Mike X vs. Mike Williams TB (1 Viewer)

[nightmare]

With Housh gone I'm surprised this thread isn't getting more traffic.

I think Seattle's offense slightly disappoints, Tampa's surprises(not big)

but Freeman shows he's the real deal.

 

[The Moz]

The only WR as physically gifted as Mike X is Calvin Johnson - and to be honest Mike X was better in college than Calvin - true he played on the best offense in college football but still made un real catches and was a threat from anywhere.

Pure hyperbole. Mike Williams was slow even in college and made a living of beating up on short corners on fade routes. Check out how slow he i in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0tatzaC68

LOL.That "short corner" is NFL caliber Leon Hall. Starting CB for the Bengals.

LOL

AGAIN Mike X got screwed by a judge's ruling saying it was okay for Mo Claurett to enter draft early so he joined and decided to enter as well only to be told no he couldn't and he alrady had an agent and had to sit a year out. How many players sit a year out of football and are ever anything? He was a kid who got loans and lived it up for a year and got fat. Many of these kids need the structure 24 / 7 to make it thats why NFL is basically year round now.

Talent wise theres no other college WR I ever saw more talented. Through in beign in shape for the first time since 2004 and having his college coach - yeah theres mega hype but he will be a stud if he keeps head on straight

 

[nysportsfan]

MX-Dubya: 88-1250-15

 

[Steed]

The only WR as physically gifted as Mike X is Calvin Johnson - and to be honest Mike X was better in college than Calvin - true he played on the best offense in college football but still made un real catches and was a threat from anywhere.

Pure hyperbole. Mike Williams was slow even in college and made a living of beating up on short corners on fade routes. Check out how slow he i in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0tatzaC68

he looked like an NFL receiver playing against a college corner in that clip. you should use other clips if you are trying to insult him.

He didn't even have to try in college either. DBs were no match for him. I'll bet right now he is faster than he has ever been in college.

I'm taking MX-Dubya in the 12th and Dwayne Jarrett in the 13th of all my ultra-competitive dynasty leagues. Locking them up wherever I can (The Shark Move). I think both already had the skill and just needed to get faster and acclimated to the NFL game. You couldn't possibly draw up a better threat in the red-zone. I like to do that before their breakout games cause the Internet is catching up to us old schoolers and if you don't plan your moves a week ahead of the guppies, your picks will be plastered all over the front of CBS Sportsline.

Past USC WRs are the new black, with skills and potential like that you'd be nuts not to pounce.

I'll pass on TBs M-Will, his young QB problem is a giant red flag for me. No thanks.

MX-Dubya: 88-1250-15

DJ: 65-900-10 (Im a homer, I know, but you have to acknowledge the potential that's there. He was uncoverable in college)

TBM-Will: 60-800-3

I'd like to hear more of your predictions so I can run the other way. Dwayne Jarret and BMW combine for 25 TDs? Good luck with that one.

 

[rizzler]

ill put my expectation for MXW at about 6tds... i think his upside in the current seahawks system in about 9tds.

 

[ft_ball_fn]

someone on UTube is a FBG...

edited for grammar

 

[Otis]

I've seen multiple posters from the pro-X crowd acknowledge his risk.

They aren't acknowledging his risk in their projections tho. He has already exceeded my expectations for the year, by making the team. It'll be a fantastic story if he hits, and it'll be worth me eating my words on him to see such a great feel-good story.

Most of us absolutely are acknowledging the risk. He could absolutely flop like David Boston. But he also has ridiculous upside. That is the kind of guy I want to take later in a draft -- a flyer who has total bust potential but also potential to have a huge season and become a staple in my starting lineup. He's perfect. The coaches shipping out Housh is a HUGE vote of confidence in him, and further supports what some of us in here have been saying. I cant wait to see this unfold.

 

[Steed]

Tampa Mike!!

 

[massraider]

Tampa Mike!!

Both Mike Williams' have the same number of career TD catches.

 

[blake]

Seattle Mike was just released in my league.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Tampa Mike!!

Like Cris Carter - all he does is catch TDs.

 

[cubbie5150]

Tampa Mike!!

Like Cris Carter - all he does is catch TDs.

Yeah, catch totals for Tampa Mike are a bit disappointing, but I've watched most of the Buc's first 2 games, & Freeman looks for Mike A LOT, even if he doesn't end up getting the target. When Freeman's thumb is 100%, the Buc's passing game is gonna be interesting.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm goin' with prison mike.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Seattle Mike was game planned as a decoy this past week in my view... it felt like SEA specifically game planned Butler to be the main target or something... weird game... albeit lots of mistakes/turnovers by SEA, not sure what it all will mean for next week.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Tampa Mike!!

Like Cris Carter - all he does is catch TDs.

Yeah, catch totals for Tampa Mike are a bit disappointing, but I've watched most of the Buc's first 2 games, & Freeman looks for Mike A LOT, even if he doesn't end up getting the target. When Freeman's thumb is 100%, the Buc's passing game is gonna be interesting.

He could have had 3 TD's in the 1st game and 2 -3 in the 2nd if Freeman would have been just a tad more accurate. I'm a little worried he may start getting double teamed here shortly but Winslow will burn D's if that happens.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Seattle Mike was game planned as a decoy this past week in my view... it felt like SEA specifically game planned Butler to be the main target or something... weird game... albeit lots of mistakes/turnovers by SEA, not sure what it all will mean for next week.

I think the Sea & Denver WRs are going to cause quite a few headaches this season.

 

[Hooper31]

FYI

Hasselbeck said because of concerns with Mike Williams and how he would play with a thigh injury, the Seahawks offensively were looking to try and find other guys to step up and make plays, and they put in a couple plays for Tate.

Some tidbits

*Carroll said that Ben Hamilton has replaced Mike Gibson at left guard. Hamilton started the entire game against Denver.

* Linebacker Leroy Hill is wearing a boot and has a strained calf muscle.

* Carroll said rookie Russell Okung will begin running on land this week, and if all goes well, he could begin practicing next week. Okung has been out with a high-ankle sprain since the second preseason game on Aug. 21.



* WR Mike Williams did not play very much because of concerns with the thigh injury.

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[Kool-Aid Larry]

Offensive Personnel Groupings

The Seahawks ran 56 official offensive plays against the Denver Broncos on Sunday. Below is a breakdown of how the coaching staff used personnel groupings and each player’s individual snap counts.

“01” (0 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 1 play (pass)

“11” (1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 34 plays (23 passes, 11 runs)

“12” (1 RB, 2 WR, 2 TE) personnel was used on 5 plays (3 passes, 2 runs)

“21” (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE) personnel was used on 15 plays (9 passes, 6 runs)

“22” (2 RB, 1 WR. 2 TE) personnel was used on 1 play (run)

17 – Mike Williams – 37 of 56 (66.1%)

81 - Golden Tate 16 of 56 (28.6%)

83 – Deion Branch – 52 of 56 (92.9%)

87 – Ben Obomanu – 15 of 56 (26.8%)

http://sea.scout.com/2/1004142.html

 

[blake]

what is it on the FBG forums with these fools quoting themselves and straining their shoulders by patting themselves on the back? they deserve a 24 hour vacation for that crap.

 

[guavapure]

Due to a cluster at WR and a banged up BMW, TMW appeared to have been running away with it, but I give the edge here on out (in redraft) to BMW for the following reasons:

1) More consistent QB play. Sure Hasselbeck can look bad at times, but he's generally able to move the ball up and down the field and find his open receivers. I like Freeman's long term potential but in the short term (this year) I'll take Hasselbeck->BMW over Freeman->TMW every day of the week and twice on Sundays

2) Likely a better running game for Seattle, which should help equate to a better passing offense. Forsett looks better in a COP role and Lynch looked decent as the grind it out yard churner. Tampa RB situation is a mess with Cadillac looking like a beaten down Pinto, Huggins on IR, and Graham banged up.

3) Better coaching. I give Carroll and his coaching staff an edge over Morris and his guys. Just seems to be more polished which should lead to more success overall

Going into the season I had both BMW and TMW as end of bench fliers and had to drop one for a kicker. I dropped BMW and thought I was a genius. I have a waiver claim to drop TMW and pick up BMW and am hoping it gets filled. I know you all don't care about my team, just thought I'd offer my perspective on the two Mikes and who i think holds more redraft value going forward.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Disagree on points 1,2 and 3.

Due to a cluster at WR and a banged up BMW, TMW appeared to have been running away with it, but I give the edge here on out (in redraft) to BMW for the following reasons:1) More consistent QB play. Sure Hasselbeck can look bad at times, but he's generally able to move the ball up and down the field and find his open receivers. I like Freeman's long term potential but in the short term (this year) I'll take Hasselbeck->BMW over Freeman->TMW every day of the week and twice on Sundays2) Likely a better running game for Seattle, which should help equate to a better passing offense. Forsett looks better in a COP role and Lynch looked decent as the grind it out yard churner. Tampa RB situation is a mess with Cadillac looking like a beaten down Pinto, Huggins on IR, and Graham banged up. 3) Better coaching. I give Carroll and his coaching staff an edge over Morris and his guys. Just seems to be more polished which should lead to more success overallGoing into the season I had both BMW and TMW as end of bench fliers and had to drop one for a kicker. I dropped BMW and thought I was a genius. I have a waiver claim to drop TMW and pick up BMW and am hoping it gets filled. I know you all don't care about my team, just thought I'd offer my perspective on the two Mikes and who i think holds more redraft value going forward.

 

[guavapure]

Disagree on points 1,2 and 3.

Due to a cluster at WR and a banged up BMW, TMW appeared to have been running away with it, but I give the edge here on out (in redraft) to BMW for the following reasons:1) More consistent QB play. Sure Hasselbeck can look bad at times, but he's generally able to move the ball up and down the field and find his open receivers. I like Freeman's long term potential but in the short term (this year) I'll take Hasselbeck->BMW over Freeman->TMW every day of the week and twice on Sundays2) Likely a better running game for Seattle, which should help equate to a better passing offense. Forsett looks better in a COP role and Lynch looked decent as the grind it out yard churner. Tampa RB situation is a mess with Cadillac looking like a beaten down Pinto, Huggins on IR, and Graham banged up. 3) Better coaching. I give Carroll and his coaching staff an edge over Morris and his guys. Just seems to be more polished which should lead to more success overallGoing into the season I had both BMW and TMW as end of bench fliers and had to drop one for a kicker. I dropped BMW and thought I was a genius. I have a waiver claim to drop TMW and pick up BMW and am hoping it gets filled. I know you all don't care about my team, just thought I'd offer my perspective on the two Mikes and who i think holds more redraft value going forward.

nice

 

[blake]

Disagree on points 1,2 and 3.

i agree - i disagreed with all 3 of the points, and was stunned to read that he was actually willing to dump tampa mike williams for seattle mike. seems odd. tampa mike has been very good this year. and anyone who trusts pete carroll, i'm skeptical of. even if the alternative is raheem morris (yikes).

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

Disagree on points 1,2 and 3.

Due to a cluster at WR and a banged up BMW, TMW appeared to have been running away with it, but I give the edge here on out (in redraft) to BMW for the following reasons:1) More consistent QB play. Sure Hasselbeck can look bad at times, but he's generally able to move the ball up and down the field and find his open receivers. I like Freeman's long term potential but in the short term (this year) I'll take Hasselbeck->BMW over Freeman->TMW every day of the week and twice on Sundays2) Likely a better running game for Seattle, which should help equate to a better passing offense. Forsett looks better in a COP role and Lynch looked decent as the grind it out yard churner. Tampa RB situation is a mess with Cadillac looking like a beaten down Pinto, Huggins on IR, and Graham banged up. 3) Better coaching. I give Carroll and his coaching staff an edge over Morris and his guys. Just seems to be more polished which should lead to more success overallGoing into the season I had both BMW and TMW as end of bench fliers and had to drop one for a kicker. I dropped BMW and thought I was a genius. I have a waiver claim to drop TMW and pick up BMW and am hoping it gets filled. I know you all don't care about my team, just thought I'd offer my perspective on the two Mikes and who i think holds more redraft value going forward.

nice

Drop Tampa Mike? During the bye weeks? That doesn't seem smart. I wish the best for BMW, but geez he has one good start. Temper you expectations.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Drop Tampa Mike? During the bye weeks? That doesn't seem smart. I wish the best for BMW, but geez he has one good start. Temper you expectations.

While you bring up a good point that expectations should be held in check, saying it was "one good start" is dumbing it down quite a bit. You need to take the performance in context. We have a guy whose shoulder was banged up to begin the year, was part of a 4-way WR committee, the Seahawks have a bye and all of a sudden Williams is targeted 15 times coming off two weeks of rest? Considering the absence of Branch, hopefuly we can agree that there's some circumstantial evidence to suggest Williams might be gearing up for a helluva 2nd half run.Golden Tate NA 2 4 5 bye 2 13 8 115 0 Mike Williams 6 3 5 5 bye 15 34 21 261 0 Deion Branch* 3 7 6 2 bye - - - - - - - - - - - - 18 13 112 1 Deon Butler 1 8 2 5 bye 4 20 12 130 2 Benjamin Obomanu 1 2 0 0 bye 0 3 3 36 1 Brandon Stokley - - - 8 bye 3 11 7 79 0

 

[Jayrod]

Drop Tampa Mike? During the bye weeks? That doesn't seem smart. I wish the best for BMW, but geez he has one good start. Temper you expectations.

While you bring up a good point that expectations should be held in check, saying it was "one good start" is dumbing it down quite a bit. You need to take the performance in context. We have a guy whose shoulder was banged up to begin the year, was part of a 4-way WR committee, the Seahawks have a bye and all of a sudden Williams is targeted 15 times coming off two weeks of rest? Considering the absence of Branch, hopefuly we can agree that there's some circumstantial evidence to suggest Williams might be gearing up for a helluva 2nd half run.Golden Tate NA 2 4 5 bye 2 13 8 115 0 Mike Williams 6 3 5 5 bye 15 34 21 261 0 Deion Branch* 3 7 6 2 bye - - - - - - - - - - - - 18 13 112 1 Deon Butler 1 8 2 5 bye 4 20 12 130 2 Benjamin Obomanu 1 2 0 0 bye 0 3 3 36 1 Brandon Stokley - - - 8 bye 3 11 7 79 0

What the heck do these numbers mean?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Drop Tampa Mike? During the bye weeks? That doesn't seem smart. I wish the best for BMW, but geez he has one good start. Temper you expectations.

While you bring up a good point that expectations should be held in check, saying it was "one good start" is dumbing it down quite a bit. You need to take the performance in context. We have a guy whose shoulder was banged up to begin the year, was part of a 4-way WR committee, the Seahawks have a bye and all of a sudden Williams is targeted 15 times coming off two weeks of rest? Considering the absence of Branch, hopefuly we can agree that there's some circumstantial evidence to suggest Williams might be gearing up for a helluva 2nd half run.Golden Tate NA 2 4 5 bye 2 13 8 115 0 Mike Williams 6 3 5 5 bye 15 34 21 261 0 Deion Branch* 3 7 6 2 bye - - - - - - - - - - - - 18 13 112 1 Deon Butler 1 8 2 5 bye 4 20 12 130 2 Benjamin Obomanu 1 2 0 0 bye 0 3 3 36 1 Brandon Stokley - - - 8 bye 3 11 7 79 0

What the heck do these numbers mean?

Sorry, they got mashed together. Their weekly targets through 6 weeks, followed by total targets, total rec., total yards, total TDs.

 

[steelwind]

I expect both to perform well rest of the year. But TB Mike has a lead in this race due to the fact that he has won games and has caught 3 TDs already. The passing game completely flows through TB Mike and I believe Freeman right now is already a better QB than Hasselbeck.

 

[Steed]

Standard PPR

Mike X. = 123.4

Tampa Mike = 165.9