message. "Blame" and "deserve" don't matter. Having to prove something was condoned would be essentially impossible, anyway -- the league doesn't even factor that in.

You don't think Tom Benson personally signed off on Bountygate, do you? Or personally signed off on the resulting investigation obstruction? Yet the Saints' franchise was fined and stripped of some draft picks.

The NFL concluded that Benson knew about it and instead of notifying the NFL he instructed his GM to put an end to it (which he ultimately did not). The NFL also said that Payton knew about DC Gregg Wilson's bounty scheme, didn't do anything about and tried to cover it up.

So here you have an organization which knew they were violating league policy but didn't notify the NFL or at the very least put an end to it. I think that is a big difference.

IMO you should punish someone for an illegal action, preventing an illegal action or covering up an illegal action. Unless you think the Steelers knew that Tomlin was going to step on to the field to interfere then I am not sure why you are punishing the organization for the act of one individual.

 

[fantasycurse42]

$100,000 fine! Wow.

Wait, so no year-long suspension? No loss of a 1st-round pick? I can't believe it.

Mike Tomlin is often cited as an example of a black coach who got a job because he was previously seen as an unknown but the "Rooney Rule" process afforded him an opportunity.

Maybe they knew what they were doing? 2 Super Bowl trips in six years, 1 Super Bowl Ring, 4 playoff visits... If they could do it all over again, I'm pretty sure they'd make the same hire.

 

[Godsbrother]

Everyone knew that it was gonna be a light punishment. It's the Steelers. Goodell may as well have sent him a letter of commendation.

The NFL would be doing the Steelers a favor if they suspended Tomlin.

Is there a wider difference in the league about how a coach is perceived at home vs. outside his city than there is with Tomlin? I'm one fo the biggest Baltimore homers here, and I think the guy is great. He could coach for my team anytime. But it seems that Steelers fans are kind of sick of him.

As far as this incident goes, I don't think he intentionally set out to inhibit Jones. But in the heat of the moment, did he instinctively stay there as long as possible in an effort to help his coverage? Kind of looks that way to me. But it didn't seem premeditated, unlike with the Jets strength coach who would line up a wall of guys on every punt in the hopes they could intentionally trip up an opposing gunner.

So he came out yesterday and made an abject apology. And I can pretty much guarantee he's never going to do it again, nor will any other NFL coach for a long, long time to come. So he screwed up in the heat of the moment, took responsibility, and helped make sure it will never happen again. Seems like that's the best outcome you could hope for.

I will say thank God the Ravens eventually won the game. Because if they had lost, it would be way way harder for me to view things this dispassionately.

Agreed. This likely saved Tomlin's job and the integrity of the league. This is why the NFL is so upset about it and for good reason.

 

[James Daulton]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

Except for the fact that Tomlin still has $2,900,000 left while the other dude has $63,800.

 

[Bayhawks]

The fine was expected, but the most interesting part of Wednesday's announcement concerns the possible loss of draft picks."Because the conduct affected a play on the field, a modification or forfeiture of draft choices will be considered after the final order of the 2014 draft has been determined," the league said in a statement.

They're losing something. Maybe a compensatory pick, maybe a pick between #X and #Y and we're waiting to see what round that's in. But they're losing something.

That depends. Do you consider the league taking a comp pick away "losing" something? Because I would be surprised if they "lost" more than a comp pick.

 

[ROCKET]

I can see it all unfolding on draft day as Tomlin winks at Roger in round 7 and Goodell announces the Steelers will lose their next pick.

 

[Copeman]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

Except for the fact that Tomlin still has $2,900,000 left while the other dude has $63,800.

I don't think you fully grasped that post.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

Except for the fact that Tomlin still has $2,900,000 left while the other dude has $63,800.

Math is complicated for some.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

Except for the fact that Tomlin still has $2,900,000 left while the other dude has $63,800.

Math is complicated for some.

I'd bet $1,000 that you had the most goals on your JV soccer team your junior year of high school, good blind bet?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Not a shock the biggest troll on the board thinks this punishment isn't serious.

A quick breakdown reveals the severity:

Tomlin earns around $5.5MM a year - 10% to an agent, so now $5MM... All in at such high wages, he loses about 40% of that to the boogey man. His salary brings him home $3MM a year. He loses 3 & 1/3% of his annual income.

For a common man earning $100k, taking home about $66k, that equals about $2,200 dollars. I think most would be unhappy with their employer docking $2,200 out of their pockets.

$100k is a lot of money, even to a guy worth north of $10 million.

I agree, good points.

However, if a team messes with competitive balance, such as by illegally affecting the outcome of a game, then their own competitive balance should also be potentially affected. That would be either by suspending the coach a game or by docking a draft pick, or maybe cutting down their salary cap like what was done with the Redskins.

 

[PatsFanCT]

NFL to consider forfeiture or modification of draft pick(s) once NFL Draft order is set.



The draft order should have no bearing on the pick forfeited. Rooney was very influential On Goodell getting the commish gig so this isn't surprising.

Yeah, the NFL is doing this b/c everyone will have more or less forgotten about this come draft time, so not stripping a draft pick won't cause an uproar. BS

My exact thoughts. The 100K is a joke, Rooney will probably give him an undisclosed Christmas bonus to cover that. These franchises are run by billionaires, what's 100K or even a million dollars to them? The only punishment that has any impact is the loss of draft picks. Those can't be bought back. For what it's worth I don't hate Tomlin or the Steelers but I believe the precedent was set with the taking on draft picks over spygate/bountygate and this scenario compromises the integrity of the game regardless of intent. The Jets should have lost picks as well over this and if they had I bet this would have never happened again. 100K/500k fines are meaningless. I think loss of draft pick(s) should be mandatory in these situations.

So people actually believe this is on par with a team employing the practice of spying on another team repeatedly to get a competitive advantage, or an entire team defense taking part in a bounty program designed to injure other players?

The fine is to Tomlin, not the team. $100K is a massive amount of money to him. Will the Steelers pay it for him? Who knows, but Mike Tomlin is not a billionaire.

I personally believe it was intentional, and I believe he should be fined. Tomlin was a freaking ####### for doing it, intentional or not. And just about every Steelers fan I know believes he did it on purpose.

But there's a lot of wishful thinking in here if people actually put Tomlin spontaneously doing something like this, intentional or not, on par with what the Patriots or Saints did. That was an organizational issue. This was a personal mistake.

Yes, it is exactly on par. You break NFL rules, you get punished for it.

As for the bolded, feel free to share a link where there was any evidence of gaining a competitive advantage, and don't act like the Steelers, or any other team didn't use the same tactics. Just because the Pats got caught, doesn't mean they were the only one doing it.

 

[Phinneas Q. Butterfat]

So people actually believe this is on par with a team employing the practice of spying on another team repeatedly to get a competitive advantage

Yes, it is exactly on par. You break NFL rules, you get punished for it.

You're crazy. Tomlin making a boneheaded decision on one play is in no way on par with the systematic and widespread cheating that the Patriots engaged in FOR SEVEN YEARS. Tomlin ####ed up for sure, and Im not spinning otherwise. But trying to gloss over what the Pats did by comparing it to this?

No.

 

[Mookie]

The punishment deserved to be more severe because he did not admit that it was intentional. He is a liar and should be suspended.