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AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Yes, if you can get him relatively cheap the time is now.
I'd buy if you can get him cheap, but I wouldn't give up more than high end WR3 value for him. Plus I think he'll be marginalized as long as Dixon is throwing, so there's no need to press for him this week. I'd wait another week or two to make an offer.
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Glaven
Footballguy
I'd sell him right before Roethlisberger gets back especially in PPR. Mike Wallace just doesn't possess the skill set to be a consistent fantasy starter week in and week out. The way he basket catches the ball suggests that he's never going to be able to get many receptions during a single game. Considering this, the only time he'll have a good fantasy game is if one of his few receptions is a deep TD.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Was your TV broken for the 2009 season? Your post is wrong on every level it's ridiculous.
Glaven
Footballguy
Fact: Over the past 17 games, Mike Wallace has had more than 3 receptions in a game just twice. I watched him a few times last year and I watched his youtube highlights a couple times. He doesn't look very impressive imo. He's got good speed, but not a whole lot else.
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cantstop1999
Footballguy
Dude your completly wrong, and fried !!!
The Jerk
Footballguy
What does this even mean?Wallace was a rookie 3rd receiver last year on a team whose number one and two receivers combined for 174 receptions for 2415 yards and 11 TDs. That he still accounted for 756 yards and 6 TDs is more significant than the fact that he only had 39 receptions. From a fantasy perspective, should his receptions stay low, Wallace takes a hit in PPR leagues. But the real question is what happens now that Santonio Holmes is no longer a Steeler?Let's compare Wallace in Pittsburgh, where 536 total passes were attempted in 2009, to receivers in far more pass-oriented teams in 2009, Arizona and Indianapolis.Steve Breaston, a #3 WR in Arizona, where 594 team passes were attempted, had 55 receptions for 712 yards and 3 TDs. Even in PPR leagues, Wallace outperformed Breaston despite 58 fewer pass attempts, nearly 4 per game.Pierre Garcon, #3 (in production at least) in Indianapolis, where 601 team passes were attempted, had 47 receptions for 765 yards and 4 TDs. Again, Wallace outperformed him, even in PPR leagues, despite 65 fewer pass attempts, just over 4 per game.Wallace performed very well in 2009, finishing as the #28 WR in FBG's stats (which are non-PPR) fractions of a point ahead of Hakeem Nicks by the way. So despite being a #3 WR on a team that didn't come close to the leaders in pass attempts, Wallace already achieved WR3 production last year. His two WR teammates were #15 (Holmes) and #16 (Ward) on that same FBG list at WR.The question concerning Wallace is how will his numbers change with the greater opportunity for targets as the Steeler #2 WR. It seems like the number of snaps he is on the field will increase significantly, but so should the attention given to him by the defense. I expect Wallace's receptions to increase, but his yards per reception to decrease. I'll lay it out this way. If I project just one more reception per game, the total receptions rise to 55 from 39 in 2009. I'll reduce the yards per reception by 20%, down to 15.5 from 19.4 in 2009. I'll leave the TDs alone. Even if Wallace ends up at 55-850-6, that's still a mid-WR3 (#30/31) finish. And while it's always possible that Wallace's receptions do not go up as much, or that the ypr goes down more, or the TDs go down, I think the 55-850-6 is a pretty likely floor. My only potential reason to lower that floor would be if Ben takes a long time to get into form.Now, a mid-level WR3 doesn't excite nearly anyone, but that's likely a floor. The exciting part is that Wallace goes from a rookie to second year pro, a #3 WR to a #2 WR in an offense that supported 3 top 30 and 2 top 16 FF receivers last season. That's the appeal people like me see in Wallace. No guarantees, but clearly the opportunity exists.
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Wallace's owners are going to know Ben is coming back too, though. IMO it will probably be harder to get him the closer Ben is to returning for that very reason.
The Jerk puts out a nice summary here.
Fact is, the Steelers thought enough of Wallace to trade Holmes and all his problems away. We drafted knowing that the first 4 weeks were a wash for Wallace but he gains value just in time to start covering byes. With the possibility that he performs well enough to have a regular starting role in the lineup. I got him the 10th in a ten teamer. I still like the price.
Fact is, the Steelers thought enough of Wallace to trade Holmes and all his problems away. We drafted knowing that the first 4 weeks were a wash for Wallace but he gains value just in time to start covering byes. With the possibility that he performs well enough to have a regular starting role in the lineup. I got him the 10th in a ten teamer. I still like the price.
The closer Ben gets the more water is already under the bridge. This is the week to go get him.
Glaven
Footballguy
The mistake that I think you are making here is you are basing too much of your projections on last year numbers. I think if you're going to look back at previous data, it would be better to go back more than one year; as it is possible (and I personally think very likely) that last year was an outlier when it comes to Roethlisberger passing yards, even if Roethlisberger played all 16 games, I don't think he would have come close to repeating last years numbers. Last year was the first time Roethlisberger passed for over 4000 yards, previously his yardage high in a season was 3513. Having said all that, the main problem I have with Wallace isn't his situation, it's his talent. I think Wallace's talent is very much overrated on this board, or at least in Mike Wallace threads on this board. The main fault I have with Wallace is that he is a basket catcher. This is one of the worst habits for a NFL WR to have, particularly from a fantasy perspective. The correlation between stud FF WR's and catching the ball with your hands the majority of the time is very high. Pretty well every stud WR (Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White, Miles Austin, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Sidney Rice etc. etc.) catches the ball with their hands. The fact that Wallace does not do this is a major red flag. Wallace's skill set of being very fast, not very big, not being good at breaking tackles, not catching the ball with his hands fits more in line with players like Devery Henderson, Ashley Lelie, Troy Williamson, and Darrius Heyward-Bey (just the guys that readily come to mind, I'm sure there are more) than it does with the players mentioned earlier. Being a basket catcher greatly reduces the ability to consistently be successful in the short-medium range from the line of scrimmage, seeing as this is the area where CB's are more easily to stay tight on the WR, and the act of basket catching gives the CBs more time to make a play. This is why I think Wallace will never be someone who will never be successful in the short-medium area, which will significantly hurt his consistency on a week to week basis. So unless he starts consistently catching the ball with his hands, which history says is unlikely, I likely won't ever have Wallace on any of my fantasy teams, cause predicting which week he'll get the long TD is too difficult. I'm sure I'm in the major minority when I say this, but I wouldn't be shocked if last year ends up being very close statistically to Wallace's greatest fantasy season of his career.
BAY_AREA_GIANT
Footballguy
I was offered Wallace for Felix in a non-PPR redraft.
Somehow with Steven Jackson as my RB1, I can't pull the trigger.
Somehow with Steven Jackson as my RB1, I can't pull the trigger.
BAY_AREA_GIANT
Footballguy
I don't think he does anything spectacular again this week, so his value falls slightly after Finnegan and friends
blake
Footballguy
yeah, pretty much what i'm thinking including The Jerk's excellent rundown. in a 10 team league, i got Wallace in the 9th round and see no need to make any decisions on him until after Ben comes back. i like that he has strong potential for upside. the only way i'd move him is for a WR1/2 or a RB2.hook014 said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The Wallace owner (who also owns Chris Johnson) just offered him to me SU for Javon Ringer.
I couldn't click "accept trade" fast enough.
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frustrated fantasy owners. Come back soon, Ben! 
I couldn't click "accept trade" fast enough.
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frustrated fantasy owners. Come back soon, Ben! 
jerseydevil20
Footballguy
Any chance Wallace breaks WR 20? WR 15? (On a PPG basis with Ben)
I actually have him in that 15-20 range once Ben comes back. I also think Ben himself will be a top-10 guy once he's back.
jerseydevil20
Footballguy
My gut tells me that too. It's logical that owners would expect a jump once Ben returns, but I'm finding there are some very impatient people in my leagues. Wallace and Crabtree can be had for pretty cheap it seems.
you clearly own him and that is clouding your judgment. He is a good deep threat and mediocre or a little above average at everything else. He isn't a very good YAC guy but his yards per catch is nice. He doesn't catch in volume and he doesn't have the hands to play the slot where he really should play. He is kinda like a poor man's Desean Jackson. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing but he really is a WR3/Flex even with Big Ben.
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pghrob
Footballguy
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/...steelers-rookie
Basket catcher claims accepted or rejected, the highlights from just the first 7 games of his rookie year has me looking forward to Ben's return. His hands look plenty good to me. Granted Wallace won't have Santonio to draw the coverage like last year - I am confident that Arians can scheme with Hines, ARE, Sanders, and Heath Miller to give defenders pause enough that Wallace still gets single coverage.
Basket catcher claims accepted or rejected, the highlights from just the first 7 games of his rookie year has me looking forward to Ben's return. His hands look plenty good to me. Granted Wallace won't have Santonio to draw the coverage like last year - I am confident that Arians can scheme with Hines, ARE, Sanders, and Heath Miller to give defenders pause enough that Wallace still gets single coverage.
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daveR
Footballguy
Maybe -- if this young player shows no improvement. In that case, your assessment is his floor.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I would love to but he is not available in any league I am playing in........
Darryl Talley
Footballguy
Didn't start him (unregrettably) but very happy to see him have a huge game.
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Same here. On my bench. Started Boldin instead...
Beanie Baby
Footballguy
Is anyone rolling with Mike this week vs. Baltimore?
I'm waiting for Ben to come back to even think of playing him. Last week he only had 3 catched (even though 2 TD's)..one was a tipped ball.
T with T
Footballguy
I just received Mike Wallace for Reggie Bush in a ppr 12 team dynasty league and felt stoked about that... even after the injury to BUSH the owner didn't hesitate..... i was happy as crap
