Mike Williams (1 Viewer)

[John Mamula]

Mike Williams is walking into a great situation with Oakland. Being only 23 people are writing him off way too early and I think this is the perfect fit for him and will be a SOD in your fantasy drafts as you can get him very late. Let's review:

Both Williams and McCown were traded to the Raiders. Williams already has an advantage over the other WRs in that he has practiced with McCown. He has an advantage in the repoir category over the other WRs.

Williams played for Kiffin, the new Raiders coach. Kiffin loves the guy and will design many plays USC ran in their pro style offense for Williams. Again, Williams has an advantage over other WRs with knowledge of a new coach and the system they run.

None of the other WRs are #1 guys. Now the same can be said of Williams as his playing time has been limited at best. However, Porter in his best days will get 900 yards and Curry and Gabriel are nice supplemental guys that will give you 300-500 yards each. This leaves a lot of production in the passing game, and the majority of it will not be going to the TE.

I actually think Porter will not have 900 yards and both Curry and Gabriel will be on the low end of the 300 yards.

800+ yards and 8 TDs.

#36 WR.

 

[Da Guru]

I hope Kiffen can make him faster and leaner.

Mike Williams could not beat out all the FA WRs the Lions brought in. In fact there were games last year that McCown himself played WR in front of Williams.

The main factor was that Mike Williams for whatever reason would not work hard in practice..giving up on routes, running the wrong routes, and all in all not knowing how to conduct himself as a NFL pro.

Williams was late almost everyday to everything, practices, team meetings, whatvever.

I was not happy to see McCown go though.

 

[Slinger]

It's all up to him. Is there any info. out there on how much he weighs now? That'll be telling in how serious he is about making it in the NFL.

 

[Jason Wood]

Interesting.

So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive?

Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?

Buy Low, Sell Lower.

 

[switz]

It really depends on Williams. I will say he seemed to turn the curve at the end of last seasonn..

Still, Porter and Curry - where does BMW fit in? Possibly a slot guy, he would work good over the middle, and be able to out play LBs for the ball.

 

[Da Guru]

It really depends on Williams. I will say he seemed to turn the curve at the end of last seasonn..Still, Porter and Curry - where does BMW fit in? Possibly a slot guy, he would work good over the middle, and be able to out play LBs for the ball.

They tried him in the slot for Detroit..too slow and his routes were not crisp. Slot WRs are usually good route runners.BMW has no burst off of the line, then gets smothered by the quickness of the NFL.I could be wrong but I would be shocked if he had success in Oakland, or anywhere in the NFL.

 

[comfortably numb]

Wow,

#1 or #2?

Lets see him make the team 1st.

Obviously the upside is there, but I wouldn't count on him as being a starter. Hope for it....yes, count on it....no.

 

[switz]

It really depends on Williams. I will say he seemed to turn the curve at the end of last seasonn..Still, Porter and Curry - where does BMW fit in? Possibly a slot guy, he would work good over the middle, and be able to out play LBs for the ball.

They tried him in the slot for Detroit..too slow and his routes were not crisp. Slot WRs are usually good route runners.BMW has no burst off of the line, then gets smothered by the quickness of the NFL.I could be wrong but I would be shocked if he had success in Oakland, or anywhere in the NFL.

that was my point though... he's too slow for an outside position, his best shot is in the slot, but he's really not good there either.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

 

[bostonfred]

Williams already has an advantage over the other WRs in that he has practiced with McCown. He has an advantage in the repoir category over the other WRs.

repoir? FYI the reason Williams has been practicing with McClown is that Williams couldn't beat out their free safety for the #2 WR spot.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Williams already has an advantage over the other WRs in that he has practiced with McCown. He has an advantage in the repoir category over the other WRs.

repoir? FYI the reason Williams has been practicing with McClown is that Williams couldn't beat out their free safety for the #2 WR spot.

 

[LHUCKS]

Williams has the talent, he was easily more dominant at USC than Jarrett and Steve Smith

It'll be interesting to see if he puts in a little more effort with the Raiders.

I think the Raiders are a perfect fit for him personally.

 

[massraider]

He hasn't shown crap.

As a throw-in to a trade, it's nice to get him, and maybe he can turn it around. But I'm not getting too excited.

Davis has always loved USC guys, Kiff recruited Williams. Heck, Williams' high school QB is Kiffin's brother-in-law.

So if Williams can turn it around, this is his best chance. There's room on the roster for him. Beyond that, I am not expecting much.

 

[fsufan]

didn't Detroit play a back up QB at WR over Williams last year

 

[NFZ]

Williams already has an advantage over the other WRs in that he has practiced with McCown. He has an advantage in the repoir category over the other WRs.

repoir? FYI the reason Williams has been practicing with McClown is that Williams couldn't beat out their free safety for the #2 WR spot.

Then during practice he would line up opposite of McCown with Danny O throwing the ball. He didnt play because he didnt know where the routes went. His largest reception of the year was a broke down play where he just stood in the middle of the field until Kitna was forced to throw him the ball. He probably thought he was throwing it away since BMW should have been on the sideline while the clock is running.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think Curry & Porter are both better than Mike Williams. I think Curry will put up way more than 300 yards this year, provided he can stay healthy.

 

[Jason Wood]

Williams has the talent, he was easily more dominant at USC than Jarrett and Steve SmithIt'll be interesting to see if he puts in a little more effort with the Raiders.I think the Raiders are a perfect fit for him personally.

Talent? Everyone in the NFL has talent. Williams lacks work ethic and self discipline. Tell me he's getting shipped to New England or Pittsburgh or Denver, and I might think this lights a fire under him. But Oakland?

 

[Da Guru]

didn't Detroit play a back up QB at WR over Williams last year

Yes, McCown played in front of him when they needed 5 WRs.

 

[gman8343]

I think Curry & Porter are both better than Mike Williams. I think Curry will put up way more than 300 yards this year, provided he can stay healthy.

absolutely agree. People are selling Curry short. The guy is a good WR, and he has "it", the drive, desire and work ethic to improve and succeed that Mike Williams seems to completely lack. Injuries have severely hampered Curry's career, or I think he would have overtaken Porter by now.

 

[softball]

Interesting.

So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive?

Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?

Buy Low, Sell Lower.

Fixedon't buy..

 

[Jason Wood]

Interesting.

So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive?

Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?

Buy Low, Sell Lower.

Fixedon't buy..

Agreed...I was joking about the Raiders front office philosophy. :(

 

[Da Guru]

Matt Leinart on Mike Williams

Was Mike lackadaisical in college?

“Mike was Mike. He practiced … he showed up on Saturdays, he showed up on game day and he was the best player on the field every Saturday the year I played with him. I’m not going to sit here and talk ‘Mike’s my boy’ … I haven’t talked to him in awhile. He was my teammate in college and he was a great football player.’’

The knocks on him here are his work ethic. Did he have to work that hard in college when you’re that talented?

“I know you can get away with not working hard in college when you’re that talented, as far as practicing and even in games.

Yeah, you can definitely get away with it.

I’ve learned in the NFL, if you are lazy or you take days off in practice or don’t go full speed, it’s going to affect your game on Sundays. That’s something I’ve realized. I just hope Mike will turn it around.’’

 

[hutchins929]

put vending machings in the end zone and he will beat any CB down the field!!!

 

[Bri]

Tim Carter will get a K receiving for the Browns too.

It's about time Carter and Williams produce. I'm sick of picking them up on the WW only to have them sit and/or get hurt.

 

[nag']

Ronald Curry is five times the talent and ten times the hard worker than Mike Williams can ever hope to be and will be the #1 wr in Oakland.

 

[FavreCo]

I hope Kiffen can make him faster and leaner.

Mike Williams could not beat out all the FA WRs the Lions brought in. In fact there were games last year that McCown himself played WR in front of Williams.

The main factor was that Mike Williams for whatever reason would not work hard in practice..giving up on routes, running the wrong routes, and all in all not knowing how to conduct himself as a NFL pro.

Williams was late almost everyday to everything, practices, team meetings, whatvever.

I was not happy to see McCown go though.

They kept bringing in bums to take Williams spot and kept failing. Hence, the rotating door of WR's. Then they tried McCown and that failed miserably. Finally they replaced him with Calvin Johnson. He didn't want to be there. He has 1 chance in oakland. We will know before mid year if he will be out of football in 2008. Jury is still out as of now.

 

[Bri]

Williams has the talent, he was easily more dominant at USC than Jarrett and Steve SmithIt'll be interesting to see if he puts in a little more effort with the Raiders.I think the Raiders are a perfect fit for him personally.

Talent? Everyone in the NFL has talent. Williams lacks work ethic and self discipline. Tell me he's getting shipped to New England or Pittsburgh or Denver, and I might think this lights a fire under him. But Oakland?

Did you miss the masks of the Raidernation? He better produce "or else"!How's that for motivation?

 

[Chadstroma]

Although I think the lead post on this is way overly excited- I think this could be a good think for Mike Williams. If he does not respond to Kiffin then he will not respond to anyone. If he fails in Oakland then he is out of the NFL and looking for a job at your local McD's. That negative and positive re-inforcement may light a fire under his rear.

He is too slow to be an elite WR or a #1 wide out in the NFL. However, he could turn into a nice compliment possesion WR if he worked hard to learn the offense, run tight routes, and learn the small detail type of NFL receivership. (yes, I made the word up- live with it).

Then again he may be studying the different meals on the McD menu rather than a NFL playbook very soon.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Funny how he goes from WR5 to WR 1 just by going to the Raiders.

 

[FavreCo]

that was my point though... he's too slow for an outside position, his best shot is in the slot, but he's really not good there either.

Slow. You want slow? I give you Ernest Wilford, who Mike Williams could beat in a 40, running backwards. Is Ernest still playing? Yep. Is he still slow? Painfully. Slow as an excuse is ridiculous.

 

[bostonfred]

Funny how he goes from WR5 to WR 1 just by going to the Raiders.

Funnier still that the Raiders are gladly taking the table scraps from the team that had the #2 pick.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

I saw in BMW's press conference that Kiffen's brother-in-law was BMW's high school quarterback! That struck me as odd for some reason.

He mentioned "Kiff" about a million times. He's got a fresh start with a coach that believes in him in a place that he wants to be. No more excuses for BMW now!

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

 

[Da Guru]

I hope Kiffen can make him faster and leaner.

Mike Williams could not beat out all the FA WRs the Lions brought in. In fact there were games last year that McCown himself played WR in front of Williams.

The main factor was that Mike Williams for whatever reason would not work hard in practice..giving up on routes, running the wrong routes, and all in all not knowing how to conduct himself as a NFL pro.

Williams was late almost everyday to everything, practices, team meetings, whatvever.

I was not happy to see McCown go though.

They kept bringing in bums to take Williams spot and kept failing. Hence, the rotating door of WR's. Then they tried McCown and that failed miserably. Finally they replaced him with Calvin Johnson. He didn't want to be there. He has 1 chance in oakland. We will know before mid year if he will be out of football in 2008. Jury is still out as of now.

Mike Furrey was one of the bums who did not fail.98 catches, almost 1100 yards, 6 Tds

 

[phthalatemagic]

Ronald Curry is five times the talent and ten times the hard worker than Mike Williams can ever hope to be and will be the #1 wr in Oakland.

I see Higgins beating Williams out too.

 

[NFZ]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

 

[Bri]

Mike Williams could not beat out all the FA WRs the Lions brought in. In fact there were games last year that McCown himself played WR in front of Williams.

I don't believe this is correct. I'm not 100% or anything but I always got the impression they held him to a standard and if he didn't hit that, he wasn't going to be part of their WR corps.IE you get in shape, show up, work hard etc.IIRC When he got a clue near the end of the year he was somewhere amidst 3rd 4th WR. He earned that shot, at least that's what I read. You absolutely have every right to bark about a guy behaving for a few weeks while they paid him for years....no doubt.... but I'm quite curious if that extremely brief model citizen can show up in Oakland.He's probably top ten gifted WRs I've ever seen. I remember RBs like Ben Gay that were also pretty "WOW" in highlights and had their (real) brief moments but didn't pan out. IIRC He wasn't that bright and couldn't pickup the O and blocking and all. Reading about Ben Gay and his potential and how reputable names gawked at him and all was just fascinating. I'm not so sure Mike Williams is much different. Obviously he's got a shot here to give it a try and I wish him the best. In talk, he's Ben Gay as a WR for me. In FF, few things are more exciting than getting a pro bowler off the WW so I'll probably always pick him up.

 

[hutchins929]

Mike Furrey was one of the bums who did not fail.98 catches, almost 1100 yards, 6 Tds

I wonder how he handels being #3? although it seemed as though he could catch anything and he always found a way to get open!I guess my joke wasn't as funny as I thought."put vending machines in the end zone and he (BMW) will beat any CB down the field."

 

[Bojang0301]

Kiffin said he'll try him in the X, so he has the opportunity. I wouldn't recomend using a roster spot on him though except in deep leagues or as an in season pick up.

 

[Da Guru]

Mike Furrey was one of the bums who did not fail.98 catches, almost 1100 yards, 6 Tds

I wonder how he handels being #3? although it seemed as though he could catch anything and he always found a way to get open!I guess my joke wasn't as funny as I thought."put vending machines in the end zone and he (BMW) will beat any CB down the field."

Mike Furrey will do well in the slot. Kitna said Furry runs razor sharp routes, and that he always knows where Furrey will be. Twice last year Kitna threw what looked like boned headed INts, then I heard last on WDFN that Mike Williams ran the wrong route but Kitna had the class to take the blame.

 

[Bri]

He is too slow to be an elite WR or a #1 wide out in the NFL.

I don't think he's smart wise enough to be an elite WR AND be slow. Surely you've seen old Rice get 180 against the Jets or Troy Brown take over a game for a series or Proehl or Rod Smith or somesuch. Chrebet's whole career he wasn't fast enough or tall enough or weighed enough, he just kept converting 3rd downs though.

 

[Family Matters]

Well this thread is one of disbelief. First off anyone that thinks Williams is going to be a #1 WR is hoping for his college days. Det is a great place to catch passes. If you can't cut it in Det you're not going to do much better in Oak. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest he has changed his ways.

And then the other thought of Curry on the lower side of 300 yards, let alone not a #1 is moe debatable. But I think there's enough evidence to think he can and will be their #1. Now that he has an NFL QB to throw to him I think you'll be very pleased with his performance. I can easily see 80 and 1000 based on his finish last year and his YPC. (His last 4 games he avg 8.25 catches per game and 84 yards). In fact he should do better than that but he does have a rookie throwing to him so we have to temper projections.

 

[perry147]

BMW is a waste - he got the money and then got lazy. He never had to work hard in college and he never worked hard in the NFL. OAK is his last chance but I do not think he will turn it around and make it -AND even if he does OAK will be playing with a rookie QB which last time I checked hurt most WR value (not helped).

 

[FavreCo]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Ask yourself this: Would dropping 15+ lbs off of BWM get him to 4.35? How about 4.45? Answer: No. So the Lions were simply fining Williams in order to recoup $. They had no interest in keeping him or using him even if he got to 220. He didn't want to be there.Based on what you are saying, should not Calvin drop 25 lbs to 220? He would then run about a 4.15 or so if the reason is to make a guy faster. See how it makes no sense. BMW is as fast as he's ever gonna be. Ditto Calvin.

 

[FavreCo]

I guess my joke wasn't as funny as I thought."put vending machines in the end zone and he (BMW) will beat any CB down the field."

It was a beauty. I was going to comment on it.

 

[Jason Wood]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Anyone care to guess what Mike Williams BMI was on average during his tenure as a Lion? If Johnson's is half that, I would be surprised.

 

[Da Guru]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Anyone care to guess what Mike Williams BMI was on average during his tenure as a Lion? If Johnson's is half that, I would be surprised.

I have stated that my friend is a good buddy of a Lion asistant. I was told that Mike Williams has a soft, pudgy body type. Not a typical WR who usually are quite ripped.

 

[Dirk Digler]

Ronald Curry is five times the talent and ten times the hard worker than Mike Williams can ever hope to be and will be the #1 wr in Oakland.

+1

 

[NFZ]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Ask yourself this: Would dropping 15+ lbs off of BWM get him to 4.35? How about 4.45? Answer: No. So the Lions were simply fining Williams in order to recoup $. They had no interest in keeping him or using him even if he got to 220. He didn't want to be there.Based on what you are saying, should not Calvin drop 25 lbs to 220? He would then run about a 4.15 or so if the reason is to make a guy faster. See how it makes no sense. BMW is as fast as he's ever gonna be. Ditto Calvin.

If someone refuses to stay motivated and in shape, what do you do or where do you start? TDs and yards weren't motivation enough, so maybe money is?

 

[Jason Wood]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Ask yourself this: Would dropping 15+ lbs off of BWM get him to 4.35? How about 4.45? Answer: No. So the Lions were simply fining Williams in order to recoup $. They had no interest in keeping him or using him even if he got to 220. He didn't want to be there.Based on what you are saying, should not Calvin drop 25 lbs to 220? He would then run about a 4.15 or so if the reason is to make a guy faster. See how it makes no sense. BMW is as fast as he's ever gonna be. Ditto Calvin.

Mike Williams wasn't fined because he was slow. He was fined because he was out of shape, had difficulty learning the playbook and was chronically late for team meetings.

 

[Family Matters]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW? :(

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Ask yourself this: Would dropping 15+ lbs off of BWM get him to 4.35? How about 4.45? Answer: No. So the Lions were simply fining Williams in order to recoup $. They had no interest in keeping him or using him even if he got to 220. He didn't want to be there.Based on what you are saying, should not Calvin drop 25 lbs to 220? He would then run about a 4.15 or so if the reason is to make a guy faster. See how it makes no sense. BMW is as fast as he's ever gonna be. Ditto Calvin.

Mike Williams wasn't fined because he was slow. He was fined because he was out of shape, had difficulty learning the playbook and was chronically late for team meetings.

I thought you said he wasn't slow?