Mike Wallace's first & second half splits in 2011 (1 Viewer)

[TS Garp]

Games 1-8: 43 receptions, 800 yards, 5 td's

Games 9-16: 29 receptions, 393 yards, 3 td's

Is the emergence of Antonio Brown hurting his value? Are opposing defenses paying more attention to him and he's having a tougher time? Or is it just a fluke? Do you feel confident drafting him as a WR1 in 2012?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Games 1-8: 43 receptions, 800 yards, 5 td's

Games 9-16: 29 receptions, 393 yards, 3 td's

Is the emergence of Antonio Brown hurting his value? YES Are opposing defenses paying more attention to him and he's having a tougher time? YES Or is it just a fluke? NO Do you feel confident drafting him as a WR1 in 2012? NO

In the area that Wallace will be drafted, probably WR8-12, I dont see how I would take him over the other WRs in that range. Brown is for real, I said before this season even started that he will cut into Wallace's production and as soon as he became a starter in midseason, it was very apparent. Wallace isnt a redzone threat either like essentially all of the elite WRs. I wouldnt touch Wallace in the 3rd considering the other options at WR. Brown will be the real value likely going 8th-9th round Id guess.

 

[Xue]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

He hurt his ankle week 14. Wallace had 82yds in week 16, his highest total since week 7. Wallace was catching a 40+ yard pass seemingly every week the first half of the season. Defenses took note and I dont think he had more than 3 or so over the last 9 games.

 

[Max Power]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

He hurt his ankle week 14. Wallace had 82yds in week 16, his highest total since week 7. Wallace was catching a 40+ yard pass seemingly every week the first half of the season. Defenses took note and I dont think he had more than 3 or so over the last 9 games.

he was averaging over 20 yards per reception through the first 7 weeks. Thats just not a trend anyone should expect to continue throughout the season.

 

[bonesman]

what do Brown's spilts look like? I don't really recall him going off in the 2nd half of the season compared to the first.

 

[TS Garp]

what do Brown's spilts look like? I don't really recall him going off in the 2nd half of the season compared to the first.

Meant to post them above:Antonio Brown:Games 1-8: 34/431/1Games 9-16: 35/677/1

 

[Kenny Powers]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

He hurt his ankle week 14. Wallace had 82yds in week 16, his highest total since week 7. Wallace was catching a 40+ yard pass seemingly every week the first half of the season. Defenses took note and I dont think he had more than 3 or so over the last 9 games.

he was averaging over 20 yards per reception through the first 7 weeks. Thats just not a trend anyone should expect to continue throughout the season.

He averaged 21 YPC last year, 19.4 his rookie year. He was down to 16.6 this year, which still is good, but part of Wallace's value that made him a borderline high-end WR1 was stacking up the yards with less catches because in the PIT offense and with all the other options, he just isnt going to get 80+ catches year to year. If he averaged 20 YPC this year (essentially his average of his first 2 years), he wouldve been WR5 instead of WR10.Despite not even starting until week 8, Brown was 15th in WR targets in the NFL and had 9 more than Wallace. Wallace will still be very productive, but this is much more 1A and 1B than Wallace being the guy in Pittsburgh. If Im taking a WR in the 3rd round, that doesnt sound like my best option.

 

[Grahamburn]

It's basically a progression of events throughout the season.

Wallace's hot start led to more attention from defenses. Then Hines Ward gets hurt which leads to Brown entering the starting lineup. Brown is a better player than Ward at this particular stage in their careers. He gets open quicker and easier so therefore develops a major rapport with Ben, which leads to even more targets for Brown. The extra coverage Wallace is seeing makes Brown an easy read for Ben, and Wallace was again relegated to running deeper routes more often than he had been at the beginning of the year. If Ben isn't hitting him on those he obviously doesn't put up numbers.

Brown looked like the real deal to me. I don't see Ben losing the trust he had in him this season. Wallace is going to score more long TDs, but both of these players are WR2 types in my mind. Wallace is high end (borderline WR1), Brown is lower end.

 

[shadyridr]

Wallace is very talented but hes just a slightly better version of DJax. No way I would touch him with a ten foot pole at his ADP next year.

 

[Crippler]

Was glad to get rid of this guy for 4 2012 1st rounders last year for rebuilding team. One pick will get me Blackmon or Richardson and I doubt I even trade that pick straight up again for Wallace at this point without the other 3 in top 14 still.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

He hurt his ankle week 14. Wallace had 82yds in week 16, his highest total since week 7. Wallace was catching a 40+ yard pass seemingly every week the first half of the season. Defenses took note and I dont think he had more than 3 or so over the last 9 games.

Didn't Batch play in the week 16 game?

 

[shadyridr]

The same game Ben hurt his ankle, Brown had his best game of the year

 

[The Captain]

I like Brown a lot, but look at the TD totals for both players in the second half of the year. Brown had 1 TD to Wallace's 3. That's 4 passing tds to the top 2 WRs on the team in the second half of the season. Wallace dropped off because scoring in the passing game dropped off.

I'm happy to buy Wallace from everyone who thinks Brown is the better Wr. His game speed is off the charts and he's miles ahead of Desean Jackson in terms of talent and maturity.

If the Steelers remain a pass first team there is no reason to think Wallace and Brown can't both be #1 receivers. Wallace more so in standard scoring because he will most assuredly score more Tds, and Brown in PPR.

If you have either, be happy.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Wallace also had a handful of drops later in the year that cost him some yardage/TDs.

 

[Xue]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

He hurt his ankle week 14. Wallace had 82yds in week 16, his highest total since week 7. Wallace was catching a 40+ yard pass seemingly every week the first half of the season. Defenses took note and I dont think he had more than 3 or so over the last 9 games.

Ben first injured the left foot way back in week 4. Was in walking boot after that game.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Don't forget Ben had a bum ankle. Couldn't improvise and had to get rid of the ball quicker. No deep shots.

He hurt his ankle week 14. Wallace had 82yds in week 16, his highest total since week 7. Wallace was catching a 40+ yard pass seemingly every week the first half of the season. Defenses took note and I dont think he had more than 3 or so over the last 9 games.

Ben first injured the left foot way back in week 4. Was in walking boot after that game.

And Wallace went for 276/3 in weeks 5-7...I dont buy Roethlisberger's injuries being the reason Wallace had a disappointing 2nd half of the year.

 

[SlevinKelevra]

If the Steelers remain a pass first team there is no reason to think Wallace and Brown can't both be #1 receivers.

No, they can'tEven as "pass first team" the Steelers offense is not comparable to other "pass first teams" like Saints, Lions, Packers, Patriots, etc...

 

[TS Garp]

3/26 in the playoff game yesterday. He did have a 1 yard TD run, which seems like a bit of a fluke.

Brown went 5/70, Sanders went 6/81 and Heath Miller went 5/60.

Wallace is going to be a very interesting player to watch in drafts as we head into next season. I don't see how you can feel confident in him as a WR1 at this point.

 

[The Hank]

3/26 in the playoff game yesterday. He did have a 1 yard TD run, which seems like a bit of a fluke.Brown went 5/70, Sanders went 6/81 and Heath Miller went 5/60.Wallace is going to be a very interesting player to watch in drafts as we head into next season. I don't see how you can feel confident in him as a WR1 at this point.

He dropped a very catchable 51 yd bomb too... that really hurt.Seems like he has had a lapse in communication with Ben since AB started coming on, I hope that they work it out over the offseason and the rapport that was shown in the 1st half of the season is replicated over the course of the entirety of the 2012 season.

 

[shadyridr]

3/26 in the playoff game yesterday. He did have a 1 yard TD run, which seems like a bit of a fluke.Brown went 5/70, Sanders went 6/81 and Heath Miller went 5/60.Wallace is going to be a very interesting player to watch in drafts as we head into next season. I don't see how you can feel confident in him as a WR1 at this point.

hes a bit over rated if you ask me. sort of a one trick pony. defenses have figured him out imo. solid wr2 in the djax vein

 

[Cookiemonster]

I think had Emmanuel Sanders been healthy, you would have seen a much bigger dip. I expect his 2011 numbers to go down slightly in 2012. Sold him (about a half season too early) in 2010 once he became the Steelers #1 because I saw too many balls to go around to Heath Miller, Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown. Everyone thought Hines Ward's age left a door open for a #1 and while it did, I think it becomes more of a 1a, 1b, 1c situation with Heath a possible 1d. God forbid they ever start throwing to the RB. Ben is the future value IMO.

 

[The Captain]

Looking forward to buying low on Wallace this offseason.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Looking forward to buying low on Wallace this offseason.

GL & GB

 

[The Captain]

Looking forward to buying low on Wallace this offseason.

GL & GB

TY

 

[jp81976]

Looking forward to buying low on Wallace this offseason.

Wallace just went for Jordy Nelson straight up in our 12 team super deep PPR dynasty league. Not really sure how I feel about this.