Mike Williams (1 Viewer)

[FavreCo]

Mike Williams wasn't fined because he was slow. He was fined because he was out of shape, had difficulty learning the playbook and was chronically late for team meetings.

Wrong. You can't be fined for 'having difficulty learning a playbook'. Also, he wasn't late for meetings in 2006. He was fined under a bogus Maranelli rule that won't apply to Calvin Johnson.

 

[John Mamula]

I will say he seemed to turn the curve at the end of last seasonn..

granted his work ethic was poor and felt like he was entitled to be the man, but with taking that year off i think it impacted more than most, and even he thought it would.this is a great situation for him and trading away moss when they get williams is not a coincidence.kiffin loves this guy and i think he will be able to get williams to play hard with the opportunity given.plus with what it will cost you to draft him, there is very limited downside.

 

[John Mamula]

by the responses in here i will be able to draft him even lower than i thought.



writing 23 year old WRs off must be the shark move here.

meanwhile 28 year old WRs who have never been a productive #1 and other WRs who cap out at 600 yards receiving due to a myriad of reasons are locks to take over as the man in oakland.

if porter, curry, and gabriel haven't busted out by now, they are not going to. they have hit their peak.

williams has not.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

alvis whitted will be ahead of him on the depth chart.

 

[toxicbees]

He's only 23 years old, he's way too young to be written off as a bust.

 

[John Mamula]

He's only 23 years old, he's way too young to be written off as a bust.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

He's only 23 years old, he's way too young to be written off as a bust.

how old is charles rogers?

 

[John Mamula]

alvis whitted will be ahead of him on the depth chart.

another WR who has hit his peak of mediocrity.the raiders have a #2 and three #3-#4 caliber WRs.only williams has the potential to be a #1.now he may not ever reach that potential, but at the price you can get him at he is a must draft late in your drafts.williams will start the season as the #3 WR, but will eventually produce at a #2 level at least for the Raiders.

 

[John Mamula]

He's only 23 years old, he's way too young to be written off as a bust.

how old is charles rogers?

link to mike williams breaking his collarbone multiple times?PS: the answer is 26 once the season startsBorn: 5/23/1981

 

[Chase Stuart]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Anyone care to guess what Mike Williams BMI was on average during his tenure as a Lion? If Johnson's is half that, I would be surprised.

I know what you're saying here, but Williams' BMI is identical to Johnson's.Williams peaked at 240 for the Lions, and was closer to 230 for most of his career (I think). and he's 6'4 or 6'5. Johnson is 6'4 or 6'5, and weighs in the upper 230s.

 

[Jason Wood]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Anyone care to guess what Mike Williams BMI was on average during his tenure as a Lion? If Johnson's is half that, I would be surprised.

I know what you're saying here, but Williams' BMI is identical to Johnson's.Williams peaked at 240 for the Lions, and was closer to 230 for most of his career (I think). and he's 6'4 or 6'5. Johnson is 6'4 or 6'5, and weighs in the upper 230s.

Hey Chase,Yep...you're right, BMI apparently is a FLAWED measuring stick. I meant to say body fat percentage in retrospect.

 

[John Mamula]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Anyone care to guess what Mike Williams BMI was on average during his tenure as a Lion? If Johnson's is half that, I would be surprised.

I know what you're saying here, but Williams' BMI is identical to Johnson's.Williams peaked at 240 for the Lions, and was closer to 230 for most of his career (I think). and he's 6'4 or 6'5. Johnson is 6'4 or 6'5, and weighs in the upper 230s.

Hey Chase,Yep...you're right, BMI apparently is a FLAWED measuring stick. I meant to say body fat percentage in retrospect.

i was about to reply that BMI is a terrible way to measure.regardless of what you think of williams, body fat would be a better measuring stick than BMI.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

alvis whitted will be ahead of him on the depth chart.

another WR who has hit his peak of mediocrity.the raiders have a #2 and three #3-#4 caliber WRs.only williams has the potential to be a #1.now he may not ever reach that potential, but at the price you can get him at he is a must draft late in your drafts.williams will start the season as the #3 WR, but will eventually produce at a #2 level at least for the Raiders.

i watch every raider game. the only way bmw is better than #4 is if porter implodes again. hell, johnnie lee higgins may be ahead of him.& lets not forget we're talking about the raiders here, unless it's a ppr league the raider #1 wr is only around #32-36.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

During BMW's first pro day and subsequent personal workouts with NFL teams, he was in the 228 range with bodyfat of 6.4-6.8%. A healthy male athlete is in the 5-12% range.

Again, I think BMW's size is not the issue. He's just not fast and losing a few additional pounds with his large frame is not going to significantly help his speed.

At the same time, I can't believe I'm defending a kid that's really been his own worst enemy. I think he's got the skills to overcome his lack of speed, I just question whether he's got the smarts to overcome his lack of desire!

 

[JimboJim]

I think those who are saying that Williams is soft and pudgy or "out of shape" are worng. Granted, he's no Calvin Johnson, but I've never seen a picture of BMW where he looks more like a TE than a WR. The line in the NFL is so thin, even a mild lack of conditioning, especially for a WR, can be a career-killer.

I think Williams' inability to crack the starting lineup in Detroit is a combination of two things.

1. It's obvious that he struggle to seperate at the line against athlectic, speedy NFL CBs. If he can't get into a route or seperate from a DB, then any chance of a QB being able to time a pass to him will be nearly impossible.

2. He doesn't seem to have the work ethic to want to improve. He does have good hands and body control. If he worked on getting muscled up/toned a little bit, he might be able to increase his speed and agility enough to create seperation.

From what I have read, the Detroit staff understood this prior to drafting him. However, their mistake was thinking that they could mold him into a more athletic, physical receiver; he just doesn't seem to have the maturity or drive to get better.

I think if he wanted to, and spent the time and effort to get better physically, he has the talent to contribute to a team. Good luck to the Raiders. I'll believe it when I see it... and BTW, I was a huge Williams fan in college and when he got drafted.

 

[NFZ]

During BMW's first pro day and subsequent personal workouts with NFL teams, he was in the 228 range with bodyfat of 6.4-6.8%. A healthy male athlete is in the 5-12% range.

Again, I think BMW's size is not the issue. He's just not fast and losing a few additional pounds with his large frame is not going to significantly help his speed.

At the same time, I can't believe I'm defending a kid that's really been his own worst enemy. I think he's got the skills to overcome his lack of speed, I just question whether he's got the smarts to overcome his lack of desire!

With the Lions he repeatedly reported to camp between 240 and 250. That is a good amount of extra weight. It just proves he had no desire like you go on to say.

 

[Kit Fisto]

This is STILL Mike Williams we're talking about right? Now he just has a Raider on his helmet instead of a Lion? Underneath the uniform it's the same Mike Williams, right?

GB the Mike Williams apologists.

 

[massraider]

This is STILL Mike Williams we're talking about right? Now he just has a Raider on his helmet instead of a Lion? Underneath the uniform it's the same Mike Williams, right?

GB the Mike Williams apologists.

For real. I want to believe, I really do. But man, they gave up on this guy quick. I gotta believe that means something.

 

[Da Guru]

Are the Lions going to fine Calvin Johnson for being over their WR weight limit, too, like they made such a big deal of with BMW?

4.35 vs 4.56Pretty sure this is why they tried to get Williams to lay of the krispy creams.

Anyone care to guess what Mike Williams BMI was on average during his tenure as a Lion? If Johnson's is half that, I would be surprised.

I know what you're saying here, but Williams' BMI is identical to Johnson's.Williams peaked at 240 for the Lions, and was closer to 230 for most of his career (I think). and he's 6'4 or 6'5. Johnson is 6'4 or 6'5, and weighs in the upper 230s.

There is a difference between a soft 235, and a ripped 235.

 

[Jason Wood]

This is STILL Mike Williams we're talking about right? Now he just has a Raider on his helmet instead of a Lion? Underneath the uniform it's the same Mike Williams, right?

GB the Mike Williams apologists.

For real. I want to believe, I really do. But man, they gave up on this guy quick. I gotta believe that means something.

And it's not just a case of a coach souring on the kid. It's two entirely different coaching staffs coming to the same determination.

 

[Chadstroma]

He is too slow to be an elite WR or a #1 wide out in the NFL.

I don't think he's smart wise enough to be an elite WR AND be slow. Surely you've seen old Rice get 180 against the Jets or Troy Brown take over a game for a series or Proehl or Rod Smith or somesuch. Chrebet's whole career he wasn't fast enough or tall enough or weighed enough, he just kept converting 3rd downs though.

He does not have the speed (track or NFL speed) to be a great NFL WR or even a top notch NFL WR. The guys you mentioned were great route runners and used their hands and technique to get seperation. Williams can do much better with such things but it is doubtful that he will learn so much. Also, other than Chrebet- all the guys you listed only got slow in their old age. Take your pick and they were not speedsters but they also were not getting lapped by linemen.

 

[Otis]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

 

[Tag]

I like Porter and Curry's chances over BMW.

 

[John Mamula]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

i'm going to love to see his adp as mocks start to roll out over the summer.take williams over your 2nd defense or kicker for pure upside.stick him on the bench for the first few weeks and see what happens.:shrugs:

 

[Da Guru]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

i'm going to love to see his adp as mocks start to roll out over the summer.take williams over your 2nd defense or kicker for pure upside.stick him on the bench for the first few weeks and see what happens.:shrugs:

That is if he even has an ADP.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

i'm going to love to see his adp as mocks start to roll out over the summer.take williams over your 2nd defense or kicker for pure upside.stick him on the bench for the first few weeks and see what happens.:shrugs:

That is if he even has an ADP.

 

[John Mamula]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

i'm going to love to see his adp as mocks start to roll out over the summer.take williams over your 2nd defense or kicker for pure upside.stick him on the bench for the first few weeks and see what happens.:shrugs:

That is if he even has an ADP.

bernard berrian was undrafted in many leagues as he did not even show up in most antsports drafts.just because people make the mistake of not drafting someone does not indicate success.as usual, the majority here miss the point of potential value when comparing opportunity and potential production to price to acquire said player.just something to think about in your last couple rounds of the draft.

 

[Slinger]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

i'm going to love to see his adp as mocks start to roll out over the summer.take williams over your 2nd defense or kicker for pure upside.stick him on the bench for the first few weeks and see what happens.:shrugs:

That is if he even has an ADP.

bernard berrian was undrafted in many leagues as he did not even show up in most antsports drafts.just because people make the mistake of not drafting someone does not indicate success.as usual, the majority here miss the point of potential value when comparing opportunity and potential production to price to acquire said player.just something to think about in your last couple rounds of the draft.

I'm going to start a "LOOK AT ME, I KNEW MIKE WILLIAMS WOULD SUCK!' thread next year.

 

[MichiganPanthers]

I know that there are a ton of Raider and Trojan slappys in here, but, truthfully, what makes anyone in here think that BMW is gonna do anything? Besides the fact that he cannot get seperation on anyone, look at the wonderful state of the Raiders:

1. Terrible Offensive Line (McCown isn't gonna have that much time)

2. McCown isn't that seasoned and couldn't even beat out Kitna

3. Raiders coaching staff is suspect, at best

4. Can't play the outside because lack of speed and can't play the slot because even LBs can outrun him.

Lets take off the rosey glasses and look at the facts. He was very good in college three years ago. Since then, he hasn't even begun to produce anything better than a practice squad receiver. Yes, he probably got somewhat a raw deal last year because he didn't fit into Martz's type offense. But BMW did nothing to show Martz that he could play. Obviously he wasn't picking up the playbook because McCown took snaps ahead of him at WR.

I want him to succeed. (I like seeing players do well after they leave the Lions! lol) But to expect #1 or #2 type numbers maybe asking a little too much. You never know, maybe they can convert him to a TE?

 

[Buttmonkey]

Curry was producing nicely last year when Moss finely hung it up for the season and he stepped into the #1 role.

Porter has his head on straight this season and is saying/doing all the right things now - and he's shown that he is a very capable #2 receiver.

The Raider offense cannot be as bad as last year simply becuase Art Shell and company are gone. I think the Raider lack of offense was more to do with the coaches/play calling than the actual players themselves.

BMW will be lucky to step into the #3 WR role.

 

[Jason Wood]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

Coming so cheap? Again, the Raiders traded Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, the same "cheap" price they acquired a flawed backup QB and Mike Williams for. If that's your definition of optimizing draft picks, or generating value, so be it.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

Coming so cheap? Again, the Raiders traded Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, the same "cheap" price they acquired a flawed backup QB and Mike Williams for. If that's your definition of optimizing draft picks, or generating value, so be it.

First I think we are talking about a guy who is maybe going to be the #3 receiver on a team with a rookie QB. He isn't going to produce next year regardless IMO. I don't think he will beat out Porter or Curry.BUT, having said that IMO Martz's system was all wrong for Mike Williams with its base 20 yard ins and outs. He never had the speed neccessary for that system. I think they probably dumped him to give him a real chance with another team. This isn't to say everything people has said wasn't true. He may have been fat, immature, and slow. But he also had a rough transition into the NFL. And he was a solid talent.I believe in the right system with the right attitude he could perform in a Mushin Muhammed or Keyshawn Johnson type role. I remember Moose's first few seasons with Carolina weren't very good either. Mike Williams is a big target who has shown good hands in the past. I could see him running comebacks, hooks, 10 yard ins/outs and short crosses effectively from the slot. If he can block its a bonus....I doubt he gets his act together though. To me, fantasy wise, he isn't even an afterthought for next year. Thinking he will even compete for the #1 against Porter is delusional. Curry will dust him too.

 

[Atomic Dawg]

All this talk on this gets away from the fact that they got another QB out of this AND got to dump all that salary going to Randy Moss. If he perfoms, that is just bonus. McCown will keep the seat warm until Jamarcus is ready to roll. 2 people for a 4th rounder is not that bad a price to pay. They are already stocked at WR with Porter, Curry, Gabriel, and the rookies.

I am one of the ones that doubts that Williams will pan out, but getting McCowm was worth it. Do not be surprised if Dante joins him in June.

 

[massraider]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

Coming so cheap? Again, the Raiders traded Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, the same "cheap" price they acquired a flawed backup QB and Mike Williams for. If that's your definition of optimizing draft picks, or generating value, so be it.

They traded the #33 pick to Arizona, added a 4th rounder, moved down, and got they guy they wanted in Zach Miller.That extra 4th was sent to DET for McCown and Williams. So, for the #33 pick, they got Zach Miller, McCown, and Williams.Yeah, I think he came cheap.You want to compare it to the Moss deal, fine. But it's apples and oranges. The Moss deal was cutting their losses, and getting something for a guy they were probably going to cut in August. And if they use some of that $21 million savings to extend their Pro Bowl CB, more the better.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Equating the 3 fourth round trades is not wise. THey were all done for different reasons for the buyer and seller. i thought the DJax trade was the most logical, the Moss trade the one that could have the greatest impact or no impact at all, and the Raiders trade decent value b/c they acquired a starter to play in front of Russell and got rid of a headache. Williams's value in the deal is pretty negligible.

 

[Vision6]

No, at least not this year

Curry and Porter will be the starters

Gabriel,Williams,Higgins fight it out for the scraps

However Williams may put up some TDs this year as Kiffin has called him the greatest Redzone threat he's ever coached.

 

[oukurt]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

Enough with the Mike Williams comebacks already.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I know that there are a ton of Raider and Trojan slappys in here, but, truthfully, what makes anyone in here think that BMW is gonna do anything? Besides the fact that he cannot get seperation on anyone, look at the wonderful state of the Raiders:1. Terrible Offensive Line (McCown isn't gonna have that much time)2. McCown isn't that seasoned and couldn't even beat out Kitna3. Raiders coaching staff is suspect, at best 4. Can't play the outside because lack of speed and can't play the slot because even LBs can outrun him.Lets take off the rosey glasses and look at the facts. He was very good in college three years ago. Since then, he hasn't even begun to produce anything better than a practice squad receiver. Yes, he probably got somewhat a raw deal last year because he didn't fit into Martz's type offense. But BMW did nothing to show Martz that he could play. Obviously he wasn't picking up the playbook because McCown took snaps ahead of him at WR. I want him to succeed. (I like seeing players do well after they leave the Lions! lol) But to expect #1 or #2 type numbers maybe asking a little too much. You never know, maybe they can convert him to a TE?

i am both a raider fan & a trojan slappy. mike williams was a great college player. that is all. he will be lucky to make the team.

 

[tommyGunZ]

i think baggers point is that BMW's value is so low now that he's a decent 17th/18th round flyer at the end of your drafts when you're taking your 2nd K and defense. I see little harm in that gamble.

That being said, Curry and Porter are leap years ahead of BMW at this point, and I'd be surprised if Williams overtakes either on the depth chart. Porter's still young and talented, and Curry is probably one of the better all around athletes in the entire NFL. People forget that Curry was the #1 football AND basketball recruit coming out of HS, started at PG for UNC, and was a pretty good college QB. He's a better Randle-El, with worse luck (injuries). Curry has both heart and work ethic, two things that have eluded BMW.

 

[Otis]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

Coming so cheap? Again, the Raiders traded Randy Moss for a 4th rounder, the same "cheap" price they acquired a flawed backup QB and Mike Williams for. If that's your definition of optimizing draft picks, or generating value, so be it.

You're not understanding my point. I am talking about fantasy draft cheap, not real world NFL cheap.

 

[Da Guru]

Interesting.So a guy with classically poor work habits, who even Mike Martz couldn't find use for, is going to go to the worst franchise in the league and become uber productive? Somehow brining in a 32-year old guy with minimal experience as a collegiate OC much less an NFL-tested one is going to turn the moribund Raiders franchise around and instill a major dose of discipline?Buy Low, Sell Lower.

I don't know about this. He's been coming so cheap that I'd have no problem rolling the dice on his talent alone. The downside (price) is (or was) fairly minimal.

i'm going to love to see his adp as mocks start to roll out over the summer.take williams over your 2nd defense or kicker for pure upside.stick him on the bench for the first few weeks and see what happens.:shrugs:

That is if he even has an ADP.

bernard berrian was undrafted in many leagues as he did not even show up in most antsports drafts.just because people make the mistake of not drafting someone does not indicate success.as usual, the majority here miss the point of potential value when comparing opportunity and potential production to price to acquire said player.just something to think about in your last couple rounds of the draft.

I picked up Berrien last year so I watched many Bear games. Mike Williams is not even close to Berrien as a WR. Berrien can blow by DBs, BMW can`t blow by anyone. I would like to see Mike get his act together and be a solid NFL WR, but I am not counting on it.

 

[turkishkamel]

He hasn't shown crap. As a throw-in to a trade, it's nice to get him, and maybe he can turn it around. But I'm not getting too excited. Davis has always loved USC guys, Kiff recruited Williams. Heck, Williams' high school QB is Kiffin's brother-in-law.So if Williams can turn it around, this is his best chance. There's room on the roster for him. Beyond that, I am not expecting much.

thats about the best attitude to have regarding williams. there is talent in there somewhere, for whatever reason he couldnt get motivated in detroit. when he did finally get a chance to play he played horribly (dropped game winning pass in 4th qtr vs Bears). there were times last year when roy williams was begging to get him on the field. the coaches were even commenting on how much better he looked. when he didnt get immediate playing time after "busting his butt", he gave up. BMW was twice the WR Jarrett was at USC. Jarrett will be twice the NFL receiver.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Just the fact that BMW got traded (not forced into retirement) and an NFL team showed interest this off-season, is more than half of the haters in here gave him credit for.

Do I think BMW will be a number 1 this season - NO

I do think hes worth a flyer when the moon and the stars aligned and he was reunited in southern California with a coach whos known him since he was a junior in high-school.

I'd imagine with friends,family and USC fans showing to all your home games you'll want to impress.

 

[LawFitz]

Just the fact that BMW got traded (not forced into retirement) and an NFL team showed interest this off-season, is more than half of the haters in here gave him credit for.Do I think BMW will be a number 1 this season - NOI do think hes worth a flyer when the moon and the stars aligned and he was reunited in southern California with a coach whos known him since he was a junior in high-school. I'd imagine with friends,family and USC fans showing to all your home games you'll want to impress.

???You do know that the Raiders moved to Oakland more than 10 years ago now, right?

 

[Sleeper 43]

Just the fact that BMW got traded (not forced into retirement) and an NFL team showed interest this off-season, is more than half of the haters in here gave him credit for.Do I think BMW will be a number 1 this season - NOI do think hes worth a flyer when the moon and the stars aligned and he was reunited in southern California with a coach whos known him since he was a junior in high-school. I'd imagine with friends,family and USC fans showing to all your home games you'll want to impress.

???You do know that the Raiders moved to Oakland more than 10 years ago now, right?

I'm sorry , lets play t i t for tat then .... Yes I know. Did you know that people own vehicles and can travel reasonable distances to attend football games?Did you know that despite Los Angeles not having a football team that they still have football fans?!!.....I know man its crazy !

 

[Da Guru]

I compare Mike Williams to David Terell who was the #9 overall pick I believe.

Both great college players, both had ???? work habits in college that did not change in the NFL. Terrell bounced around to a few teams without much success. I can see the same path for BMW.

 

[Franchise Playa]

I read the title of this thread and thought immediately "Mike Willams will only be a 1 or 2 in Oakland in the buffet line at team lunches..."

 

[msommer]

A few days ago there was a thread about Porter's value if Moss was traded Link

The overwhelming majority of the replies in that thread implied that Porter was worthless (if any value was to be had among the OAK receivers it was to be from Curry). Now we are debating the same about Mike Williams except now Porter is a 'firmly entrenched' starter (except according to bagger ).

Are we discussing the same person here?

The only positive I can come up with on BMW in OAK is that he might know the terminology, might remember the playbook and that his coach might know how to get him on the field in the red zone situations.

OAK going from a 1970-1980 style pro playbook to a modern college playbook does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling in general and the specific implication that this offense will make BMW a superstar rings somewhat hollow as well. Steve Spurrier tried to run a college offense - did not work. Norm Chow tried to implement some of his college stuff - and the Titans picked 3rd the following year.

With that in mind I'd be very surprised if Mike Williams is the #1 or #2 receiver on Oaklands team barring injury, and very surprised if he actually becomes a fantasy force (say top 30 WR).

 

[kaso]

I think the true MWilliams we will see lies somewhere in the middle of all of this decision. I don't believe he will be the WR1 or WR2 in this offence, for a number of reasons. And I don't think that he will get cut from the team either.

I do expect to see Williams stay on the roster and play enough to warrant his position on the team.

He isn't going to turn into a pro-bowl WR just due to this trade though.

I am sure hat he realizes the opportunity he is getting here and will work hard to make it work. For whatever reason, he didn't want to put the effort into his work while he was a lion. I just hope that same reason doesn't exist for him in Oakland.

There is a good reason why Kiffin went after him. As well as there is a good reason Detroit let him go. I just hope Kiffin is right.

And hell, with everything else that Kiffin has done, if this is his worst move - so be it. It was worth the risk.

 

[kensat30]

Mike William's failed as a Lion because he couldn't get into the game. Lack of motivation? Poor work ethic? Not skilled enough? Or just plain disliked from the coaching staff up to the front office? Who really knows what was going on? Roy Williams went to bat for the guy, but 3-13 Detroit decided it was best to put backup QB McCown into the game at WR, rather than actually play the #10 draft pick that they had invested multiple millions in.

Let's see if he is well regarded enough, talented enough, motivated enough, in Oakland to be given a chance. I for one would like to see him play in at least a few games before I decide what kind of player the guy can be.